BRAZIL AND ARGENTINA AND EVERYTHING ALSE.
By Wine God.

I had been thinking for some time what I could share with fellow members that would add value to their lives and still manage to be interesting and new.

A few things happened recently that propelled me to write down my thoughts.
1. Castro’s illness
2. The release of the film Heading South

Castro’s illness reminded me that Cuba used to be the party playground for Americans before the revolution and may again become one. Of course some of you have found ways of getting there through Mexico and Canada, but once there, there have been major disappointments with the food and the condition of the people. I mean, how much can you really enjoy sex if the women have almost no access to soap? (Especially when we are all spoiled by Brazilians’ immaculate hygiene standards!)

Nevertheless I would be willing to bet that the Cubans may give everyone a run for the money once the island really opens up. The distance is close, the people are attractive, they are multiracial (like in Brazil) and they speak Spanish which is more accessible to all of us than Portuguese. Additionally, Cubans are fun as well as accomplished people (look at what they have been able to do in Miami).
After the island opens up the prices will initially be cheaper so it will be a good time to go.

The film Heading South is in English (with some French) and is directed by French director Laurent Cantet. It stars British actress Charlotte Rampling in the title role. The story is about three American women who are sex tourists in Haiti during the Seventies. The women are all over 50 and they deal candidly with their diminishing chances of attracting men in the US. The film is additionally interesting because it touches on rivalry among women, as well as the repressive political climate in Haiti during the reign of Papa Doc Duvalier.

The film is a remarkable examination of adult desire and the only honest film I have ever seen on the subject of mongering -let alone from the woman’s point of view. A must see for any of us who have enjoyed traveling for pleasure around the world.

Speaking of traveling for pleasure, I would like to suggest that we stop calling ourselves mongers and invent a new title like IPT: International Pleasure Travelers. Mongering sound kind of trashy.

I would like to hear from you on options to the word monger.


TRAVELING AND COSTS: There has been a lot of talk on the boards about the rising costs in Brazil. My suggestions would be to triangulate and leverage various currencies to achieve maximum benefit. In Latin America, you can’t go wrong by moving between Colombia, Argentina and Brazil. If you are addicted to larger cities, then Buenos Aires and Rio win out.

The nice thing about leveraging your portfolio among these three countries is that you are able to work with various currencies, scenic places, and types of women. Various members have posted on each country so it’s not hard to find accurate and up to date info on each place. For those of you who have accumulated miles, here is a bonanza. You can travel for the same number of miles by entering one city and leaving out of another without paying extra. For example if you are using AA miles, you can fly into Rio for 5 days then take the sister airline (LAN) to BA for no additional cost and fly out of Buenos Aires. Total cost off-season: 40,000 miles. When you pay with money the connecting trip can be expensive. {Frequent travelers keep this in mind: two trips to Rio or Buenos Aires equal 38,000 miles. In other words, every third trip you take should be free!}

The great thing about all these places –and particularly Rio and BA- is that they offer many options and enable the Pleasure Traveler to save money by switching between escorts and Termas and beach/cafe action. Despite the fact that prices have risen, the girls try to keep their prices normal since foreign tourists are only a small fraction of their business. Those of you that have posted about girls giving Brazilians and foreigners different rates are incorrect. Quotes might be initially high at Help, because all the guys there are foreign. However, if you read the Brazilian boards you realize that girls charge the same to Brazilians as they advertise on their websites.

Another thing that any IPT might do is simply be choosier. Some of us try to shoot for 5 encounters a day! This kind of schedule diminishes the value of some of the encounters, while raising the possibility of a bad one. Many of us working at that speed have either fallen sick, or enjoyed only 2/3 of the encounters.

MEMBERS: I wish I had been a member sooner in order to have tapped into all that knowledge. I would have made fewer mistakes of my own. Speaking of members, I have to say that I have gotten real pleasure from reading certain reports. Who cannot chuckle at Jaguar’s misadventures. His writing is on the level of literature: amazing short stories loaded with humanity and humor.
Thumper is always good for interesting observations with the added benefit when he comments on race relations: African-American tourist behavior, or Brazilian’s attitudes towards Blacks.

Bwana Dik reports are in a league of their own. They are very accurate, businesslike yet never boring. His detailed reports on Rio is all we need to know, period. In general, the generosity of members who sit down and write an extended report is amazing! I mean, they don’t really have to do this.
I particularly have to compliment members who write in an interesting, non insulting, and grammatically correct way. Reading how I kicked that Ho out of my place or how I squirted man-yogurt on her face is well… need I say more?

