I am going to be making frequent trips to either Bangkok or Sao Paulo, Brazil for business. My company is giving me the choice between the two and I am torn because I know I will be spending some time doing some mongering. I am 30 years old and am very picky when it comes to paying for sex, but if they are a 9 or 10, I will lay down the cash. I have been looking at the pictures posted on here, but I have only seen a couple pictures of girls I would pay money for. Are they better in person? I heard the Tai women are great once you get there. Any advice would help me out.

Having been to both I would have to say Brazil. Bangkok will give you more options,but for pure beauty,sexiness and,sexual skill I would have to vote for Brazil.

Here we go again! Comparing apples to oranges?

My advice is Brasil:-) Brasilian garotas have the bodies/curves that I crave. But if you prefer little spinners, they can also be had!

Behind closed doors, the one thing you can get more readily in Brasil is :-o (anal sex) if interested?

Enrique, if you are indeed "guapo"? You can score for free with the Paulistas! But, if you don't pick-up, you alway's have the P4P option at your disposal.

sf4dfish, beentheredonethat!Brasilhandsdown:-)

p.s. traffic in BKK will drive you nut's too!

I wouldn't say it'slike comparing apples to oranges. It's more like comparing mangoes to grapefruits. Brazil hands-down.

I now know where I am headed, BRAZIL BABY!!

Thanks you guys...

will I have to make trips to Rio from Sao Paulo? or will Sao Paulo fill my desire of Brazilian beauties? Is there any American worship there?

Sf4dfish, What are Paulistas? I am assuming these are just regular girls in the city.

What are the top 3 destinations in Sao Paulo?

Forgot to ask recomendations for Hotel stay in Sao Paulo. Want something close to the action, clean and guest freindly. Thanks again guys!!

Enrique,

Head to Thailand! Brazil is boring and the girls are fat and stupid. Just ignore all the posts exclaiming Brazil's virtue, and also ignore the fact that I'll be in Rio for 3 weeks in January. Oh, the hell I must endure. ;-)

But seriously, Sao Paulo is huge and will have plenty to satisfy you. A "Paulista" is a term for someone from Sao Paulo. A Carioca is from Rio. Just like the term Californian or New Yorker.

Sterling

This has to be the most worn out subject on this board.
Somehow I think it boils down to--
If you like Asian girls go to Thailand.
If you like Latinas go to Brazil.
You cannot lose either way.

KM is right.
There are so many reports and discussions here you should be able to make up your own mind.

Now that we've answered your question, it's your turn to answer ours. What kinda job does your boss let you decide whether to make frequent trips to either Brazil or Thailand?

Khun mor, it is not that easy. Other factors that must be thought about:

saftey (Being robbed)
cost (women, food, hotel)
ease of transportation
food quality (Clean)
American friendly (American worship)
non-working beauty on the streets
etc....

I like both Asian and Latina women equally..that is why I possed the question and wanted an up to date opinion from other travelers. Sorry to wear out the subject, but I really didn't have my question answered with information overload on this site.

Here's my opinion:

"saftey (Being robbed)"
I think Brazil is more dangerous than Thailand. At least, its reputation would say so

"cost (women, food, hotel)"
I think Brazil is more expensive than Thailand on all counts.

"ease of transportation"
Thailand sucks when it comes to transporation. But I think both places have lots of alternative modes of transportation (although I think Bangkok has more alternatives).

"food quality (Clean)"
Brazilian food is probably more easy to stomach than Thai food, for the average Westerner. And in Thailand, it's generally considered not safe to eat the smorgasbord of foods that are sold from the myriad carts that line the street. However, American fast food places are all over the place in Thailand (not sure about Brazil).

"American friendly (American worship)"
Personally, I wouldn't want to be "worshipped" regardless of where I go. After all, for every worshipper there is also a hater. Basically, my philosophy is that I want to be able to "blend in" with the crowd wherever I go. In that respect, for *me* Thailand is the better destination (I can pass for a Thai. But if I were three inches taller, I'd probably pass for a Brazilian...I'm Latino and Hispanic).

"non-working beauty on the streets"
Brazil probably has this one over Thailand. In Thailand, it's generally not a good idea to pick up a "freelancer" (not in Pattaya, at least). Best to stick with the bar girls and the a-gogo dancers in Pattaya.

So, again, I agree that only you can make the decision as to where you go. MORE IMPORTANT is that you don't be TOO PICKY, either! Because you simply cannot go wrong regardless of which destination you choose. Planning is the enemy of action, and if you waste too much energy nitpicking the details, you may just end up lowering the quality of your mongering experience with all the high expectations that you injected into your own head.

Whether you decide to participate in anal, lezbo, threesome, multiple sessions, etc....Hey, you WILL be fucking the hottest chicks on this planet...and you WILL be having the hottest time of your life! I fucking envy you, dude!

Dick Johnson..to answer your question, I work for a Health care product company wishing to export to both South America and Asia.

Guzybear..That is the best all-in-one-package I read on this site(for me at least). Thanks again bro..I will send you pictures and let you know what happened when I get back. Brazil is where I am headed.

You will have a blast..

Enrique, please re-read the SP discussions, especially mine's!

I stay at the SP Hilton on Av. Ipiranga. Its main advantages are that it is close to my main P4P venues. Two blocks away from the clubs on Rua Nestor Pestana, and 25 yards away from Love Story Discoteque.

Plus I get a complimentary up-grade to the Executive Floor and a late 6 PM check-out, as the majority of flights back to the U.S. are red-eyes.

Let us know when you plan to visit Brasil, maybe I or other SP veterans will be in town at the same time:-) You won't regret it! sf4dfish

sf4dfish, thanks for the great info. I am checking on prices at the Hilton tonight. I will be there January 21-January 29, 2004. Thanks again!!!

Enrique, I'm planning to return to SP Jan 30th for the weekend? If you want to hook up, try to change your schedule?

No matter what, you made the right decision; "Brasil:-)". sf4dfish

sf4dfish, Thanks for the info and offer to maybe show me around a bit. I have to leave on the 30th, or else I would really like to meet up with a known pro. My flight leaves at 11:55 pm on the 30th, don't know how my day will be, but maybe we can hit a place or two if you arrive early enough. I will have my laptop with me, so email or leave message on here. Thanks again...

Just got back, and all I can say is, "WoW". You guys didn't say I would have the best time of my life. I am going back in 2 months, just to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Thanks again for all the info.

If you are young (30 is young) and fairly attractive (in shape, nice; if you are blonde and blue eyed it is an additional plus - but not required)

then Brazil is great for you. Even the pros love sex, and with an attractive guy it is much more fun for them.

I don't know so much about Thailand (only 2 visits), but in the Philippines the girls were much more tolerant of very unattractive old fat guys. I think they care less about the sex and attractiveness.

as a 30 year old you are considered a perfect age for 18-22 year old girls

Who say taht Thailand is great for sex ??? My sex encounters with Thais women left me disapointed at 70-80 percent of the cases. Thais women are the only one i know of to switch off the light and wrapp their weists with a towel because they do not want to be looked on in the nude, most of them think only about money and consider the sex cession to be more of a drag (however when they are good at sex they can be incredibly hot especially the ones over 35 years old). Brazil, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Indonesia, and Cambodia for instance are better bets to find hotties than Thailand (which is to my opinion totally overrated except Pattaya).

Well, Dieschbourg, it would help if you told us a bit more about your encounters. I have had great success in Brazil and Thailand, but I recognize that the sex is, in fact, different in both places. I love banging Brazilian babes because for them sex is a sport (and they're damn good at it). I love engaging Thai girls becuase it often consists of terriffic girlfriend experiences. Two different countries, two different experiences, both superb!

Hotties in Indonesia and Cambodia? Hmm ... it's been my experience that Brazilians and Thais put far more effort into looking hot (and they can afford to do so).

Dieschbourg,

I have to disagree with you. You can always find real hotties in Thailand and more so in my experience in Bangkok than Pattaya. I have been to Pattaya three times and not seen one I would fancy, yet I have been in one disco on, one night in Bangkok and seen numerous 9/10's. From my travels in the east the best looking girls are Thai and if you take just a little time to "interview" the girls you can have a great chance of a hot session too.

I cannot comment to much on Latin America, although from photos I have seen on this board girls from the Dominican Republic do not reach the standards of Thai girls, Cuba does have the odd beauty, only Brazil seems to have the quantity of real good looking girls there are in Thailand and from what I read they are after your money even more than in LOS.

(Message edited by wickedwilly on May 14, 2004)

I agree with Wombat about different countries and different cultures and am only posting to expand upon that notion. There are many kinds of fruit trees in this orchard of ours and what you like in a pie is largely a matter of personal preference. I like it all! (-:

However, some ethnic varieties are more photogenic than others. Sitting at home and attempting to judge the quality of sex with the women of a given foreign country by staring at photos by amateur photographers posted on the internet is an exercise in futility. Nothing beats first hand exploration.

