I just returned from my trip to Medellin on September 11th. Don't travel on September 11th, not a good idea.

I also want to say that I did not stay at the Mansion this trip because of some business meetings at my hotel. Having hookers run around the house isn't a good idea when I'm trying to start a business with reputable Medellin businessmen I met as a result of my affiliation with Kiwanis Club International.

This report is not going to be a mongerers report as there are plenty of reports about Massage Parlors, Casas, Clubs, and the Mansion/VIP's for everyone to read.

This trip, I did not pay one dime at any of these establishments. If you want to pay for a pro, I think Rio is the way to go. Lots of mongerers, but the sex quality for pros is WAY better in Rio.

However, I don't think Rio is the best place to go (hmmm, what am I getting at?).

I am all about the non-pro scene in Medellin. I am completely convinced the non-pro scene is the way to go in Medellin.

I want everyone to understand, this isn't an anti Mansion or anti VIP thread. Just if you want a non-pro, then don't stay at either of these places. The non-pro will catch on real quick if they don't know about it already. You won't get a non-pro if you take them back there.

To be most successful, try to stay at an apartment or an Aparthotel, you can find a list of them at http://www.colombialink.com/hotelescolombia/medellin/INDEX_MEDELLIN_HOTELES.html. Do whatever you can to not look like a sex tourist. You will be better off not staying at a big hotel either, since your girl will be treated like a hooker when they get her ID at the front desk.

A matter of fact, if you want to do a few pros to bust a nut, find a girl you like at the pro establishments and turn her into a non pro by inviting her out after her work. The sex quality will be much better and you are only out the price of dinner and a few drinks at a regular club.

There are several locations you need to go to:

1. Mangos

This place is covered in detail in other parts of CH, so I will only say this: It certainly is fun and there are plenty of girls that would love to meet you, just expect them to be from the richer parts of town and you'll have to work for them a bit. You are better meeting a girl and taking her here rather than finding a girl here. Just my opinion.

Also, some girls who can't afford to go in sometimes sit out front. You can pay there way but don't expect anything. They are not pros.

Order a bottle of "Ron" rather than by the drink, you'll save a bunch of money. Get a table and invite girls over for a drink.

Stay away from the guys from VIP or the Mansion because the rep is out on both of these places and the non-pros don't like it AT ALL. You will not get a non-pro to come back to either place more than once unless they have not been let in on the secret.

2. Palmitas

This place is great. Its in the Las Palmas area. There are plenty of women at this place, but there are some real dogs. You just have to sift through them to find a good looking girl.

The great thing about this place is that there are mostly couples and single women. I didn't see any single men there each time I went. So meeting them is easy to do.

The women are a little older here, perhaps late 20's up to 40's.

The music is a little odd because its more like a traditional Colombian music place rather than a dance club. But it really worked.

3. Circus

This place is for a little younger crowd, similar to Mangos in the sense that it is upscale. The nice thing is that there are not a bunch of Americans around 5 or 6 tables that try to treat the non-pros like pros.

We have not sullied our reputations there yet. Please lets keep it that way!

One word of advice, don't sit in the VIP area in the back. They only serve whisky and its $100 a bottle.

There are tons of girls here, not as many as Mangos, but just as hot!

4. Babylon

I like this place as much as Palmitas. There are plenty of girls at this place but you have to sift through them to find really good ones.

The really nice thing is that the drinks here are very reasonable. I got out of there for about $40 USD and we had probably 6 people with us.

5. Santallanas-Envigado

The only problem with this place is that you better have a ride home because finding a taxi here is almost impossible.

Drinks at this place are dirt cheap and I really like this place because its not one of the big locations. It attracts a real middle class crowd and the girls are beautiful but not stuck up like Circus or Mangos.

I'll try to get an address for you guys, this place is a real gem. I mean if you want to find a hottie that is also very nice and doesn't get to meet Americans much, go here. Really...do it.

6. Las Molinas Mall

Don't mess with Oviedo, its crawling with VIPites and Mansionites. The girls there see so many of us and even the girls in the stores recognize some of us by face.

The Las Molinas mall is in the middle of Belen. Its a large, brand new Mall, that has most of what Oviedo has but not the prices.

The nice thing is that they never see Americans. There were just as many hot women running around this mall than at Oviedo.

Believe it or not, Belen has Apartments and Casas that are in Estrato 5 and 6, just like Poblado. So you are not in the middle of a shithole, this is a nice place.