Speaking of erotica, Bwana Dik’s Depravity and Degradation in Porto Alegre has to rank as one of the most erotic portrayals of sex I have ever read –made more erotic by the fact it actually happened, by the detached journalist style of writing; and by the fact he uses no pictures. The power of words is far greater than pictures because they engage the imagination. If I were a literary agent I would put Jaguar and Bwana Dik’s writing at opposite ends of the spectrum: detailed and journalistic for Bwana, wry and humanist for Jaguar. Publishing anyone?

PICTURES: Speaking of photographs, I am sure many of you have found out that they are unnecessary. Not only do they often violate agreements with the various girls involved, but the do not accurately portray the power of the moment. The girls often end up looking less beautiful that in real life –particularly if their make up has been worn off, their hair is wet, or they have just woken up. While a beautiful girl who has just woken up may look good to us, on camera she looks dead (it’s a similar principle with weight: a voluptuous girl in person can appear fat on film).

Let me share something with all of you because I used to be in fashion photographer for some time in the 80’s. You take a 17 year old girl with perfect features and with flawless skin. Then you have make up and hair people transform her into what you are trying to get. Then you light her beautifully which is an art in itself, Then you shoot maybe 50-100 shots of her in various poses, and then you pick one shot out of those to print for your ad. As if that weren’t enough, the chosen shot gets sent to the lab where retouchers digitally whiten her teeth –or change the color of her pupils.

The reason I am telling all this is that our little point-and-shoot cameras can never do justice to a woman’s beauty -especially under the chaotic circumstances of a terma. Rating these pictures is also unnecessary because of the general difficulty of getting a good shot, as well as the fact that one man’s 7 is another man’s 9.
Posting pictures is also a form of sharing: when you share, the last thing you need is to have your taste criticized.

That said. I have enjoyed most of the pictures that all of you have taken, but as Sexual Depravity illustrates, you don’t need any pictures to make your point.

WORDS: Many newbies always ask where are the hottest girls or the best places to go etc, etc. I speak a few languages including Spanish and Portuguese and I can tell you this: It doesn’t matter. The language proficiency will dictate you best choice. Here is a quick rule of thumb. The better you language skills the more you can venture afield. What does this mean?

If you don’t speak a word of Port just stick to the termas and you will be fine. The great thing about termas is that chemistry is everything. You “see what you get” plus you get a chance to sit there and kiss and find out if she is the one you want to take up to the room. Plus she is already dressed sexy and she is up with her energy because she is there with her girlfriends and the music is playing etc. It’s really the best of both words for both her and you.
Once your language skills get better you can experiment more with the escorts, or just go to normal bars and nightclubs to meet people. One of the great motivations I have found to learn the language, is reading the reviews on different girls on the Brazilian boards. You learn all kinds of lingo, naughty words, and it’s fun. Of course, to get there it helps to have taken at least some formal lessons.

In sum, I would say that if your gut instinct tells you that you will likely go back to Rio, BA, or Cartagena because you have fallen in love with the place, you owe it to yourself to improve you skills in the language. It will add immeasurably to your enjoyment of the women.

LOVE: Speaking of falling in love, I have seen some abusive voices on this -and especially on the WSG site -from guys who fell in love with girls only to be betrayed by them. Here are a few thoughts on this issue.

Girls fall into three broad categories. The full time GP, the part time students, and the professional or mom who turns a few tricks on the side. Before we go and talk about these it’s important to remember that in an economically volatile situation like Brazil, where only 25% of its citizens live in anything approaching middle class, the remainder 75% will at one point or another turn to prostitution to supplement their means. In addition, prostitution is legal, and culturally acceptable since Brazilians are not hung up about sex.

Some International Pleasure Travelers have been known to fall in love and send money to the girl to keep her out of the trade. This is ridiculous and will only cause you to be hurt and angry. If you want to spend money on a girl on a regular basis you should do it by inviting her to the States, and enrolling her in school where you can teach her a trade and English -both of which will improve her chances in life. Sending money to Brazil to keep you girl out of Help is futile. It’s a form of welfare. Plus long distance relationships don’t work whether they are Chicago-LA or New York–Rio.

