Randall, did I read your post correctly?

I don't know guys, she could be rich and beautiful, tough combo to beat. Besides, the phrase "double standard" comes to mind. Afterall, whore mongers and whores have a lot in common.

Happiness is all that counts, if they're happy, more power to them.

Everybody,
If a Mexican guy marries any whore, I tip my hat to him. He can just stay at home and be her bitch. It's not like she's going to put him to work and make money. .lol. Mexican guys like at are from the old school, they get the Westfargo award.
However, I could never for any reason condone any American marrying a Mexican whore. American men are why to whimpy to marry Mexican women. But a whore!

I too am dieing to hear Randalls story.

Westfargo...

Sometimes I envy the guy who married Joanna. If it's you, Randall, more power to you!

One night, I bumped into Alva. She grabbed my left hand and looked at my ring finger. She said "I thought you married your little friend?". I said it wasn't me and she was genuinely surprised.

Heres the story, one night at ab two years ago i was there 11:00 or so,had a couple of beers and next thing i know i wake up with some chica.I HAD BEEN DRUGED!I don't know how,i only drink beer and i don't know how many girls i was with or what. I went back downstairs, sat at the bar and tried to get my shit together as i was dizzy as hell. This chica across the bar comes over and askes me to go upstairs. All i want to do a this point is lay down, i can hardly make it up the stairs.She want's her money up front, I look in my wallet and see i only have $20. She jumps up from the bed and goes through my wallet and pants and come up with $48. She takes $5 puts it in my pants and said this is for a taxi back to the boarder and says, i don't want to go back downstairs tonight just stay here with me and sleep, you will get into trouble if you go back downstairs.So we wake up at the knock of the door at 6:00am and she tells me to wait out front while she cashes in her drink tickets. She comes down gives me her phone # and puts me in a taxi.I get home and call her the same day and set up an out date and see her every week for two months.I then tell her I can't see her anymore because i have no money left, she says she loves me and i don't have to pay her any more.

Since then i have met many of her friends at their homes in their life style and I know i met a diamond in the rought.She dosn't drink. smoke or use drugs and has always dreamed of a normal life in the usa.
I think thats what they all think in the begining, but the lifestyle they live takes them future into drugs,mental promlems ect.
Any way were happy and doing great, but what a bunch of bullshit with the INS (THATS ANOTHER STORY).

Westfargo, i know most of your facts are true,but i think you need to get over your jaded past.It reminds me or natzi germany ( kill all the jews but let me fuck your women and daughters first).I had five mexicans in TJ hold me down and kick my balls in for $15,but what am i going to do, hate all Mexicans that have been kind to me and welcomed me in thier homes and feed me?

OK change the word from kill to hate.

Randall, if you were taking Viagra it would
explain why you thought you were drugged. I
had an allergic reaction to Viagra and had
some of the same symptoms. Sometimes it is
the Viagra and alcohol combination ...but Im
glad it apparently turned out really good in
your romantic life...after hearing about guys
having so many rather sad experiences I am
pleased to hear a story of how a Mexican girl
did good....

Doctorgood, you could be wright, as it was the second time i had taken viagra. I have taken it many times since with no problem.

Diego i didnt call anyone a nazi, you took it out of text to fuel your own fire.

Never marry a hooker. They have years of deep seated psychological damage that they'be been hiding. You just never know what the future holds. Unless she has undergone years of therapy (which most hookers haven't done) she is not normal. You see, a whore has a terrible life. They have given up one of the most sacred things in the catholic faith, their body and their spirit. Old Dirty smelly men pay her $$ to spread her legs. Some girls go home and vomit every night to get out the bad memories, but to no avail. Some girls take drugs to numb the truth. Some girls fool themselves (and you too) and pretend it never happened. These hookers have no self respect and consider themlselves less of value than another normal non prostitute. Thus, they have no future. They become drug addicts. They get gang boyfriends who slap them around. So....what's a girl to do? The girl has been trained my her profession to manipulate men. Her goal if possible, is to marry an American to take her away from her horrible life.

