Truths and Myths about Photos and Ratings

The subject of photo ratings comes up a lot as a topic, usually as some kind of negative reference to why a particular photo or certain types of photos are receiving lower ratings. I've created this topic in an attempt to dispel some of the common misconceptions regarding the hows and whys of the rating system. HombreJr and I will be linking to this topic when we see the topic come up. We encourage others to do so as well to promote better understanding and minimize the perpetuation of some of the myths outlined below.

This document is based on a number of factors: My review of rating patterns (including tracking of low ratings), discussions with a number of Hombres, and experience and interest in the fields of Psychology, Sociology, and Statistics.

As a brief overview, it should be noted that the Photo Ratings are for entertainment purposes only. They do not accurately reflect a consensus of the opinions of Hombres.

A. The members of Club Hombre think that the subject of photo "A" deserves a "Y" rating.
Myth: Most photos rarely get more than 100 votes. The "Y" number is the average of less than 5% of members eligible to vote on photos.

B. The "X" Hombres do not like the "Y" Hombres, so they intentionally give "X" Hombres low ratings.
Myth: While there is definitely likeliness of this happening, the log of low ratings doesn't establish this as a pattern. The Hombres most often giving low ratings come from all areas, there is no evidence of a higher number of Asia fans and South America fans giving each other low ratings which comments often suggest. It is more likely these groups give each other lower ratings now than before, but only because of repeated repeating and perpetuation of the myth.

C. The ratings are more or less accurate in the long run because they average out over time.
Myth: There are many factors that take away from the accuracy of the ratings for comparison purposes. Every one of these would be significant by itself, so the combination of these factors just makes the ratings less useful for comparison purposes. The factors are: 1) A varying pool of voters, 2) A varying time period, 3) A downward trend in rankings over time, 4) Loose and highly subjective application of rating standards among voters, 5) Outlyer votes that bring the averages down, etc...

D. The photos that are currently the highest ranked for all time will likely remain the same.
Truth: As suggested above, there has been a downward trend in rankings. The currently highest rated photos are mostly from a period of time when photo rankings were higher and outlying low votes were less frequent. They now have enough votes to be minimally affected by new low outlyers. Newer photos have a higher incidence of the low outlyers, so unseating the current "Top 10" is highly unlikely except for brief periods of time when great new photos don't have enough low outlyers to be brought back down.

E. The photo ratings are useless
Myth: Primarily, many of the voters have fun voting on the photos. That by itself would be useful enough to keep the rating system around. If you understand how the statistics and flaws of the rating system, you can apply that knowledge to extract more useful information by altering the search criteria of the rankings. For example, you can 1) Run a gallery search on a reporter to see which of his photos tend to be preferred among voting members. 2) Run rating searches on two different destinations to see how the highest rated photos compare, etc...

F. Prostitutes from country "X" must be ugly based on the photos submitted here.
Myth: Photos submitted are a tiny fraction of what's available out there. On top of that, there are many factors which affect how photos turn out such as skin tone, lighting, camera quality, and photographer experience. One of the most prominent examples regards photos of Asians who often use lots of lightening makeup because of a cultural status symbol of lighter skin. This makeup looks fine in person or diffused light, but can look terrible in direct line which is often the case with camera flash.

G. Brazil pictures get rated higher because the guys from Brazil all know them
Myth: There is certainly some truth that a few people may give higher ratings for this or a related reason. However, there are three other reasons that are much more statistically significant with a much stronger correlation and other reasons that are more speculative, but still have a greater correlation. 1) There's the factor of sheer volume of photos. Brazil photos greatly outnumber the photos for any other country or city, 3710 at the time of this writing with Thailand at a distant second of 1760. WIth the greater number of photos, you are more likely to see the few that rise to the top with the higher ratings. 2) Even more significantly, is incidence of nudes. Brazil nudes are very common. By contrast, Thailand nudes are very infrequent. Across all cities and countries, nudes take up most of the highest rankings. 3) According to one of the first polls conducted, Hombres prefer Latinas over Asians by over 3 to 1, or 60% to 19%. Since Brazil has the greatest number and percentage of nudes by far and three times as many Hombres prefer Latinas over Asians, it makes mathematical sense that Brazil would have the highest averages. Other reasons are more speculative as they relate more specifically to physical characteristics and how they are captured on film, such as makeup and body types, but they are still more significant. Despite these vast differences, we're still only only talking about a difference of less than 1 percentage point when comparing the top ten of Brazil to the top ten of Thailand. Brazil's range 8.3-8.2. Thailand's range 8.0-7.6.

H. You can determine why people vote the way they do based on posted comments.
Myth: Because voting is both easy and anonymous, there is much more participation. While posters often vote, they are vastly outnumbered by voters who never post. Since these are therefore different groups, it would likely be flawed to try to explain the actions of one by the comments of another. We could probably get a more accurate picture by an anonymous survey, but it's really not that important. The closest we have, however, are anonymous polls which should and do give a better idea of which types get higher vote averages.

I'll likely update this as other points come to mind.