Secondly, you have to know whom you are sending the money to. If you are sending monthly checks to a girl that hasn’t even finished high school, has not trade or education, and may have a child, then it will be hard to keep her out of Help or the Termas. However if you are paying her tuition in Law School or Medical School then you have a different type of girl and it’s OK to invest in her. But again, don’t expect them to go without sex for 8 months till you return just because you are helping them out.

Finally, even after a girl graduates from college, the problem is that in much of Latin America the salaries are not high. Starting salaries for lawyers in Brazil are about 500 Reais per month. Those with experience, 1000. It’s no wonder that even professional people sometimes turn to the Programa -especially if they have a child or are helping support other members of the family.

AGE: Guys, let’s all get a grip on the age issue. While Latin women can easily handle a 20 year age difference more naturally than in the US, much more than that and you are pushing it. Latin girls grow up with a lot of responsibility. So a 29 year old girl is the equivalent of an American 39. If you are a guy who is 50 but still has the zest and body of a 40 years old, then what actually separates you and your honey is one year!

However, don’t expect 22 year olds to fall in love with you if you are 65.
There is something to be said for “age appropriateness” Even if they like you and have great sex with you, a woman over thirty is far smarter, sexier, and a better companion for a guy over 50 than a 22 year old or a 19 year old.

That said, many girls actually prefer older guys because they find younger guys immature and pushy.


THE POWER OF CITIES: of all the destinations listed, the key ones tend to be large cities. In our hemisphere Rio and Buenos Aires stand out. Why?

Look at it this way. The city of Rio de Janeiro has three times as many people as the country of Costa Rica: 12 million people. That a lot of people to party with! Plus there is a lot of competition and a lot of variety.

But the main reason why Rio –and especially Buenos Aires- are the top is that they are both very sophisticated cities! Nobody on the board ever talks about that. In addition to the beaches and the mountains, and the beautiful women, both Rio and Buenos Aires have incredible music, theatre and art. You can easily go to a concert, then stop in at a nearby terma or favorite GP after the show. Those of you that dismiss the Centro of Rio as run down and dangerous obviously haven’t been to the national theatre where all of Rio’s “society people” show up. You really owe it to yourself to take advantage of this incredible bounty that is only found in large cities. I mean, do you really think that the Dominican Republic or Costa Rica can ever bring in the Rolling Stones or the Berlin Philharmonic?

AMBASSADORS: yes guys, like it or not, we all act as representatives of our countries. If we behave like jerks, manhandle the girls (because they are “whores”) don’t understand anything they are saying because we haven’t bothered to learn any words in their language, throw our money around like maniacs…we are not giving a very good impression of our country.

We represent the face of America and as long as that face is attractive it helps all of us (including the girls) get more out of life.

Hi Winegod
Firstly you have some interesting thoughts and you express them well. As for stop calling ourselves mongers and invent a new title like IPT, I like the term monger it suggests that we don't take ourselves to seriously which is not a bad thing.
I also like what you wrote about pictures. I don't get my jollies taking pictures. Most of the time I just take a few for my travel report, although there have been exceptions, sometimes the girls really get into it and that can be fun, but I agree with what you write about the quality of pictures. In general I can't seem to capture the moment and the pictures of the girls very seldom live up to my memories.

Thank you for some serious food for thought.

This certainly isn't a trip report. Just another guy who is going to tell you how to monger, and worse how you should report it. Gee another ex-fashion photographer or ex model talent scout on hombre, imagine that?

Not sure what God's point was given his scattershot of points and poor organization of thoughts. Though I must say the tone was clear, I do feel like I was talked down to.

As for me, I say bring on all the trip report: high brow or low brow, relevant or irreverant. Just call those reports out which contain bullshit and misinformation.

I love the pics here and, contrary to Mr. God, think they are extremely valuable in forming an idea of what the girls look like in a venue. Plus they are entertaining as hell. Give us credit Mr. God, I think most people here appreciate the difference between some party pics with a point and click digital camera and and FHM photo shoot.

Hell I post with spelling errors and grammatical mistakes all the time. Doesn't mean the info and content are any less valuable or accessible. BTW what the hell does "Alse" mean in your trip report title?

Have fun at the Opera house God, you won't see me there as I will having my fun down at the whorehouse.

Yours Truly,

Monger X

(Note not International Pleasure Traveler X)

This is an odd collection of random, pointless, and condescending thoughts.