McDIJJ

BrazilSpecialist said: “If you are young (30 is young) and fairly attractive, Brazil is great for you. Even the pros love sex, and with an attractive guy it is much more fun for them. As a 30 year old you are considered a perfect age for 18-22 year old girls”

This is good stuff to know, as I fit into this age category (30-35). Like Enriqueguapo, I’m also picky, probably due to my age. I went to Brazil (Rio) last year but I was with mixed friends and my sister was also along. I fell right in love with Brazilian women and haven’t been interested in regular (North American) women since coming back. Of course living in Canada there aren’t as many beauties that meet that “Latin look” as in the southern US.

I’m looking to go to Rio in either November with a friend, him on business, me on my own time to sample the talent, paying or not who cares; Brazilian women rock. Or in Jan-Feb I’ll go by myself. I’d welcome the opportunity to hang out for a few sodas with someone that could show me a few places worth frequenting.

Backdraft


(Message edited by Back_draft on May 18, 2004)

Is it ok to take this trip solo? I am planning a trip to Rio in September, none of my friends can or want to go, but I have vacation time to check it out. I was torn between Bangkok or Rio, but these posts have made my decision..Thanks.

Of course you can go to Rio solo. No need to take another guy, unless you are gay.

Senioreric
You are making the choice many of us have had to make for our initial trip. Do not let posts here sway you one way or another. Realize this board is slanted far towards the Latin side.
Your decision should be based on only one thing.

Do you like Asisn girls or Latinas ?? What is your fantasy pefect woman. If it is an Asian girl-- get ur ass to Thailand. If you like the Latina look and attitude then Rio is likely your heaven on earth.

Either trip is fine solo -- My first 10 years weere basically solo trips. Mongering is not really a team sport.

One other thing to consider is expense. Once you get there, Thailand (and most of SEA for that matter) is less expensive than Brazil. I also like the fact that Thailand is FAR more exotic than Brazil. While the Thai food is much better, I yern for a carnivor dinner at Porcao on a weekly basis (Mmm ... Porcao ...).

You should go to Rio, no doubt, but you should also go to Thailand. Having come back from a major SEA expedition, I look forward to going to Rio again soon, then back to Thailand. It's sort of like eating Chinese or Italian ... it's nice to alternate.

It's been a few months since I've participated in this board. I miss it.

And I must say, life is good when we it gets to the point where we must make that tough decision: "Shall I have Asian pussy or Latino pussy for the next few weeks?"

(As opposed to: "Damn, I ain't got none in so long, I'm so desperate I'd fuck ANYTHING right now!")

Gotta love the lifestyle!

Actually, I thought I preferred Asian women until I went to Brazil. I still lust for those slant-eyed beauties--they ARE my fantasy women--but I can't seem to get past Rio (like, eight times). One of these days, I'll try to get to Sao Paolo--I hear there are Asian Brasileiros there, the Portuguese I'm trying to learn wouldn't work in Asia.

Hunterman mi amigo, you do mean "Brasileiras" right!

In answer to your question, there are some Nissei Brasileiras working in SP:-)

Claro que sim, mas meu português ainda não é muito bom, and I'm still having trouble with the likes of ele and ela (and obviously o and a endings). I can't spell Sao Paulo, either.

You've suggested I'd like SP, this would be another really good incentive to hook up with you there if you can show me where they can be found.... I'm thinking (hoping) maybe late August or September...

I did see a cute Japanese (looked 100%) in the Curitiba airport when I got stuck there on the way back from Igacu, she looked hot in her airline uniform.

I consider myself "Ambisextrous" since I can easily go either Latinas or Asians. I'm perplexed why it has to be mutually exclusive. Each destination has unique and different experiences to offer.

Nevertheless, in my quest to check out as many venues before dropping, I still can't find a place with more quantity and variety of p4p as LOS. This may sound cliche', but eventually, you gotta go to both Rio and LOS IMO, b/c I found that no amount of research or posts can compare to actually being there.

I feel my arm being twisted...is English (or Portuguese--lol) in common use in LOS, so I can talk with the girls?

English is the language of money - if a girl wants to make money, she'll speak English!!

Now, that being said, I've had WONDERFUL times with girls that understand about 10 words of English (the important ones being "UP 2 U"). If she likes you, the time you spend with her will be INCREDIBLE.

I've been spending so much time in Pattaya lately that I really feel like it's my town. I've met unpleasant women in this town, but I've met MANY MORE willing, interesting, fun girls working in beerbars that'll give you a wonderful time, overnight, for $5 barfine and $25-30 tip.

My system is fuck 'em, feed 'em, get some massages (cheap and INCREDIBLE), then back to the room for more boomboom. Wake her up in the morning with your dick and shag her once more, then show her the door...

E

LOL Hunterman, didn't mean to inflict any arm-twisting, but I tell everyone I come across to at least check out LOS. Most have found the experience itself worthwhile, although some of my friends still prefer Latina/SA. English fluency is not common, but many of the go-gos, beer bars, and other places catering to Westerners will have someone speaking English. Most girls know enough to negotiate with you, and some girls will be fairly good at English, especially at the beer bar girls near NANA Plaza. Most massage girls will not be able to speak enough English. LOS has many signs and street signs in Enghlish, and all the hotels have English speakers near the Entertainment/tourist areas. Interestingly, there are still Portuguese signs all over in Macau, which is kind of neat.

My arm gets twisted easily when someone mentions Rio or "like Rio." I'll get to LOS before long, probably try to hook up with someone with experience like you guys.

Hunterman

I land in BKK July 10th. You could always meet me in Pattaya toward the end of the month and we'll just slum and fuck the thousands of LBFMPBRs floating around...

E

What's a LBFMPBR?

And thanks for the offer. I doubt that I can get to LOS before Sept. if then....

Thailand v. Brazil (and mainly Bangkok v Rio)

This comparison has been beaten to death, but I’m a sadist, and enjoy flogging a dead horse now and then. I don’t expect anyone will agree with all I say, but that’s not the point of this exercise. What’s the point? I’ve met lots of guys who have been to one place or the other, but not both, and believe they can speak to the superiority of one place and the inferiority of the other. I don’t think it’s quit that cut-and-dried, even though I have a favorite that’s developed out of lots of experience with both places. So I want to provide a little food for thought, and encourage those of haven’t visited both places to do so.

This is my idiosyncratic take on matters, so you might not agree with my analyses. My feelings won’t be hurt if you don’t. Just—please!—don’t Turk me; it’s just an exercise designed to deepen the discussion.

My source of data: about 15 trips to Thailand over the past 10 years, and countless trips to Brazil over the same period. I know both places reasonably well but will confess to knowing Brazil better since I can speak some Portuguese, but speak virtually no Thai.

The categories I’ve chosen that follow are obviously somewhat arbitrary, but reflect issues that are important to me when I travel.

Hotels: In Thailand there are more choices at all price levels, and a 5-star hotel (a true 5-star hotel) can be had for as little as $100/night, whereas in Rio there are few such hotels and they are far more costly and not as nice. Nice hotels can be found in the $20 range in Bangkok but not in Rio. Additionally, the beds in Rio hotels are generally substandard (small and uncomfortable) while those in Thailand tend to be spacious (true kings—go figure, given that Thais are on average smaller than Brasilieros) and very comfortable, with good linens. Finally, the hotel staff in Thailand tends to be far more helpful and generally competent. Thailand in a landslide!

Apartments: Renting an apartment is generally not an option in Thailand, whereas in Rio many guys choose apartments over hotels. Apartments have many serious advantages: kitchens, multiple bedrooms for parties, etc. Apartments are much more conducive to major partying than hotels. Given the limitations of Brazilian hotels, this option is popular with many Rio travelers, and helps bring the costs down closer to the housing costs one would pay in Thailand. Brazil takes this category without serious competition.

Getting there: It’s a long haul to Bangkok, and the time changes take their toll on the body. On the other hand, bargain airfares seem to be readily available, and there are many air carriers and routes one can take. The trip to Rio is much easier on the body (at least for North Americans). Discount fares are not as common, though, because there are fewer carriers and, thus, less seating capacity that needs to be filled. Still my average fare to Rio has been lower than my average fare to Bangkok, and given how brutal the trip to Bangkok is, I won’t fly coach to Bangkok while I can imagine flying coach to Rio, even though I usually don’t. In terms of eating up your FF miles, Rio is cheaper than Bangkok. A close one, but this on goes in the Brazil column.

Getting around: Travel within country is very cheap in both places. Taxis are ridiculously cheap when compared to the prices in US urban centers. This is especially so in Bangkok, where I feel guilty paying so little for cabs. Both cities have pretty good public transportation, now that Bangkok’s subway is open, and both systems are very cheap. Travel around the country via air is substantially cheaper in Thailand, what with lots of competition among the big Thai carriers and a group of new discount carriers. The options are more limited in Brazil, and flying out of Rio you often have to connect in São Paulo, whereas Bangkok is the hub in Thailand, with direct flights to every part of Thailand and most international destinations. Thailand is the winner here.