I don't know why I'm drawing atencion to your obvious idiocy by commenting on your post, but exactly how many retired hookers have you become close to that qualifies you to make such blanket judgments?

Johnnyb you are 70% wright, 30% wrong.
If you look at yourself as a john and no less a good person than her, you might find that 30%.
There are alot of good girls hooking only because it is a last resort to help them and thier family. But you are wright, the longer they hook, the more jaded they become and soon or later they end up crazy and on drugs.

Threat them all with respect and as if they were your girlfriend and you'll get lower prices and better sex.

Sorry Johnnyb, but you are about as far out there as one can be with that generalization.
No flame intended but you are way off.

Johnny
You are 75 per cent right.They live across the border from disneyland and they know what money can buy for themselves and their families.They also are trying to marry a american but only a wealthy one.
Porker like you I feel for the hookers at adelitas(heck I am living with one of their alcoholics).The booze and the drugs are easily available and most of the girls abuse them.You might be lucky and only know the girls not either drug abusers or alcoholics but their really are very few,it goes with the territory.I do tend to only know the night girls.Maybe it is much different with the day girls but I doubt it.

Johnny,

Have you actually married a chica and therefore you are speaking from personal experience? My girl has very few of the traits which you describe, as she can drink me under the table easily.

Of course, when I was younger and a bartender, I could easily have polished off a quart of Stoly without much problem. But I stopped working in the bar and consequently stopped my boozing as well.

Is there any reason to think that she cannot do the same when she retires? I'll find out very soon as she is quitting the business this week. She has been in the profession for about ten years so by your estimation, she is well jaded.

The funny thing is, even though I would have married her tomorrow, she is not interested unless a long courtship takes place first. And then, only if she really loves me will she ever consider marriage.

Not all chicas are drug addicts and gold diggers, however the warnings are appropriate because many are. At least mine doesn't seem to be. Family and honesty are two of her most important priorities in life.

Merican
I am in a similar situation.I am having trouble getting my chica off the booze.She is messed up from working in the zona for a few years and her family is not the best.If your chica has been in the business for ten years you know that she is one hard,tough chica.
Many of the girls lately have been telling me they are looking to get married.Even Tanya has told me for the last two weeks every time I see and talk to her that she is looking to get married.Tall Patricia has told me she is involved and might be leaving soon for good.I still miss Gabby too.
Marriage is a big step that I will not take for a long time.I wish you luck.

Whoever finally lands Tanya will be one lucky guy. I think I would have pursued her if I had not met my girl already.
Tanya has a great attitude towards life in general and I cannot say as I've ever seen her drunk in the bar.

These chicas are hardened similar to steel and make us seem like we are made of pastry when it comes to their will.

It has been a battle learning when to stand firm and when to give in to her. But her retirement is extremely stressing for her and it shows in the arguements we have had recently over seemingly stupid little things.

My guess is that I'll never actually be able to marry her given her feelings on the subject and her experience with married men.

She wants some time by herself back home before we start up again as she says she needs to get the Hombres out of her system and become normal again.

It is hard to let go of her, but we all know that good things require hard work.

Specific, I hope everything works out for you. The best way to get her off of alcohol is a new occupation where she won't have to work with it.

Short of that, it is near impossible to get a drinker to stop.

Merican
I have tried to get her to stop going back to Adelitas but I can't.If she stays away for more than 3 days she just starts being crazy.She wants me to go with her but I can't go that much anymore.She even actually wants me to go upstairs
with other girls that she approves of.She wants me to have fun.I am not jealous of her going upstairs because I have never seen one of her customers come back into the bar with a smile on their face but I fear this relationship like the other one I had with a chica is probabably doomed.
I think alot of what Johnny says is true.Everything is easy at adelitas,money,drinks,
drugs and sex.That is hard for anyone, male or female to stay away from.

"It has been a battle learning when to stand firm and when to give in to her."