Summary: Just have fun with the photo ratings and don't take offense if a photo you submitted or like receives lower ratings than you would think or expect. Most of us appreciate all the photos that are submitted, even those that sometimes joke and jibe about the quality of certain photographs, eg. photos of the weight-challenged (not to name anyone, Masterbates). That's the Truth.

One factor that I believe is true relates only to Brazilian pics. I have had some of my friends look at the pics of the Brazilian girls and many of the girls deserve the high ratings they get because, quite frankly, Brazilian girls are tops in beauty in the world. The problem lies in that I will show them pics of girls with blacked out faces , dont show their faces or are haggard old broads with worn out bodies and flat chests. When they see that some of these girls are in the 7/8 range...they start laughing. What may be the reason for this?
1. There are a small pool of garotas in the Termas and Discos and many of the Brazil guys have all shared the same girls and are voting based on the girls past performance rather than looks. The same girls keep getting put back into the picture pool and it's not uncommon to have 4 or 5 guys comment on their experience with the girl in the picture....this rarely happens in THailand because the pool of women is huge and there are few repeats.

2. Many of the Brazil guys know each other and want to give high ratings to their buddies as a gesture of kindness, regardless of how hot the girl is. This is highly debatable though.

3. Guys that like Brazil girls are Brazil mongers to the core and like just about any Brazilian girl and will always find somthing beautiful in all Brazil girls and maybe other latinas. These guys sometimes despise the looks of Asian girls whereas most guys who like Asian girls also like latinas and dont give them low ratings. My lowest ratings have been with Mexican and FIlipina girls who just dont Photograph well. I could care less where the girl is from...hot is hot.

4. This one will cause controversy. This site is split demographicaly between Asian and Non-Asian mongers. The grass is always greener on the other side. Many of the Asian mongers swear by Brazil and other latin countries, whereas, the non-Asian guys like Asian girls because the Asian girls seem exotic to us....these girls may be commonplace to Asian guys who may have grown up with girls or have wives that look just like the girls we revere and lust after.

Just one remark.

Assuming that the voter's objective is to make the score as close as possible to his own assessment of the picture, and if many votes have already been cast resulting in the current score, the following voting strategy would follow from the assumption:

1. If your assessment of the picture is higher than the current score, vote 10.

2. If your assessment of the picture is lower than the current score, vote 1.

Disclaimer: Do not try this at home

How interesting that people are having issues with the photo ranking. There are so many variable in play that, well, why bother? Just score as you wish...

I agree with Hombres point that over time people would get more picky or stingy with their rankings...that should not come as surprise...you see more, sample more, taste develops etc.

When I rank a picture I look at a lot of things: booty, tits, face, level of nakedness, cuteness, composition of the picture, clarity, pose... For instance, I can be looking at a Brazilian or Cuban hottie with a bod to die for and a pretty face and give her an 8 and then look at an asian cuttie that has a slender body and Bs at the most but has a very lovely face/smile and also give her an 8. It all depends on the context.

Guys...just chill and relax. I think it could be cool to examine a particular Hombre's ranking. Maybe I will find out that I like the way Sampson or Don Gringo or Blazers or Porker ranks pictures and then when I search I will search based on their rankings.

Hey...everybody is got their own taste...which is a good thing that way we do not have to fight over the same girl type all the time!

I want to go on record as saying that I never want to see a photo with DonGringo's nuts and/or dick again.

Just added letter identifiers to the points and added point G.

Blazers, I appreciate your input on the subject, but I must respectfully disagree with your conclusions.

All four of your points are very speculative in that they are based on what's going inside of the heads of the "Brazil" Hombres, yet from my understanding, you are coming to these conclusions based on comments posted on site and average rankings of the photos themselves. I disagree because I communicate with fans from all areas somewhat regularly, plus I can view the log of low rankings which is the most telling part of how the photos average out. More photos, more nudes, and the preferences as shown by over 550 people in the Ethnic Preference poll better explain the higher Brazil ratings. This is detailed in point "G" that I added in the first post.

Your Point 4 I'll have to especially disagree with. I know the ethnic backgrounds of most of the Brazil Hombres you are familiar with, and less than 20% are Asian. According to the Racial Identification poll, Caucasian Hombres outnumber Asian Hombres here by over 4 to 1, 62% to 14%. While there might seem to be more Asian Hombres because of where you live, you must remember that the makeup of Hombres is worldwide, and Asians are much less common in other parts of the United States where many of the Brazil Hombres come from.

Concarne, not only do people get more critical in their own rankings, but the nature of ranking itself appeals more to the photo critics that enjoy giving low rankings. Only HombreJr and I can view the low ranking log, but it's very telling. You can see patterns of who gives low rankings and pretty much figure out that some of these people just enjoy giving 1's and 2's. Very few of these people post regularly at all on the site, but they likely have a significant effect on the rankings. That's why I stated you can't really accurately determine the averages based on comments since the posters and low rankers are for the most part very different groups.

Your Ranking by Hombre idea has actually been on the to do list for a while. (optional, if the Hombre enables it) I have lots of other things to work on that are greater priority, so I haven't gotten around to it.

Also added point H.

