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So what are regular German girls like? I'm into petite blondes, but German girls have a reputation for being cold frigid linebackers!

Bomboa:

I sent you a PM.

Girls STD screening in FKK clubs. Excerpts from posters on another board:

Poster 1: After I had a condom break with a girl I got a little nervous, went to the front desk, and asked how often the girls are tested and what for. The manager told me that I have to ask the girl, because the management of the club has nothing to do with testing the girls. This sounded strange and I wonder if she understood what I was asking, but I can’t imagine what else she might have understood. I thought all FKK clubs in Germany had mandatory testing.

Poster 2: Definitely no mandatory testing. If a girl wants to test herself then it is purely voluntary. Obviously a club will not want a girl who is known to be infected, but apart from this it's a question of buyer beware. Condoms are the only real defence - especially with the increasing availablity (outside FKK) of condomless sex including anal and gangbangs.

Best days to visit FKK's?

I was thinking about heading to Frankfurt in November for a couple of days. What are your thoughts on going during this time?

I was thinking maybe a Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday run and then back on Monday. Are FKK's open Sunday?

Also, has the FKK that closed re-opened, or is it closed for good now?

Xenono:

FKK's are open on Sundays. Sunday as a last full day would be anti-climactic, so I would recommend Wednesday-Thursday-Friday-Saturday instead, flying back on Sunday. If November can become September, you get to enjoy the outdoors which adds to the experience.

FKK Atlantis remains closed, possibly permanently. The ones to do in Frankfurt now are World (probably worth 2 visits), Palace, and Oase. Peter29 is in a better position to recommend some of the smaller ones.

I really look forward to hear your impressions of that scene.

Thanks for the heads up Sabio. I will probably do as you suggest regarding the days. As far as the dates, I am not so sure. But thanks again!

I guess I am the expert on the small clubs.

November is good for FKK's. You miss the outdoor facilities and action of Oase and World, but all the talent is there (many of the girls take summer vacations).

If you are going to Frankfurt I do not necessarily suggest to take the 2.5 hour drive up to the Düsseldorf area for great clubs like Wildenrath, Happy Garden and Golden Time, but you should definitely have a balance to the mega clubs of Frankfurt. Some say that Sauna world in gorgeshausen has come back close to the level that Fantasyland was once at. that is only about an hour from Frankfurt.

To the Düsseldorf clubs, definitely avoid them on Sundays, there is nothing going on and you will have an unnecessarily bad opinion.

Just go, you will have a great time. When you get closer to the date send me a pm, maybe I can get you more info

Check out my pro's and Cons Report in the club guides FAQ section. It explains a lot of the clubs. Of course Atlantis is still included although it is closed.

Peter29,

That sounds intriguing. I may just make a six day trip out of this and try Wildenrath, Happy Garden, and Golden. Then make my way back down to Frankfurt and finish off with Palace, World and Oase.

Peter29 or Sabio. From what I understand Frankfurt is a medium sized town of 630,000. But with Rammsteim and Rhein-Main Air Base nearby and my reading that the population of Frankfurt doubles during the workday when people commute from all over to work in the city, is there a scene in Frankfurt worth exploring at all?

Or is just better to stick to the FKK’s?

Xenono:

If you are talking about a "scene" as in additional sex scene, I have read only horror stories about Frankfurt's RLD so I never even ventured out there. If you are talking about non-sex activities, Peter29 posted very good information in chat which I copied in one of the posts above.

BTW, Peter29's expertise is by no means limited to small clubs.

Xenono,

The pay 4 Play scene in Frankfurt is not good other than the new FKK called Palace within the city limit. The 2 RLD's are fun to walk through and see all the girls in the doorways and such, but it is a rip off zone. I know one girl who worked for 2 years in one of these Eros Centres and did not have sex one single time. she faked BJ's and Full Sex. Avoid those places at all costs, other than to walk through.

The FKK's Oase, World and Palace have about 80% of their customers from greater Frankfurt. it is just not in the city proper. If the people commute to work they will commute to hobby as well.

These out of town locations have some huge advantages. You are unlikely to have anyone see you walk in or out of the club, because they are sort of in the middle of nowhere. There is a lot more space, most of these places are huge houses or mansions, so the facilities are amazing. If the weather is good it is unbelieveable.

And Sabio, thanks for the compliment.

Folks,

I am planning another trip to Germany (greater Essen area and Frankfort) and would like to visit some different FKK than the usual Oase, Babylon, Happy Garden, etc. I have a rather long list of possibilities. If anyone has anything good or bad to say about a name on the list I would appreciate your help getting the number down to 10 or so. In return I will let you know about my experience when I get back.

