Now that I'm finally uploading some photos, I'm looking at the work of others with a more critical eye ... and I'm voting. I'm bugged by the fact that I can see a picture's average score before I cast my own ballot. This is bad as it influences the voter. Can this not be hidden until the person votes?

Further to this, I'm a statistical kinda guy, so I'm not only interested in the average vote, but also the mode and the median. An average is not very useful by itself. If you could post the mode (where most people cast their vote) and the median (the half-way point of the votes), I would be a happy Wombat. (I realize that most guys don't care about this even if they understand it, but I want to get a better understanding as to how my photos score compared to others.)

Wombat makes an excellent point re the stats...I concurr. I also agree that, if easy enough, dispaying the average should only happen after one enters their score.

Kun_Mor and Mcdijj: thanks for the comments. It makes sense and I will follow your advice.

I would guess (it's been a long time since formally studying it), that given that the sample size of scores is made up of quantum scores, and only ten such at that - that the average score does well to approach the median (and maybe mode) once a photo recieves over 20 or 30 votes?

Something tells me Hombre doesn't want to program an abbreviated version of SPSS into his website to serve our data needs (however, if he did I would be EXTRA keen on seeing said data!!).

As long as we're looking for Hombre to lie to us (ie. statistics (there are lies, damn lies, and statistics)), let's break the scoring down a bit further. Why not have an optional "stats" page for photos broken down by primary region? A primary region could be selected by the hobbyist in his CH profile. This way, a gent from TJ can see how his pics fare with the crowd from South America and Asia. Obviously the data is already paired in the system, so it's only a matter of being able to make that data visible in a format that's easily interpreted for "the masses".

Methinks this would keep the SEA crowd pleased with "better" numbers on how their pics fare within a group that favors Asia.

Of course, this SOUNDS complicated, but is actually, terribly simple as the "stats" asked for are nothing more then simple math.

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Hmm, interesting ... I'd like to see something like that too, Epimetheus, but for now I'd be happy with something as fancy as a bar graph showing how the votes are distributed.

Something like this:

50_____________________________
40___________________#_________
30_____________#_____#_________
20__________#__#__#__#_________
10_______#__#__#__#__#__#______
___1__2__3__4__5__6__7__8__9__10

Here you can see (sorta) that although the average vote is 6, most guys voted a 5 or a 7. Interesting, no?

Wombat

I agree, a small, color coded histogram at the bottom would be helpful.

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Damn, mongers wanting to analyze girls with histograms... sure glad I wasn't getting laid enough while paying too much attention in college course now ;-)

Next you guys are going to devise a way to have fantasy/rotisserie leagues with the girls!

Actually, what else would be good is a seperate ranking for the girl and for the photo. I mean, what if you have a crummy photo of a beautiful girl. How do you score it? What about a fabulous photo of an ordinary girl. Is it a 5 or an 8? Hey, this stuff is complicated.

I think some Asian mongers here are just looking for some more love for the ladies they photo and offer up. It ain't gonna happen here. The roots of Club Hombre is in Mexico and Latina lovers. Now as a generation of mongers has grown up and sought avenues bigger and better than TJ, many of them have retained a strict preference for Latinas and Latin locales. These mongers are much more likely to mark Asian pics low. Now many of us who are more into the Asian scene still had our roots with Latina putas and we still appreciate the Latina form, which leads to still giving generous marks to pics of Latina hotties.
(I believe the Blazers articulate this argument elsewhere)

Now if a site like Angeles2 or Nanaplaza, which has it roots in the Asia locales, were to have photo scoring like here on CH you would probable see the score bias observed here reversed.

Not matter how we slice the raw ratings scores, poster of Asian girls are just gonna have to grin and bear it. Or else get a more Asian centric board to institute photo ratings. Then Asian photo submitters can enjoy the home field advantage.

Wombat and Epi, I love your photos and hope you keep posting them. Believe me your efforts are appreciated.

The best solution to the fact that outlying scores (e.g., 1's when most of the scores are much higher) can over-influence the results of the picture ratings is to use the geometric mean, rather than the arithmetic mean. The geometric mean (which at one time I knew how to compute) does not allow outlying scores to overinfluence the results but gives a good representation of the "center of gravity" of the ratings. It might take some small amount of programming, but probably wouldn't be very hard at all to implement here. OTOH, sometimes I think these ratings are being taken much too seriously, at least by some.

Roots, shmoots, Mongerx. Three years ago I wouldn't go near an Asian girl. I just didn't like their look. Well, a few months in SEA cured me of that. My roots were in the Nordic and Caucasus girls. Now, I prefer Asians and Latinos. As we all grow, so shall the board. Your point is valid. Yet if we could provide some more flexibility in the scoring system, things would be more interesting, no?

Another way around the problem of outliers skewing the mean is to use the median instead...simpler than the geometric mean but essentially accomplishes the same outcome, unless there are lots of outliers, in which case you have to treat them as valid data points rather than the opinions of one or two cranks.

Problem with the median is you end up only with whole numbers, no 6.5's, etc. Of course, you could get around this lack of precision by turning the 10 point scale into a 20 point scale, but I doubt we want to do this (couldn't talk glowingly about 10's anymore). I'm starting to put myself to sleep here.

Probably the simplest summary answer is stated by LAGuy..."sometimes I think these ratings are being taken much too seriously"

Pretty much everything here is doable, but they come at the cost of time and complexity, and would still remain mostly inaccurate. In addition, adding too much may potentially make it too complex for general use. Some comments in the following thread might be good for reference. Truths and Myths About Photo Ratings

Since the ratings are just for fun and in reality subject to too many inaccuracies, we use and allow viewing of the scores without forcing members to vote. As can be seen by the # of ratings relative to our membership, a vast majority of people just don't feel like voting/rating.

