Anyone that has had the experience of paying for sex in the club,then paying for sex outside of the club,then not paying for sex,I would like to know how the transition came about.I'm already at this crossroad with one chica,although I intend to keep paying her because I believe it gives me control,I think I could not pay her directly if I so choose.Example. This happened yesterday.
I set up a date with her like usual,but instead of going to lunch,I told her lets go shopping instead,to which she enthusiastically agrees. She sees things she likes and at one point I tell her if she wants a particular jacket I will buy it for her. She wants it ,we get it and she is grateful,no problem.Ok, so we end up at the movies and then I split for home, no time to go to the hotel for sex today,no problem. Here is the question I have for the group,if I had gone to the hotel I could have said," hey can we do this for free today"? If she says yes,then the change has taken place,I'M NOT SURE I WANT THIS,do I become her boyfriend,can I still fuck other chica's,if I DO I'm pretty sure she would not be happy about it.I guess what I'm asking is has anyone done this already because I have not and now there is an opportunity, I'm just not sure what will happen if I take it. Take this into account,I like having girlfriends,after doing a half a dozen chica's it quickly became apparent that although it was fun it is a vapid experience for me without a connection,so I'm doing the same three girls and making a connection,the sex is so much better now. What happens if and when you stop paying,can you cheat on a hooker with another hooker?

Becoming a sugar daddy is a bit different than becoming a real boyfriend, but it sounds like something that may be of more interest to you anyway. Paying with trinkets can sometimes be a MORE attractive arrangement to a chica than forking over cash. These seem more like gifts than a strictly professional relationship, and some girls like it better that way with customers they are fond of.

I think you are correct to be wary about the ability to screw other chicas, though. If your amiga finds out, you will likely get cut off by a very pissed off chica. It can be explained (perhaps BOUGHT) away, but it won't be fun -- except for the making up part! My standard advice would be to troll for chicas in OTHER bars, or if at AB, at least opposing SHIFTS to avoid conflict.

A radical approach that I never much consider is talking it over with your amiga and explaining to her exactly your mindset. Don't expect too many freebies from her after that, though, unless she WORSHIPS YOU!

One word of caution about playin chicas at different clubs.

Since so many chicas are now working at BOTH AB and CC, it's hard to hide being a butterfly. Some chicas are working weekend days at AB and nights at CC, and that makes it even harder to hide.


SE

Senor Panocha
Remember eyes are everywhere in the zona.Her amigas,the bartenders,doorguys,cleanup boys,hotel desk guys,ect.can easily keep an eye on you if she points you out to them and asks them to.Even chicas she don't get along with might bring your indiscretions up to her as a way of dogging her.Don't expect it to be an easy task to keep her out of the know.
Doing her often for free,telling her she the one and only,and still butterflying can have a worse case scenario of having some chica you care for seething with hatred for you and looking for some way,any way to get you back.
Taxibob

I would NEVER tell her she is the one and only,probably I would do the opposite,she already, in fact both of the ones I'm interested in know I'M MARRIED,I made that clear and in fact both of them ask me about it all the time,I did that to cover my ass,I 'm not a good liar I don't like lying and would feel worse about that than actually cheating. They are in different clubs on different shifts so that is not a problem right now. Both have asked me on occasion if I go to the other clubs and I told them that I do,but only a little,which is true. I don't want to hurt anyone so I think I will keep paying,that way it stays on a business level at least somewhat. Porker,sugardaddy sounds about right for me,more than boyfriend,thanks for the feedback guys,I will take it to heart and tread carefully.

Don't do the freebie thing, that will completely endya fun times at the Bars, I did it once and i am still paying for it, just pay for thesessions, in the long run it is cheaper just to pay, and yes whatever you do at the clubs, it somehow gets around to the other girls, i don;t know how they do it but somehow my ex fun time girl found out i was down at the zona in a different bar, and spread rumors that i was still seeing her, and that just killed me in terms of hooking up with other chicas at the bars, just pay its cheaper

Re: cheaing a chica for another chica

I don't claim to be an expert on this game, but I started seeing the same girl once a week three months ago (always paid). I didn't think much of this type of arrangement other than the obvious fact that I found a favorita. But, lately, I've realized that I am perceived as her #1 john by bartenders, chicas and other regular johns of my chica (she told me the last one).

One night, I found my chica was taking a day off. I approached a girl whom I had never spoken before. When I first talked to her at the bar, she nervously asked me about "my girlfriend". I denied that she was my girlfriend, but she didn't believe me. I then asked her to go upstairs with me, and this visibly shocked her. She paused for a second, and then said "okay, if you want it".

On our way to the hotel, she told me, "I know you like big breasts. I don't have big breasts." I laughed and told her "That's not important". Inside the room, she kept talking about my "girlfriend". "I hope I can do it as well as your girlfriend". We got into bed, and found that we liked the way how we fucked each other. She said, "I am lucky, because your girlfriend is not working today". I was also getting into this "affair game", so I told her that I had always liked her and wanted to fuck her. She came twice. She said "I didn't know what your girlfriend was getting".

After the session, I asked her to keep our session "secret". She did the sign of the cross, and told me that nobody else would ever know it. She then told me that we should leave the room separately so that we would not be seen. I obliged.

Since then, every time I see my #2 chica at the club, she behaves very nervously. One night, I just said hi, she whispered into my ear "your girlfriend is here". I am kind of enjoying the tension, and while I continue to see my #1 chica once a week, I am fantasizing about taking out my #2 chica for an all-nighter at a distant location sometime soon.