Catocony now I am all excited! I gotta check out some of his pics

I enjoy pics from all countries and Blazers Colombia has the best looking ladies in the world

Enjoy the pics guys
Milkman

Asian girls tend to be more 'modest' and 'shy'.
Latina girls tend to be more 'look at me' and 'aren't I sexy as hell'.
So deal with it.
That's why the top 10 photos on this site contain more latinas than Asians.
I've been to HK and the PH, and the rest of the latin world too. Gimme that latina lovin for smokin hot sex, but when it's time to settle down? Gimme an asian girl to come home to.

That's the stuff you WON'T see in the ratings.

Well, at least judging from the guys I've met both in Mexico and Brasil, there are lot more asian mongers in TJ than in Brasil, not just in numbers but percentage too.

Now, this will cause some bitching I'm sure, but this is the main difference I've seen between Brasil mongers and Mexico mongers - Brasil mongers have quite a bit more wealth, and tend to all be professionals. Right off the top of my head, out of the 20 or so guys I've hung out with in Brasil, the resumes include: 3 lawyers, 1 psychiatrist, a couple of investment bankers, a very drunk restaurant owner, some engineers, some retired military officers and some small business owners. Plus an internet pornographer!

Now, what does this mean? Well, it's a kind of birds-of-a-feather thing. I've met a wide variety of mongers in Mexico, from truck drivers to waiters to unemployed guys to techies to doctors. Bottom line, Brasil mongers tend to be quite similar - relatively well off and in a position to both afford the money and the time it takes to go down to Brasil for a week or two three to six times a year. Mexico has a lot of daytrippers and there is thus a very wide cross section of people who make up the Mexico monger community.

While this isn't to say that Brasil hobbyists all think alike - some guys prefer mullatas or negras, some stick to white garotas, others fuck anything and everything, some only do termas, some pick girls up on the beach and street - the results are going to be much more tight with Brasil guys than with Mexico guys.

Here is my bottom line...post more pics!!!

I could not care whether they get a low or hi ranking I like looking at them either way.

I must admit I have given my share of 1s and 2s, and few 8 and 9 (not a 10 yet) but to my recollection I have been fairly oblivious as to the ethnic background of the babe.

I do also admit to an unpredilection for fat and ugly babes but that does not mean they will get the 1 or 2 automatically if they show "presence", a cool pose or a good face and/or smile.

Post!! Post some more!!

What a fascinating discussion, I always wanted to do a PHD, but could never find a subject I would like to work with, this one could be interesting!

Anyway for my two pennies worth, sorry two cents, there is one very big difference when viewing and rating the photos, other than the factors mentioned above and that is does one judge the girl or the photo?

I usually vote for the girl based on figure, face etc Just like a group of lads might in a bar or disco.

Other photos may be great, for instance a view of a gorgeous ass, but you cannot judge the girl because you only see part of her. Others may be of a less good looking girl but the photo may be very sexy because of the pose. This is what I mean by judging based on the photo.

Depending on which way you vote can affect the ratings.

My own circumstances are interesting. I hobby in the Far East and Europe, but never have been to Central or Southern America, yet if I were to say which girls generally where my favorite, it would be Latinas every time. I tend only to vote on the pictures I like best and those do not come from any particular region, just on the photo itself.

Well, I was a full member a few years ago but haven't had access for awhile now. I just spent the last few days devouring most of the photos and rated a few. My main criteria for ratings is: Do these photos make me want to make a trip that location to fuck that/those chicas? Brazil (with Cuba a close 2nd) has really turned my head. Now, that said, I want to profess that I have always had a thing for "beautiful" asians...just not the too-skinny, barely legal-looking ones that seem to be a large part of the galleries here. Oh, there's been a few stunners but definitely not in the numbers that the Brazil gallaries show. I also think the debate has it's steam in that (as reported in nauseum) NOTHING compares to the service(tude) & price these asian babes come with BUT that doesn't "develop" in the photos.

No, these are "my" opinions and, more importantly, my tastes. This is exactly why they make chocolate & vanilla (and strawberry, butterscotch, pecan, cookie dough, & fudge ripple!).

I think the Latina guys dont like the Asian girls just as you described TJ.....they like girls with full figures...not fat but not necessarily thin either and latinas are not petitite girls by any means.

Latina girls have those phat asses we all like.

My best friend is married to a filipina. She is about as sexy as Catacony. In fact, demure isn't a strong enough adjective. I asked him once had he ever seen her naked with the lights on. She is a cute girl, just looks like a...... well.... little girl. All 4'11" 80 lbs of her. He tells me that most girls are in the 5 ft. 100 lb range over there. If I ever want to fuck a 10 year old girl, I'll keep that in mind.

Wow! A new topic to talk about.

Something you will never get in a picture and that is the "motion" of the person. That sounds obvious but most pictures on this board just don't give anything more than a very cursory moment. We all know that watching these women move and interacting with them is what really raises or lowers the temperature. I've been to enough places by now to be baffled as to why so many pictures just don't convey the actual physical beauty and impact that many of these women have. It's given me a appreciation for the quality work that professional photographers do. Somehow they manage to get just the right poise, the correct lighting, the clothing, the makeup, and the sets to create a picture that draws you in. All the rest of us can do is to actually visit the different countries and see for ourselves. And no one who visits Rio, AC, the DR, or even TJ (on a good night) is going to come hope empty eyed.