FKK-Club Riemkerstr
La Bouche
FKK-Club Freudenbergstr 39
FKK-Club Arabella
Sauna Club Palm Beach
FKK Burg
Sauna Penelope
FKK-Club Dietzenbach
FKK-Club Heavensgate
FKK-Club Aplerbeck
Club Belami
FKK-Club Residenz
FKK-Club Penelope
FKK-Club Grimbergstr
Saunaclub Filou
FKK-Club Werderstr
FKK-Club La Rose
FKK-Club Mondial
Club Klein Paris
Parkschloß Dali
Club La-Luna
FKK-Colonia
Orchidee Club
FKK-Sauna Villa Romantika
Jenny´s Saunaclub
FKK Fantasia

Many thanks,
Hidalgo

I went to FKK-Club Dietzenbach. The price was cheaper, but there was a huge dip in girl quality and atmosphere when compared to the major FKKs. Unless you got time to burn, I would stick with the tried and true.

Don Marco,

Thanks for the reply. FKK-Club Dietzenbach is now on my short list.

I forgot to mention that I have 17 full days in November to burn. Most of that will be in the Koln-Essen-Dortmund area and I will visit my usual spots (DV, Babylon, Wiago, Happy Garden, Oedt). This time I want to do a bit of exploration even if that means I come back with a few bad experiences.

I have had a great time at very small clubs before like FKK Hern (now FKK Werderstr. ?????). I would like to avoid clubs with fewer than five girls. I like to stay in one place and do 3-fers if possible and I think you need at least 5 to pick from.

Anyway I have a car and am willing to try out some minor clubs in the interest of expanding our options. These names were listed on (http://www.kaleus-clubindex.de.vu/) with websites and pricing info that made them interesting. I'm looking for any good or bad experiences so I can trim the list. Again, when I return in December I will post my experience with each club.

Thanks again,
Hidalgo

Given your length of stay, putting the smaller FKKs in the agenda certainly won't hurt. They will be good for the days you need to rest up and only want a session or two. Dietz wasn't bad at all-- they had 1-2 that were around a 8 and a couple solid 7s. Atmosphere wasn't all that great, you basically all lounge around an indoor pool. One thing to note is that there are 3-4 beds per room. You can be doing your thing and have a flow of people going in and out meanwhile. It didn't bother me too much, but it does take some getting used to.

Don Marco,

Thanks again for the quick reply. The multi bed room is an interesting twist and might have thrown me off without your warning.

I usually spend a good part of the day at an FKK and between sessions I would have liked to have gone out into the garden and read a book. I've never seen anyone do that. I've assumed that was because the opporators don't like you going back into your locker. Any expereince?

Lastly, I always us my own condoms in Thailand and Mexico. They tend to use the one size fits all low quality crap and I've never had any problems with the girls accepting my own supply. I would like to do the same in Germany. Have you ever tried this in an FKK?

Hidalgo

Most of the places I saw had areas that you coulda chilled out and read. I never saw one FKK that minded you going to your locker-- not an issue based on my sampling.

As for condoms, German condoms were very good quality unlike other locales. I didn't feel the need to use my own and never suffered a tear (I've had plenty of tears in asia). I don't think it would be an issue, but it would be up the the girl. You may look funny walking around in a towel holding condoms all day


(Message edited by donmarco on August 27, 2004)

Don Marco,

I agree that it might look funny walking around an FKK with a string of condoms but a good laugh with the ladies is always a great way to initiate a GFE.

BTW, I am new to the site and enjoyed your trip reports on FKK and Asia. I've enjoyed Thailand and look forward to my first time in AC this Spring. Perhaps I will tap you for some specific advise before I make that trip.

Hidalgo

Hidalgo,

Here are my thoughts to your list:

FKK-Club Riemkerstr
La Bouche

Don’t Know

FKK-Club Freudenbergstr 39

Red Carpet Club. Cheap but can be OK.

FKK-Club Arabella

Also RCC, no experience, but can have decent chicks.

Sauna Club Palm Beach
FKK Burg
Sauna Penelope

Don’t Know

FKK-Club Dietzenbach

RCC in Frankfurt, same applies.

FKK-Club Heavensgate

New and clean club. Calibre of the girls can vary. I have been there at least 4 times. A little out of the way, excellent facilities, but have never enjoyed myself there or had a good session. I did screw the manager once when she was still working at F35 in Frankfurt. Now she acts like she is too good to have ever been a whore.

