I have been to Rio 3 times anf Frankfurt 2 times during the last 12 months. Here is a quick comparo of the FKK Clubs and the Rio termas...

I also posted a detial report on Frankfurt FKK.

1. Quality - FKK slightly better

WOW. 80% of the girls I saw in Oase are solid 8s. There are a handful of 9+ also. And there are plenty of them in the club - about 50 during the peak hours. Comparatively, the Rio termas have slightly more 7s, and the DDG 9+ requires some good patient hunting. But in either case, you would still think you have walked into heaven. In either case, you will still have absolutlely no trouble picking a girl that would completely wows you.

For the light skin, blondes/brunette experience though, you can't beat the FKK. BTW, most of the girls have NATURAL BREASTS and body. Most have GREAT trim waist, flat stomach. I banged a Romanian the first night with perfect milky smooth skin with zero blemish. I felt like I was in a 5 star euro porn movie.

In Rio, you can still find this kind of milky smooth Euro bodies. But most girls will have more skin blemish and darker skin, thanks to sun exposure I think.


2. GFE Experience - Rio MUCH MUCH BETTER

The FKK girls are very business / pro like. Once you have picked out a girl, she would push you to go to either the cinema or to pick up room (which starts the clock). They are very strick on time and it's 50 euros for 30 minutess. Besides a couple of local German beauties which I had a great time with, the Eastern Europeans are very business like and you feel like you are being hustled.

In Rio, you do not feel rush at all. The girl will hang out with you at the bar for as long as you like. Each session is about 45-60 minutes. Most of the girls provides GFE, non-rush, interactive experiences.


3. Price - Rio is better

The FKK charges 65 euros entrance fee which includes all drinks, simple meals (usually pasta w/ meat sauce), and use of facility. There is no additional "per use" room fee. You pay 50 euros for the gal and it's only for 30 minutes.

In contrast, the Rio termas charges you for the drink (but they don't push you), the room and for the girl are pay-per-use.

So, say a typical evening for me is spending 4-5 hours and doing two girls (separately), the FKK costs 165 euros which is close to $200. And a Rio termas will only cost around $160 US. **The big difference is also that in Rio, each girl clock out for 60 minutes at a time, while it is a mere 30 minutes in the FKK.


4. Variety - Rio much better

In the FKKs, you get mostly (80%) eastern european. Lots of Romanian, some Polish, and about 15% local Germans. Lots of blondes and brunettes. All white skins. In Rio, you get dark skin Latinos, light skin Lationos, Italian/German blondes, brunettes, beautiful black girls, caramel skin Colombians... you name it, Rio gets it.


Given a choice, I will definitely pick Rio as my choice vacation spot. Other than good sex, you make good connection with the girls there and btw you can take your sweetie out for "long time" for a real GFE vacation experience. FKK is all business, and it's all about banging and screwing. A cute Polish blonde offered to go "long time" with me for 500 euros a day. I said - no thanks. I can get complete, passionate, all night sex, and some day sex, plus long time stay from a hot Rio girl for less than 1/3 of that price.

Interesting enough topic. I have been to Germany once, Rio 10 times, Colombia 4 times, the DR 10 times, and Thailand 3 times, and many other locales. Here is my take on it.

$$$ - That Euro rate will kill you.

Quality - I was already sick of white women and to me GFE, not visual appeal, is the quality. I do not take this to the extreme, as even with my eyes closed I remember what I think she looks like. But I will take passionate DFK to silky skin any day. This really comes down to the depth of the sensual experience. With regard to that:

For a night I'll take a Brazilera
For a weekend a Dominicana
For a week a Colombiana
and for a gf a pooying. The others satiate you while a Thai lady experiences you and makes you real.

btw, we agree - Polish girls are under-rated.

My theories are shit as I need to make it to the PI. They seem to know how to nasty the best and I have yet to arrive.

que te vaya bien,
G

I would add ease of transporation to this comparison. If not for this and the shitty dollar Germany would be much higher on my list and would be competitive for the top two spots, as it is it's expensive and a pain in the ass to get around.