Strike up conversations with the sales girls. They are hot and would love a night at Parque Lleras or one of the clubs above. They almost never get out there.

7. Take the Metro

You have to get on the Metro. Take it from the beginning to the end. The Centro station (during the day!) is bustling with tons of hot girls. Go there, you won't be sorry.

8. Universities

I didn't do this but my friends did. The girls here are younger but they are available. The public university is better because its free so the girls are the ones without the money. My friends did better here.

My friends and I did all of these activities and had no problem with finding girls. We all got laid several times.

Sure you won't get the sheer numbers as paying a pro. But I think the thril is better and I know that the girls are really into the sex, unlike some street whore or the girls at the establishments above.

If you go the non-pro route, you'll most definately have repeats or even a full girlfriend for most of the trip. If you need to bust a nut right away, meet a pro after work, you won't have to work hard to do her for free later.

As many of you recall, I did this my last trip and it worked well. My situation is a little different because she essentially became my Novia in Medellin.

But thats another story.

(Message edited by sniper on September 13, 2006)

(Message edited by sniper on September 13, 2006)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The girls down there are poorer but they arent stupid.

Good stuff and keep it coming...

Thanks Sniper.

Are we drinking California wines in Medellin shortly ?

Very good job Sniper I didn't even know a few of those places existed I'll have to add them to my Medellin Guide.

Scooby

Sniper: Nice information here and very helpful. I do suggest a combination I do suggest a combination pro and non-pro tour. On my trips...I am usually making a bomber run. In and out. Three nights, four days. I simply do not have time to find a non-pro and wine and dine her. I can find lots of babes to date...but they are reluctant to go all the way with a stranger on the first date so you gotta have some pro action on the side. On my last few trips, I have been hanging out with a non-pro who has never worked. The sex is incredible, and she allows me to screw other chicas just for fun. Sometimes she helps me pick them out, and a few times she helped me screw them.

I did want to suggest one more spot to pick up real chicas. There are usually tons of outdoor concerts. Look for one and just show up. Find a group of chicas and strike up a conversation. I did that, and ended up dirty dancing with them before the night was over. I then took all three to dinner and we have stayed in touch. They were all cute...and all 19. Gringos are like rock stars down there. They all want to meet us. If you speak a little spanish, it helps a lot.

thanks again Sniper for good info here.

Working on the importing thing. I spent most of my time down there trying to get my apartment set up.

I am looking for a good English speaking employee down there who I think can sell.

I have everything I need from here in the US except a full time person down there.

Ok Sniper, please give us the lowdown on
1. how suave
2. what level of spanish speaking skill
3. how 'in-shape'
4. how much time in MDE
must one have of the above items to be successful in your challenge?

what age range would you say is the college girls limit?

is it your experienced impression that the paisas around el poblado think the gringos are hunting p4p girls or are you just suggesting a part of town where our success rate may go up b/c we all head down the hill to Oviedo? Both Lina and Luisa kept telling us to go to the other malls outside of Poblado.

One last thing....how much sense does it make for a gringo to think there is a chance to meet and keep a novia in Colombia?

Ticasonar,

1. Not really that suave but I do OK in the US, so probably about average.
2. I speak very little Spanish. Enough to get me around but not much else.
3. I work out 3 times a week, I'm 6'4" and weigh about 210. I am probably in better shape then most mongerers. I'm 40 and have blue eyes, this is really good for guys with blue eyes because it is very rare in Colombia.
4. I am in MDE one week each quarter. I just bought an apartment in Poblado.

I don't think Poblado is off limits, its just that in the Oviedo mall there are a bunch of us walking around trying to pick up on shop girls but virtually none of us out there trying the shop girls in Belen, who are more apt to have never gone out with a gringo.

A shop girl in Oviedo that is good looking, has gone out with a gringo before. Possibly has been at the Mansion, and the gringo is probably on this board.

By the way, one other place I forgot to mention is Bodytech Gym. This is the absolutely best gym for women. Much better than the one near the Mansion. When you go, get the week price of $80,000 rather than paying by the day. Its much cheaper.

I think if you go there often enough, I would get a novia. If you are a once a year guy, don't bother. But if you go every few months and don't mind MSN Messenger and phone calls a few times a week (yes a week!) you can do it very easily.

It is best that you stay within your abilities though. I see many guys that are fat slobs going after 20 year olds. If they don't want you here, they don't want you there!

These guys get suprised that the girl goes away when the money stops flowing.