Food: This is a somewhat more subjective category; if you don’t like Thai food (or Brazilian food), then the answer is clear. I like the food in both countries, so it’s a tougher choice. In both countries it’s incredibly inexpensive to eat. I had lunch at an excellent Thai restaurant in Bangkok recently for $8 and the food was exquisite. But I’ve rarely paid any more than that for a good lunch in Rio. Thai Barbeque is fantastic, but the Brazilian churrascaria can’t be beat. At the low end, you can eat better for less in Thailand. I’ve had days where I spent less than $5 for three meals by eating at street stalls (just be sure to avoid the bug vendors favored by the Issan girls). At the high end, though, the restaurant choices are better in Rio and the top restaurants are better there than in Bangkok. The best restaurants in Bangkok are more expensive than the top end in Rio, but frankly not as good. Still, this is a category where I can’t pick a winner; I love eating in both Rio and Bangkok and never come close to spending my per diem. This one’s a tie.

Music: No contest here, and I can’t imagine anyone disagreeing on this. Brazil has one of the most vibrant music scenes in the world, and live music is found everywhere you go. Brazil, in fact, is the most musically oriented culture I know of, and the music is as diverse as the people populating the country, from the sensuous sounds of bossa nova to the country feel of forro to the pounding urban urgency of Brazilian funk. Music is so omnipresent that dancing often breaks out spontaneously in the street. The music is sexy, any way you cut it, and is rooted deep in the souls of all Brazilians. Thai music, on the other hand, is something that takes some getting used to, and after 10 years of traveling to Thailand I’m not used to it and probably never will be. Traditional Thai music is exotic, but beyond that I find it uninteresting and unmoving. Listening to a performance at dinner the other night, my business colleagues and I decided that it sounded like Ornette Coleman had stuck a tenor sax up his ass and started randomly farting. It was “fingernails-on-blackboard” stuff, and we couldn’t wait to get out. Thai pop music is a bad imitation of the worst of US pop music, and it’s always a relief when I find some place playing actual US music. The truest indicator here: I have about 150 Brazilian CDs in my music collection, and zero Thai music CDs. Brazil in a landslide.

Dancing: The conclusion for this category is hinted at above. Thai women are not bad dancers, they’re just not particularly good dancers. The dancing in a Thai venue is about on a par with what you’d see in a US nightclub. Brazilian women, though, are born to dance, and watching these women dance is a pastime in itself. This is, after all, the land of the samba. Brazilian women learn to dance as little children. If they spent as much time studying in school as they spend practicing their dance moves, Brazil’s economy would be much stronger…but the world would be a more culturally deprived place. I have not seen better dancers anywhere in the world. And dancing in Brazil is very sensual and sexual. Another landslide for Brazil.

Women’s lingerie: The Brazilian thong v Thai panties? Walk through the malls in the two countries and take a look in the lingerie stores. Besides, Brazilian women love to show off their lingerie, whereas Thai women do the “me shy” routine and escape their clothes from behind a towel. I could include swimsuits here and the conclusion would be the same. Brazil, no contest.

Safety: Bangkok and Rio are both big cities, and one has to exercise caution in either place. But the extreme poverty in and around Rio, combined with ineffectual policing and a culture steeped in a history of violence, makes Rio and much less safe environment for the traveler. Crimes against tourists are rare in Thailand but an everyday event in Rio. A person can wander around Bangkok clutching his camera and cell phone in plain view without a worry, but the same behavior would be viewed as evidence of complete stupidity in Rio. The vast majority of tourists do not encounter problems in Rio, but you have to be on your guard at all times and be careful about what you wear, carry, etc. These issues are not significant concerns in Bangkok. I wander around the streets of Bangkok with my iPod but would never consider doing this in Rio. Thailand by a landslide.

Weather: Both are tropical, both can get very hot, and both are subject to impressive storms. But Bangkok has no time of the year where you can count on pleasant weather, whereas Rio has distinct seasons, and the fall and spring in Rio can be downright pleasant. Bangkok has three seasons: a hot season, a rainy season, and a hot and rainy season. Thailand’s greater proximity to the equator makes the heat and humidity more intense and the storms more frequent. Another for the Brazil column.

Non-sexual entertainment: There’s plenty to do in both Bangkok and Rio, just as there is throughout both countries. This is another category that comes down to matters of taste. I find that I prefer the options in Rio (and more generally in Brazil) more to my liking. In the city-to-city comparison, Rio simply has more, and more interesting, options: great beaches, tons of clubs, interesting neighborhoods, beautiful sightseeing, etc. Bangkok has some spectacular cultural sites to visit, but these don’t call for return visits. You can quickly run out of options in Bangkok unless your ideal day is spent in a shopping mall. Outside of these two cities, each country has much to choose from. Brazil has better beaches and surfing, Thailand has better scuba diving. Traditional Thai massage is hard to beat. Attending a soccer match in Brazil is a sight to behold. Thailand has some wonderful traditional celebrations, but nothing compared to the revelry of Carnaval. Both countries have spectacular natural beauty (Foz de Iguaçu, Koh Phi Phi,) but Brazil’s geological and biological diversity is greater. Still, this is a hard category to call. I give Rio the nod over Bangkok and call it a tie between Thailand and Brazil.

Now, the important stuff…

The sex scene in general: The scope of the sex scene in Thailand is mind-boggling and truly in-your-face, whereas the scene in Brazil is not quite as evident, but still large when compared to anywhere but Thailand. I think there are more prostitutes in Pattaya than in all of Rio, and you can’t walk down Sukhumvit in Bangkok between noon and 2 a.m. without being hit on a dozen times. Both scenes offer good diversity in terms of the range of options: bars, discos, freelance places, massage/termas, brothels, etc.

In terms of prices, the differences are not very large, and certainly not significantly so. In Thailand you’ll find freelancers who will go with you ST for about $25, sometimes less. In Rio you have the “real-a-minute” places where you can get a 20 minute “get in and get off” session for under $8 or a leisurely 1-hour session for $20. In São Paulo there are casas where the rate is 1 real per 2 minutes, so an hour session runs $10. Sessions in Brazilian termas run between $50 and $100 per hour, and are thus more expensive than time spent in a soapie massage place (with prices more in the $50-$80 range for a couple of hours), but comparing soapies and termas is a bit like comparing apples and oranges (see below). Otherwise prices are surprisingly similar. Examples: nearly every girl in the NEP and Soi Cowboy was asking for 3500-4000 baht LT this past week; during my last trip to Rio the starting price for LT from the girls at Help was typically 300 reais. In other words, both sets of girls were asking for about $100 US for LT (when you figure in bar fines, etc.). The final negotiated prices for LT came out almost exactly the same across the two places. In Thailand you can reduce the costs by going with freelancers, but you can do the same in Rio, and the prices going this route were about the same. The big difference is that three of my Thai “LT” girls tried to beg off after 3 hours this past week but still wanted LT $$ (I sent them packing with ST $$), while none of my Rio LT girls tried to pull the “my sister is sick” ploy and leave early.

A third factor that may be important to some guys is language. Most Brazilian women speak no English; many Thai women speak a tiny bit of English. Getting conversations started is, consequently, somewhat easier for many guys in Thailand. On the other hand, Portuguese is easier to pick up for most guys, especially if one knows a bit of Spanish. I have never found the language issue to be terribly important. You can certainly have a better time in either country if you speak the language, but you will still have a great time in either place even if you can’t grunt out the simplest of phrasebook lines.

The big downside for Thailand is the ridiculous policy of everything shutting down at 2 a.m. Rio is just getting rolling at 2.

So, prices are relatively comparable, but the sheer numbers of women in Thailand tip the scale: one for the Thailand column.

Massage Parlors v Termas: Everyone must try a Thai soapie massage before his days are done. Being covered with warm soap suds and having a petite little spinner massage you with her tits, ass, and pussy is a wonderful way to spend some time. Having said that, soapies grow old quickly for many guys, and I generally hit the soapies only once per visit. There are aspects of the soapie scene I don’t care for. I don’t like the whole fishbowl scene, and having to select a girl on the basis of who’s smiling the hardest. The fishbowls seem very dehumanizing to me, and I don’t like having to choose a girl solely on the basis of what she looks like or the recommendation of the papasan, whose interests and tastes are assuredly not the same as mine. Also, I have found the quality of the post-massage sex to be average at best, and generally uninspired. Sex with the massage girls is invariable the worst sex I get during my trips to Thailand.