Well
As long as they are pretty I could care less what race a girls is. From Asian to Brasilian to Mexican i love them all
Well except for the white ones
Keep up the good work guys I look forward to seeing more pics !

take care
Milk

I got a picture of my finger shoved in a Thai girls asshole this time that I believe would be very highly rated but I don't think I can be posted here due to the no penetration policy. I will never have a highly rated photo.

I can only recall giving one 1....to a chica of dubious gender....and very few 2s or 3s....I don't believe I've ever awarded a ten.

I recall a statement....sticks in my mind it was attributed to DGringo?.....that a 10 is an 8 with a rich daddy. Definitly the make-up, clothes and attitude have a lot to do with making an 8 into a 10. There is already discussion of the difficulty of showing personality in a photo.


I have a few notions about the way photos get rated...
I'd be curious to see if a photo that is first viewed from a trip report link gets a different rating than one first viewed from the homebase "photos added" link. Can you track this Hombre??

**Sometimes people see what they expect to see.**

As such, a guy who has consistently posted good pics will get a higher rating on even his poorer pics. Sandman and Godfather and a few others have very good taste in women, and aren't afraid to show that to us....therefore when we click on one of their pics, we go in expecting to see something unusually fine....I can't imagine it doesn't influence the rating.
(If I'm on a slow connection, I don't even bother with Mr. Porker's pics)

Also, it seems that a photo first posted on a Saturday gets a different rating than one first posted on, say, a Wednesday. I suspect this board has guys that only show up on the weekends, and others that only view from work, and there may be a difference to the way the two groups tend to vote.

To compound this, I think there is a "Me Too" trend to the voting, such that a pic already showing a particular rating tends to draw more scores in the same range.

I have a suggestion to limit this effect.
****Don't show the rating until after the viewer has voted****

Just a thought.

Some great point Ejack.... I never really took into consideration the reputation of the poster but it is a huge factor in expectations. I agree that people like Godfather, MitchC and Athos have a rep for having very pretty SA girls and deserve the high score they get BUT the 8.7's and 9's lately for the SA pics are preposterous. A couple of these pics have hotties but they wouldn't even rank in the top 50 best looking SA girls on this sight yet people are throwing out 10 scores like candy.....for the girl to be ranked in the top 10 of all time, she should be damn near perfect(Adriana comes to mind).

I'll give you a small pass because you called me Mr., but I would like to point out that upon clicking on YOUR profile, I found a whopping ZERO photos. It's not easy to suffer potshots from the peanut gallery when they apparently know DICK ALL about finding, fucking and foto-ing. And from you're comments, you'd think I was Asia's version of Master Bates or something.

And keeping Master B. in mind, I would imagine there is a goodly percentage of mongers on this site that are Mexico only types, the vast majority TJ guys. And I KNOW what is available in TJ and most of Mexico, and it can't hold a candle to even the WORST of what I have seen in Asia. Some PI girls that all of you, in your INFINITE wisdom rate a 4, would be a 9 in Chicago Club, and at 1/5 the price.

Personally I don't much care how the ratings are of my pics, I post them to let all of you know what a good time I had and pics definitely help. I do kind of wonder sometimes why ratings are what they are and there is definitely a Brazil/C.America bias on this board, but what can I do about that? Bitch and complain, sure, but THEN WHAT?

All in all, I'm all for what someone already said here: POST MORE PICS!!! Good, Bad, UGLY, I don't care!!! For all the 'critics' out there, let's see what YOU'RE dipping the wick in, OKEY?

Mr. Porker,

I agree with you. Some of our photographers are getting too bent out of shape over what they perceive as a conspiracy or an insult over low ratings.

Everyone is entitled to their own judgment over beauty. I've been with guys who've barfined some of the ugliest women that I've ever seen in LoS, but they thought they were beautiful. Likewise, they thought the women who I barfined were ugly or plain; and I thought they were babes.

One other thing. . .you normally spend time with the woman that you photograph. During that time, you get to know her and her personality. A charming personality adds alot to a woman's physical beauty; but it can't be captured by a camera.

Overall, in my opinion, I think the photo ratings have been fair and accurate.

yeah, I think the ratings are fair and accurate as well! lol

Is it just me, or do the rest of you notice Porker's attitude goes slightly downhill the longer he is awyay from SEA? lol Don't sweat it buddy, it's going on 5 fucking fuckless months and I still have 5 fucking fuckless weeks left! You all should see the size of my right arm now. I'll have to change my handle if I miss this next trip to bigballsabouttoburst.

35 days...
Bud

Well Porker, as I see it the value of this board is dependent on the accuracy of the posters....

I have been told that some guys hold out on their best pics....I'm sure other guys are doing girls that they're embarrassed to show us. Maybe it balances out?? (More likely leaves us with unrepresentative numbers in the mid-range.)

As such, I appreciate that you seem to show all...the good and the bad.
I just spent a bit of time and went through all your photos, and checked to see what kind of scores I had given them...(discovered that I hadn't scored most of them)
btw, quite a few are gone, and I found a couple that don't show up in your PAD list...."Mitch and Sis" for example.