Re: cheaing a chica for another chica

I don't claim to be an expert on this game, but I started seeing the same girl once a week three months ago (always paid). I didn't think much of this type of arrangement other than the obvious fact that I found a favorita. But, lately, I've realized that I am perceived as her #1 john by bartenders, chicas and other regular johns of my chica (she told me the last one).

One night, I found my chica was taking a day off. I approached a girl whom I had never spoken before. When I first talked to her at the bar, she nervously asked me about "my girlfriend". I denied that she was my girlfriend, but she didn't believe me. I then asked her to go upstairs with me, and this visibly shocked her. She paused for a second, and then said "okay, if you want it".

On our way to the hotel, she told me, "I know you like big breasts. I don't have big breasts." I laughed and told her "That's not important". Inside the room, she kept talking about my "girlfriend". "I hope I can do it as well as your girlfriend". We got into bed, and found that we liked the way how we fucked each other. She said, "I am lucky, because your girlfriend is not working today". I was also getting into this "affair game", so I told her that I had always liked her and wanted to fuck her. She came twice. She said "I didn't know what your girlfriend was getting".

After the session, I asked her to keep our session "secret". She did the sign of the cross, and told me that nobody else would ever know it. She then told me that we should leave the room separately so that we would not be seen. I obliged.

Since then, every time I see my #2 chica at the club, she behaves very nervously. One night, I just said hi, she whispered into my ear "your girlfriend is here". I am kind of enjoying the tension, and while I continue to see my #1 chica once a week, I am fantasizing about taking out my #2 chica for an all-nighter at a distant location sometime soon.

Interesting post.I made the mistate of telling one of my chica regulars that I had feelings for another chica in the same bar over a year ago.She still brings this up over a year later.For some strange reason my regular "friend"holds back during our sessions,just a bit.Almost like she is jealous that I don't "love her"in the same way.Yes they are prostitutes,but some,and it may be a very select few, really have major feelings and issues to deal with.
My suggestion is to play with them "straight up" so to speak, it is better for both in the long run,and learn to keep ones mouth shut.I am trying my best.

Sounds a lot like the girls in the LA Hostess clubs. If you start to see a girl regularly, you almost become her "property". Funny thing is when you go on a night she's not working the other girls are real leary of being with you. Professional courtesy? And if you do spend time with another girl, your "regular" will confront you about it next time she sees you in the club. All this from a girl who just gave the guy before you a HJ and who will probably give the guy after you a BJ!

Women........go figure!

Strangelove: I don't know if your whole story is made up, but at AB the girls all know what the others are doing. I started going only a few months ago and on first sight the bar appears to be such a big place. Talking to girls who I never thought were connected, it turns out that their infos are very good. One has to imagine most of them don't have much of a life outside the clubs and often even hang with girls of other clubs. I know several AB girls who are friends with CC or LC girls. So I'm pretty sure that your #1 and #2 both know what is going on.
In my case I know that girls in every shift at AB know who I like and even some girls in LC know who I do at AB. Strangelove has to realize that the Zona is like a tiny village

Robertx:

I told the story as I saw it. Chica #1 may know or may not, but I sort of doubt that she does, at least yet. She is solitary at the club, and tells me that she doesn't have real friends at work (it is not AB). On the other hand, chica #2 is very social, so she may end up telling it to other chicas. Chica #2 actually cringes when her eyes meet with mine. As far as I see, she doesn't look guilty. She looks sincere about trying her best to keep the "secret" to herself.

In the same club, there is another chica (#3) whom I took to an all nighter just before I met chica #1. Chica #3 kept asking me for my repeat business, but once I discovered chica #1, I never went back to her. This understandably upset chica #3 who started acting weirdly toward me, and in my absense she actually lied to chica #1 that I was still doing business with her. Chica #1 reported this to me (she didn't exactly believe chica #3, btw), and I flatly denied the allegation, which was in truth a lie. Interesting tug of wars. I am carefree when it comes to going out with girls in other clubs and doing SGs. You know, I even reported my afternoon adventure with police after I went to Sans Souci on the board.

I am still intrigued that chicas take johns' loyalty pretty seriously.

The mexican chicas behave much more like "real" women than strippers in the US. You may have been very lucky in the sense that you got a non-social chica #1. All I wanted to say that these girls usually talk up a storm during the downtime and a lot more info is available to them than most of the mongers appreciate. I'm always stunned where my favorita knows what I did or didn't do on nights when she's off!
I still keep up with it, because the mileage I'm getting this way is much better than going back to the free roaming ways. I also think that SG, especially the local chicas who are not connected to the outsiders who work the clubs, is a good alternative.

Well, the more I think about it, there are good reasons why chicas take (select) john's loyalty seriously, if they are giving *preferential* treatments to them. This is the case for chica #1 and me, and the original question by Senorpanocha at the top of this board, "what happens if and when you stop paying, can you cheat on a hooker with another hooker?" becomes relevant. Although I have not stopped paying, I am getting LOTS of extras from chica #1 with the same amount of money other guys pay her for a routine session. I get extra time: she has told me not to worry about the time at all (only the hotel kicks us out after 70-90 minutes). I get lots of extra plays and extra affection, as well.

Then, there is an issue of hurt feeling. Chica #1 and I once joked about doing a threesome. I asked her which of the following she preferred, "she and another girl with me" or "I and another guy with her". To my surprise, she said she would prefer the latter, even though she had never done with two guys before (she said she would be scared of doing it). Still, she said she would rather not see me fuck another girl at any cost.

Guys wake up! It's all bullshit about the hurt feelings. They are just working you. They want you to fall in love and guess what when you do, they get more money gifts etc. Theese bitchs don't know the meaning of sincere its all an act.
The funny thing is how many gringos fall for it. Fuck them hard, pay them and dont waste your valueable time with with their crap. Remember Its all about money. It makes me laugh how much time they spend trying to make us think its not.