Termas, on the other hand, may represent the greatest social achievement by mankind. The bottom line is that the sex is almost always awesome, certainly far better than the average soapie sex. My all-time top five sexual encounters have taken place in termas. But there are many other aspects of the termas experience that make it so thoroughly enjoyable. Going to a termas is a bit like going to a big party where the girls wander around the room in various states of undress, thrusting their tongues down your throat and reaching under your robe to massage your dick. The girls are happy to spend significant amounts of time before and after sex engaging in foreplay and afterplay. And watching the girls dance to the Brazilian music is worth the cost of entry in itself. Last year I brought a friend of mine from San Francisco to Rio. He thought the Mitchell Brothers strip club in SF was the hottest place on earth. This is a place where it’s $25 to get in the door and $10 for a tepid 3-minute lap dance by a bored gringa. Imagine his reaction when he found that (1) entrance to the termas was closer to $15, (2) the girls would grope you, fondle your dick, and grind their asses on your dick for long periods of time…for nothing, (3) and at the end of all this they’d fuck you like you’d never been fucked before. He’s not returned to Mitchell Brothers since.

Termas generally cost a bit more than soapies, but there’s a much better bang for the buck in the termas. Score one for Brazil.

Go-Go Clubs v Boates: I think both suck. Most of the dancing in the Thai go-gos is downright depressing. The shows in the Brazilian boates are more interesting, but still nothing to write home about. The Thai go-gos get the nod in terms of numbers of go-gos and numbers of women in them. The Brazilian boates get the nod in terms of the average attractiveness of the women in them (yes, I know, this is a very subjective assessment). Drinks are overpriced in both sets of venues, but more so in the boates. On the other hand, you get pestered to buy ladydrinks in the go-gos but are generally left alone in the boates. Score a close one for Thailand, but who cares…

Help Disco v Nana Disco: Nana Disco used to be an after hours spot for the girls leaving NEP who didn’t get a LT booking, but with all of the venues closing at 2 a.m., Nana draws a freelancer crowd these days, or gets the NEP girls who had an early ST booking and are after a second customer for ST or LT. The disco itself sucks: the music is bad, the drinks are expensive, the occasional floor shows (choreographed dances) are incredibly, embarrassingly lame, and the dancing by the girls is pedestrian. The good news: only five bucks for entry and that includes a first group. And some real hotties find there way into Nana, but I heard some ridiculous prices being asked (4000-6000 baht LT). Nana Disco is tiny by comparison to Help; I’d estimate that on an average night there are 4-5 times as many women in Help than Nana. I’m no fan of much of the techno shit they play at Help, but as they evening wears on they play more samba and the dancing gets more interesting. Help has a nice outdoor patio upstairs where one can escape the smoke and noise to talk with a girl, whereas conversation is generally impossible in Nana. Help also has a newer 2nd dance floor that features mainly samba and other Brazilian music, where you can watch some awesome dancing. Drinks are less expensive at Help, and there are more drink options there. The girls in Help are of more variable quality—some stunners and some real frightening characters, but the numbers mean that I’ve always been able to leave with a hottie. Prices are pretty similar; the average Help garota seems to ask for 300 reais ($100) for LT but most settle for less. The bottom line for me is that I would never step foot in Nana if not to just grab a girl and get out as quickly as possible, as I did once last week, but I often go into Help just to watch the women dance and dance a bit myself, even if I’m not considering pulling a girl. Score one for Brazil.

Short-time hotels: In Thailand, ST hotels are places where you rent a small room with bed and shower for an hour or so in order to do the deed and get out. ST hotels in Brazil are called love motels, and therein lays a world of difference. If you just want a place to fuck a girl quickly, the Thai ST hotels do the trick, and are quite cheap. Brazil love motels are designed for both sex and romance, and are a totally different institution. The rooms can be quite elaborate, with KS beds surrounded by mirrors, large-screen TVs showing porn, CD players, “sex chairs,” jacuzzis, saunas, etc. The fancy ones have pools, waterfalls, dance floors, meal services, and so forth. Most of these ST rooms are booked for 6-8 hours, and consequently cost more than their Thai counterparts. There are more basic, inexpensive ST hotels in Brazil, but the fancy places are quite reasonably priced, so most guys take that option. Thailand, on the other hand, really doesn’t offer the high-end option. And some of the Brazilian ST hotels are set up with group orgies in mind; this is not the case in Thailand. Put this one in the Brazil column.

Festas/Orgies: For many guys, an integral part of any trip to Brazil is a festa: round up 4-5 guys, 8-10 girls, get a good apartment or a love motel, and have a party for 8 hours. Usually anything goes at these festas, and the Brazilian women exhibit no inhibitions, unlike their Thai colleagues. They have no problems with group sex and most move comfortably from sucking a guy’s dick to eating a girl’s pussy. Not all Brazilian women are into festas, but a significant number are, so they are pretty easy to organize. Putting together a festa-like gathering in Thailand is considerably more complicated, and almost always not worth the effort and expense. Most of the Thai girls are put off by the idea of group sex and/or sex with other women, and there’s neither a simple way to organize one nor a good location to hold one. Another one for Brazil.

Blow Job Bars: Sometimes a guy needs a blow job…just a blow job. Thailand has responded to this need by creating the blow job bar, where for about $15 or so you can get your dick sucked for an hour. What a great invention! I wish my employer would put one in our workplace. There are no blow job bars in Brazil. Certainly you can go into a lot of places, especially the low-end termas and brothels, and arrange for a blowjob at a very good price, but the idea of a venue dedicated to the art of the blowjob, where blowjob skills are cultivated, is sheer brilliance. Having said this, I just returned minutes ago from Lólita's, a well-known BKK blowjob bar, and the blowjob I got was just average in quality. Nevertheless, an average blowjob beats no blowjob. Score one for Thailand.

And, now, to the most subjective and controversial aspect of the exercise: the quality of the sexual services…

Sex—Oral: On average, I find that the Brazilian women give better, more enthusiastic oral service than the Thai women. Over the past 10 days I received about 20 blow jobs from Thai women (no repeats): 10 were completely lame, amounting to about 30 seconds of lips touching my dick but little else; 5 were covered, even though I was assured during negotiations that they would be bareback, and five were adequate, with three taking it to completion and swallowing. None was stellar. I had several others—maybe 8-9 girls—fail my interview because they said they didn’t do oral period! Most of the Thai girls seem to think that a good blow job means inserting the guy’s dick in her mouth and moving hear head up and down as rapidly as possible. The average blowjob I got during my last trip to Rio was much better. The best went on for 15-20 minutes, with the girls’ seeming to enjoy it as much as I was. Almost all were willing to take it in the mouth, and a few asked me to cum on their faces. The biggest difference, though, was more subjective. The Brazilian girls really seem to enjoy sucking dick, and treat your dick like a delicacy. Many Thai girls treat oral sex like an occupational hazard that has to be tolerated, and should be dispatched as quickly as possible. This one goes to Brazil.

Sex—Anal: Anal sex is clearly more widely available in Brazil, and in a country with an ass fetish—an ass culture—this should not be surprising. Not all Brasilieras will take in the ass, but a significant proportion will. Many escorts include the term “completa” in their ads, meaning that they do anal. In the termas anal is quite commonplace, and I’m often a bit surprised when a girl says she doesn’t do anal. As one termas girl told a buddy of mine, “you can’t really call yourself a pro if you don’t take it in the ass.” During my last trip to Rio I asked one girl if she did anal and her eyes lit up. “I adore anal,” was her reply. In Thailand it takes considerably more work to find a girl who does anal. You can always go to Eden Club in Bangkok where there’s a stable of girls who do it, but they tend to be the older and less attractive women there. Ask at the soapies and you’ll find only a couple out of the dozens of girls there that will do anal. And in my limited experience, more of the Thai girls who do anal seem to do it grudgingly and give every indication that they are NOT enjoying it, while the Brazilian women get into it big time, with some being offended if you don’t want to fuck them in the ass. Brazil in a landslide.

Sex—Standard: This is a tougher category. The Brazilian and Thai girls each have their strengths. The real asset the Thai girls bring to sex is their body. I really enjoy sex with a little spinner, and some of these Thai girls have the tightest little boxes….yum! These girls can definitely get you off. The Brazilian girls, on the other hand, have an outstanding attitude regarding sex, and fuck like they were born to do nothing else. They tend to be sexually aggressive, almost predatory, and will absolutely put you through your paces. Their sexual openness stands in stark contrast to the “me shy” modesty of many Thai girls. While you’ll find the occasional Thai girl who is aggressive and immodest, she’s the exception that defines the rule. Finally, I find that Brazilian women have better and more variable sexual technique. I had no idea there were quite so many ways to fuck until I spent some serious time in Brazil. Another win for Brazil.

When I add it all up, Brazil looks like the winner. Subjectively that’s the way I feel, even as I am sitting in a plane leaving Thailand after nine days of fun. I always have fun when in Thailand, and love many things about the Thai women, especially their sweetness and kindness. But even while in Thailand I found myself dreaming about Brazilian women. I love the greater diversity, with respect to skin and hair color, shape, and size, found among the Brazilian women. And most of all I love their voracious sexual appetites. They will fuck you until you cry “uncle.”