"the arguements we have had recently over seemingly stupid little things"

Damn, every girlfriend I've had must have been a hooker. There must be some assets to marrying a hooker.

To the guys who have prostitute girlfriends..thanks for being honest and telling your side. There seems to be a common thread in all these girls you mentioned...that certain kernel of her personality that is unpredictable. Years of prostituting their bodies can give one deep seated problems that even they themselves do not know about.

For me, i think its cheaper to buy the milk than to buy the cow.

JonnyB,

Years of marriage can give one deep seated problems that you do not acknowledge until a chica wakes up your love for life.

And even if you opt to buy the milk, you still end up subsidizing the farmer for the cow.

I have also been told that hookers have no self respect by the same people who said that men who solicit prostitutes have very low self esteem levels because they have lowered their standards.

My conclusion was that the people who say these things are either white females, or else are males who have never been with a chica, both of whom are most likely sexually inhibited.

The way I see it, I have raised my standards when it came to sexual pleasure and culture.

I'll admit that marrying a chica is a path which warrants extreme caution.

My plan is to go the therapist with her because we both need help.

Merican,

"I'll admit that marrying a chica is a path which warrants extreme caution."

I think marrying ANY woman warrants extreme caution!! Don't get me wrong, I'd love to walk down the primrose path with a mate, but.....

"My plan is to go the therapist with her because we both need help."

You may want to solve what's bugging you first, you're point of view may be different afterwards.

Just my humble opinion. Good luck.

ldv

I think the element that everyone is missing is the fact that these girls know they can make it with or without anyone. I happen to know a sweet beautiful girl who if I stop calling or seeing for more than a day or two will turn into something unsweet and not too beautiful. She is a single parent of 3, has been having kids since she was 16 or so, none of the fathers stuck around or provide any type of support and therefore she has developed this attitude that people owe her something. As much as I have tried, I know that we cannot have a normal relationship, I will never make her happy (since I do not own a money tree) and outside of having a good time today, there is no future in such a relationship. It's sad, because she has some good qualities which she keeps hidden under some deep rooted hardness. Too bad.

You are correct in pointing out that they know that they can make it without us. She and I have talked about this before. I also told her that a spouse should not be a necessity but instead your spouse should be a bonus to your life.

And right when you think you have things under control, all hell breaks loose. Today she treated me so rudely today that I walked out on her for the first time ever. This time I am going to be the one who plays hard to get.

She is always telling me to be strong in such circumstances so this time I am not going to give in until she starts showing some real emotions.

It really is too bad that she cannot control her case hardened exterior personality.

You can take the girl out of the bar, but you can't take the bar out of the girl......

There are many beautiful nice young chicas in TJ that you can select from so why marry a prostitute? Get out of the Zona and live for once!

Maybe the reason of why (marrying or just hooking upo with ...dating) a prostitute is that the issue that usually ends most relationships early (sex) is already out of the way and people can be themselfs from that point forward. The uglyness that is described here is obviously the most outstanding part of that type of a relationship, but there are (believe me) some very good qualities possesed by these girls sometimes. I know in my experience that I have experienced things that I never before imagined with a normal girl, let alone a working girl.
Give it a try sometime, it's got it's ups and downs, just keep your head screwed on right and don't put up with the b.s. and you'll be alright, and more educated for sure.

Nogi boy, Yes, i've heard that issue before. But then you must step back and say why is the guy attracted to her? Is it Sex? Is it her face and body? Let's face it....the guy wants the prostitute because he is attracted to her for sex, face, and body. If she didn't have this, would he still be attracted to her?

She is attracted to him because of $$.

I mean, take sex out of the equation and I don't think the guy would be attracted to her.

All I'm saying is don't marry her. When the divorce settlement comes, she'll own half of what you own. Instead, its better and cheaper to just go down and pay for your one night stands. I'd admit having a GF there is nice. But DO NOT marry a prostitute.

For the most part men are attracted to "non-working" girls because of their looks and sex. Women are attracted to successful/wealthy guys as well. I don't think the generalization about "providers" / mongers is much different than the so called straight life scenarios..