Xdred;

Thank you for straightening me up.

Just like in any business...it's good to have repeat customers who do buisness on a regular basis...this is called the client base...they are treated special to insure that they are happy and keep returning. Don't be fooled..these hookers only care about $. Getting John's to fall for them is the oldest trick in the book. Ya they are beautiful, and charming and like to fuck. But these are not g/f material. These chicas have serious issues in their lifes.

Xdred: Lighten up: of course it is about money and I don't think anybody should mistake the "relationships" with a mexican whore and a gringo for the real thing.
Still the girls have feelings. It is just not on the same level as in a real relationship. There is the appreciation of good service, the girls I'm with seem to always very eager to provide optimal service and are very interested if I was pleased. Using the service of another chica tells the first that she's not providing good enough service. It is just like a wife who wants to keep her husband satisfied (usually at least in the first few years).
On the other hand is our fantasy: I like to play with the idea that I have some romance, which for once runs at my pace: Dancing when I want, fucking when I want, dinner when I want and on top of it: the sex is often better than with most GF I had in the US.

Robertx,
I don't agree going with other chicas means to a chica that she does not provide good enough services. They all understand the need for a john variety's needs. But on the other hand they like the idea of owning your cum shots for the day. Chicas are human beings so of course they have feelings. The predominant feelings chicas have shown me is their liking to my greenbacks.

i agree robert...to view it as a romantic encounter...makes the evenings fun set a little easier in my mind. A TJ trip too me is just that...an escape from reality for a while. the problem occurs when guys get drawn in too far...when a guy starts to think he's in love, and he wants to bring the chica home, rescue her from la zona..and other dilussional fantasies. see what happened with senorpanocha is these girls got him thinking that he must be loyal to 1 chica...and stay away from the others...thats BS..he should be able to bone whoever he wants...but now this "g/f" chica wants all the buisness for herself and other chicas are hesitant to talk with him...thats b.s

Deucebigalow and Robertx;

If it is all about money, why would chica #2 behave nervously toward me before and after I had sex with her? And what's the purpose of chica #3 lying to chica #1? I am no way suggesting that my relationships with these chicas are "real" (after all, I live with my American GF in SD). But, not all the dynamics I see in the ZN can be explained by money.

Finally, I completely agree with senorpanocha when he wrote "after doing a half a dozen chica's it quickly became apparent that although it was fun it is a vapid experience for me without a connection,so I'm doing the same three girls and making a connection,the sex is so much better now." The key word here is "connection" which is not the same thing as "relationship".

As for me, I am confortable saying I have a "connection" with chica #1. Only she and I know this, so don't even try to argue with me on this one. And one requirement for establishing this "connection" is to SHOW my loyalty to her.

(even though I enjoyed having a secret "affair" with chica #2 whom I would like to fuck again, but that's me.).

Oops. Robertx and I are on the same page. I guess my response is to Deuce. I have a question for you, Deuce. Have you had any favoritas, amiga especials, or whoever you go back regularly?

Let me paraphrase senorpanocha's questions again.

Would chicas' service get better, if they *think* they are monopolizing you? Conversely, if they find out that you are cheating, would their service get worse?

Swadi, Robertx, and Porker think the answers to the questions are YES and YES. PMan cannot know the answers first hand, because he enjoys spreading his wealth too much (heh heh). I only know the answer for the first question, and it is ringing YES. I don't know the answer to the second question first hand, because my chica #1 has not found out my affair.

Strange love..hmmm...i stand corrected. i believe you are correct in saying that if there is a "connection" with a girl the service is better. And it may not be always about money, certain chicas may honestly take a liking to a monger and provide exeptional service for the guy. It's just hard to distinguish between honest feelings and acting. i'm just saying that these girls don't go to work for fun, it's to make money. And these girls are good actors. Example: I speak spanish but i look like a clean cut white yuppie guy...and they speak spanish to eachother in front of me all the time thinking i dont understand...and from what they say to eachother..i see that most of the girls are acting and looking for the quick easy money.

I have sort of started a field trip psychology experiment quite by accident. I go down there daytime every week,lately twice a week,and I see the same two girls, different clubs. They are both the same age,each has two kids,each is divorced.
One is a trophy the other is pretty but no where near a trophy. I wanted almost from the beginning to make a connection with each so that it would be a GFE experience for me. What I did and continue to do is to set up "Dates",I call them well in advance we meet at the clubs and I take them out,lunch,movie,shopping,then we go to a different hotel,spend a couple of hours,then I have to go home.
This has worked great although it costs a lot more money than if I just go down there do them and split. I really enjoy socializing before and after the sex.
Ok here is the interesting part,in the beginning it was impossible to tell if they liked me or were acting,they are really good at acting,even while I'm bringing them to orgasm. NOW over the last few weeks the non trophy is becoming a seperate experience from the trophy,she is the GFE,we went to the movies last week and just made out in there like high school,took her shopping and bought her stuff,but she never asked for anything,How can I tell she really likes me? IT'S IN THE KISS, we didn't kiss like this in the beginning,just little pecks during sex,she would turn her head,so I knew she wasn't into it.Now it is full open mouth and passionate and she does it on her own even when were out in public. The trophy is a very sweet women,I have a great time with her,we have fun,but I can't touch her heart,not yet anyway,WHY? I can tell you one thing,NUMBER ONE,she makes an UNGODLY amount of money by anyone's standard. She told me a one point while we were talking about her ever getting married again " why,I dont need a man, I make enough on my own." Here is the sad truth for any man,me included, that willingly or accidentally falls for a Chica like this,it is a real uphill battle to touch her heart. Btw, this one does NOT like kissing,beyond the little pecks we give each other. SHE DOES NOT NEED ME,for anything,I can now tell the difference,it's like a red flag,this is my signal,when you are with a Chica and she is reluctant to do something,DON'T PURSUE IT,if she starts doing it later on her own,then a change has taken place. This is my gauge,these two started at the same time and have now taken a divergent path. One makes far more money than the other. One is by anyone's standards absolutely beautiful. So you tell me whats going on. For me this whole thing has helped me learn about myself so much as to make the experience invaluable. A big challenge will be to see if I can get the trophy to feel something beyond where we are now and if I CAN'T then maybe I will move on to someone else,because it won't be for my lack of trying, just knowing when my emotional rate of return has peaked.
Your posts are helping me, I hope mine help someone also. Thanks.