Taxi's are almost out of the question without having to add significant transportation costs. One can get to Palace and Beach for a reasonable rate, Oase is pushing it, but World and Atlantis (now closed?) are out of the question by taxi if you're staying in Frankfurt.

One can rent a car as I did, but after taxes, insurance, gas and everything, that was another $100 a day and the fun of driving and using the navigation system.

Brazil to me, rocks. Still, I'll revisit Germany. I love the Romanians.

Dart,

You can cut your Germany car costs a little. Absoutely agree that a car and good maps are mandatory. GPS a good idea too. Try this site.

http://www.sixtusa.com/

You need to play around with the rate options a little, but good pickup at FRA and I had a high end Beemer for $50 a day including expenses. The bordelos that you mention are great, but the clubs up north west of Dusseldorf are smaller, more personal, and more fun. Lotsa cute Polish girls. Polish girls rule.

During my last trip, I rented a pretty decent Renault from Sixt for less that US$50 per day including all taxes and fees.

I booked it on Travelocity. It was branded as Payless but is operated by Sixt. Sixt is probably the largest rental company in the Frankfurt airport and it is quite convenient.

BTW, to avoid paying the expensive insurance policies offered by the rental company, I buy an annual policy from Travel Guard. It's Platinum plus product offers multi-trip protection (it's an annual plan). And it provides collision waiver coverage as part of the plan, cover car rentals in Europe as well as Norht America.

I lived in Germany for a while and I cannot emphasize the non-mongering differences enough. Germany is close to 100% safe; Brasil can be quite dangerous. Germany is, at least this time of the year, cold and dreary. Rio is hot and pleasant. While German food sucks big time, there are plenty of really good restaurants in Germany, but Rio is much better on the food front.

When we pick mongering places, I think some guys forget that they won't have their dick in a girl 24 hours a day. It's still a vacation, so you need to get the local, flavor and experiences of a "normal" vacation as well as the mongering time. Beaches, restaurants, hotel rooms, transportation - each is essential.

Sex_junkie

I agree with your conclusions and those added by d'Artagnan although using Maporama and planning your trip before hand does help a little.

If you happen to live within an hours flight of Rio as well as Germany you would go to Rio everytime, but for those of us in the UK the FKK is the nearest thing to a Terma we can get and it is only 1-2 hours flight.

Worls Cup Soccer in Germany 2006 here I come!!!!!

Here's my awesome plan guys:
Go to the World Cup 2006
Participate in the European Delivery Program (either Mercedes-benz or BMW, haven't decided yet)
Pick up my new car
Enjoy one month of total soccer madness and mongering madness...I don't think I'll need a hotel I can just sleep a. in my new car b. at the sex clubs c. camp outside the stadiums. Can't wait.
Any suggestions?
I'm not sure which cities I will visit since I don't know which teams will be going but I think i will follow: US, Mexico, Brazil and Italy. Hopefully I can keep a schedule of one game per day and two fucks per day. Anyhow, I will make sure I stop by Frankfourt and try some of your suggestions SEX JUNKIE!

LL

Latinlover2005

That is a very good idea especially not needing an hotel. I have gone over there and stayed in the FKK until early morning, then napped in the car until driving straight to the next FKK.

The money you would spend on a hotel will more than cover your entrance to the FKK, you will have excellent washing facilities and can nap in the FKK if you get tired. So the routine could be football in the afternoon, evening FKK, late night/morning sleep in car or for evening matches FKK/football/FKK/sleep. A wonderful idea!