By the way, I'm going over to my friends for BBQ later today... He met her at CC, been married a couple of years.. I haven't seen their baby yet (a few months old).. Kind of feel like the godfather as he would have never gone to TJ on his own but tagged along a couple of times with me..

This chica was the 1st one he went up with (EVER).. What are the odds? ;o)

Let's flip this argument over to the chica's perspective.

"Sure this gringo has money, but he met me at a bar looking to pay for sex. He's been in bed with many of my friends. When we fight will he throw that in my face? When he goes out on a "business trip" how do I know what he is doing in that town? He says he loves me, but he also loves sex. How can I trust him?

All the men I've met in the clubs are no damn good. They think that if they give you money, they own you. They call us bitches, whores, and cunts when we can't please them. And when the newest cute girl comes along, they leave you. Why the hell should I marry someone who comes to Tijuana? Money? Not enough money in the world to be stuck with an asshole like that, 30 minutes was bad enough."

So, before we start slamming the girls as not good enough for us, we might want to consider what they're getting in the deal. Without succumbing to the stupid practice of painting everyone with a broad brush, maybe we're not the men of their dreams.

"maybe we're not the men of their dreams"

its not like they have the selection of their choice working in the field they work at.

i'll have to agree with Johnnyb.... dont ever marry a former hooker. too much baggage and too much emotional instability. and i'm sure u guys know what im talking about without me having to clarify. if you're that hard up for a real girlfriend, go advertise on some personals or go on a dating service. if you're like me, i just go down there to 'get my rocks off' , no emotional strings attached.

I don't know. A retired hooker may have a lot of baggage but the thought of waking up every morning with Tanya (see post above about her considering getting married) in bed next to / on top of / underneath me sure would be tempting. Enough high quality sex can make up for alot of other short comings. A chica like her has her shit pretty well together, too. There are alot that don't, but there are a few that do. Tough decision that would have to be made on a case by case basis IMHO.
ECJuan

Celibrated the 4th at my friends place (the one who married a former provider from CC)... Great food, the girl CAN cook... They have the cutest baby I've seen in a long time..

His parents were there.. The father, said... "______ tells me you introduced him to ______ in TJ, right? (gulp) I said yes, hoping he wouldn't ask the details as at the time, they were not in the room...

I've known this guy (my friend) for 10 years and this is the happiest I've ever seen him... Will it last? Quien sabe? Would his previous depression & loneliness last? Probably so...

No gaurantees in life, but... I'd almost trade places with him right now, as happy as he seems to be..

Regarding emotional baggage... I visit major corporations every day in the course of my job and see hundreds of "legitimate" females each year... Talk about emotional baggage! I'll take a "provider" any day, hehehe..
ag

Altogringo, that's a really interesting story about your friend. I'd like to know more about it. Your friend is really happy with the ex CC girl huh? Is he a gringo and do they live in TJ? I know this is the exception to the rule, but there are enough situations out there that there must be alot of exceptions. My current novia has asked me to accompany her on a trip home to Vera Cruz and I am considering it.
I am glad things are working out for your friend.

Adelito, they live in the LA area... Both seem to be very happy, she has taken inglish classes, and learned to drive.. She's one hell'of'a cook, loaded me down with baggies full of BBQ carne asada (best I've tasted), guacamole, refried beans, roasted corn, etc. I'm afraid if I had a wife that cooked like that I'd have to change my handle to El Gordo, hehehe...

Aelito, i married a gal from veracruz and couldn't be happier.
Seems like all the people there have big hearts.
If it was not for the redsnake board it would have never happened.That to me,that is why tj hombre board is very important,and should survive at all costs. ( $20 or more donation is worth it).

Randall, that's very interesting. How long have you been married? Do you live in the US with her? Is it difficult to get papers for her to come here? My novia doesn't even have a drivers license, so it seems like getting a passport will be a major undertaking. Damn I could come up with a million questions for you about this.

Altogringo, thanks for the email. Please count me in. btw, your last post made me hungry.