So if you are 50 and have a gut and you want your novia to genuinely want to be with you, go for a girl in their 30's. Early 30's is fine since most Paisas are considered beyond their prime once they hit 30, eventhough they have 20 years left in them for looking good. You'll be 70 anyway, and if you want you can go to Loutron to get a 20 year old if you need them once and awhile.

Once my apartment is set up, I will probably be hosting a party for my friends on CH. I'll announce it when the time comes.

Bodytech is halfway betwen the Mansion and VIP. There is also one in Park lleras.Good gym, but expensiv. The daily rate is 36,000 COP.

Some nice hardbodies in there

Bodytech monthly rate is about 155,000 pesos, you pay for 3 months in one go, it comes down to about 130,000 pesos per month.

One think to note this will allow you access to ALL the Bodytechs in Colombia, don't know if it allows you access to the ones in Panama, I doubt it.

I liked it. I think if you are there longer you can get a membership for even less per month. The daily rate was outrageous.

But the girls were absolutely stunning.

I should reiterate that most of my time was spent with my Novia but both of my buddies met women at Bodytech that we partied with.

I was hoping for the 20 somethings. Man, it sucks to be a busted up old guy. I hope you young fuckers on here enjoy yourselves. What did Shaw say? youth is wasted on the young? Damn, AZ

20 somethings are nice because they have nice bodies, but they are lousy in bed.

30 somethings have figured out how to fuck and they still look great.

I'm 40, I don't even bother if the girl is anything less than 25 and thats young for me.

Just my 2 cents.

I would agree with that assessment. 25 to 30 is the sweet spot. Only problem is when they get past mid 30's they go down hill fast. Especially latinas. (gringas never looked good) Why is that? is it pumping the babies out, hard life?AZ

Ya, don't know how many girls I have mowed through in 2 trips but the sex with the young women is pretty pedestrian in Colombia.

Out of sheer luck, I did find one fuck monster, though and will be having a repeat performance soon.

Sniper.... Great report... definitely your input is one of the things that got me interested in MDE in the first place... Good luck...

Lets all make the agreement that we won't saturate this place with Rio type mongerers.

I would hate to ruin a good thing.

Mr. Sniper,

I love guys with common sense. You my friend have tons of it.

Sniper,
Thank you thank you for your off-the-beaten monger-path-report; very thorough and great info. My buddies and I will be
heading to MDE and Bogota this fall and we always like to chase non-pros. Nothing against the pros but once we are identified as mongers,
chasing local women became much more challenging.

We were in BOG
last Thanksgiving and focused on the non-pro haunts- Salto, Nazca, Club Colombia Restaurant, et al which worked well for us all week.
I realize it has been written about before but Spanish is helpful in Colombia with pros but essential with np's. Thanks again.
Scrubjay

Write a good non-pro report for Bogota when you get back, I'd love to read it.

I am not going to Monger in Medellin, no need.

Non pro sex is much better.

"Non pro sex is much better."

I agree with this statement so much, however, time is the thing that I dont have. As an individual who has a career, I only have so much vacation time and the reason why I go to these places is to screw as many women as possible.

If I had more time, then I would try my hand at the locals and utilize the old fashioned methods of picking up. However, cash is something that I do have and time is something I dont have.

So if put in such a position, I would have to opt for the pros, but if I had more time then I would probably try my hand at the non-pro crowd.

"20 somethings are nice because they have nice bodies, but they are lousy in bed."

"30 somethings have figured out how to fuck and they still look great."

As I have stated before in these endless chronicles. If I want someone to fix my pipe, then the plumber should come over. Do not send the apprentice.

Sniper,
Great report bro, I also agree about the non pro vs the pro point of view. I only do pros in Medellin because of the time constraints but I have found non pros in Cali, Bogota and Cartagena and don't need to P4P in those cities anymore. I will be heading to Colombia for a few days at the end of this month. I just got back from Rio and I have to say it really sucked. Luckily I have a non pro friend there and we had a great time hanging out. But I have to say the quality of women was horrid. Mostly 5's. Rio has gotten too expensive and overated. I wasted a total of 24 hours travelling there back and forth whereas I could have spent two more nights in Colombia. But the GFE was worth it. Anyway Sniper let me know when you are having your party in MDE and I will definitely make an attempt to be there.

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Sly,

I should be back from December 15th or so until the first week of January. I'll shoot you a PM when I have my dates confirmed.