So, while I prefer Brazil and its women, I still make regular journeys to Thailand. Why? Well, my favorite flavor of ice cream is Ben and Jerry’s Karamel Sutra, but I also like a change of pace, so I often order another flavor. Mango’s mighty nice, as is coconut. Variety is the spice of life.

Gawwd damn Bwana, another Epic report of immense porportions. I hope you were doing this on the plane and not missing session opportunities.

WELL DONE MY FRIEND!

OK, I gotta add just one more category. As a bonafied, unadulterated, died in the wool "chestnut", it has to be another landslide for Brazil. I am a tit man. I can understand others penchants for ass, legs, faces and even feet (GCL) but my first and foremost mesmerizing element of the female form are those wonderful undulating, jiggling, eraser pointing in the cold .....tits. There just aint no contest between Thailand and Brazil.

Since it is cold as hell her right now, the "nipples at erect attention squad" are everywhere. I damn near broke my neck today when a bountifully bosomed Brasilera waltzed past me on the street, braless, tight fitting top and a pair of headlights straining at the seams for some warmth and attention.....As my buddy Deeg would say.....Pinch me!

Sandman

Welcome back and hope to see ya soon buddy.

Concerning food: both are good, but Brazilian fruits, vegetables and meats are inherently tastier than in Thailand. Its not that Thai food is bad, its that the Brazilian food is great.

Lingerie: can someone tell me why Thai girls wear their grandmother's underwear?

Bwana, Very thoughtful report.Having been to both places a few times myself i can identify with some of your comparisons.I think anyone's own experiences can shape their outlook on anyplace a lot of yours were right on.for instance I agree Brazil girls on the whole were better at oral,I've had some great oral from Thai girls,and some terrible oral from Brazil girls.In both places it can be a roll of the dice.Overall I still say that all guys should at least try both places,and form their own opinions.Once again great report.

Regarding food - once you've seen the little boxes of fermenting, rotting fish that forms the basis of the fish sauce used in some Thei dishes, well, I haven't eaten much Thai food since!

I'll agree with Bwana though, nothing like simple Brasilian rotisserie/BBQ meats. I'm not even talking about Porcao, the stuff at the local kilo place has far-tastier chicken than anything I've seen elsewhere. And, I will rank the steak I had two weeks ago at Sol e Mar as one of the best steaks I've ever had.

Hey, speaking of Sol e Mar, I had never heard of it until the wife took me there. What do you guys think of it? I've driven by it about 30 times on the way to Centro or the airport and never even knew it existed. The outdoor deck, out of the water, that is a nice spot and the food is excellent. It's pretty cheap too, about the same as Don Camillo.

Excellent analysis Bwana! The only thing I would add is a little more emphasis to is the outdoor food, particularly the bug carts. For some people it will be no bother, but others may find themselves very uneasy with some of the smells and sights, especially if near someone munching on bugs. It may also be upsetting if you ask a girl you just made out with about what she had eaten recently, and she pulls out a bag of dried bugs.

That said, for me personally Thailand is a close second to Brazil with 3 and 2 trips respectively.

Catocony,

Sol e Mar is a great place to go, often quite quiet and the service is excellent. It's definitely one of the better places to go and has a great view of the harbour. My girl and I had our pictures taken there and were serenaded by an unusual quartet.

I'd add 2 points to Bwana's comparisons, living on the east coast and flying US airlines to BKK is nuts, it adds at least 8 hours to the trip, why don't these jokers fly transatlantic?

Also the amount of pollution in Thailand is stifling. Walking along Sukumvit with traffic jams everywhere is an asthmatics nightmare.

Interesting observations and comparisons!

For moi, the time differences in Asia and jet lag do me in! Whereas I can stay up late in Brasil on California time with no ill effect.

Jet travel, flying economy to Brasil is o.k./bearable! I will not fly economy to Asia, or at least try not to if I can help it.

Traffic and smog in BKK is terrible. Nothing in South America is comparable. The only Latin city that comes close to it, is Mexico City.

d'Art

I cannot believe you of all people would make such judgements about the tastes of Thai pooying. Don't knock the bugs if you haven't tried them. They really are not bad at all. You gotta be open minded and sample the delights of the country your in !! The grub worms can be downright tasty if prepared right. The secret seems to be to find a girl who knows who the better vendors are. believe it or not there seems to be degrees of quality in the bug business.

Ask a Terma girl what she had eaten recently and you might see a friends dick or asshole come to mind. I'll take the bugs anyday !!

I went to BKK looking for girls that looked like Kobe Tai and Teanna Kai (hot Asian pornstars). The only thing that came close were the Lady Boys. I went to Rio looking for Giselle Bunchen and Adriana ...forgot... (hot Brazilian Victoria Secret models). I saw plenty that looked MUCH better. Beyond that, someone here said "If you like Asians go to BKK, if you like Latinas go to Rio. Last point: I just can't get into fucking someone named "Da" or "Po." I prefer my women not be named after a Teletubby.

The famous bug vendor in front of Nana Plaza has really re-done his cart nicely. His has a newspaper article posted about him and now has fancy signs labeling his offerings.

Bwana, like several others around here, your posts are more than just a collections of words. This breakdown and detailed comparison between two world famous locations was outstanding. True lovers of food, as you are, almost always paint broad and descriptive canvases of colors. Few of us want to spend our entire trip in some puta bar or in a bed doing beta testing for Viagra. By coverning a number of items that a traveler would encounter you create an entire environment. Really well done as always and should probably have its own distinct place in some FAQ section of the board.

Bwana_dik,

I have just agonised over the decision about whether to spend my precious little hobbying time in my beloved LOS where I know the ropes, have a drop dead gorgeous woman dying to see me and do whatever I want to her and am always happy, or try Rio, much vaunted on this board, but for me more of a risk as it is unknown.

After much arguing with myself I settled on Rio, mainly because I may get the chance to go to LOS on business in November and as I love dancing and Latin music, Brazil as you say scores max. points here. So I arrive on Sept 25th for 11days and will add my take, to your excellent comparison, which I read with great interest.

One point though, I never stay in hotels in BKK, there are many serviced apartments where you get the benefits of a 5* hotel, pool, gym, maid’s, internet etc. etc. and large, beautiful rooms with all facilities and if you pay just a little more Jacuzzis, plasma TVs etc. Plus all are guest and party friendly! So I think your point on apartment is one I would disagree with.

WW

Wickedwilly,
Glad to hear you'll be giving Rio a try. I really do think guys owe to themselves to try both locales and make an informed decision based on their own tastes and preferences. I'll be in Rio when you come, so let's have a drink!

Regarding the serviced apartments, I put those in the hotel category. I've stayed at some of them, and they are nice. Rio also has quite a few serviced apartments (often refered to as apart-hotels) and they are quite nice. Apartments, though, are rooms for rent in regular apartment buildings, where your neighbor is most likely a native and longtime resident. These places have a different feel and are less expensive than the serviced apartments.

I agree with the point made by a couple of folks above that the air pollution in Bangkok is truly off-putting. I recall stepping off the plane the first time I came to BKK, smelling the strange odor, and wondering whether there was a fire somewhere. It turned out that it was just the ever-present smell of pollution. Virtually everyone who works outside in BKK wears a mask, a fact I find incredibly depressing. Now, there are parts of Rio that are obscenely polluted, but it's the water (around the favelas) and not the air, so the stench in Rio is largely avoidable. In BKK there's no escaping the pollution.

Xenono,
Thanks for the pic of the bug vendor. I took a couple shots of his cart myself. He's very proud of his wares.

Khun mor,
The termas girls may have been sucking dick and kissing ass, but the bar girls have been sucking dick, kissing ass, and eating bugs.

Great report Bwana. Having lived in both places you've made some excellent comparisons.

The best line however was this:

"Termas, on the other hand, may represent the greatest social achievement by mankind."

That pretty much says it all.

Have only been to Rio once when I was a kid and there is no comparison between Thai and Brazilian women. Thai girls are the prettiest in Asia and Brazil or Colombia would win in the West. Overall, Brazilian women are much prettier than Thai girls...everyone knows this. I will be there in several months and will be able to make a better comparison BUT....

I will disagree with you on three points

1. Food: The determining factor in what food is objectively better is how many restaurants you see outside of their home country. Thai restaurants are all over the world and books upon books and classes upon classes are devoted to the complexity and diversity of Thai food. Seen any books on Brazilian cooking lately? Didn't think so. In addition, Brazilian BBQ places do exist in major cities but don't even scratch the surface to the popularity of Thai food.

2. Non Sexual Activity: You forgot to talk about the shopping in Bangkok. Suits, antiques, clothes, jewelry, etc. etc.....Thailand blows Brazil away in this area. Chatuchuk Market alone dwarfs all Brazilian markets combined. That doesn't even take into consideration Panthip Plaza which has every piece of sofware, music and DVD under the sun for next to nothing. I have not been to Brazil in a while but I cannot imagine it having more modern shopping malls, theatres and restaurants than Bangkok. Culture is Thailand but I think Brazil is more noted for beautiful women, beaches and soccer.