Similar tone as Roblaw, though the information is somewhat correct.

"Sending money to Brazil to keep you girl out of Help is futile. It’s a form of welfare."
Well said I could not agree more.

I think this is a pretty interesting post. I wonder though where on earth WineGod came from all of a sudden with such a depth of knowledge.

My question is this... if an veteran such as Irishrover made this post, would we criticize him for talking down to us?

I like the welfare analogy by the way. Well said.

Yes, I agree with everything too.

It justs seems like one big summary of points and issues already written about many times on this website, which is why I said it was odd and random. The only thing missing is a section on "Feelings".

Besides, no self-respecting straight male would ever admit to being in the fashion industry.

Very interesting indeed. I enjoyed particularly the pictures and word section. Good post.

Arellius... you are correct, any self respecting authoritative post would include a section on feelings.

Gentlemen,

God damn it, somebody finally says something flattering about me and you guys jump all over the poor bastard. Hope he stays on and says more positive things about BD, Thumper and me; I don't know about BD and Thumper, but I need the positive reinforcement.

WineGod, thank you for the kind words and welcome to the board. It's a wonderful support group; quite similar to the audience on the Jerry Springer Show without the fat women.

Jag

(Message edited by jaguar on September 08, 2006)

Jag has retired from writing trip reports so we are always looking for a few good authors.

Well you all may have been satisfied, but frankly I was disappointed because there was no detailed section on what Winegod wore each day of his visit to BA.

What's a trip report without a fashion section? Even Jag is famous for his pink shirts, not to mention his conjugal visits by Mrs. Sasquatch.

SF Hombre,

Fuck you, I don't always wear pink shirts; remember, sometimes I wear the "24" jersey just to vary my wardrobe.

I've finally found a foolproof method of stopping MBL from using my Mitchem deoderant; I switched to SECRET roll-on. It works like a charm! BTW, I'm referring to her; on me, SECRET works like shit. Although I stink, at least she smells good.

Jag

KJ,

I haven't given up writing entirely, just temporarily. My fucking new version 9 of Dragon NaturallySpeaking really messed up my computer to the point that it froze up. It took me six hours to figure out how to uninstall it, so now I'm back to typing with one finger at a time.

I'm in the process of revising and condensing my next four reports into one paragraph to keep some board members happy. It's a difficult process, especially since I have a tendency to use run-on sentences, so please bear(or is it bare?) with me.

Jag

Jag

How do you stop her from using your Depends?

SF Hombre,

That depends......

Jag

Monger X...
First let me say i have enjoyed your post and pics, thank you!

You wrote "Not sure what God's point was given his scattershot of points and poor organization of thoughts. Though I must say the tone was clear, I do feel like I was talked down to. "

I am not sure if this went over your head and why you sounded a little defensive....but

I found it it well written and appreciated his views on Rio and BA.

Another point you missed in regards to Picture taking, He wasnt saying that pictures should not be posted, DUH! He was saying that alot goes in to the photo proccess when it comes to the real snazzy pictures we see a the end of the day.....and that these girls are more pretty in person than what we see from our snap and shoot Pics....no where did it say not to post pictures...

Going out to the whore house is awesome! Going out to the whore house and also catching something that is culturally entertaining and educational is even better...IMHO

I have only one significant disagreement with Winegod's post, which otherwise seems to be on target. That is there is no mention of Sao Paulo. Particularly if live music, good restaurants and cultural activities are part of the attraction of a city, and prime mongering the primary attraction, Sao Paulo has to rate up there, IMHO higher than either Rio or Buenos Aires. I'm beginning to believe that when it comes to live music, there is no better city in the world than Sao Paulo. And, I would be hard pressed to place Rio above Sao Paulo for mongering, and between Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires it is no contest.

OTOH, Rio has the beach and scenery, and Buenos Aires a certain charm that Sao Paulo doesn't have.

Wow, I was going to type nearly the same thing last night.

Good post written in an articulate, well-thoughtout manner (which is more than can be said for some posters... i know i'm close to braindead but some posts really make me wonder if it was written by an alien who is not familiar with any type of human language)... Although I dont agree with some of the comments Winegoodie made, I didnt find him to be condescending... His opinions are just that, his opinions... And I welcome his input...