Adelito e-mail me for questions.
randallrb12@cs.com

Getting a passport is no big deal, as long as she doesn't have a criminal record and isn't "wanted" in Mexico.

A passport is issued by a persons home country - it is proof of citizenship. So assuming she is a Mexican citizen her passport will be issued by Mexico.

The VISA to visit the USA is a lot harder and much more time consuming to obtain, but it CAN be done.

Nolo Press has a book on this that is excellent, if you are serious.

A fiancee VISA is the easiest, but basically forces you to get married inside of 6 months. Other VISAs are available, but usually with more effort.

Curious,

This thing about getting a fiancee VISA forcing you to get married inside of 6 months, what if you get the VISA and don't get married? What can they do?

The chica has to leave the USA.

And as i understand have a hard very hard time getting papers again.

My biggest concern about marrying an ex-CC or AB girl would be what will they do for work once they come to the U.S., or are we suppose to simply support them and their kids while they pump out more kids and gain weight (no thanks). Nothing fads faster than Youth and beauty. Most of these gals make excellent money for doing relatively little and have no skills, little education and speak little or no english. I doubt they'll want to come to the U.S. to work as a maid for minimum wage after making the kind of money they can at the clubs.

Toehead
You hit the nail right on the head.I offered my now ex-novia a job but she had to:
A)go to school to learn english
B)after she would learn the real estate business
C)be taxed on 750 a week which meant she would take home alittle more than 400 a week.
After this she said she can make more on a busy Saturday night.She said here I would be in control of her life and she also would feel out of her element.What did she have to gain by staying with me if I didn't marry her.
As far as gaining weight goes,these girls are amazing.She has lost 5lbs since leaving looks great.She is only 5'1" so it makes a big difference in her earnings.They can sure take it off and put it on fast and they all seem to have that problem.

Now that I've thought about it..most of us here are the mongering equivalent of Disneyland Dads, we spend maybe a few hours a week with our favoritas engaged in our favorite activities (either screwing or eating..sometimes both) and based on this decide that marrying one of these gals would be nirvana.

Here's a little exercise you can try at home. Turn on the T.V. at 7:00, switch it to one of the Telenovelas, now sit there for three hours a day 5 days a week while your brain atrophies. Now picture your current Favorita sitting next to you mesmerized by what's on, only 10 years older and 80Lbs heavier. Now picture three screaming kids ('cause thats what your Favoritas picturing).

Admittedly, this scenario is only a POSSIBILITY).

Hey Toehead,

Also those screaming kids are here and now, not projected into the future! Also picture her mom and probably other relatives going through your fridge, driving your car and wearing your clothes.

Senor Toads wild ride!

Your are all right and I would strongly caution anyone looking to "import" their girl without knowing her very well first. I have a friend who is pretty much a gold digger. She might as well have a revolving door at her house because there's at least two more guys frequenting her. She lies like there is no tomorrow and in her spare time (it's all spare) she sits and watches mexican soap operas not giving a darn about anything in her surrounding (i.e. crying kids, hungry kids, company, etc).
It's pretty much the way they live, or are taught to live by their mothers.
Too bad. I guess they're just nice to look at once in a while and that's it.

Redongdo, good points, though I'm not too sure I want to picture her mother wearing MY clothes!.

Specific, I think you had a good plan to enable your favorita to leave the sexo industry behind and start working on a career, unfortunately it sounds as if she's just making to much easy money at the moment to walk away from it. In her defense, you didn't mention if she has a visa, unless she has a visa or GETS MARRIED she won't be able to travel back and forth over the boarder to visit her family and Mexican novio (joke), she also won't be able to get a drivers license or even a work permit. Good plan though, maybe just the wrong girl, or maybe the right girl but the wrong time.

Specific, after reading your last post, I have to say that I pretty much agree with your girl's decision. If she takes you up on your offer, she is almost completely at your mercy, with no commitment on your part. At the same time, she is giving up a lot of money that she will have less chance of making up when she is older. If you were offering to get her a work permit, or a job in Mexico making this much, or marry her, it would be different.