And what are you going to do if you get the trophy chica "feeling" for you?Maybe this is one of the main reasons they hold back from the start.Sounds to me like you might be playing with fire!

Swadi makes a good point.

I am not clear about Senorpanocha's intention. Is he looking for a real-life girl friend? From my personal experience, however, relationships based on NEEDS are not as fulfilling as those based on the mutual desire to be together regardless of needs. But, again, that's probably just me.

Deuce;

Would you care to share us what you overheard from chicas talking to each other?

SENORPANOCHA let me share with you a similar experiance that helped me understand these chicas:
Two years ago i worked as a driver/bodyguard for an escort company located in o.c. ca. I would basically drive girls to thier "shows"...stand outside a house...or hotel room and made sure everything went smooth. Most of these girls had sex..some didn't...to me it didn't matter. I fell in love with one of the girls...we dated..and eventually moved in with eachother. She exclusivly did bachelor parties. At first it was fun and easy...but as my feelings grew it became hard for me to watch the show (she did various whipcream games, whipping, dildo shows etc). One day i told her how much i loved her and that her job was destroying me. She replied that she thought many times about quiting..but the money was too good...she couldnt go back to a 9-5 job. She told me that i knew she was a stripper when we met...so why do i have a problem with her job now. She assured me that her job has no influence on our relationship...and not to worry.
I listened..but she wasn't truthful...her job effected her whole life. When at the bachelor party she was all smiles..at the end of the night at home...she would crawl into a fetal position and cry herself to sleep..i would have to hold her like a baby....this happened after every bachelor party. When i made love to her...she wouldnt kiss me...and many times in the middle of it she would close her eyes...then start to cry.
Money came so easy...and was spent even easier..she was always broke...and her credit was destroyed. She never really trusted me..or beleived me when i had heart to heart talks with her. i found out later that she cheated on me many times...when i asked her why...she told me she did it and so what.. with no remourse. All of her relationships have failed...she supported most of her previous boyfriends. Honestly i would have married that girl...but In her mind she didn't believe anyone would really want her other than just for sex.
The Point Is: These girls have serious issues...it's very sad...all of the escorts/strippers that worked at the company (25 of them) had the same exact issues...thier life was a mirror of my girlfriends life.

Strangelove..they basically just talk shit. i heard them call me cheap, and then make plans to negotiate a higher price than i asked... often times i will justify my asking price by saying "that girl over there will do it for only $20" (as i point in a random direction). After i say this they often talk to their friend about who this girl is lowering the prices like that..and getting pissed at her. Sometimes they just tell thier friend standing there that im a nice guy..or ask them if they think im guapo.

Deuce: I 100% agree with you when it comes to US strippers, but I'm still not sure about mexican chicas. They may be "regular" people who just don't have the means to survive out whatever hellhole in southern mexico they come from. I don't speak much spanglish and therefore am afraid that I miss the nuances.
The chicas I'm with are much less flacky and unreliable than most strippers I know. Maybe some of you bilingual guys can educate me on that.

Strangelove...one more thing...when negotiating, or for any reason they just want to cease the conversation...they will suddenly have a problem with the english language (at very conveniant times) "no habla engles muy bien" :o( This is B.S....when i hear them talk to their friend in spanish...discussing our conversation... it is apparent that most of these girls speak better english than they lead us to believe.

I heard from some girls, that a lot of gringos seem to prefer girls who speak little english.

Swadi

I think you are right,why should they complicate their lives with guys that are probably as dysfuntional as they are.I have know idea what I intend other than to enjoy myself and although I 'm a giving person I don't want to hurt people. I just enjoy the feeling I get from being with them so much that I try to take it to the next level.
Strangelove
Relationships based on needs,thats a good one. That hit me like a 2 x 4. You are dead on. I'm the needy one,shit now I feel guilty,it's almost impossible to make me feel guilty about anything.

Duece
The weird thing to me is that these girls all seem real normal,down to earth,easy going, fun,but based on everything I think I know, you HAVE to be fucked up to do a job like this. I feel sad also for them,I wish I could help them,I guess thats the "rescue" mentality.

Senor, at the time i thought the job would be fun. But in retrospect i agree that it was a fucked up job. But realize that for me it was a "cool" job until i saw the issues... Then i quit.

SENOR...please... "these girls seem normal...". Is it "normal" for a girl to have sex with multiple strangers one after another 4 nights a week? If you were in a relationship with one of these girls...do you think she would think twice about cheating on you? better yet...if she did so do you think she would regret it or feel sorrow? The majority of girls i know...which statisticaly averages out to be "normal" ...would not even kiss a guy...much less have sex unless they were dating. "It's weird that they seem, normal, down to earth...etc"....I'm a carsalesman.. .when i go to work, despite what's going on negative in my personal life, i make sure to put a smile on my face and be charming as well...because this is what attracts customers and earns their buisiness. wake up and smell the tequilla.