Sorry to see that Rio sucked. We (Americans) have ruined that town. I have not been back since 2003. I had a great time in 2003 but I noticed that I no longer liked walking into Help Disco or hang out at the restaurants near there. I had to completely limit myself to Termas and the non-pro scene is basically non-existant unless you are there for the long term.

Pity, I loved the place when I lived there in the mid 90's. I used to pull Terma girls all of the time for after work free sex. No longer an option.

Ironeagle,

I would suggest you do both for a few trips. Then slowly migrate to non-pros. You will start to develop relationships that will mean tons of non pro sex. The pro scene is better during the afternoon anyway in MDE, so bust a nut during the day.

Let me tell you, the non-pros are better because they really want to have sex with you. If you are worried about time, then try to make an outside date with a pro. She will turn non-pro for you very quickly and you know she'll put out.

I used to monger when I was not self employed. It was difficult to have to look forward to those two or three weeks a year to be able to have real fun. So I understand that you need to do whatever to make the best of it.

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"It was difficult to have to look forward to those two or three weeks a year to be able to have real fun. So I understand that you need to do whatever to make the best of it."

I am lucky in that I get 4.5 weeks each year and at one point I will get 5.5 weeks.

I will take them free or for pay. Bring it on!

Gents,

To each their own. I did a combo of both P$P and free loving and now I stick to the P$P.

The bottom line is that I grew tired of having girlfriends in every country and don't have a need for one.

That's just me though. However, I would just like to state that non-pro love comes with it's own set of problems. After all we are talking about a loving caring human beings. I have seen mongers guise themselves as boyfriend material to non-pro girls and then watched the pain and sometimes mental suffering of the girls as they realize they had been played into giving up their virtue.

I know many will say they like to fuck as much as we do but for a girl who starts to fall for a guy it is way different. Just think of all the mongers who fall for whores and how they feel when they find out they have been played.

Just food for thought. Again there is no right or wrong situation here, just personal preference.


Cheers,


Cubanut

Cubanut, you sum up why I don't bother with relationships in Colombia.

I prefer non-pros as well, fortunetly most women in Colombia want money and will take it, so its easy to get non pros and just give them money.

I really go out with a girl more than a few times, even when I am paying, they are very clingy in Colombia and to many get upset when I move on, with just a few dates it they don't generally have time to get to clingy.

Cubanut

Sharp post. It's too bad that more people around here don't see past their own nuts. I have long stopped all pursuit of "non-pros".

Smitty,

Actually I've mongered for many years. My first trip being in 1991. I'm starting to get sick of the pro after pro.

I prefer having two or three regular girls that I juggle time with. They all know about each other.

So I'm not sure that I would fall into this category. However I know that there are many that treat all women like pros. That is a bad error on their part.

Good report ....Sniper. Medellin will be my next journey. I am looking forward to visit the city.


However, I will only be there for 7 days.
I am one of those Americans employed that only get the 2-4 week vacation.

What was your budget for your time?

I spend 1 week a quarter plus potentially 3 weeks during the Xmas season.

Mid next year, 1 week a month most likely.

At least that is the plan.

Sniper, you said the girls know about each other. I know they can get pretty jealous down there, so how do you pull that off? Also, you said you speak a little spanish. You must speech more than just a little spanish to be able to pull non-pros so easy. AZ

My Spanish is not good. When I say a little Spanish, I mean a little.

I should have been more clear, WHEN I go non pro I prefer 2 or 3 that know about each other. I have not done this in Medellin yet.

I basically have one now, but I have discussed with her about bringing others into the arrangement. It works in theory at least.

When I was in Rio, I did this fairly easily. But that was in the early 90's. Who knows what will fly now and in Colombia. I know a few people who do this successfully so I can imagine I can do it also..

Jealousy can be good if used properly. I like a mix of pros and non-pros. I make it clear to all that I will not be faithful, but I also make it clear that I will try not to embarass anyone and that I am discrete.

I have had the good fortune to have former novias bring amigas for me to get to know. I have even gotten lucky with some of these amigas.

My Spanish is far from fluent. But I do live in CTG about 7 or 8 months per year.

Oh, that is even better, they not only know about each other, they really "know" each other. Got it. Thats pretty smooth. I dont think I could pull that off.

We threw a little party in CTG with about 8 girls (I think). Even though we made it really, really clear we were all switching up from time to time, they paired themselves off with the guy they wanted for the night and that was it. The left over girls just hung out and drank. When there was a suggestion of anything different it was a big fucking problem. It seemed a lot different in Rio. I guess we need to work on that before next time. AZ

Festinas won't work in Colombia, they don't get the concept.