You might be surprised to know that I had actually given some sevens and gave a couple more, but that's not the point.

Different guys have different tastes.
I have five friends that I've known long enough and well enough that when I see a particular girl I know which of these friends she might appeal to.
I could go into specifics, but here are the basics.
R****** likes muscular legs and despises fake boobs. (and his wife has a boob job)
R** likes girls with too much make-up for my taste, girls that are too artificial. He's an ass man.
B*** likes a girl with baby fat and maybe a little more...he's definitely a boob guy. Tolerates a big ass.
M***'s ideal is Jennifer Anniston.
J** has an asian fetish, and doesn't seem to mind (or even notice) a bit of fat on the stomach or thighs.

To each his own...I'm an ass and legs guy.
I go for spinners and long legged girls, hate any fat. I don't need large breasts, but what's there I want to be firm or full. A hardened face turns me off, as does cellulite or stretch marks...I can be damn picky.

So you can see that our tastes aren't the same....don't take it personally. I rate pics based on MY response to THAT specific picture.

The reason I used you for an example is that you are a rather prolific poster who's taste differs from my own.
I tend not to spend much time looking at the TJ pics even on a cable connection. TJ hookers don't compare well with the typical young girl of mexican descent running around central Washington. Money matters I guess.

As for peanut gallery...whatever.
I don't need to be in the NFL to know when the receiver should have caught the ball.
I don't need to be on stage myself to be able to hear when the singer is off pitch or when the drummer is missing the beat.

As for pics of my own, I'm still rather new to the hobby and am recently financially challenged.
When I have pics I deem appropriate you'll get to see them. Okay buddy??

In the mean time keep posting your pics, whether I admire them or not. That's what gives this board its value.

eJ

Mr. Porker:
Maybe if you took a trip to Rio, you'd chill out and also get some good pictures to post. Just kidding!
LAguy (just back from BKK and soon on my way to Brazil)

My methodology:

I rank the pose higher than the chica's attributes. A photo of a great looking chica walking down the street fully clothed might get a 1 from me, and a 7 from everyone else. Some naked ugly chick would get a higher ranking from me, especially in a provocative pose.

I like well designed series: chica fully clothed, stripping, fully naked, etc. In that case, I generally give higher ratings as the series goes on. Obviously out of chronological sequences screw up my ranking, and I tend to give these lower ratings.

Photos with indistinguishable differences from the prior photo automatically get a lower rating.

Extreme close-ups of a vagina get zilch. This could be anyone, maybe not that fully clothed chica from the photo before, although it has the same name.

Two naked women together don't get double the rating of one, but I tend to rate these higher.

Photos of bar girls fully clothed, well, maybe these are good for later identification, but get low scores from me.

In general, I rate lower than most guys here, but I never post 1s to lower a score or 10s to raise an aggregate score, I believe in One Monger, One Vote.

I don't complicate things as much.

If she's a average looking chica...not a stunner, and not a mutt, then that's a 5. I go up or down a couple rating points from there. Artistic composition, lighting, and other bits aren't in the equation for me.

I appreciate *every* photo a guy has taken the time to take and share with us.

While the ratings should be kept on a fun level, I think that they are maybe now starting to get in the way of the intent of the posting of the photos in the first place.

I think Porker said it best in his post way up above.....people that haven't taken and submitted any photos are not exactly the best to be commenting in this thread.

Ranchjeffrey has not really told us what it is that is important to him with respect to his rating method so it is kind of difficult to relate to his post.

But in looking at the winners and then comparing those pictures to what I had submitted (anonymously of course), it is apparent that nudity is what makes the rating go over the top.

I don't care about winning the contest (or else I would not have done it anonymously) but I do think my chica was better looking and the picture was better. She was not nude, and it was a little bit more artistic composition oriented.

Interesting developements on the photo rating front. I posted an analysis a while back, but I'll be damned if I can't find it. I just had a look at the top 100 photos of all time (20+ votes) and discovered the following.

Adriana (Cuba), long standing queen of the rankings has been unseated by none other than Epimetheus' Goddess 06 (Thailand!). Adriana still remains number one, however, as she appears 10 times from 4 different photographers (way to share, guys!). Image Adriana 3 has the most votes ever at 390.

Moondog's Karen and Sukhumvitter's Massage Casa Hotel Date are the Princesses of the board with 9 images while Wallstreet's Carolina stands beside them with 8.

Moondog is our finest submitter with 11 photos. However, only two of them are of unique girls. Most of the top 100 photos are, shall we say, One Hit Wonders? Merilin and Godfather have had three girls in the top 100 while MitchC has 4. Follow these guys around, they know where the true babes lay. If there is a Mick Jagger on the board, cranking out hit after hit, it would have to be Sandman with no fewer than 6 top 100 babes! Keep rockin' 'em, buddy!

In the top 100 we now have:
41 Brazilians
29 Colombians
14 Cubans
8 Thais
5 Dominicans
2 Costa Ricans
1 Canadian

Not a single Argentine or Mexican standing.