FKK-Club Aplerbeck

Club with an extremely German Nationalistic woman working the bar, strange because she is eastern European. If you are a minority of any sort you will not get into this place. Girls I have seen that have worked there are nothing o write home about.

Club Belami
FKK-Club Residenz
FKK-Club Penelope
FKK-Club Grimbergstr

I think all 4 are RCC’s. It is a chain. Go onto the homepage of anyone and in the top left corner is the link to the map where all the clubs are listed. They are all basically using the same method. Some are made for German Customers, some are for all and some are for the ethnic customers (Penelope is for Turks, while Freudenberg 39 is for Germans only. Freudenberg 38, which is right next to 39 used to be for sex without condom, but they have cancelled that I think)

Saunaclub Filou
FKK-Club Werderstr
FKK-Club La Rose

Don’t Know

FKK-Club Mondial

In Cologne. Used to belong to the same people who own Cocoon and Tropicana. Now it is owned by someone else, who has renovated. So the price structure might be different than listed in Kaleu’s site. Not a lot of girls on site from what I have heard.

Club Klein Paris

Don’t Know

Parkschloß Dali

Excellent club. Probably the biggest club around, in an old convent, with absolutely immaculate facilities. Girls can range from so so to amazing. It takes about 1 hour to get there from Dortmund, and it is officially in the middle of nowhere, but it is worth a visit.

Club La-Luna

Don’t Know

FKK-Colonia

I think they are closed in the meantime

Orchidee Club

Near Düsseldorf, but have never heard anything good about it.

FKK-Sauna Villa Romantika

If this is the one in Hannover it might be OK. I have heard some good things about that place, but the prices are much higher than either the Frankfurt or Düsseldorf area. If it is some other club then I have never heard of it.

Jenny´s Saunaclub

Don’t Know

FKK Fantasia

Has closed in the meantime.


In conclusion, The only one’s I can recommend trying in any way are Parkschloss Dali and the Red Carpet Clubs.

The RCC’S are a good low cost alternative, but they can be hit or miss. There are a lot of girls that work there, if you run into a good one you can have a good time. But beware that these girls are giving BBBJ and FS for 20€ for 20 minutes in a lot of these clubs and sometime the service is what you would expect at that cost. If you have luck and good rapport with a girl you can have an excellent time, but don’t expect top calibre service from all the girls. I have had girls who have handy-wiped my cock prior to a lacklustre BJ, and I have had girls who have performed a world class BBBJ to CIM for 40€, all on the same day in the same club. The RCC’s have no real amenities, they are just places to screw.

Park Schloss Dali is an excellent club although in the middle of nowhere. I know they are open until very late. Worth a trip, but I cannot guarantee the calibre of girls.

I don’t know much about most of the other clubs because they are 3rd tier clubs. They are not well known and most have less than 5 girls on per shift. I would not advise hitting a lot of those, but one or two might be interesting if you are into some Research and development work. But judging by what you are looking for in an FKK experience I cannot recommend any of those other clubs.

The better deal is to stick to one club a day, that way you are only investing the entrance fee once, and your cost per session will go down. Club Hopping seems like a good idea, but since the calibre of women can vary day to day it does not guarantee a better time. If you go to a club like Planet Happy Garden you will find about 50 girls, and probably about 10 you would like to do. If you hit 4 a day, you can spend 3 days there repeat 2 and be fully satisfied.

Clubs like Wildenrath and Goldetime should also be able to swallow a whole day. Even though I am not blown away by the women, Schieferhof is the granddaddy of all clubs and the service level is excellent. They usually have 15 girls on shift, and in my two trips there there have always been at least 2 or 3 I have liked. The service is excellent, which means that CIM and BBBJ on the couch prior to the session is included in the base price of 50€ per session. There is also no real time limit, as long as you stay under 45 minutes, it is all one session. It has the highest entry fee at 70€ but with multiple sessions including all the service offered it becomes a bargain.

That is my advice, head it if you want. But write a report.

Peter

Peter,

Thanks, this is just what I was looking for! I intend to spend 10 of 17 days in the clubs that I have been to before and had great service. The rest of the time I want to explore even if it means a bad session or two. I've never been to the RCCs but will put a few of them on my list as well as Park Schloss Dali.

I will definately write the report when I get back in December. I would add my old notes from previous trips but they are to clubs that have been reported on by others.

Beyond the physical pleasure, the fun for me is the exploration. For example, having sex on a house boat in Utrecht was a blast.

Hidalgo

FKK Admission Question

I read that Atlantis (re-opening Thursday?) has admission fee that is good for the day, so you could leave and return later that day. Is this standard or an exception. If not standard, what other FKKs have a similar policy?