3. YOur price comparison is off. You were comparing the most expensive asking price of Thai girls compared to the average or low-end(Casas). Not a fair comparison. Bangkok is a lot more expensive than Pattaya and it still is much cheaper to find girls than Rio. Freelancers at Help are going to be at a minimum, twice as expensive as attractive FL's in Bangkok. Gogo Bars and Boates cannot be compared because Gogos are an institution in Thailand and the same cannot be said for Boates in Brazil. The fair comparison would be Thai go gos to Brazilian Termas and the Termas are much more expensive. The prices that are being quoted to you in Thailand are miles away from the quotes that I have received...they are asking prices way outside of the norm ...Japanese prices....and those prices are seriously negotiated where negotiation seems less apparent in Brazil.

I am not into them but it might be entertaining to get a ladyboy comparison of the two countries from somebody who is.
I differ with Bwana on the go-gos, I love them. They are my favorite spots in Thailand. Yes many girls look bored and you can get hassled but you can really check out the merchandise in those bikinis.
Along this line of thinking, Brazil gets points for the Mea Pataca beach as well. I don't know of a beach in Thailand where you can scan the girls and they are all available. Actually, I don't know of a beach in Thailand where there are many Thai girls period. They avoid the sun as to not darken their skin.
Finally, major kudos for "a soccer match in Brasil is a sight to behold." I think anybody who does not go to a game is crazy.
I agree with the conclusion of edge to Brazil;however, I have used the 6 months of my tourist visa so I had to leave. And I think it is time to head to the far east.

Bwana dik
I beg to differ. The vast majority of Thai BGs just eat bugs all evening( most in reality do not even eat the bugs ) and have sucked no one's dick or tossed any salads until YOU take her out. It is the rare girl who does multiple sessions in one night. In a terma it seems-- I have never been -- the girls do one session after another. I guess a little Listerine makes it all OK. But I still shudder to think about DFK'ing some girl who just had her tongue up some other dude's asshole.

Everyone has different tastes-- I'll take my chances with the possibility of bugs thanks.

I totally agree with KM. The escort and termas ladies in Brazil are WAY more high volume than the go go ladies or even the massage parlor ladies in Thailand. At most I would say the massage parlor ladies (the high end stunners) are doing 2-4 guys a night with most probably doing 1 or 2.

The go go dancers can go DAYS between barfines and sessions and rarely do more than one per night.

Bwana_dik

I will look forward to sharing a drink or two, will make arrangements nearer the time. Now I have made the decision I am sure it was the right one. I intend to make the most of it so am looking for a busy time.

Maybe I am wrong, but I sense some contentious vibes in what should be an informative give and take (it's not as bad as the politics threads, though ). Here are my comments:

1. Bwana's comparison, in terms of organization and content, is excellent and it will give someone who has been to only one of the destinations (or to neither) a real feel for what to expect.

2. The comments on the beauty of the girls and the quality of the sex are necessarily subjective. Different people prefer different types of girls, and their enjoyment of sex is affected by that.

3. Anyone who has a chance to take multiple trips should try both destinations and decide for themselves what the right mixture is for them. Sometimes I am in a Thailand mood, sometimes in a Brazil mood, and sometimes in a Germany mood. Even if you prefer a certain type of food, you don't eat that to the exclusion of the foods you don't like as much.

After these words of profound wisdom, here are the main differences from my experience:

1. Thai girls are more docile. Brazilian girls are more wild.

2. Thai girls are smaller than Brazilian girls, and Brazilian butts are much nicer than Thai butts .

3. Day activity is better in Brazil, but early night activity (say 9:00-10:00 PM is much better in Thailand.

4. The number of providers/venues in Bangkok is vastly more than those in Rio.

5. Public safety is much better in Thailand than in Brazil.

By the way, about the gory discussion of what resides in the girls' mouths, we all realize that sex is a very weird activity that we are hardwired to enjoy. If you set aside the sex drive and think objectively about we do here, you will perpetually puke.

"The determining factor in what food is objectively better is how many restaurants you see outside of their home country."

MacDonalds anyone? If I ever get to Thailand one of the reasons will be because I love the food. Ditto with Vietamese too. Blazers, I've got maybe 6 old cookbooks of Thai food, several Vietnamese and one for Indonesia. And nothing for Brazil although I have looked. Still, I thought the food I ate in Rio was excellent. I had lunch almost every day at the kilos (buffetts where they weigh your plate) and couldn't believe the variety, the freshness, and how delicious it all was. Granted, a salad bar in Rio has mostly items which you recognize except that some of them are arranged differently with slight twists in their seasoning. And 4 varieties of rice dishes are still rice. It was good though even if it didn't have the exoticness that Thai food does. And while sticky coconut milk rice with mango maybe be fine it can't come even close to the desserts in Rio.

PS: I kid you a lot for your feelings regarding pros in TJ compared to most anywhere else. And yet, Mexican cuisine is rightfully one of the world's greatest. Sometimes good food does not equate with good sex. Thailand may just be a special case.

Sabio

You misinterpret light hearted jesting for contentious vibes. I have never been to Rio and am not competent to make any comparison. I only am responding to those who reflexly think eating insects is a nasty or somehow dirty activity.

What's the difference if a girl just ate pig meat or insect meat ? Either she kisses well or she doesn't.

What is worse, eating bugs or giving a Reverse Athos? I get nauseous thinking about bugs, but have on occasion done a RA, and I it seems to be a rather common activity among Americans visiting Rio based upon some informal polling I have done.

I will have to add a new Bwana-ism to my list: "Nevertheless, an average blowjob beats no blowjob". Well said.

Rich, what, pray tell, is a "Reverse Athos"? Felching, or something like that?

Whats a RA ?

Feltching I know.... (not from experience)

My goodness. Where on earth have you guys been? You are really showing your rookie colors here. Okay, well I guess this is what this board is all about.

First of all I will take the second question: Metalboots, "RA" stands for Reverse Athos.

Muraski, to understand a Reverse Athos you must first understand an Athos. It is the basic requirement that a garota agree to use her tongue on your asshole. For specific examples, see reports by the act's namesake on this board or by his apprentice, Hombrecito.

A REVERSE Athos is where you go a little TOO low when performing cunninlingus and lick her in the... well... the BAD PLACE. There it is. And yes, I have done it. So there.

Hmmm, me thinks Mr. Rich has a few icky issues with getting his tongue near the poop chute? Doesn't give rim jobs, does he? Does Mr. Rich get the willies when it comes to inserting other objects up the black hole beside his tongue?

Penetrating minds want to know.

U r right, I dont care for anal. I do include it on my list of interview questions (if I bother to do an interview before going with a girl) because ones that do anal generally have less hang ups overall and tend to be more fun.

Bwana, an excellent blow-by-blow summation of the material points, although my conclusion is different from yours in that I prefer LOS. I still love RIO and always have a blast when I go. Here are a few other thoughts to further beat this dead horse. I base my thoughts on 2 trips to RIO and about 15 trips to LOS.

(1) RIO is getting way too popular for its own good, thanks to Howard Stern etc. For instance, both times I've been to Centaurus I've had to wait 30-45 minutes for a cabina; 4x4 (my favorite Terma) is jammed packed on Fridays or after 5pm; and Sundays nights, there are only a couple of Termas open, and the ones that are open, there were lines of mongers outside of L'UOMO to get in. Compare, LOS has an incomprehensible number of working gals and an equally amazing number of different types of p4p activities.

(2) There is a finite number of hotties that mongers have to compete for. For instance, I've had the famous TAIZA within my grasp once, but she bailed on me when one of her regulars (a local) came into the Boite. Still haven't had the honor of doing her. I bet many of the Garota pics are of girls that many guys will recognize, I recognize some of them.

(3) Diversity is good, but most, if not all the Terma girls are bleached blondes of the lighter or morena variety. I just don't see too many pics of gals of the darker variety here, even though a lot of the population in RIO are just that. Thai girls also come in light (Chang Mai) vs. darker (Issan).

(4) The tight, spinner bodies and tight snatches are of immense importance to me. In LOS, you're considered "over the hill" at 22 y.o., whereas in RIO, you're just getting started as a garota.

(5) The Termas garotas are high volume and professionals, whereas alot of LOS gals, such as the beer bar girls in Pattaya or BKK are likely to be amateurs. There's a certain sweetness and naivete that I find greatly appealing about a new working girl. Even the go-go bars have so much turnover, that you'll invariably find a gal "fresh off the bus".

(6) The plane ride to LOS is horrendously long, but the airfares are comparable, if not cheaper to LOS. Tickets to RIO, especially upgrades, are harder to come by.