You're absolutely correct! As "normal" as some zona girls may appear, they still have many underlying problems and or circumstances that preclude them from actually being a "normal" girl. Don't think you can tame a wild animal, they may warm up to you, they may show you love & affection, but don't forget they are still from the jungle and are capable of attacking! Trust me I know, I have been (in love & in lust) with many chicas in the past years from the Zona Norte ranging from the Rancheras at Tropical & HK to the "Trophy Fucks" of Chicago and Adelitas.

You can take this info with either a grain of salt or a shot of tequila (most recommended), just remember to have fun and DON'T fall for these chicas, you cannot even begin to repair all the damage they have incurred throughout there life.

If the sex is free then take it! Everyone out who knows me, completely understands that this is my credo in the Zona…

Johnny

Senorpanocha
You are only kidding yourself.It is only about the money.Stop buying gifts or paying for the sex
and see how long the girl will stay around.
You are a veteran monger you know the game but it is nice to think that they could really care.

I think the guys who have been pointing out the economic differences between life in US and life in Mex. are on to something more than Deuce is admitting. There are real problems with making the kind of psychological generalizations one can legitimately make about American sex industry girls apply to Mexican sex industry girls--precisely because almost every American girl involved in that industry has OTHER FEASIBLE ECONOMIC CHOICES, even if she has a bunch of kids and no education, simply because she's in the richest country in the world. I don't buy Deuce's generalization about all Mexican working girls being equally psychologically screwy because I've MET many who were not the slightest bit more screwy than other Mexican girls I've met from similar backgrounds. The fact is that for cute poor girls with no education who have the misfortune of having let some loser get her pregnant a bunch of times before bailing, hooking is one of the few ways which even remotely offers the possibility of economic solvency. Sure, she has other choices--she can stay at home with Mama in the boonies in Oaxaca and harvest dirt with the rest of 'em. But the situation is way more grim from that economic point of view than it is for ANY girl working in the US. Again, just speaking from experience--I know more than a few girls who are working on the street in TJ who are as sweet as they come, many of them in fact come in for short time only, just long enough to make some serious money as fast as possible, then to go elsewhere with their new capital and try something more 'respectable.'

There is no WELFARE in Mexico.In the U.S.the bitches can stay home,make kids,and get fat eating bon bons all day.Then go cash there welfare check.This is not an option in Mexico.You actually need to do something to feed the kids.Why some of you guys don't get it is beyond me.Yes,the LARGE majority of the chicas in the main clubs are there for the $$$.But if you don't think most of the chicas in the street, and for that matter some in the clubs, have feelings and would like to live a "normal life", you guys are truly jaded and must have been hammered pretty good in life,to have such a negative attitude about it!

Swadi,
Right in there witcha on that one, man! Nicely said.

Ritmo,

I don't think your argument supports any contention that a Mexican working girl is less likely to have "issues" than a US working girl. It could be argued that the fact they have fewer options could make this kind of work more damaging to them mentally, emotionally, spiritually etc. If a girl enters this kind of lifestyle by choice don't you think it would be potentially less damaging than doing it out of neccesity? Volunteering over being drafted, servitude over slavery.

Of course this is just some antics with semantics, I think it was Deuce who posted earlier about being a driver for escorts and seeing the "other" side of the game when he got involved with one of the girls. Similiar to the experiences I had when I worked the nightclubs in San Francisco during the '70's and knew a lot of dancers, street hookers and every character you could imagine (and a lot of characters I'm sure a lot of you could never imagine!) It's a job with a tremendous toll for the girls....fun for us. I see a lot of romanticizing, justifying and just plain out lying to yourselves on these boards...a lot of "I'm such a nifty guy and so am I"...like I said before...this is purely a selfish act on our part...it's fun and it's easy...nothing more nothing less. I never paid to pay till two years ago, and sometimes when I read the stuff you guys post it reminds me why I always thought it wasn't for me. Nothing to do with morality, sins or any of that stuff, more about not being into baffling bullshit.

Senor Panocha..I have much respect for you...I have been reading your postings for a long time now and recognize you are a veteran monger and i want to make it clear i didnt mean to attack or offend you in my responses..i just feel strongly about this particular subject.
Ritmo...my opinion of the chicas are based on two undeniable notions: 1)In the US as well as TJ, girls working in the sex industry make so much insane amounts of money. That to go back to a regular job would jeprodize their whole life style. These girls may have cars, homes, or be supporting family or boyfriends. To walk away from that kind of income would be disasterous to them. In mexico there are NO jobs that can even match their income. And in the US a girl might be able to do with a less paying job...but what ever "toys" she has..nice car, condo etc..would most likely be reposesed and her credit ruined. The Point: Once they are in they are stuck.

Ritmo..2)Mexicos economic situation as justifing the reason they work in La Zona...Notion: If someone feels strongly enough about a personal moral/value...not even God could make them commit an act they are opposed to. For example im not prejudice or homophobic...but i would rather eat shit from a tijuana gutter and die than commit a homosexual act...because my every ounce of flesh on me cringes at the thought of it. The Point: True.. whoring sounds a little better than working in a mexican farm field rakeing dirt...but i know girls that would rather do that than sell thier bodies...dispite their charming demeaner and drop dead smile...These chicas are untamable animals ...with seriously low morals/values.

Redongdo...I agree with you 100%
I am a WHORE MONGER I enjoy fucking gorgeous TJ whores and never having to see them again if i choose. I have fun when im there because im around like minded guys just like me. I feel comfort in the fact that these guys have girlfriends and wifes and friends and family that dont know they do this...i feel a blanket of comradery...like i did when i was in the Navy. Although I feel some sorrow for these girls due to insight from past employment in the industry...i feel no guilt in what i do..i enjoy it. I find it fun to talk and party with the chicas and i like them all (well most)...in fact i wouldnt mind being a good friend to one or two. But i realize these chicas are untamable and lack morals..therefore i do not consider them to be girlfriend material...and would never start to have feelings for one of them..(I did once, and i avoid her because of it)...THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE.