This is pretty much standard. mention that you plan to return when you leave. Some clubs leave the armband on some give you a stamp, some just remember you.

Peter

I read in one of the posts to avoid a visit to the FKKs on a sunday. I am transitting in FRA and will be spending a sunday night in FRA. Should I reschedule to see some action?

I have a free night at the Sheraton Offenbach
Am Buesing Palais, Berliner Strasse 111Frankfurt/Offenbach 63065. How far is this place from World or Atlantis?

What is the dress code for guest in the clubs? I kind of got from the first post that we wear colored towels. Not sure what that was all about.

Anyone going to be in FRA on 14th Nov?

I have been reading some posts here and at some other places and I also have a buddy who said he just got back from some Frankfurt area clubs.

He mentioned he got a warm-up BBBJ in most of the Frankfurt area clubs and that he never really got a knock on the door for a strict enforcement of the thirty minute time limit. Then Peter also mentions that Schieferhof is good for this as well (Warm-up BBBJ not counting against the time). But I am getting the impression that at Planet Happy Garden and at Wildenrath this is not so much the case. That is, strict enforcement of the time limit and no warm-up BBBJ or DFK on the couch before?

Is this an accurate assessment?

Xen-- there is no set policy or common practices. When your lounging about things kinda flow along. Some lead to a warm up bbbj, some do not... I'm sure it depends on the girl, you, lunar positioning, etc, etc.

I never noticed any of the gals from the different fkks around frankfurt watching the clock, but then again I didn't make em work an hour before I popped a nut.

Same with DFK-- some are into it and some are not. I suggest hoping on the plane and seeing for yurself rather than bog yourself down with these petty details

You're right, but I am trying to plan out which 6 or 7 clubs would be the best to visit during my time there. I want to make the most of the trip (I always do) so I want to get the highest mileage I can given the bigger expense of going to and fucking in Germany.

Xeno,

It is more a girl to girl thing and not a club to club thing. The Frankfurt Clubs, Schieferhof and Babylon/Wiago are all big into the couch action thing. In Frankfurt it pretty much counts to your total time, depending on the girl. In the Schieferhof there is no real time limit for anything that takes under 50 minutes, it is all one session. In the clubs Planet Happy Garden, Wildenrath and Goldentime there is no warm up couch action. In Wildenrath you can have semi-public action upstairs and in Goldentime it is possible outdoors or in the Kino. I have never really experienced major clock watching, but then again since the second half hour is only 25€ in these 3 clubs it is a lot cheeaper to go overtime here than in the Frankfurt Clubs.

If I were to do your trip I would probably do:

Either Palace or Oase in the Frankfurt Area
World - Just to see the facilities
Schieferhof - A History lesson
Planet Happy Garden early followed by Wildenrath Later (Open til 4 AM)
Some Red Carpet Clubs like Freudenberg 39 in Bochum
And then another day at whichever one was your favourite.

Again, PM me, I can see how I can meet up with you. A scout is a good idea, they know which girls to avoid and which ones not to miss.

On Friday 21 January I’m arriving at Frankfurt airport about noon (on my way home from a trip to Italy), and want to devote the weekend to nearby FKK clubs – must sample the European version of termas, one of the world’s greatest inventions. I’ll be there Friday thru Sunday, and fly out early Monday.

I’ve never been to Germany, and don’t speak the language, so getting around should be a bit of an adventure. Judging from posts, World and Oase (and maybe Palace?) are the primary targets, what with Atlantis being out of commission. Sounds like World is my best bet on Sunday.

Can anybody recommend a clean and economical hotel or B&B near World or Oase? Doesn’t make much sense to me to stay in the city and then drive for hours to get to the clubs and back. Per trip reports, I thought I’d try sixti for a rental car.

Any advice for a Frankfurt newbie appreciated.

Tujanga,

Rent a car under www.sixt.de, if you have a credit card which gives you insurance coverage then make sure you decline the insurance in the homepage. Otgherwise the Hertz site is pretty good too.

To find a hotel go to www.hrs.de, it offers the best deals for hotels, especially the small sort. Just give in the address of whatever club you want to visit and it will give you a list of hotels, and rates. It works well.

Make sure you rent a car with Navigation System, you can request it at Sixt, on the home page, but it is only standard on Mercedes Models, so make sure you book at least the Mercedes A-Klass category. also make sure you understand and can use the navigation BEFORE leaving the parking lot.

Also, read D'artagnan and Xeneno's reports, they are excellent.

I prefer Oase to World, but just on the calibre of girls. But those 3 clubs are the best in the Frankfurt area.

Have Fun!