Brassilero: A good rationale for why schoolchildren need to learn proper English. Little Johnny needs to know it will help him later in life when he wants to post on a mongerer board. Add this to the primary rationale for learning a foreign language in school, i.e., so you can talk to the hookers when you grow up (if my Spanish teacher had told me this, I might have actually paid attention in class and learned something!).

I would like to know if the post MitchC almost made (similar to LAGuys) would have been as wordy?

Gents,

I guess I just have to weigh in here with one comment that no one else seems to have noticed:

No matter how you look at or read Winegod's post, THIS IS NOT A TRIP REPORT!

Since this is not a trip report it does not belong in this section.


On a side note:

I will always be in bewilderment as too why anyone would want to support, let alone marry an established whore. Why would anyone marry a terma girl who has had countless dicks in all holes when with just a bit more effort one could find a non-pro girl in almost any third world country that would make a better wife (if marriage is one's ultimate goal that is.)


Cheers,


Cubanut

Cubanut,

I definitely boggles the mind.

You know the old saying if it flies, floats or fucks you are better off renting. That goes for pros and non-pros. IMO, there is no such thing as a non-pro. If you are in a 3rd world country and the LN is interested in you she ain't a non-pro and you are just a gringo with an ego and in denial.

It ain't any different with the girls you meet in the clubs in the states. You and they may not think they are whores but if you can pick one up after buying a few drinks and take her home and nail her. I'm sure she ain't a virgin and probably gets stroked by a different guy every night.

Snooky

What difference does it make how many times a week a girl has sex and the number of partners she has? Look in the mirror.

I do agree that prostitutes make a very poor choice for a life partner, but then, so do we.

Honestly, I have stopped reading all these reports and just go straight for the pictures. All of the reports seem to be repetitive after a while and contain the usual information. What I really want to know is if I will be attracted to the ladies when I go. That is by far the most important information for myself. If I am not attracted to the ladies, then it will not work out for me in the end.

Whatever report that is posted in whatever form, I respect it. Pictures or no pictures. Fancy .pdf attachment type report or a one paragraph type with no pictures. Rapper gangsta style or some british style type along with cheerio or whatever slogans they use.

This isnt grade school where we are going to throw a red F on your report for some odd reason. However you choose to communicate to us is up to you. Thank you once again.


(Message edited by ironeagle on September 10, 2006)

Smit,

I've been saying that for years, it's not a glass house most of us should throw stones around.

Interesting thoughts, interestingly stated. Thanks for upping the level of discourse for a few minutes, WG. I must admit that "monger" does not fit my conception of myself, but neither does "international pleasure traveller." "Cachorro Safado" works for me.

I agree with Snooky.

Bwana, that's my favorite also, Bravo!

Bwana, you left out "sem vergonha"!

Instead of "Monger" I like to describe myself as a guy who loves to have lots of sex with lots of women who like to have lots of sex with men and/or women often with the added bonus of earning money. This simply does not lend itself to a cute one word description or acronym.
Instead of monger, I suggest that the correct moniker "is a guy who likes to put his weenie into a woman's vagina, anus, mouth, or between her breasts or hands and blow a milky substance out of his peehole." If anyone can make a cutesy acronym out of this description, more power to you.

I log onto ClubHombre for the first time in a week, with a freshly poured alcoholic bevy of choice at my side, expecting to be entertained by the latest version of whose 'yogurt chucker' splattered who, when BAMMMMM(er)!!!! - WineGod's report lands squarely on my screen.

Much like the infamous RIO SHIT FLINGERS, WineGod has slung his wisdom all over my virtual loafers. Just like his juevenile counterparts, he immediately offers to remove our stigmatic labels and polish our collective images with a spiffy new title - "International Pleasure Travelers".

And when we don't immediately pay homage to his work? What next?? Thank GOD for people as noble as GCL who will rise to the occasion and protect us from these rabble rousers, and even throw in a little humor, albeit at the expense of the refreshingly less articulate like Mitch.

And to think I actually missed "Confederacy of Dunces" to surf the web tonight.

SF-

Sem vergonha, com orgulho!

Doesn't look like either the advice or the term IPT is taking hold here. Suggest Winegod start a website named: ClubIPT. Here are some suggested Topic Areas:

Rio: The Arts
Rio: Galleries
Rio: Text only no detail descriptions of encounters
BA: The Arts
BA: Galleries
BA: Text only no detail descriptions of encounters
Columbia: Rural report
Man Yogurt: Off topic subjects

Sign me up!