Redongdo,
I don't agree about the volunteers vs. draftees analogy--if the volunteers (i.e., the American working girls) have other choices and decide to join the psychotic organization anyway, this is testimony to their psychosis. That inductees who genuinely don't have many good alternatives suffer psychological harm once inside the system is very likely, but my own experiences tell me that many of these girls at least begin with a relatively less psychotic profile. In my experience, many American working girls have an extremely screwy relationship to sexuality before they enter the biz--in fact, they enter BECAUSE they have a screwy relationship to sexuality. I don't think this is so frequently the case with Mexican working girls--not that it never happens, but that it is less the rule than with gringas. Of course, the odds are very great that even non-psychotic chicas in the biz will become psychotic if they stay in it over a long haul. My point was that I have met lots of chicas who were not long-time girls (and who I pray will not become long-time girls) who seemed to me way more 'normal' than almost any gringa working in the sex industry I've met--i.e., not fucked up on drugs, not even into smoking and cursing, demure and shy in so far as that's possible when you're having sex with strange guys for a living, not criminal and mercenary in their gut motivations.

I don't understand what you mean by the 'baffling bullshit.'

Rimo is correct I believe. To start in the industry they have to be sexually screwy (Ho's, the cheerleader that all the football players fucked under the bleachers, been molested e.t.c.)
A slutty mentality of sex is what got them to start working. Then after they are in the industry for awhile they develop serious issues with relationships ( mistrust of men, low self esteem e.t.c.) This is just my theory cause it seems logical.

I gotta agree totally with Johnny, Duece, Redongdoo. These chicas are a different breed a cat. When some of em started at Trop or whereever, mayhaps not. Once they get in to deep, it's fucking hard to dig yourself out. Materially they may be well off relative to other Mexicanas, but they know they are putas at heart. Tainted coin. You don't think Mexicanas don't cry themselves to sleep like the above American stripper/ho, sometimes clutching their hijos for comfort? I've gotten pussy for free and paid for it, I've had chicas fall for me and want me to rescue em. I've had ficha only "novias" that finally went home because they couldn't take it no mo, drunk dudes groping at em in the bar and shit. They see it as trabajo, no mo. Drove me fucking nuts, seeing mi chica fend off some drunk asshole, or worse, kiss up to him for money. I'm readin this mess about dudes "takin it to the next level", they're deluding themselves. You are an ATM machine, nada mas. If the trophy ain't even kissin ya, you can fuckin forget it, dude! lol

I think if a chica gets out BEFORE she gets in to deep, she's got a chance. But they got no plans beyond the next dia for the most part. I will NEVER have a "novia" hooker again, ain't worth the stress. They are TO fucked up for words. They can be sweet as sugar and mean as shit from trying to deal with it. It is beyond your control! From experience, dudes, don't get caught up...you will PAY much more than money...and risk your health!

Deuce my man,
Don't you see the SLIGHTEST difficulty in criticizing working girls for "lacking morals" (which makes them non-girlfriend material in your view), while you're in there with the rest of us amoral puta fuckers? Dude, ALL of us are having moral dilemmas on this ship!

I would like to throw a curveball on this subject, even though it is not completely relevant. I have met MANY (American) women, highly educated and often feminists, who pride themselves in being sexually *liberated*. Sleeping around with multiple men (even when they are in the relationships) is not a moral sin for them. Of course, most of these women are disgusted by the notion of "sex for money", so they won't necessarily support prostitutes. But, if you simply talk about sexuality, the moral value varies from woman to woman.

Ritmo,

Good point about US (I hesitate to use "American" since...hey Mexico is part of America!) women/girls probably being nuttier going into this "profession" than the Mexican counterparts. However I think the more "respectable" Mexican girls who go into it suffer the most because they have to compromise their beliefs more. The US woman might have a screwed up head due to some past experience, drug addiction or just be a flake in general. While I'm sure there's a sizable percentage of Mexican women who share those characterestics....the ones who are "respectable" and are sincerely doing this to support families and/or survive in general, IMNSHO, are the ones who suffer the most from the aftermath of giving into the pressure. In other words I think it's more of a bummer to compromise your values than to not have had those values in the first place when entering this particular arena.

As to the Baffling BS part....just ranting/venting.

Ritmo..I never said that i was an angel. And i knew someone was going to bring up the fact i seem like a hypocrite for fucking whores then bashing their morals....but...simply put I'm a monger..I fuck whores, i lack morals but i dont care...yet i would never want one of them as a girlfriend because of their lack of morals. Sounds bad but i guess just want my cake and eat it too...and in TJ i can do that.

I don't care about your wanting your cake and eating it, but your double standard on morals, i.e. "you can lack morals, but your girls can't", sounds ridiculous.

Strangelove... The curve ball... I know alot of girls who think like that, seems to be a generation x trend. These girls think that if guys can did it so can they. So they use guys for sex basically...meet them in the club and take em home...they are not sluts in thier minds, they just want to get laid so they do it. They tend to hang out with guy friends...a few buddies of mine hang with girls like that but i dont know them well enough to have an opinion of them...But if they are trying to be like guys i'll compare them to me: I have no problem going to a nightclub back home and getting a girl drunk and taking her home to fuck if i feel like getting laid...but i wouldn't be a male escort and sell myself to all different kinds of women i may or may not be attracted too. The Point: I cant compare those girls to the chicas in TJ.

