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Hombre -

Would it be legal to allow the working girls worldwide to post their resumes, phone numbers, e-mail address, photos and asking rate somewhere within the ClubHombre world discussion regions where they live & work? You know, kind of like the Internet matchmaker services we see offered on-line for a subscription fee?

I'd be a hell of a lot more motivated to subscribe to ClubHombre if I could review resumes, names, phone numbers, e-mail addresses of girls in the country I am headed towards. Not just some naked pictures and the girl's made-up first name provided by some guy who scored with her.

When departing on a trip it would give me reassurance that I'd have a fall-back plan in the event I have trouble finding the right girl for the day/evening. Just a thought...you could also allow ClubHombre subscribers' provide a critique of their GFE performance good/bad. If the girl gets good reviews she'll get more business. If she gets poor reviews she'll quickly learn to work harder, be nicer, be more honest, or get out of the business, etc, etc.

Also, I would think most working girls abroad would love to advertise themselves in ClubHombre...more visibility = more business = more money for them. Also, should equal more subscriptions to ClubHombre to access this info.

I'd bet on one 2-week vacation in Panama I could get a dozen girls to post their resume and photo with ClubHombre...questionable whether they all would provide nude photos...but non-nudes can also stimulate the imagination/anticipation.

Also, if you do not charge these girls a fee to post their resumes, I bet you would get a lot of them. Their resume postings should require some sort of confirmation that they do work in the sex industry...i.e, name of club or massage parlor where they work.

Or, you could post them by personal reference of the ClubHombre member. The ClubHombre member would locate the girl, confirm she is who she says she is, then help her establish communications via e-mail with ClubHombre to post her advertisement.

If legal issues prevent this sort of sex industry advertisement, then perhaps only the name of the country and city, a photo, first name and an e-mail address of the lovely. However, the more info the better in my opinion. I'd want to know age, how many kids, does she carry a health card tracked by her govt, asking rate, what she will/will not do, her normal hours and where she works whether it is freelance, in a club, massage parlor or bordello, etc.

Just a thought to help make ClubHombre a better club.

Ciao,

AlecJamer

There are already a few web links to some of the providers out there.

I think that we could be opening up a can of worms if we let the providers out there post there own links.

It would only be a matter of time before some escort here in the states would do so, and that is agenst the Club Hombre bylaws.

To be honest...

I absolutely HATE the idea of any women having access to Clubhombre! I see this place as a meeting joint for men only, where we can be ourselves and talk about the SPORT of pussy hunting. This place epitomizes the male vs. female stereotype (men are good for money, women are good for sex). It's unadultered male chauvanism at its greatest!

Throw beavers into our little pond, and they'll just stink up the place...

Guys -

I'm not saying that we should grant the talent in the field access to this web-site where they can read everything we are saying. If they want to see everything they must subscribe (which is very unlikely)...technically they can do that now if they have a credit card, what's going to stop them?

Also, how do you know that women do not already subscribe to this service, or read/type over their boyfriends'/husbands'shoulder? Think about it. There may be a Dyke or two or more also mongering/competing for your chicas. Your pond may already be tainted...LOL.

Instead, I was thinking more along the lines of ClubHombre modify the site accordingly for members only to see pics and resumes of talent in country. By doings this ClubHombre would close the loop between what we are saying to each other and what we all are seeking.

I think it would not be too difficult to develop a simple system of checks and balances. Simply stated, if talent in country want to post on this site they must e-mail ClubHombre for its approval. ClubHombre would control the posting of the pic and resume and they should be able to legally disclaim any references to fee-for-sex. Also, US pros and pros from other countries where prostitution is illegal should be easily detected and omitted. For example: Panama's telephone country code is 507...prostitution is legal in Panama...if Panama talent requests that ClubHombre post her pic and resume with a 507 country code telephone number...logic should prevail. If the phone number or club address is in the US or UK, or any other country where prostitution is illegal...Hombre simply denies that particular posting request with one stroke of the delete key. Or, if the talent meets the legal criteria to be posted, but she is very ugly, very old looking, or very young looking...ClubHombre must use its best discretion. For the very young looking, ClubHombre could request an affidavit or other proof of age...or request that the pic be fully clothed and the resume make no reference to fee-for-sex...Or, ClubHombre simply delete the request and move on...ClubHombre would have no obligations to post the pic and resume.

