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	Archive	37		2000/10/28, 12:04 pm

Thanks Strangelove and 694me,

Actually the guy I got the C-Meth from hasn't been around for days...so I havent been able to acuire any. At first I felt a deep depression, I guess it was withdrawl. But it's nice to be back to my regular eating/sleeping routine...I feel much better.
I will continue to smoke ciggarets and drink beer though...

694me,
I used to get the girls that hang near the top bar for $30 when I first started to Monger.
But nowadays I only go for the HC type chicas, I have not been successful getting them down to $30.

I haven't done an allnighter yet, I try to negotiate them occassionaly...But the average quote I get is $300. I would appreciate it if you could give me some insight into your negotiating teqniques for allnighters...this would help me alot :o)

I only went to AB during the day a couple times...CC always was closed when I checked in the morning. So, let me get this clear...you are saying that quality chicas can be had for $40 as a standard asking price during the day? (weekday or weekend?). If this is true...im thinking it might be wise for me to change the days and time of day I go to the Zona. Although I arrive in TJ early to avoid the traffic, I don't go to the Zona until early evening...I never considered that there are great deals in the afternoon.

I'm going to TJ tonight...please let me know if you are going so we can meet up. I have alot to learn from you!

Ya, 694ME, I seldom spend $100 on dinner. I would rather spend half that on dinner, and then the rest on a chica in La Zona!

Curious
Any girl at any club who knows you will do a allnighter during the week(sunday-thursday)for
200 dollars.Very few girls even the real hotties see 5 guys on those days and if they have been with you and you are not a real jerk they will jump at it.Lately I have been getting allnighters
for 150 but then I always tip them the extra 50 and they know I will if they are good.

Deuce - All nighters are generally midnight on unless it the girl is your regular. Once I know a girl and want to do an allnighter I suggest it for a quiet night, late dinner (that costs extra) and it becomes a GF event. I give her $100 to $200 depending on my finances but she knows I will be back for more.
You need to decide what you want, a play the field or a steady. I prefer a steady.

Specific is right in that all-nighters can be had for $200 midweek with a hottie. If you make it a date and she has fun with you, it can be had for less like 694me says. However, this will be much harder to acheive at the CC with top tier chicas because they can make a lot more even on slow nights.

There is no question AB day chicas can be had for $30. Still, some will not settle for less than $50, 90% of the time. Try getting Gloria upstairs for $30, or even out of the bar for dinner for that matter. Or Ximena.

New chicas can go for cheap, except for the ones that have unrealistic ideas about what prices they can command. They learn.

If you want to conduct your own tests about negotiations and low prices, try when you've just come downstairs from a session so you're thinking with the right head. You'll learn a lot.

694me, did you find that restaurant with a band? Sounds like fun.

Unfortunately the Senator is right, I have spend almost $300 on a one day trip, not including airfare. $49 for the rental car, $5 to $10 for parking, I usually buy the blue pills and bring some back, I tend not to pay over $40 for a session and on occasions I pay $30 not including room. I usually have 3 to 4 trips upstairs, and I don't get a room upstairs because I have friends in Tropical and Chavelas and of course AB so by the time you figure it out I have spend close to $250 to 300 bucks. If i lived in SD or surrounding areas it would be different and only go to the zona twice or once a week and only enjoy one girl at a time and protect my beer from those pinche waiters. I know where the Senator and other mongers are coming from, to the ones that live outside of the SD area each trip you make you try to make the most out of it, sometimes a day trip is all that is possible so don't blame us for trying to eat all the candy at the same time.

I concur...since I'm miles and miles away...When I get to TJ I want maximum pleasure with minimal hassles...and a big part of that pleasure for me is fuckin' exceptionally goodlookin' or exceptionally nasty women, preferably a combination thereof...price be damned. If I'm down there for 3 or 4 days, I don't care if I blow off 200 or 300 bucks on average. The longer you stay, the more you have a tendency to conserve your jack. I've stayed in TJ for as long as 10 days at a stretch...and my day rate will drop to 100-120 bucks...it's those 2 and 3 day bomber runs that blowout bank accounts...'cause ya never know - it might be the last time.
KRICO

An all nighter...does that mean until you wake up? Or does the chica bail while you are asleep.

I'm concerned about getting robbed while im asleep...but...I don't think I would feel safe sleeping upstairs from AB or CC...call me paranoid (and no it's not a "tweaker" thing I have been cautious all my life..lol)...but when im doing a chica on a regular session I dont even go in the bathroom without bringing my wallet with me...and when I fuck..I leave my socks on because most of my money is in there hidden in various locations.