I could go on, but I'll spare you the details. I also require a change of scenery every so often and the like, but I choose to go to Colombia over RIO because Colombia is just wide open with equally beautiful and passionate girls IMO(working and non-working).

"Diversity is good, but most, if not all the Terma girls are bleached blondes of the lighter or morena variety."

??? Funny--I managed to go almost 2 years without doing blondes. I dont really think that is an accurate statement.

As there are very few absolutes in life, perhaps it is many, not all girls, that I've come across were blondes in the sense that my favorite Termas are 4x4, Centaurus, etc. What I was trying to convey is the fact that HELP disco or the beach area reflects the true diversity of the Brasilera population, lots of darker girls, but I didn't see that same diversity at the Termas or the pics on this board.

very interesting comments, Merlin.

Unfortunately, I agree with most you say. This is why I pursue innocent 19 year old amateurs in Rio. But it is hard work to find these, not like point and click in Pattaya.

Thank god there are the non-tourist venues that cater to Brazilians. Probably more girls then you would find at Help and Termas together. But, not as convenient as the massed numbers of girls in Pattaya and Bangkok complexes.

On the other hand, from what I know, the Thai brothels are inaccessible to Westerners. At least when I tried to visit a short time Hotel with girls, a long time ago, they denied that they had girls, even though I saw them when I arrived.



I wish things were as easy as in Pattaya. I wonder why these differences. I think one difference is that termas girls are rich, they make 1000-4000 US$ (anyone can comment?). Probably Thai girls make much less money!? Especially the beer bar variety.

Also it seems that most of the Thai girls travel from far away to be bar girls. So they are not shy, as nobody from their family will recognize them. Brazilian girls always are paranoid about being recognized by by friends and relatives.

The most surprising thing is why there are so many over-the-hill prostitutes in Rio. Maybe because their sexual prowess is so great, that the guys forgive age and ugliness!?

Brazil Specialist, an equally interesting set of observations. Don't get me wrong, I still love RIO and some of my best experiences are from RIO. In fact, I still daydream about several duplas I've had in RIO to this day and one of my favorite all time gals is a girl named Carolina from Monte Carlo (who seveal guys here said they've also had).

In LOS, there is such a high turnover and such large numbers that there really aren't too many seasoned vets around (married or off to other things) that can capitalize on their experiences to provide unreal services. The continous, unlimited numbers keep the pressures on to churn out new girls. This can be a negative or positive depending on the guy.

If the Asian gals don't turn you on, and if you want lots of beautiful non-pros and amateurs, then Colombia is choc-full of them in my experience, especially Cali. Most every guy that have visited from this site have hooked up with a non-pro there, and I am continually amazed at how easy it is to pickup. Even the classified ads have lots of students plying their trade and some guys I met were using the matriomonial services to get "dates".

I am really curious about Colombia. Well informed people like Mr TSM have set up camp there.

In Rio, regular girls are not flocking in droves to have affairs with old gringos. Colombia seems to be an improved latin version of the Philippines (where the girls are desperate to get a foreigner, but too shy and marriage minded)

Maybe someone can recommend me a few threads on these issues in Colombia, as I am digressing

Still, I wonder, if someone has an explanation for the large turnover and huge number of girls in Thailand. Why not in Brazil?

Why is there no Nana Plaza in Rio????? or 200 beer bars?

Brazil Specialist, there are some recent TR about GFE's from Colombia in particular on this board, Wallstreet and Jkarp comes to mind. I didn't really dwell into my GFE on my report, but provided some basic outline of the activities available.

It's true that the economy in Colombia sucks so bad that alot of attractive girls are eager to hook up, in fact, Cali is getting known for its numerous matrimonial services catering to Americans and Europeans. You'll run in to many guys from the states at the hotels who are visiting b/c of these services. Many of these girls are hotties and very well educated. Moreover, you have taxi drivers and cashiers at malls with college degrees being forced to work as such because the economy is so bad.

As for Thailand, there are many theories I've come across. Let me give you my opinion about the large numbers and turnover of girls. First, the biggest difference is the obvious cultural and religious one (Catholicism vs. Buddhism). I just don't think Bhuddisms places as much of a stigma on working girls as does Catholicism, which makes it one of the major sins. In fact, one can argue that the Bhuddist thinking that you, yourself, can reach enlightenment (not through an outside power), coupled with the tradition of honoring thy elder type of thing frees up the girls to work to support their fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers etc. with the blessing of their elders in many cases. By contrast, most of the girls I run into in Latin/SA are there b/c they have to support their kids alone, without the help of a boyfriend or spouse. Additionally, in Cali, even with the dire economics, you don't see the girls swarming to the brothels, but instead, they are swarming to the Matrimonial services. I attribute this to the power of Catholicism and the resulting stigma.

Second, there is the economic effect/Regional effect. Many Thai girls are from an impoverished part of NE Thailand (Issan) where there is little or no job opportunities. When they travel hundreds of miles to BKK or Pattaya, they are less inclined to worry aboutg family and friends being around. In fact, some of the girls I got to know in Pattaya/BKK are actually living with their parents! Not many local BKK girls or girls from other affluent areas work at the go-gos.

Third, Thailand has always had a long tradition and history of providing these "hospitality" type services as it was always a major cross-roads or stopover point in the past. It is deeply entrenched in their history, and, dare I say it, more familiar or acceptable since it's been around for awhile.

Fourth, the Thai mindset is very interesting. Compared to other nationalities, like Khmers in Cambodia, the Thais are very resourceful, good at making money every which way, and quite good at manipulating authority, which explains why they were one of the few SEA nations not conquered and controlled by the Japanese during WWII. Also, the Thai have this lovely life philosophy that permeats everything they do, and which nicely summarizes their thinking -- i.e. "Mai Pen Lai", loosely translated, "don't worry about it".

Alot of Thai working girls I've gotten to know got married off to Westerners or get themselves a rich Western Boyfriend ("ATM"), especially the hotties. It is rare to see a hottie go-go girl or massage for too long in LOS. The average or so-so girl eventually leave the profession b/c at a certain age b/c they can't compete with the 18 or 19 y.o. and they can't make their quotas of barfines. Some move on to different things with their money they made or go back home and marry a Thai man. You can always count on seeing new faces each time you return to Thailand.

I found out that Rio requires a $100 Visa stamp that requires 48 hrs to process - and its only in San Francisco or LA if you need it in 48 hrs - elsewhere where you mail in your passport (heck no Im too parranoid) will cost more and its a 2 week turnaroun:

Hence why I am going to Thiland that does not require anything more than the Passport. Columbia also does not require a tourist visa....

A small price, minor inconvenience, in light of what becomes available to you with that Visa.

this is tit for tat. Brazilians need a visa to go to the US, so they do the same.

A little childish. Especially because they shoot themselves in the foot. So more people go to Thailand, and leave more girls for us!!

why do you want to go to Sao Paulo?

My personal opinion is that I would not want to go to Detroit for vacation. Sao Paulo is about equally attractive. But seems you can get plenty of girls.

My personal recommendations are:
anything except Sao Paulo.

Rio is a no-brainer. Most obvious choice

Fortaleza is a favorite destination for Europeans. Cheaper then Rio.

Curitiba if you like European girls, nice city, no beach, cheap.

Do you mean Curitiba has European tourists girls, or local girls of European descent?

Hey Metalboots, I think that 48 hours is anywhere there is a Brazil consulate. Actually, I got my visa in Miami and it took less time. I submitted it at 11AM and it was ready the next day at 3PM. I also agree with Hunterman, it was probably the best $100 I ever spent.

(Message edited by travelsrr on August 03, 2004)

Curitiba (and the southern provinces in general) have locals of European descent. The climate was more like Europe, so that's where the European immigrants settled. And I saw a cute Japanese girl working in the airport in Curitiba.

Speaking of reciprocity, if the Thai government was clever, they'd make getting into Thailand for Americans as expensive as it is for a Thai to get to the US. In other words, charge a significant premium like does Brazil. Those of us who are addicted (like, just about anyone of us who have gone), will walk across broken glass to get back.

Good heaven's no, I'm not advocating this, just musing. I mean, really, the Thai government isn't very smart, is it?

The Thai government is plenty smart; they want your $$$, whether you're spending it on bar girls, soapies, hotels...whatever. It's the Braziilian (and US) governments that are stupid, placing barriers up that prevent folks from coming in and spending lots of money.

Actually, they're not smart. Remember, it's this current administration (friends of that guy in charge of the US, by the way), who'se been closing the bars early and attempting to crack down in other ways. Were he to follow my suggestion, the same number of people (well, guys, anyway) would still come to Thailand and gladly pay through the nose. Anyway, it's a mute point and I agree the US is kinda dumb about issuing tourist visas to Thais.

Wombat
The Thai people and govt know all too well why it is near impossible for the average Thai citizen to get a tourist visa to US .
There are thousands and thousands of them still here on their 30 day tourist visa from 5-10 years ago. It's actually a joke in the Thai community here and they have a name for the overstayers-- Robin Hoods. Don't ask me why they chose the name.