As for anyone who thinks that all zona chicas are lazy women who want only to lie around and watch TV all day while popping out kids and having you support their entire family, I feel sorry for you. You have either had the misfortune to meet only the bottom of the barrel girls, or you have preconceived notions that you are unable to look past. I am sure these girls exist, because I know a few. However, there are also many others who are far superior in many ways.

Hey Hippie,

Those superior girls....are they Bionic Putas? Does everything move in slow motion when you do them? Do you hear that weird bionic sound? Maybe that's how so many of them are able to do so many guys in a day....bionic panocha!

Or maybe it's like Westworld, they're all robots...Putaland or Zonaworld. Some of them do get that glassy look when you do 'em (not when I do 'em of course, I'm special cuz my puta told me so).

No bionic panocha, just lots of lube.

Toehead and Redongo, that's some funny stuff! The image of "Senor Toads Wild Ride" is hilarious. I do agree with Hippie and EC Juan that there are some potentially good novias/esposas among the chicas I've had the pleasure of knowing, especially in AB. I also agree with EC Juan when he says each chica and her situation is different so decisions need to be made on a "case by case basis". Lumping all the chicas together as baby making coach potatoes that end up 80 lbs overweight is rediculous and unfair and only reflects on the guy making the statement IMO.

As far as Specific's chica is concerned, I can't blame her for leaving. She is going back to a job she knows that can provide a windfall income for her (at least in the short run) as opposed to a job she has no interest in that will net her less than she can make on a Sat night on top of living expenses that are much higher than what she is used to. Nothing against Specific, but I can't blame her for not wanting to live with him--live with him and work for him for peanuts--yea right!

Why don't sires interested in chicas move to TJ instead of chicas moving to SD? Chicas get to keep their high paying job, sires get their novias without commitment plus some pimping on the side.

Athos
Don't think I haven't thought about it.You could be my best customer.Me or you should,we have certainly done enough Adelita and CC chicas.If we didn't have to deal with the corrupt Mexican system I really would think of opening a competing
bar.

Specific
I did not mean to open a bar, just keep your job north of the border and commute.

Speaking of living down there in TJ, are rents going down? I was listening to a BBC report and the reporter spoke about the amazing growth of TJ due to "maquiladoras". It was also reported that the workers in the "maquiladoras" are crossing their fingers waiting to see whats going on with the economic slowdown in the USA. Any slower and it sounds like they go down. Also, they were speaking about "toxic dumping" not allowed up here thats going on down there. In addition, there is a growing battle of who gets to use the limited resources of water available. With all this going on, I wonder if living in TJ is a good option under all the uncertainty. Although, with uncertainty like that, maybe some of the girls do want to get out of there. They see the writing on the wall and want to make a move. I haven't been down there too much this summer and rarely hit AB or CC but I hear that business is slower than last year even though prices are up.

Bullitt:

None of the 'news' you posted has any bearing on day to day life in Tijuana.

the economy in tj is somewhat 'jumpy' right now, people aren't sure if it's going to get worse or it'll ride out this current blah period. I have heard that the maquiladoras are in trouble (as compared to the glory years), with cheaper competition from Asia, politicians wanting to tax the foreign owners more, etc. And there's been the persistent rumor that the peso is overvalued, should be at 11 or 12 rather than 9 to the dollar.

Jaime sed;

"And there's been the persistent rumor that the peso is overvalued, should be at 11 or 12 rather than 9 to the dollar."

Fuckin-A Bubba(you got that right).

Athos sed:

"Why don't sires interested in chicas move to TJ instead of chicas moving to SD? "

Here are the Top Ten reasons why they don't; according to David Letterman:

10) Montezuma's Revenge.
9) Long lines getting into the USA.
8) Long lines getting into Mexico.
7) Because the girls don't look so hot the next morning.
6) Potholes.
5) Corrupt Police.
4) Lack of services.
3) They'd like to keep their cars.
2) They can't really OWN property down there.

and - the #1 reason why "sires" don't move to Mexico...