Also, ClubHombre can limit its legal liability by attaching a disclaimer that basically says ClubHombre cannot guarantee that the posted talent is a good whore (proper legal-ease would prevail). However, as subscribing ClubHombre members check out the talent, they can post a report card validating the chica's performance/attitude with a recommend or non-recommend. The good whores would likely stay posted, and since these chicas are not paying to be posted...they have no contract with ClubHombre...again, ClubHombre has no obligation...ClubHombre can give them the boot if they turn-out to be a bad (not good) whore if one or several paying club members give her a poor report (ClubHombre would ultimately make that decision).

I'm just brainstorming here...but I think that if on-line international dating and matchmaking services can legally post a picture of a willing young woman with means for men to contact her for a date, why can't ClubHombre?

Hey you International Law experts...I know you are out there...what do you think? Can this be done and still protect the legal interests of ClubHombre? Perhaps if the pics minimally require a bathing suit and the resume makes no reference to fee-for-sex...that would pass the legal litmus test to appease the hardliners out there?

An optimist with solutions gets laid more often. Be an optimist!

Thanks.

AlecJamer

I don't know about the other guys but I haven't exactly run across a lot of prostitutes that had resumes. The ones I have met wouldn't know what one was if you shoved it in their coose.

AlecJamer wisely wrote: "An optimist with solutions gets laid more often. Be an optimist!"

Well, I'm optimistic that I'll thoroughly enjoy myself as I get lost for three weeks while backpacking between Thailand and Cambodia next month...

Seriously, I think the idea *could* be feasible. But it sounds like a lot of work for the administrator of this board.

This is a pretty bad idea from a legal standpoint. As is, we're just a bunch of guys posting pics and talking about stuff. If Hombre starts posting ads, then he's facilitating prostitution per se, and will be fucked.

Aldaron - Prostitutes with resumes are called Escorts

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AlecJammer:

It's a nice thought but, as others have noted, fraught with pitfalls. First there's the legal - Hombre crosses teh line into a WHOEL other territory by having any advertising, free or otherwise. Second, there's the whole "clubby" feel of this site - it goes out the window if we are going to open it to the providers. Third, most of these girls don't have two neurons to rub together (at least not when it comes to web advertising) so what's the point. Lastly, for those girls who do know what tehy are doing, they'll be posting fake info, pics, prices, etc anyway.

Let's just leave things teh way tehy are - us guys comment on great lays we've ahd and where to find them, end of story.

BS

Alecjamer, you've brought up some great ideas. We'll unlikely be unable to do something exactly like you've originally laid out, but that kind of initiative in suggesting improvements and the brainstorming that follows is always helpful.

Regarding the legal standpoint, we intend to remain a forum where guests and members share information. As others mentioned, we won't be seeking advertising from providers. However, we can be a place where any guest can post announcements or notices which can include most if not all of the types of information you've brought up.

Most of the points brought up here are valid. Promoting access to the site to providers would likely be a negative thing for both legal reasons and the effect it would have on the members. Some of the of the greatest challenges of interactive escort sites are excessive ass-kissing and reliability of information as a result. I know this wasn't part of your idea, but since others brought this up I thought I'd address it to confirm that we don't intend to do that.

Guzybear brings up an important point regarding work and time consumption. The setup and activity level of the ClubHombre site requires a lot of maintenance, so we often get overloaded with work as it is. It's often difficult to get new projects completed, especially ones that could be as big as this.

We actually already have a project underway which would likely suit your needs well. The good news is that it's about 50% completed. The bad news is it's been that way for many months now and is on a list with a LOT of other items. It WILL be finished, but we don't have a timeframe available.

If you are willing to help us with getting something started with Panama, I'd say go for it. You could collect names and contact information and possibly photos, that should be sufficient.

As for describing ClubHombre, you might mention that it's a targeted site for single male travelers. You might also emphasize that it's a subcription-based site, which limits the viewership to a targeted group as opposed to the general population and anyone that gets the URL. Membership is limited to paying members and/or those that can establish an active and continued interest in international sex. This clarification may help in gathering more photos.