Wow, what a lively thread, thanks Sr. Bwana, for your thoughtful analysis.

I also LOVED Dood's favorite line "Termas, on the other hand, may represent the greatest social achievement by mankind." and would like to see it for myself. And I will. Someday.

I was particularly interested in your comments about BJ's, as, like you, have found Thai girls' oral skills to be only decent in general. And re: ass banging, it's a big selling point of the Rio lore for me from what I've read on this website, though I think that personally, going where no man has gone before with an innocent Filipina who's biting a pillow might be more erotic than some hard core Brazilian puta who applies some lidocaine and then lets anything go.

I wish I could have hung out longer with you, Sr. Bwana, while you were in Thailand, but my trip to Batam was indeed very interesting. I had some of the worst sex of my LIFE there, but there are gems all over the place, and some bodies there simply defied belief (and physics). I saw you posting about Bali recently and would certainly like to hear more about your experiences there.

Thanks again for the great post.

Blazers, per your food logic, that means Mexican food is the greatest food out there, as there's a Mexican restaurant on every corner in California, di ba?

And it's ALL better than the Mexican food available in the Phils or Thailand.

Porker,

It was great meeting you in BKK, and glad to hear you had an interesting trip to Batam. I spent two nights there about five years ago and had nothing but bad luck. The sessions I had there made the average TJ session seem hot. Sometimes you just have a run of bad luck, but my sense was that it's not a destination I would repeatedly visit.

Hell, come on down to Rio and check out those asses. I'll be there for two weeks starting in late Sept. and againg for 6 weeks starting in mid January.

I've resurrected this topic from 2003-2004 because I'm curious if peoples' opinions have changed with all the changes/events in last 5 years. My self, I loved Rio, beautiful women, great friends, wild times but found the exchange rate, rising garota prices, rising terma costs, rising hotel/apartment costs too much to bear. This coupled with (in my opinion) a more mercenary generation of garotas has caused me to explore Thailand, Philippines, and China in the last couple of years. I still wake up on occasion in a cold sweat longing for a session at 4x4 and I may travel to Rio again for a couple of days, but I think the era of 2 week trips to Brazil, for me, are over.

Grownd_zero

Its food for thought I will be in Rio in November, but that is because I had a free ticket on SAA, I only use this shit Airline to fly to Rio, because being based in South Africa I don't have another option. I more then likely would have headed to SEA if it was not for the expiring free ticket. I also think that other destinations have superseded Rio as a South American Mongering destination among them Cartagena, but that might be just me.

The two are so difficult to compare - lets take Pattaya, for example, it is basically 100% geared twoards one single thing - mongering!!! there are a million girls everywhere. In Rio there is plenty of action, but nowhere close to Pattaya.

Rio has so much more to offer outside mongering...especially if you want to pursue non-GDP's, which do not seem to exist in Thailand. I don't recall one nightclub in Thailand, either in BKK or Pattaya, that was not a GDP hang-out. This is not the case in Rio.

Thailand is overrun with foreigners....Rio is not.

The two are wonderful unique places.... I certainly have loved all my trips to Asia and going back in March - this time will include the Philipines, even so I live in Rio. But....it is just so #%$#$ far away.

I guess I love to travel to different places and just mongering in itself without any other diversions gets boring to me.

Rio is expensive, but between the bar fines, lady drinks, etc, Thailand is not all that cheap either. From my perspective it seems to be about the same for LT.

From an accomodation perspective, however, it is hard to beat Thailand - hands down, for the money, it is cheaper and much better. Hell, I stayed in a hotel in Pattaya for about 1300BHT - about $38 USD at the time - that would compare to a $200USD+ hotel in Rio.

I also loved Indonesia - talk about cheap & good quality, as well as Colombia.

Colombia is a popular destination, but in my opinion I get bored there after just a few days. Cartagena, especially, sorry guys, is just plain boring!!!!

For awhile there were airfares to Rio for about $700, which was a great deal, now with capacity reduced and the flights full the airfares are on their way up. Plus the dollar is tanking again against the real... it seems less so against the Bhat.

I love Pattaya (more so then BKK), Rio, and Jakarta... each are completely different, but great in their own right.

Colombia is a great destination as well, because it is close to the US - but, in my opinion, the service does not compare to Rio.....

Costa Rica and Mexico suck from a mongering perspective....

Then, one final place - The FKK's in Germany. I had some incredible times there, at times sessions comparable to Thailand and Rio. But now it is expensive to visit Europe due to the exchange

My 2 cents are that there is more to do in Cartagena then any other mongering city I've been to. It has a Caribbean beach with all the water stuff that you would expect. It has 600 years of history, much of which has been restored. It was the center of the Spanish South American Empire and all the history that goes along with it. It has great resturants, shopping, casinos, golfing, and a mud volcano. The quanities of chica's doesn't compare to the major monger cities in the world but the quality is extreme and there are enough of them.

Another view point, I've never been to SEA but Bogota has the largest monger scene I've ever seen and no one even talks about it.

Hi BL
Obviously I agree, for Americans Colombia is a no brainer BTW when are you going to visit the twins again? I am also still waiting for your ZA report?

Hola Amigo!!! The twins are going to have to wait until next year, they didn't take it to well when I told them. Haven't heard from them since. The new business is roaring, Larry Sonsini has signed on as our lawyer, google him very interesting person.

Haven't thought about a trip report, maybe this weekend I'll pen something.

Glad to hear the business is taking off. I am sorry you are not going to see the twins again this year but I am sure they will greet you with open arms, among other things, whenever you get back to Cartagena.

If your up get onto skype

Sonsini -- This the guy?

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/11/27/8394382/index.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/business/yourmoney/30sonsini.html

Yeah, some of us who have been around for awhile know who he is.

bluelight, you mean to tell me that there is as much to do in Cartegena then in Rio or Pattaya? Rio being the third largest metropolitan area in South America with a 10+ million population? Have you been to Buzio's, Angra Dos Reis, Ihla Grande, or Paraty - all within a two drive of Rio?

Nowhere close! Don't get me wrong, I do like Cartegena and have been there several times, but it does not even close to either. I actually had one of my better mongering sessions there, one that I posted about a few years ago.

In Colombia I also like Medellin alot, but did not care too much for Bogota.

Hi Lovingmarvin

I find Cartagena much more excisable then Rio and I find myself doing more in Cartagena then I do in Rio from a tourist point of view. Although there might be more to do in Rio but because its more spread out and the traffic is such a problem that it often does not seem worth the trouble. I also feel safer in Cartagena then Rio. On my trip to Cartagena I went out at 5am to walk the walls of the old city and take some pictures. Call me crazy but I can't imagen walking around Rio at 5am with a DSLR ad bunch of lenses.

That being said I will be back in Rio in November I would have prefered hitting columbia again but living in South Africa it is just to much of a trip...and I want to say good bye to Help.

I understand where you are coming from.... recently there have been alot of TV commercials here for Colombia, the tag line being "the only risk you have in Colombia is falling in love with Colombia"(or something along that line). My Brazilian wife was surprised after I told her that Colombia was safer the Brazil.

The problem is indeed that the main mongering area, i.e. Copa, is quite dicey at late night.

Of all the four mongering destinations I have settled on from a personal preference (Brazil (but only Rio), Thailand, Indonesia, and Colombia), Colombia certainly is the easiest and cheapest one to get to from the US.

But I did get horrible hooked and addicted to Asia...if it weren't for that looooooooooonnnnnnnnng flight!!! Aye, probably good it is so far away otherwise I would probably go down the same path I did that caused me to live in Rio to begin with (It always starts with a women after all :-) On my next trip over there, I will throw in the Philipines into my agenda. I am hoping I will be disappointed to not do something stupid, but all indications and postings I have seen so far seem to be positive.

Don't forget you have casinos in CTG, in Rio you have bingo. I don't go there for neither of them.

CTG is much safer and more relaxed. But chicas wise, looks and performance, it does not even cum close to what Rio has.

BKK/Thailand win's only the finance/expense side. It is the low cost alternative. And if you're into spinner types. "Caveat emptor" don't forget to look under the hood (ladyboy's).

My two cents worth, sf4dfish

Exectalent, Yes I figured there were more then a few hombres here that have dealt with him.

Lovingmarvin, yes that is my stance. Rio and Bogota are both HUGE cities, but what do you do during the down time? I've kept busy in both, but I found CTG alot more interesting. Rio usually has more mongers around to hang with, but CTG has an extremely large US ex-pat population that is easy to hang with. For a monger trip Rio can't be beat IMHO, but for a vacation I like CTG with benefits.

Rio is a fantastic location for non-mongering. There's excellent surfing in the outer areas (not Copa/Ipanama), Bossa Nova and other music clubs. If you want out of the big city, take a one-night trip to Buzios or Angra.