Tomtom, if you are there 7 or 8 months out of the year, do you have a Visa or is there another way to move in and out of the country for more than 180 days in the year?

I've really tried to figure this one out. One of my buddies indicated that all you have to do is leave the country for 24 hours and you would be able to come back for another 180 days. Somehow that seems too easy.

The attorney I talked with said its 180 days a calendar year.

AZ - the more people you have, the more difficult it becomes.

Sniper - I hold a Rentista VISA. Your lawyer is correct about the 180 days in a calendar year. If you leave the country for any length of time, all you get is a fresh tourist VISA stamp that allows probably 30 to 60 days before you must renew at DAS. The 180 days are not changed.

I've never heard of a Rentista visa. What is that?

The Rentista VISA is the easiest to get. All you need to show is an income of US$2000 per month or stock/cash assets of US$24,000. It is given for a one-year period and is renewable with updated financials.

I just received my third one.

A friend of mine got in quickly with a student visa, but another one is going through the process of a business visa. After 3 years, I am told that the business visa is easily converted to a 'regular visa'

Anyone have info on a pensionado visa in Colombia like they have in Panama? Sounds like a great deal. A friend of mine just got his for Panama. AZ

Tomtom just "lucky"?

It takes some skill too, mi amigo!

I'm assuming that you just put $24K USD in a Colombian bank and then you are set. Is that correct?

No, I keep my money in the US if at all possible.

My US bank wrote a letter to me stating the value of a certain account. I signed a statement certifying that the letter was the original. My signature was notarized. The notary was apostilled. Then everything was officially translated into Spanish.

You must do each of the above correctly.

See http://www.colombiaemb.org/opencms/opencms/consulates/visas.html for a discussion of VISAs. The Rentista is a TS(special) VISA.

There is a VISA in Colombia for people on pension, but it is not at all like the Panamanian VISA. The Panamanians actively try to attract US pensioners. They make the VISA and bank accounts easy to get. Colombia does not.

Yeah, I believe that is the amount you are supposed to have to start a business.

There is a difference in the monthly administrative costs between a LLC and an incorporation though

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The business thing is probably what I'll end up doing. I think its about $18K given the current exchange rate.

I really only spend about 1 week a quarter there now but thats going to be 12-15 weeks a year really soon. I can still do that on my passport.

Anyway, I like to keep my options open

Thanks guys.

Good report Sniper.

I am considering this Medellin trip for New Years. These tickets from Miami are $950 RT, this is a little more than I expected. I am using Expedia, Orbitz. I want to be in Medellin from Dec.28th to Jan.3rd.
Budget: Flight -$950;
Mansion - $275 (4 nights);
"Play/Activities" - $500 =====

Total -$1725 - $2000

Question to the vets....Is New Years in Medellin worth paying Xtra for flight or should I wait on this? Do you have any other recommendations?

I'd go over Thanksgiving (11/22-11/27) AA ...$410 RT

I can fly from SFO for the same amount when I go in mid December and stay for 3 weeks. So Miami to Medellin for $950 is very high.

I would either go earlier or later.

Although I hear that New Years is very good if you are into the non-pro scene. I'm not so sure about the pro scene. They may be home with their families.

Sniper, I will be in MDE from Dec 29 to Jan 20. Do you have any suggestions for new years eve? I was suprised, I thought the room rates would be higher at that time. I think I am at $42/night at Torre Pablado for a suite (hopefully it has the internet connection in the room they promised). Thanks, AZ

Azguy, not many tourists or conventions going on around Christmas/New Year, so room rates are at the standard price or cheaper.

Hunter

I had to pay a premium for Semana Santa this year at a water park resort near Parque de Aguas. It was jammed.

I'll be spending my first Christmas in Colombia this year, 12/15 to 1/15 in MDE. I haven't bought my plane tickets from CTG yet. Since I'm going the "wrong" way, I hope to get a reasonable price.

Hunter, you say not too many tourist, how slow is the action then? and SNiper says there is good non-pro action. Have you found that as well? AZ

Azguy, there are still plenty of girls pro, semi-pro, or non-pro, just less than normal as people will be on holidays outside Medellin.

I have not been there during xmas, but I too will be there on December 15th or so. Probably there until the first week of January. Still working out the details.

Hope to see you guys there.