I wouldn't have my expectations too high in having many members gather this specific type of information. The majority of the members here, active posters at least, tend to prefer the bar/club/brothel scene where you are provided a selection and can often use your judgement beforehand to sense how a session might turn out. I believe the escort scene is often more targeted to those willing to pay higher prices and travelers that do NOT participate on these kinds of sites. But like you stated, a backup plan is always helpful, so having the information here would be an asset.

Any assistance you or others can provide on gathering escort information would be appreciated. Keep the ideas coming and look forward to the eventual release of a new feature related to what you've described.

I personally think expanding the role of Club Hombre in allowing "worldwide" escorts/agencies to add links in IMHO a bad idea. Here's why:

Keep CH low profile. Whenever you own and operate a site that is "out of the norm" of accepted social behavior you are a target for those with an agenda.

Expanding to include numerous links reciprocal or not just adds attention to the site. With this new attention may come unwanted attention.

This unwanted attention come in the form of attention of law enforcement variety.

I's no secret that LE looks at boards like this. As this board does not facilitate illegal activities in "this" country, LE should only be interested if it perceived a prosecutable crime has taken place. We also know that the current administration has greatly expanded criminal prosecutions of US citizens for activities that take place outside of the U.S.

Add these too elements together and you have a possibility of greatly increased surveillance of this site looking for possible illegal activities. Thjis is unlikely unless a possible scenario unfolds:

Suppose that one of the "worldwide escorts" purveyed underage sex or at one time purveyed or solicited underage sex to potential clients. Having a link to this site would be short of catastrophic. Remeber CH has not control over, and cannot control any content outside the site. And laws outside this country in dealing with certain activities may not be monitored at all by the foreign country's LE.

Advertising to CH would put CH in jeopardy of facilitating a sex offense that the current Bush administration has indicated is high on the list to be prosecuted. If someone in another country provides a service that is illegal in this country, it may be prosecuted if it is offered to citizens of this country. And sometime it is easier to go after the clients than the providers. And as we all know it is real east to go after ISP's and web site's. especially if they are hosted in the US.

It is my belief that TJH will someday be handed a subpoena to turn over all the ip addresses and all possible information on individuals who accessed/or a member of this site. In fact under the new "patriot acts" this may not even be needed Hopefully the ip logs are erased daily so that our identities may remain confidential or extremely difficult to discover.

I for one would hope to keep it that way. That is why TJH must keep a tight reign on what and who accesses this board and what is put in as content or even advertising.


OG

"Some of the greatest challenges of interactive escort sites are excessive ass-kissing and reliability of information as a result."

I could not agree more. Keep the women out.

TER was a great reliable site in the beginning but now it is fraught with constant wimpy guys ass kissing the girls and posting bullshit reviews. Even the girls post many bullshit reviews posing as a monger. The board is now a joke to me.

I personally know girls who are very unattarctive who get nothing but "10" for model looks. Just a flat outright lie.

Also I know a guy personally who has many reviews posted of girls he has never done and no way has the money to do so many girls.

In conclusion I say keep this a guys only board with no advertising directly from the girls.

Last thing I want to see is five hundred posts from the Tj escorts trying to drum up business.
Let them continue to degrade TER but let's keep CH the top world review site that it is.

Hombre, I hope you aren't capturing IP addresses. That would leave you vulnerable to lawsuit requesting identities like the RIAA is currently doing.

By the way... RIAA.......

Great feedback guys. I can understand your concern for your protection as well as ClubHombre.

I've got another suggestion:

I suggest ClubHombre erase our IP addresses daily, just in case someone is hell bent on tracking us down. Also anything else that ClubHombre can do to keep our identities anonymous would be greatly appreciated.

Although, if the law is after me that would give me the excuse to retire sooner and move to Panama.

Anyone interested in becoming a partner running a deep sea fishing charter business in Panama? Think about it...us, our clients and an multi-chica crew. When the client wants to fish, we fish. When he wants to screw we provide him with the best looking whores he's ever seen.

I always wanted to be a pimp fisherman.

What do you suppose I can name my boat?

Ciao,

AlecJamer