If we eliminate multiple images of the same girl, we see the following:

Brazil 24
Colombia 8
Cuba 4
Thailand 3
Dominican Republic 2
Costa Rica 1
Canada 1

(I conclude that Canada is just as good as Costa Rica for finding babes.)

"New age sensitive guys develop their inner child, I'm working on my inner statistician."

great analysis, thanks for taking the time to do it.

Excellent and informative analysis Wombat.

One thing interesting for me is that I travel to both continents, and use the same camera, have the same "taste" in girls, but none of my Asia pics ever seem to crack the top 100. I subjectively equate the SEA beauties equally with the SA gals and can confirm that many Asian girls just do not photograph well for some reason. By contrast, I have met gals in South America where they are extraordinarily photogenic and better looking in the pics.

BTW: Do you remember this joke, "How do you bag a "Unique Gal", "U Nique" up on her. Too much time on my hands.

I agree Merlin, the SA gals and the SEA gals are BOTH very beautiful. I have stated here many times that the SEA girls just do not photo as well as the SA girls.

Nice work Wombat...

I will make it a goal to get a Cambo chick in the top 100...could be tough but I do not mind doing the research... =)

"If there is a Mick Jagger on the board, cranking out hit after hit, it would have to be Sandman with no fewer than 6 top 100 babes!"

Wombat

If one poster had published all of the following pics, would that make him a MickJ? or a Michael Jackson..

8. Adrianna 25 (8.5 with 169 votes) from Cuba by DanishGod
13. Adrianna 15 (8.4 with 138 votes) from Cuba by DanishGod
30. Adrianna 24 (8.3 with 114 votes) from Cuba by DanishGod
31. Turn the other cheek (8.3 with 114 votes) from Brazil by DonGringo
34. Smile Claudinha (8.3 with 68 votes) from Brazil by DonGringo
43. Multi-orgasmic (8.2 with 155 votes) from Brazil by BeWildered
45. Adrianna 23 (8.2 with 124 votes) from Cuba by DanishGod
65. Tiger 04 (8.1 with 187 votes) from Cuba by FangBunny
78. Tiger 06 (8.1 with 120 votes) from Cuba by FangBunny
88. Adrianna 18 (8.1 with 82 votes) from Cuba by DanishGod
89. Adrianna 22 (8.1 with 80 votes) from Cuba by DanishGod

Stick that in Epi's pipe and let 'em smoke it ;) LOL!

DG

I believe Wombat was referring to the number of different women a particular contributor brought to the top 100, not the total number of photos.

Quick review of the pics shows that Sandman also posted a few duplicates as well. Too lazy to exhaustively analyze the data a Wombat did, but I think that would bring both of you to a total of 5 different women posted by a particular contributor in the top 100.

Just based on quantity of photos in the top 100, you and Moondog are tied... that is, of course, unless he also used pseudonyms. Also Moondog has 9 of the top 20 pics with his latest contribution Karen.

I guess, having 9 of the top 20 pics credited to ONE name, I'd declare Moondog to be Mick.

Now, we shouldn't dwell on these numbers. Don't think of yourself as a retired baseball player looking back on a lifetime of statistics. Instead, look forward to the future and see what new contributions you can share with the board.

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Guys,

Thanks for the nice words, but not trying to get any awards here. just sharing the wealth.

Wombat88, I'm curious about the term, "unique girls." What axactly do you mean? Many of the girls are more than one hit wonders, and have been seen many times over.

Thanks again for the nice comments.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

Dongringo, are you saying that you are Bewildered, FangBunny and DanishGod? If so, stop it damnit! I have enough trouble remembering who's who on the board without folks decidin' to change names occationally, sheesh! Well, if you are all three, that'd mean you'd have five unique girls in the top 100, right behind ol' Mick J. Michael Jackson? No, Bruce Springsteen.

Moondog, by One Hit Wonders I'm refering to the guys. They get a few spots in the top 100, but only by shooting one unique girl (albeit an uber-babe!).

For example, Wallstreet has 8 photos in the top 100, but they're all of the same girl. The boy hit paydirt all right, but only once. He was just plain lucky. Sandman has only 7 shots in the top 100, but they're of 6 different (unique) girls. That guy strikes oil nearly every time he drills.

Moondog has the most top 100 spots, but with only two different girls (Karen taking the most spots). That's sort of like Whitney Houston holding the number one spot with "I Will Always Love You" for 14 weeks and claiming she's more successful than Madonna (or Bryan Adams holding the top spot in the UK for 16 weeks and claiming he's more successful than Paul McCartney).

Yeah, everything's open to interpretation and is all in good fun.

Geez its about time Deeg owned up to his multiple personality disorders.
CG

CG-If you only knew how many more personalities he actually has you would be floored and might suggest he have a session or two with Bwana!

Just for fun, I think I am going to unleash a bunch of never before seen photos to the board.

Gonna be a busy weekend.

Let's be clear about what Sandman means when he suggests DeeG have a session or two with me. He's talking about a professional medical consultation!!! Get your minds out of the gutter...

ha ha ha. I must choose my words and references more carefully buddy.....

I noticed some opinions in Vagabond's recent trip report.

I'm very thankful of photos wether a chica's face is in it or not.