No, I wasn't talking about generation x. They are too young for me. I was talking about women I dated in the last several years, they are in their 30s.

I am leaving for TJ now, should be in ZN by 11pm. Have a good evening, guys.

Strangelove..i know my view that.."i can lack morals, but my girls can't" sounds ridiculous...but that's just the way i feel. I'm just being honest. The truth is i have a g/f in Orange County that i love very much..we have been dating a year and are seriously thinking about engagement..she is 23 and christian..real conservative. Even though she's christian and has strong morals/values we still have sex. Now i know all the guys in the Zona can't ALL be single so im not alone in saying this. During sex i am respectful to her and treat her well..this is my future wife. I can't treat her like a whore. I think TJ chicas fill a need for primal sex that i can't let out on someone i care about. What im trying to say is, have someone back home who's a keeper...and leave the TJ girls in their place.

Red,
You're probably right (and also on my use of "American"--wish there was a good English translation for "estadounidense"--but "UnitedStatesean" sounds a little goofy!). The less-screwed up girls who get in are going to have the biggest collision to deal with between their previous worldview and what they'll learn on the street or in the club. And the longer they're in it, the more damage that collision's likely to produce.

Ritmo,

There you go, probably one of those instances where we were bascially thinking along the same lines...just coming from different angles.

Also wasn't criticizing you specifically for the "American" reference, it's something all of us UnitedStateseans seem to suffer from....we claim the entire continent!

Re: the potential collisions...this is something I hope doesn't take too large of a toll also...though first hand experience tells me otherwise.

I have a good amiga at CC who is raising three daughters and she is "different"...doesn't hang with a lot of other girls and isn't into drugs and stuff. When you talk to her you're amazed she's even doing this, she's got a great attitude and a funny sense of humor. Last time I saw her I pretended I was her hubby and asked her why she wasn't back at the casa with our ten kids...she went along with it and her amiga was almost freaking out. This is a chica I met when I first started doing this about 2 years ago. It was about 3:30am, I was drunk off my butt (big surprise!) just finished with my 2nd or 3rd AB chica and had just enough cash for a beer and cab back. I was dazzling her with my brilliance when I pulled out all the cash I had in my pocket, 5 bucks, and offered it to her. Most chicas...especially CC...would have split or told me to take a hike. She actually laughed and told me to save the 5 bucks for the cab ride home and she'd "wait for me". She's been one of my best TJ buddies since and we still laugh about it.

Redongo
Your story reminds me of why a favorita becomes a favorita.She does something special for you.She doesn't just fuck you(she does that for everyone).

Specific said,"She does something special for you. she doesn't just fuck you(she does that for everyone)." LOL Ya gotta love TJ!

Girls can give you special treatment either at the bar or in bed. *To me*, what defines a GFE in bed is whether a chica cums or not. Yeah, yeah, some may fake it, but the ones I am talking about are real.

Example. During the first encounter, chica #2 whom I mentioned above was riding on me. She was obviously feeling good, so I started poking her from the bottom. Then, she stopped, and told me "No, I don't want to cum". I said, "Why?" "I'm at work. I get too tired." I said, "Oh, come on. Just let it go." And I accelrated my poking, and she came big. We switched positions, and she came again with me on top. This was about one month ago.

I went upstairs with chica #2 again last night. Chica #1 was again having a day off. I visited the club on Tues, as well, but didn't fuck anybody from this club (I went with Esmeralda AB, who turned out to be a dud). So, chica #2 had seen me walking around picking nobody at her club for a while. When I finally gave her a hand signal to come over to me, she dashed toward me. I had not seen anybody as excited as she was by just being picked up. She kept giggling all the way from the club to the hotel. (As a sidenote, I always enjoyed Prime's reports, but never believed when he described girls he went upstairs looked all excited by just being picked up by him. Now, it happened to me once, I believe him.)

To make a long story short, chica #2 and I had an explosive session. I will spare you with the details of the session (hint, no condom required), but to continue the theme of this post, by this time, she came to the session willing to cum. In fact, she probably came 5-6 times during 70+ minutes. And to continue with the theme of this thread, when the session ended, she asked me SEVERAL TIMES, "Don't I have to pay you?"

Strangelove, you are one happy boy I had a chica squirt last week, the first time I realized that they do have real orgasm during work. Until than I simply assumed that they were always faking
Still I would ALWAYS pork only with a condom. She may treat you as a good friend and not even charge you (never happend to me), but at the end of the day she's still a whore. That means she has sex with way more people than you. Ergo, your risk of getting something from her is way higher than the other way around.

"I am too cheap to pay for allnighters as I think they should be free as I believe a role reversal occurs where I have to entertain chicas." by Pman on Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 07:40 am:

I took this sentence from Pman's post at the newbie thread. I find this statement interesting and relevant to our "sex for free" discussion. With all due respect to Pman's review contributions, I must say, his idea of TJ fun is completely opposite of mine.

Any opinion on this?