1) Too many DEAD DOGS!

Diego,
You got some points, except:
Getting back into the USA can be improved with SENTRI, although the waiting list is more than 6 months. I'd suggest applying early.

Explorer, the news BULLIT posted has quite a bit of bearing on daily life in TJ. If there are major layoffs in the maquilladoras, the BP is going to be very busy soon after.

I note that a contracting "Maquiladora Economy" might possibly add new talent to the alley.

Pauncho

Forrest Gump once said "Rent everything if you can, even your shoes." I've been through two marriages, and I'm not sure I wouldn't have been better off at 35 if I had just rented. Time to go to AB.

Indyla
Better late than never.

This is a great topic. Unless Mexico is different, the fiance visa grants the lady 3 months in the USA, not 6 months. If you don't marry her in 3 months, she has to leave. I just did it for a Thai lady, but unfortunatetly, I learned just after the INS approved our paper work, meaning she'd just need to pass her medical, I found out she was writing to other guys and then lying to me about it. This after supporting her for three months and getting her enrolled in classes too. She's the third working girl that I have gotten serious with that had a serious lying problem. They will tell you what you want to hear, it's your job to make sure it's true. These girls put up a nice front but I agree they wouldn't be in this business if they didn't have very low self-esteem problems. Most of these girls do not have much education, nor are they generally smart and they mostly just have their youth and good looks going for them. I think there is some truth to the saying, "you can take the girl out of the bar but you can't take the bar out of the girl." This last gal proved it to me.... I'll not be wasting my time seriously with a bar girls anymore, it won't work out and it was delusional of me to think it could. 80% of the girl may meet your standards, but it's that last 20% that is fatally flawed. As for the time it took to get a fiance visa in Thailand, it's rather quick, submitted on Feb. 1st, approved in six weeks. Took about one week to compile all the data to submit. It's quite a bit of paperwork though, several INS forms for you and her, birth certificates for you both, your fiancial records, proof of your income, proof you've met (photos) and $95 for the application. I know in the Philippines, they really drill the girl very hard during her interview if they suspect she's been a bargirl, if they determine that she has hooked in the last five years, she's automatically disqualified. Supposedly, Thailand is more relaxed about this issue from a trusted source.

I can understand if it's a veteran hooker who's been working for years, with too many miles and speedbumps. What about a fresh girl, about 19-20 yrs old and just recently got into the hooking business? You guys think there's still hope for her? I'm thinking that if I bring someone young back she can still attend school and make something out of herself, and be of more than just a sextoy with no future.

Albundy, you are totally correct. I advise bringing the young bar-girl to the states. It's always nice to see a person willing to save a woman from the industry. These women are way more than sex toys. Given the chance I'm sure they would love to start attending school again. With these girls work ethic I'm sure they would do a great job, and would be eternally grateful towards you.



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I would say you woild have a better chance with a veteran than a young girl, but who wants a fat old veteran when you can have a young hard body?

Will Ok, who other than Mr. Bill and MasterBates?

Anybody that ever marries one of these women is completely nuts.

a) I have seen it done successfully.

b) Didn't that Drew guy do it?

marry them and bring them all back to the states. save me that long drive to the border every weekend for sweet young pussy.

As a veteran of over three years of the Zona I can tell you that most of these putas have someone either in TJ or back home. Some are already married and sending the bucks back home every month to the old man and kids.
In fact, some will even marry you even though they are already married in Mexico (of course, they won't tie the knot in Mexico but will in the US) just to get that VISA!!!!
As has been said many times on this website - it's all about the DEAD PRESIDENTS!!!

Be it a puta or not, marry her if she is your 'Helen of Troy'. If the marriage fail, there you'll lose your thousand car. If the union is a success, then another epic is born. The stakes are just too high. Be very carefull.

Does anyone have any recent information they wish to share about marrying either an AB chica or any other chica from the other neighboring bars?