Side Note: Chicas laugh at me because I fuck bare ass except im wearing my socks...and the socks are lumpy becuse Ive got cash, spare car key, and atm cards in them (so they tend to rattle or jingle during sex)...am I the only one who does this..if not, please give me advice on getting the chicas to stop laughing at me..please...it's fucking embarrasing. (But I refuse to tell them whats in my socks..becuse they might tip a ratero mugger. Or go in the bathroom and take them off.. simply because its a hassel and if im drunk i might lose some of the stuff.)

IYHO...is an alnighter worth $200...or is it better to just use those funds and do 3 chicas?
What happens during an allnighter that is better than a regular session?...this would be the compelling factor for me.

thanx

KRICO, it sure is a lot different when you live close, or is it? Sometimes I go down to TJ with $120 or so and come back with $40 in my pocket and I had a great time. Or I'll call a chica and just meet her for lunch or something, then get laid. I never feel the need to blow it out on any trip.

The down side is that because it is so close, you go more often...ya start thinking about it...ya know it's only a few minutes ride away and before you know it you're fending off Sonia at the first bar, and she's telling you exactly what nasty things she'd like to do to ya while she rubs your back, thigh, and...

Takes will power to live so close. I wonder if Texas Mike or Franco started off that way.

Both TM and F claim Mexican ancestory so....maybe for them it was a natural progression. If I lived down there, I'd be over there all the time, too...'cause I've lost all my fear (xenophobia). Although to me, TJ and Mexico are like quicksand. The 3 day "bomber runs" get me in and out before I get sucked in too deep. The few times I've stayed down there for a week or more....it really fucks my head up...and it's not just the easy pussy. Ambition goes out the window...As one of my "bump-into" TJ buddies puts it..."Yeah, when you're down here you don't feel like your accomplishing very much..." Hah! No lie! For me, I forget what it was I was tryin' to get done in the states. My whole sense of time gets altered...any sense of urgency about getting something done just disappears after 3 days...That culture IS different...hypnotic...

KRICO

Or is it the zona that is different...hypnotic...

Well, the Zona definitely will blow the average guys mind...but I've wandered (literally on foot...) off the beaten bath...like along Paseo de los Heroes (along the river - not Ninos Heroes near the Zona) or Sanchez Tabuada (long blvd parallel to Paseo de los Heroes)...and you get to feelin' like your in Spain (broad blvds., trees along the street, very quiet, some Gaudi-esque architecture)...Away from the Zona, the experience becames even more surreal...dining in a local restaurant where there's not a single gringo to be seen...You really feel like an outsider...Not like people are gawkin' at you or anything...but you just know that you don't quite fit into the grand scheme of things...
KRICO

Just the ticket for getting away from it all.

Couple of things I have learned over the years. This is a 2 part post - first on prices/time spent in TJ, and the second part on all nighters.

A LOT of how I act, and how much I spend, has to do with how often I am going to TJ, and how much time I am able to spend there.

During the periods when I go to TJ a lot - for a while I went two or three times a week - I got a lot better deals from the gals. Things like a $70 all nighter with a CC babe. Freebies. Gals wanting to meet me for a movie and ice cream. Fun stuff like that.

Part of it had to do with how well they got to know me, and part of it was that I was available to meet them in a day or two. Most have never been friends who I could call up and say "Hey, let’s do a movie today". But they would ask me "How about taking me to see XYZ on Tuesday?"

Also, if I know I can be in TJ two or three nights I can arrange things and spend a lot less money. But a recent trip, for example, involved a fairly well known CC gal - one I certainly consider a sweetheart and a "hottie" - for a Friday night at $200. Since it was the ONLY night I was there, I wasn’t gonna argue.

The dynamics of an all nighter vary - A LOT - from gal to gal, night to night, and guy to guy. A LOT depends on her mood and your attitude. My last one, for example, started in the bar around 10 PM or so, and ended 14 hours later when I dropped her off at her place. We spent a good hour in the Jacuzzi, had sex several times, got some food, got some sleep, watched some TV, and talked quite a bit.

All in all a very enjoyable night, and well worth the $200 it cost me - at least to me.

Now, as to Deuce’s concerns - all I can say is if you feel that way about the gal, DO NOT attempt an all nighter with her. It requires mutual trust and respect for it to work. After all, she may have several hundred dollars in her purse as well. And I know of more working gals down there who have been killed than tricks who were!