OK Guys, I live in Germany and earn my money in Euros, so a lot of the negatives are not there for me. It is easy for me to jump in my car and drive to a FKK. Within 45 minutes of my front door I have more than 10 that I have been more than happy to visit

In order of distance and then number of girls on an average day:

Blue Note - 6
Tropicana City - 7
Dolce Vita - 8
Tropicana - 12
Planet Happy Garden - 40
Goldentime - 40
Wildenrath - 20
Babylon - 10
Freudenberg 39 Bochum - 20
Samya - 15
Schieferhof - 15


OK, that is 11, but there are more than that.

I personally prefer the clubs in the Düsseldorf/Cologne area (my area) to the mega clubs around frankfurt.

Goldentime and Happy Garden can compete with the big frankfurt club on sheeer number of girls and quality at anytime. The facilities are just smaller. Those two plus Wildenrath also have better and more plentiful food than the frankfurt clubs and have beer among the free drinks. Than and that entrance there is only 50€ instead of 65€, and that each 30 minutes after the first is 25€ instead of 50€.

In the meantime there are decent FKK near most major cities and places where the world cup will be.

There are some near Stuttgart, Munich (Augsburg), Nurnberg, Liepzig and now even some have opened in Hamburg.

I like the set up more than anyplace I have travelled to. The only place missing from my list is South america though, so I cannot make a direct comparison.

However, I like the Short time aspect. I don't like to have too much of a "in love" experience from the girls. I want a good session, but I want it to be over when it is over.

I think that will be my main problem when I finally make it to Brazil.

Peter: The termas in Rio give you the option of either a 40 or 60 minute session. The clubs in Sao Paulo that are higher end tend to have 60 minute sessions; the mid level and lower level clubs tend towards 30 minute sessions. I should add that I often am in the room with the girl within a few minutes of starting a conversation, and might not spend any time with her after the session; OTOH, there are times where I might instead spend some time before and/or after. As they say in LOS, "it's up to you."

While the girls will do just about anything for you, the girls in Rio and Sao Paulo seem more into sport fucking than "in love" experiences IMHO. While they do have their jealous streaks, I am inclined to think it has more to do with vanity than "love." They probably are a bit less business like than some of the girls in Germany, and certainly the Czech Republic, but I wouldn't go so far as to say their increased friendliness equates to an "in love" experience (I remember seeing a recent survey that rated Brazil the friendliest country in the world, although I don't know how you really measure that).

I won't get into a comparison of Brazil and Germany given that my experience in Germany is too limited for that.

Just my two cents.



(Message edited by LAguy on January 27, 2005)

Peter,

You are indeed fortunate enough to be living so close to so many of these wonderful intitutions. I only wish we had them here in the UK.

It is good to know about some of the lesser reported FKK's. 25e is a bargain in Europe. So Goldentime and Happy Garden are these prices, yes. I love the FKK's but they tend to bankrupt me as I never know when to stop with all the talent around. At these prices I can afford to go more often. I am considering a trip later in the year with another friend from this board and would like to try these, could you post a little more info please.

WW,

First 30 mins with each girl is 50€ at these clubs. If you extend a session to 1 hour it is a total of 75€. At PHG and Wildenrath they still do have the 25€ session, but that is with a covered BJ, and the girls aren't really happy with that session.

But Red Carpet Clubs like Bochum or Duisburg have sessions startting at 20€ including BBBJ and covered FS.

I just find te Frankfurt clubs a little expensive.

I do not claim the german clubs are better than Brazil, as I have never been to brazil.

I just think to go to Brazil I have to pay 800€ for a flight, and that is 16 sessions. Here I have no hotel costs either.

I am happy with what I have. I have travelled to many other locales and have yet to find something comparable. I really didn't enjoy LOS.

Thanks Peter, I will try some of these as soon as I can get over there.

From my experience the Termas in Rio do not have the facilities of the FKK's I have visited and in general there are not as many good looking girls as I saw at Atlantis on my last trip (a good while ago now). However, service is far more consistent in Rio and it does cost less.

It is definetely worth visiting Brazil, just to experience it. Yes it is expensive if you add the flight and hotel, but treat it as a holiday and those costs are written off as far as I am concerned.