I will point out a slight modification on MongerX's analysis. I would say that CH's roots in Latin America are only partially a factor. I think the bias towards Western and Latin features exist througout the Western world as evidenced by film, advertisments, magazine covers, etc... Within the general population of Western nations you really don't see a strong demand for Asian features. The population here is more likely to travel and give better scores than non-travelers. I suspect if these photos were open to everyone, Asia photos would score even lower.

Of course, within a population where members are predisposed to an appreciation for Asian features, the scores would be higher.

One last good example of why the scores can't really be accurate is Wombat's post from this morning. How would his ratings of three years ago jive with his ratings today? Even limiting a rating to a single person can provide a wide divergence of scoring when time period is considered.

So the question again, "Why have the ratings at all?" The answer again, "They are just there for fun."

Maybe we can we just forget the numbers and go with this NEW system:

Three thumbs up - both hands AND your dick.
Two thumbs up - your dick thinks she's hot enough to hop up and take a look too.
Thumbs up - The girl in the pics deserves a good fucking.
Ehhh - You're not sure you'd fuck her. (Yeah, you KNOW you'd fuck her. She's a moped - a fun ride, but you don't want your friends to see you on it!!)
Thumbs down - You don't want to fuck her.
Two thumbs down - you REALLY don't wanna fuck her.
Three thumbs down - She's got so much "junk" (oh yeah, I'm not using any names, but you "junk" lovers know who you are!!) it's spilling off the monitor and threatens to break your desk. Also reserved for women so ugly, when they puke the porcelain in the toilet cracks.

What do you think?

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Laguy...not true. You interpolate and end up with decimals. It is true that the mode would leave you with a whole number, but not the median.

But you're right; little reason to fret about statitics when the metric is based on a completely idiosyncratic rating system. We may agree at the extremes, but one guy's 7 is another guy's 4. In the end, the only rating that matters is each person's own rating...

Bwana dik: You are right about the interpolation; it has been too long since I thought about these sorts of things.

And you're a better person for it, no doubt. Since I occasionally teach statistics (or as my students call it, Sadistics), I have to think about such things.

I think we should just go with a CR (Concarne's Rating).

My qualifications/credentials: as I look over the past several years my scoring and lusting for has been evenly distributed amongst african, latino, anglo, asian and mixed race americans.

You all can you think of me as the Suprema Corte of the land.

I humbly submit this for your approval.

PS: Hombre, I apologize for the off topic =)

There is NO possible change in the rating system which will solve the problem of a group of observers commenting on what to the poster is a personal experience. I have submitted pics that have gotten 4-5's and I still firmly believe the girls were 10's. Why ? Because I was with them and able to talk and interact and touch them etc. . All things which go into our subjective rating of a girl whose pic we post. It ain't looks alone but many other factors that flavor our perception when we look at our own pics. This can never be accounted for in any rating system thus the poster of the pic will always be dissapointed in the scores. i.e. I think Da should get ALL 10's because I know what an incredible person she is and what she does for me. Others only see a pic of another decent looking girl and we all know tastes vary. My 10 may be Epi's 4. My 1 is definitely Masterbate's 10 !! LOL

Actually ,if everyone just stuck with Hombre's original rating criteria and did not make up there own ,the scores would probably closer reflect the relative " beauty " of each girl. Has everyone read the original scoring system ?

I also agree that the ratings are still taken WAAAAY too seriously .

As I mentioned in the other thread, there is a quantitative system to compensate for these biases (e.g., a guy who gives too many high marks or too many low marks, or someone who dislikes Asians, etc). It is not trivial, but not over-complicated either.

The advantage I can see for such a system is that if the ratings reflect more accurately the quality of the picture, people will have a bigger incentive to post better pictures. However, if the ratings are "for fun," it is not worth the implementation effort.

Truly an interesting thread made more interesting by the fact my rip off garota got a 7.4 in her rating...he he he.

she would be proud I am sure!

Personally, I hated statistics (OK sadistitics Bwana) but like to see the numbers be more reflective. Porker needs a 7 here somewhere!

Sandman

Sandman, couldn't care less, thanks. Don't need anyone else's approval ratings, but they're good for a laugh. I am indeed amused when I see face shots of S. American chicks with the face completely blurred out getting 8's, though. Talk about the EMPEROR HAVING NO CLOTHES!

BTW, one of my highest rated pics was of a fully clothed, long-in-the-tooth, covered in makeup, chain smoking, fake-titted, money-grubbing Pattaya soapie WHORE. How that compares to GASH SHOWING 18 year old GFE oozing hotties does make me scratch my head and wonder what in the HELL some guys on this board are looking for?

Pork,

My reference was to the long standing debate about SE asian girls getting lower scores than Latinas and Brasileras. I think many of your photos deserved higher ratings and even though they are for laughs, one has ones pride.

I can't believe this topic is coming up again. What's obvious is just what Sandman says, "one has one's pride". If you screw a girl that you have picked out of a lineup, or more important, make an emotional connection with one, it is only natural to see her as somehow being superior to the ones you rejected. And you naturally expect others to compliment you on your find. When someone gives a high or low score to your photo they are, in your mind, making a judgement on you as far as tastes go. Maybe if Hombre if going to look at 100 different ways to present statistics the easiest thing would be to simply put a lock on anyone who posts a picture that would prevent them from seeing their own pictures. That takes away the ego of seeing how others view your "catch". Then a dog will be a dog and an angel will be an angel.

OK, at least give us a breakdown of where people voted. That can't be too difficult, right?