I don't skew my vote if a face is in or not because I haven't even been successful to get photos of the hotties I like to do in TJ. Even if they cover up their face. I've tried to do this with Deyanira CC and Sonia CC but have been shot down everytime. I pretty much gave up.

I must admit like a dumbass I screwed up in voting when I first joined CH and picked 1 instead of 10 on a few photos I believe. Oopps

I personally don't take the system too seriously but if some think a photo gets negative or positvie voting to skew the results, I would suggest that a voter cannot see the results until he votes.

That way a guy possibly can't let the current rank rating influence his decision. Not sure if it would make a difference but the curiousity to see the ranking would possibly promote more voting.

FBC

Bwana Dik You must be a urologist right?

Instead of averages, median scores could be used. Or trimmed averages (where you compute the average on only the middle half of the data, throwing away the top and bottom quarter, for instance). These are easy to implement, and would minimize the effects of outlying votes cast for whatever reasons.

Broman, I recommended the same thing, but it was not a popular idea for some reason.

I think Fronts idea is a good one. Don't show the overall averge until you vote. I believe many people are skewed by seeing the average and vote in that range.

I'd modify the suggestion about showing the average before voting...still list it under the multimedia tables and searches always, but when you click on photo with open voting you haven't voted on yet, don't show it there until the voting is closed.

no-one suggests the obvious-- how bout get rid of ratings all together...

KM-
No, DG sees his Korean masseuse for those issues. I handle problems above the shoulders.
BD

One the "averages" issue, another option is to simply not get worked up about these ratings. It's all just for grins. We're agreed the ratings can't be very meaningful no matter how the data are manipulated. There's no single standard that can be applied. But some guys like to give ratings and some like to use the ratings to determine which pics to view. So my vote is for keeping them as is but taking them with a grain of salt...

I suggest each photo should have a prominent warning label, preferably in red capital letters printed over the center of the photo so no-one can miss it, stating the ratings do not represent a scientific poll and should be interpreted accordingly. Or alternatively, perhaps we could hire Gallup to supervise the ratings.

(Message edited by LAguy on August 31, 2005)

I suggest NO photo be displayed on the site until the voting is completed on that photo.

That way we avoid low scores from South America aficionados on pix of Asian stick figured women with monkey faces, and at the same time avoid complaints from those with Yellow Fever about the high scores given photos of Brasileiras with Hormel ham sized asses and no tits.

There, wasn't that easy?

SF,
Given the way you solve problems, truly difficult to see how you ended up in your profession vs being an engineer.
CG

SF wrote"I suggest NO photo be displayed on the site until the voting is completed on that photo. "

This is meant as an innocent question, but how can one vote on a photo one can't see?

Maybe I misunderstood the post above.

Tough to see if the Brazil chicks have monkey faces when all we're shown is close up pics of their backs. Which of course get stellar ratings. It's a JOKE.

Crybaby

Perhaps. Beats sticking up for a bunch of retarded Brazil voters who think pics of a girl's BACK deserves votes higher than a TWO.

SFHombre...dont think you are going to find any hombres here with yellow fever(well except DM and Murasaki) but we sure have Brown Fever...at least I do.

OOPS, sorry, didn't realize I was hitting so close to home, as your highest rated pic (out of the handful you have here) was one of those beloved 'back' shots.

All posted pics have different levels of content. some examples are(there are more degrees- like pose):

1. fully clothed
2. minimal clothing
3. no clothing.

next level all combining the previous three

4. topless
5. bottom less.
6. fully nude.

next level.

6. no face.
7. with face.

With all the possible combinations of the levels listed above, and only one voting system (1 thru 10), and voter "preferences" and "turn ons"... of course the average rating will be fallable and debateable.

Personally I am more turned on by a photo with a fully nude hot body with no face than a fully clothed chica with an average face. So the nude foto with no face will get a higher vote than one with a face.

And come on, what's a guy to do when requesting a pic of a chica while mongering. "Could you please include your face in order to provide the most level playing ground for the voter photo rating system on Club Hombre." If she doesn't allow her face, it's better than nothing.

"dont think you are going to find any hombres here with yellow fever(well except DM and Murasaki)"

Yup, I'll cop to that one. I definitely resemble that remark.

Ummm - I'd say I got me a bit o' that yeller fever brewing too...

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"dont think you are going to find any hombres here with yellow fever(well except DM and Murasaki)"

Yes, I resemble that remark!

blaz- that brown your so full of is called shit ;)

I think its time to pull back the veil and reveal the mystery of the photo system at Club Hombre. Since I became a member the site has almost doubled the number of photos that have been uploaded by fellow members. These photos were produced with no small amount of money, time, effort and risk from the contributing members and have made Club Hombre one of the finest photographic collections of real working girls from all over the planet on the internet. I think all who provide the photos take a lot of pride
in what they submit. The desire of all of us to share our experiences through photos as well as words is what makes this board such a valuable resource.
When you make a post it bears your name. When you upload a photo your name is available for all to see. When you do a trip report its no secret whose report it is and it should be the same with voting on photos your name should accompany your vote.
This would remove all the mystery from the process and help us all to see and understand just exactly what’s going on. If someone gives photos from a certain person or country all ones then it will be plain for all to see. If someone gives 10's to a poor photo it will be plain for all to see. If you give 3's to a photo that everyone else gives 7's to it will be plain for all to see. It would be easy enough to have a history button as the photo window comes up that reveals the names and ratings that each member gave to a submission. All the mystery would be gone. Voting patterns would become obvious. I believe the voting would then become more thoughtful and deliberate and a pattern of voting that was clearly outside the range of all the other votes would be obvious and easily discounted by all members. This would finally give true and real meaning to the voting system that to date is senseless by almost all accounts. IMHO, its time to let everyone know what only Hombre knows and make the voting transparent.