I very seldom even take a girl upstairs at the club that I don’t trust enough to leave my wallet in my pants in the room with her. Now, I do some strange things with most of my money, but that is another story.

And finally, if you don’t know a gal fairly well, she probably isn’t going to leave the bar with you, so you may be limited to the hotel above the bar - or the Leyva for CC gals. I have done these many times - and while I prefer a nicer hotel, they are workable until you can build that trust with the gal.

Also, realize that it helps if the gals get to know you. Once, for example, a gal I had just met for the very first time at CC left with me to go to my hotel. She only did that because a couple of her friends vouched for me.

The whole dynamic of the time spent with the gals change when you have several hours to spend. Many will protect themselves - one told me once "I work from 5PM till 3AM. It ends at 3AM. Period." She also wouldn’t leave the club hotel, so we spent the night there. (We did go out to eat, but just walked across the street.) She left after one final performance about noon the next day - after a cleaning guy walked in on us and woke us up!

Again, her mood and my attitude caused her to stay well past what she had promised. But even if she had left at 3AM I would have been happy, but not as happy as I was when she DID finally leave...

Oh ya - and that feeling of laziness - Mexico is the ONLY place I can go and feel totally relaxed like that. And the deeper into Mexico, the faster I can get that feeling. One trip to Puerto Vallarta my plane landed at 3 PM, and at 6 PM I was sitting on the cliffs watching the sunset with my chica - and realized I was just totally relaxed, and didn’t give a damn about the world out there.

Oh what a feeling...

I don’t generally get that feeling in TJ - maybe because my pager and cell phone still reach across the border. And also maybe because TJ isn't a place I really want to spend a lot of time visiting...

Ximena is a babe.

I saw Ximena, she's back. *sigh* Who's that young vision working the CC who looks like a young, thin Paloma?

When you live locally, the desire to do all-nighters goes down, at least for me. TJ is so accessible and I'd rather sleep in my own bed. I've done em, and for cheap, but would rather get em for less time than all-night. I need to really like em to want that much down time with em.

BTW, Curious, I agree that all-nighters can come cheap at the CC, especially if the chica wants out of the club for the evening yet wants to make some money. In this case, depending on the time, they can come very cheap. Still, most mongers are not going to even get to pay $200 on a Friday, probably $300 is more like it, or more. In my experience, $200 is generally standard for midweek for most top tier chicas. On top of that, factor in Curious's comments above.

For the Newbies, make sure you get along with the chica well before doing the all-nighter, because there will be down time and you could find yourself laying next to a chica that you're tired of fucking with garlic breath that you don't want to say two words to.

Deuce - use slip on shoes and put your money in the shoe when nobody is looking. I have NEVER been robbed in the room and have even had a girl return to me money I dropped without noticing. Hide a spare key for your car and lock everyting in it.

Ya Celtics, WHO is that babe?

Just
Curious

Good to see this board move and evolve instead of just die. Thanks again TJHombre!!

Folks here have been quoting what they pay for a day or two of zona entertainment. Here's a breakdown of my last few trips...

Gas & parking: $18
Tacos (3 carne asada and 1 fish): $2
Head from a girl at Unicornio (in club): $20
Head from a girl at Isis (in club): $20
Wonderful session with Rosa Maria or Marta (SG's): $15 (room included)
2 ladies drinks and 2 drinks for me: $20 (including tip)
I do not take cabs since I'm in and out during daylight hours. Sometimes I splurge and and take the bus: $5

The difference is I go during the week and hang out at some of the "interesting" clubs like Unicorn or Isis. I used to love AB and CC, but now rarely spend time there. I have some "regulars" that treat me right for a small fee (those $20-$30 + room sessions you keep hearing about) but I was recently laid off work so money is short.

I've found joy in the arms of SG's lately. My buddy and I camp out in a bar until we feel the need for another pretty young thing and then go shopping on the street. I have great sessions with these girls and spend very little money. Just make sure you agree to EVERYTHING before you get to the room. They will hold you to that agreement word-for-word and any changes will cost you dearly. We all know how some of these bar girls can be so specific about what you can - and can't do - and the street girls are worse. Also a word of warning about the hotels - some of those hotels the street girls use can make the AB arms look like a 5 star place by comparison...

I like the girls at Unicorn and Isis because the place, and the girls, are soooooooo sleazy!! I wander in, find a girl that's fairly easy on the eyes and run my hands all over her for the price of a drink. As a rule, you can get to know them in the biblical sense within a minute of sitting down in a booth. When at AB or CC, sometimes the girls will play with you a little bit through your shorts or pants, but when I'm in U ir I the first thing these girls do is aim for your unit. Refreshingly trashy. While these clubs are not for the faint of heart it does offer a change from the ordinary TJ scene.