I ask this because of certain information I've heard about some guys who have "rescued" chicas so to speak, from the world of prostitution, and made honest wives out of them.

My take? I'm not saying it's impossible, of course it's very probable, but it has to be a two-way street in the sense that there has to be commitment from both sides. I know it can be done, as ex-hookers can make wonderful wives for the monger who's shopping for a permanent relationship.

Master Bates.

mb wrote: "I ask this because of certain information I've heard about some guys who have "rescued" chicas so to speak, from the world of prostitution, and made honest wives out of them."

I haven't heard anything recent, but since you asked, please share this "certain information" you mentioned you heard. I'd like to know too.

MB wrote: "ex-hookers can make wonderful wives for the monger who's shopping..." Yes that's true; for the monger who's shopping for the ex-hooker-- at Nordstrom, Louis Vuiton, Gucci... As in everything (pro or non-pro alike), it's all about money.

As to your question, I do know one CC chica who is dating a friend of mine and trying desparately to marry him. She found out through the grapevine that he has a substantial trust fund that he's living off and turned up her passion accordingly. He's a nice, sincere guy who really does care about her, but I can see her true colors- especially when he's not there and I observe her actions with other clients and her chica friends (and she doens't know I'm around as well). Total bullshit.

I know it doesn't answer your question but I thought my observation of this "relationship" was noteworthy. I will give my opinion, which others are free to disagree with: chicas do not like Gringos, they only tolerate them for their money. None of these lower class chicas in ZN grew up dreaming about marrying a gringo. They are more attracted to Jose the ranch-hand with the pointy boots and big belt buckle. Even if they marry the gringo they will never change, nor can the gringo change and get accepted by the chica or her family as 'legit.'

Maverick's personally held opinion that chicas do not like, only tolerate, gringos ... that the chica will never change, nor ever accept the gringo ... that she will privately always prefer the Mexican cowboy with the boots, belt buckle etc

from my experiences

although Maverick's remarks are of course politically incorrect, unfortunately, that is a mostly accurate portrayal.

My observtion (largely from staying in Sonora for several weeks during an annual inventory audit of a computer parts plant done several years in a row) is that the Mexican ladies began life poor, are painfully aware of their ROOTS, are amused with fleeting wealth and the good life, but in the end identify and adore a guy who culturally, lifestyle-wise most resembles the essence of their extended Mexican family.

Since my inventory taking time in Sonora was in late October/early November ... it was interesting how Mexicans observe the holiday honoring the dead the day before Halloween.

Stopping for one day to reflect on older family members who have passed on certainly must reinforce a chica's true personage as being/identifying with their Spanish language, poor in wealth upbringing, food preferences, everything else that is MEXICO.

Good opinion Maverick!

Not sure that I agree with this.

Many working chicas that I have known get a taste of independance from working as a hooker, and never want to go back to the typical Mexican male/female relationship.

As a result they do pair up with a gringo, or remain on their own. Now, they may use guys in many ways, including for money/support, but they remain (in their minds, at least) independant.

I suspect this is something that happens more with the really successful hookers.

Maverick wrote:"None of these lower class chicas in ZN grew up dreaming about marrying a gringo. They are more attracted to Jose the ranch-hand with the pointy boots and big belt buckle."

Rodney wrote:"although Maverick's remarks are of course politically incorrect, unfortunately, that is a mostly accurate portrayal. "

As soon as I read Maverick's a opinion I thought of what Rodney wrote.

There is always that chica who is the exception to the rule, but for the most part Mav's opinion is right on.

In the US when people date other races they are sometimes called "sell outs". ie.(and I don't mean to not be PC with these examples) African American dates a Caucasian. or Caucasian dates a African American. etc.

on the flipside there are plenty of americans who have zero issues with interractial relationships too.

but maybe for a chica going with "Jose" is a way of not selling out.

There are plenty of examples of (ex)pro chicas hooking up with a gringo "savior." My point, in response to MB's query, is that such pairings really have no foundation for lasting.