(Message edited by Bahtman on September 03, 2005)

(Message edited by Bahtman on September 03, 2005)

That'd be nice. Good idea and reasoning behind it.

I dont agree. If that were the case then I would give 10's to all the pics taken by people I've met so as not to hurt feelings and to help get their score up. People would wonder what the hell was going on when Im giving 10's to skags that deserve 3's simply because I know the photographer.

Hahaha, Blazers the ASSKISSER? Say it ain't so!

I don't think it is ass kissing at all. I have met may a monger here who prides themselves on their choice in women and their photography abilities. They are great guys, and I would not want to offend them if possible. Sadly many of them either do not have the taste in women that they think they have, or (like me) do not posess a great deal of skill with a camera.

I know that although I have no problem with confrontation when it is necessary or appropriate, I would likely feel a sense of obligation to rate the pics of my closer hombres than of those I do not know. I think Blazers is right.

I still vote for a weighted curve. Throw out the top 10% of votes and the bottom 10% of votes and rate the remaining average. That gets rid of a lot of bias.

Having given MY vote, I can now sit back and ponder the fact that this is HOMBRE'S sight, not a Democracy, LOL!

Er, make that "site", not "sight".

Shit, you guys are being too nice. Tell one of them to their FACE that, 'gee, that bitch was kinda FUGLY', and you'd REALLY be surprised how often they'd say, 'GEE, you're RIGHT' and then you'd both have a good laugh about it!

Uhmm, at least with the guys I KNOW.

I have on several occasions done just that. I do not have a problem being frank, when i can explain. I just do not want a friend to see that I voted his hottie a 5 without explaining why. Sometimes it is not the girl, but the pic quality. Sometimes it is the setting, sometimes it is a look on her face or something else.

If I felt the need to make such a rating known personally rather than through the anonymity of the vote, I would PM the party directly. Thus far I have not felt the need, but under the proposed scenario, I think I would be sending a lot of mail.

>I just do not want a friend to see that I voted his hottie a 5 without explaining why

That is easily solved - just don't vote. Do as you doubtless do when dealing with people in person - if you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all.

"If that were the case then I would give 10's to all the pics taken by people I've met so as not to hurt feelings and to help get their score up."

This from the guy that has openly referred to girls in pics taken by other gents on this board as "simian" and "elephants". I don't see how an impersonal low score could be worse then telling a guy in some backhanded way his girl is straight out of the trees. You've never pulled a punch in writing and those records are open to all with Hombre and Hombre Plus memberships. How does this vary from ANY other form of expression?

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Actually nearly all of the simian comments are directed at another board. I have called Filpinas simian in general but cant remember referring to a specific girl as simian on this site...I'll trace back but have definately never called a specific girl and elephant. Dont confuse private conversations with stuff thats posted on the board.

>That is easily solved - just don't vote. Do as you doubtless do when dealing with people in person - if you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all.

Just goes to show you how dangerous and foolish it is to make judgements about people you know nothing about, Pheonixguy.

There is nothing wrong about trying to be civil with others here and occasionally passing up the opportunity to flame them. Apparently in the long years you have been on this board, you have failed to grasp such a simple concept.

I am easy going because I choose to be. Do not mistake this choice as a weakness. As Priew, Yobana and many others who have met me in person can tell you, I have no problem with butting heads, when the situation warrants the action. I simply choose not to be rude and insulting to people, just because I can.

Anyone can (and I see does) sit behind a keyboard and attack with impunity. I choose not to take the offensive in these matters because it accomplishes nothing and therefore does not warrant my time.

We can just agree to disagree and leave it at that if your willing.

Val, I have no idea what you read into my post, but it seems you seriously misunderstood what I was trying to say. I didn't think I was attacking anyone at all, and can't fathom how that post could be interpreted as such? I wasn't trying to say anything about any individual, yourself included. I was merely suggesting a civil manner of behavior - similar to the manner in which most (but of course not all) people behave when interacting face to face.

You have my apology then Pheonixguy. I misinterpreted your statement. We're cool. I read your post right after another round of that moron "The Bowler" over in Chat made his last series of snipes, and was perhaps too quick on the trigger.

I owe you a beer

By Blazers on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 10:06 pm: Edit

After looking at the pics...Im confused...which ones are the spinners and which ones are the elephants.

I'm sure this comment was taken much better then a "3" (or less) from a pic vote...

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Ep-- in his defense-- it was tough to separate the two...

Ep, in his defense-- it was tough to separate the two...