It sounds like 694me lives about the same distance from the border as I do. I'm 123 miles from driveway to border parking lots. My little mid 80's Honda does it for the right price.

When I stay overnight in TJ, I invite special ladies to spend the evening with me. These are not the ones filling HC, but they are pretty enough and we spend the night (10pm till noon) and treat each other like lovers. Celtics is right when recommending you know what the lady's like before scoring the deal. All night can take forever if you don't like the girl...

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Dr. Evil

Celtics...I usually rush up to the smokers first..I figure they have an oral fixation! HEHEHE (Sigmund Freud).

And Senator...$12,000 is alot too me! But some Mongers have better jobs than others..so it kind of depends on the individual..me?..I'm a humble carsalesman so I figure I would have to sell 50-60 cars to make 12 k...while a physician Monger just has to do 1 "Boobjob" and his debt is paid.

Oh..I was wondering...I take great precaution in hiding the fact that Im a posting Monger while in the Zona.

To the chicas I use my real name..when I hang out with other guys in the Zona, I introduce myself as Deuce. I can tell in a second if they are posters by their reaction (they run away screaming "guilt by association! ahhhh!"...J/K), but if they don't recognize me by name then I just leave it at that and I don't tell them shit. Although I will give them tips/advice if they are being taken advantage of.

My question is this...I had a bad session with a chica in the recent past...basically she promised the world and upstairs she was a robot..and took my money and basically gave me the impression of .."what are you gonna do about it?"

(This was last Sat...Jessica Ab...I know I was gonna take a week off from the Zona but I slipped up and went :o(...but that's it for the week!)

I wanted so bad to tell her I was gonna post shit all over the net about her and fuck up her buisiness etc...but I know better than to do that, and I just kept my anger to myself.

THE QUESTION: Do any chicas know who any Posters are (now or in the past?. And what was the consequence for them after becoming known.

This scares me because a few times while chatting with chicas they mentioned the "internet" and I can sense their distain for it. I just maintained my composure and smiled and went along.

JUST MY TWO CENTS- DB (and other newbies)- your mileage WILL vary. I started out almost 2 years ago, CC and AB, mostly 50-60 chicas, 1/2 hour and out. Then I met HER, and it's been all over. We started at 50.00 per 1/2 plus the 10.00 room.After a couple of sessions over the next few months, I had to take her for an hour at a time, still $100.
She's drop dead gorgeous,and her body is a walking wet dream, but in the longer sessions, we started talking, and that's when I fell HARD. After awhile,even 1 hour wasn't enough, and I started going for two hours at a time. Eventually,I gained her trust enough to take her away for an allnighter out of the hotel. Cost: $500. I know, I know, but I had it and it was worth it to me. I'd pick her up at the hotel at 7P.M. and we'd go to Rosarito until noonish the next day. Always on a weekday,weekends she makes alot more than what I could afford for allnight.Nice dinner at the hotel,watching TV and cuddling, and of course HOT FUCKING SEX! There's nothing like waking up next to your fantasy in the morning and grabbing a quickie before room service arrives with breakfast. If I die tommorrow,I'll go smiling, cause the memories of those trips are irreplaceable. Now,my problem is that I abused her, I yelled at her one night and in anger, made sure she saw me take a couple of other chicas upstairs. She cut me off completely for awhile, and charges me WAY too much, I'm embarrased to say how much, but I try to not go on weekends, and my only leverage is going at 3-4 AM weeknights to get her last "dance" for a couple of hours at $240.00.
She won't even discuss leaving the hotel,I would kill to get her for $500.00 for all night, that's what I'm working towards, but it may never happen.
Yes, allnighters are great, yes the chicas have feelings( a woman scorned, etc.) and yes, it sucks being in love with a working girl!But hey like i said at the beginning, YMMV from bar to bar, chica to chica ( and sometimes day to day) If it's worth it to you, go for it!
A

Brothers...it wasn't a good idea to post that there's an internet cafe in TJ...in my opinion.
I won't be caught dead in there...if even 1 chica sees me in there im done...finished. Damn I really wanted to check it out too..oh well.

I got a favorita that distains the internet postings...and she's got a computer. These chicas ARE smart..and I would think they make enough money to buy a computer. I really like this favorita..if. Im was exposed, it would devestate her..and me too

Im considering retireing from posting at least for awhile...I'm nervous about Rock's post about there being a pinche trader in on our board.