I have to toss in my two cents here, and call me real bitter, But I think the dynamics of realationships with women are screwed up anyway, I mean I recently was explaing a problem I was having with a female to a friend of mine, he looked at me square in the eye and said- she's a woman of course she's screwed up they all are. It has become my view over the past 6 months or so that I really do not want ANY emotional relationship with women (long story, getting real bitter) and that is why I veiw these women (US or Mexico) in a nice light, You know why go out on a date spend $100 on some chick and MAYBE get what you want but more likely have to listen to her for two hours and maybe get a kiss good night when you can more or less just go on down hand this really nice looking girl $40-$60 to screw you and then say see ya- I don't care about your job, your Kid, your ex-husband, or how much you liked Erin Brokavich blah blah blah (the things women talk about on dates)

And here is my thought, I have no real perspective on Mexican working girls as I do not know them well enough to have opinions (I really do not speak Spanish well enough to make a novia and frankly I want to cum and they want my money I don't live close enough to see the same girl twice so why give any pretense to the fact I care or they care one whit about me.) Let me say this because I deal with it, I know a lot of girls, due to my proffession, who are from every spectrum of the business (from light phone sex operators to strippers to Street hookers to $500 an hour escorts) they are very screwed up emotionally (and after my comments about women some of you either are saying so are you or right on! either way depending on your perspective) and if you ever think that you could have a happy relationship with one of these women you are fooling yourself. Women who go into this proffesion are NEVER okay again. I promise this- I have read hundreds of court ordered psych reports on women who have gotten busted for minor stuff to promotion of prostitution, my friends I will say this all women are screwed up...(sort of a joke) but women involved in the sex industry are VERY VERY screwed up.

Laredojim, I agree that the sex industry is harsh to the workers, but do you have any insight into psychiatric conditions of TJ prostitutes?

Going back to PMan's post, what I thought was funny was his comment on a "role" reversal. From his comment, I get a distinct impression that he seperates a giver from a taker in the act of sex. *I* like chicas who see sex as a dialogue, not as a unidirectional "service". Most trophy fucks and all chicas on the clock are the latter types. But, occasionally, I find girls who genuinely have fun with me. I enjoy seeing chicas cum. That's GFE. And those chicas who cum with me give me back much more than I give her.

Strange Love,

No I am not a trained psychologist or anything of that nature, nor do I have above average insight into the human psyche, my view point on ANY woman, and I mean white women, in American society is that they are VERY seriously screwed in the head. While I myself have no training to realize it I have read a lot of psyche reports about said women, I also have known several of these girls not on emotional intimate level but well enough to have them discuss their true feelings.

I re-read Deuces post about his experiences working for then dating a chick who was in the life and it all rang real true from what I know, or have seen to be true.

I liked your comments on the trophy girls, one of the best pieces of advice I ever got about ole Mexico there I was sitting at a table with a newly acquired friend (is it not amazing how you can just meet and have instant camraderie) Well after my 2nd trip back I told him hey you need to go do this chick she's hot (Sonja @ papaguayos for any of you Nuevo Laredo boys) and he said hell no, she is just a production worker stear clear from them. Way I see it is look for those of you lucky enough to live close enough to be able to go down and form some sort of relationships with these women I CAN see how that might be beneficial and fun, and even maybe possible. As for Myslef- I mean I never got down there enough to see the same girl often (there are a couple i.e. Sonja, Elizabeth @ MArabu) that I always went for the trophy chicks.

Brother Laredo,
Your comment about not wanting to hear about how much some girl liked Erin Brockovich made my soda come out of my nose, I was laughing so hard.

Strangelove
I always seek gfe from chicas, that's why I keep alternating between the mistress/whore concept. My fav(s) give me gfe while one timer or two timers may or may not. I like to give the cuties a second chance unless first strike was really bad.
I just don't see the purpose of an allnighter session as I need my beauty sleep. If a chica likes me enough, she is welcome to share my bed but not at a $ cost. I will be happy to share my time and my company at no charge.

In Mexico prostitution is legal and carries no guilt. In the US it is illegal and the woman feels guilty, which affects her behaviour. Most mexican girls I know (I seldom do superstars after they become famous, I did Silvia in the first month she was at AB) only do one or two guys a night, so $100 a day is typical. So, go down early and often.

Laredojim;
It is fun to make connections with certain chicas. Another thing to note is, I feel a difference when a girl recognizes me as a regular rather than a tourist. I am assuming that this motivates her to give me a good session so that she can get a return business. Or, maybe I'm just assuming too much.

Pman;
I wasn't sure what you meant by "entertain", so thank you for clarifying. Anyway, if you calculate the dollar per hour of sex (I mean, without counting sleep time) for allnighters, you should be able to do better than $60/hr (your usual affair, assuming $50 to chica $10 to hotel). If you divide the money by the number of cum shots, however, it would be hard (for me, anyway) to do better than $60/cum, especially with the all-nighter hotel fee. So, it depends upon what you base your cost value on.

I've only done two allnighters myself (my chica #1 doesn't do them). Frankly, I can't afford to do them often, if I want to go to TJ twice a week. I once did two $60 sessions with chica #1 in one night, though. It wasn't a plan, but after one hour break during which she went upstairs with another guy, I decided to go back to her. She was extremely pleased when she saw me for the second time. She was always generous with her time for me, but that second time was even longer than usual. That $120 ended up buying nearly three hours of her night. For me, that was a good alternative to an allgnither. Obviously, I can't generalize this hour amount to other situations. But, for people who have budgets for a night, going with their favoritas for the second time might give them the best value.

Strangelove- I mean no disrespect to you or any other of the fine gentelmen here who, thanks to geography have the opportunity to get to know and repeat and get to know certain individual women. I never mean to br critical of other men who form what ever level of itamacy they achive with these women. My point was because I am so far away from doing this om a regular basis (and other factors such as my personality in which I want to just screw as many women as possible, not form emotional attachments)I find it impractical to really form Girl friends but that is not to say I would given the chance. Good luck to you sir.

694me- Nice point and I would like to ask one step further- Not only is it illegal in the US, it is very much looked doen upon from a social and moral standard, I think the girls (and many of us who patronize sex workers here see it as "bad" for no other reason than we are told it is, thus suffer different degrees of guilt, emotional instability from it.) Same way in Mexico? I mean is it such a taboo in Mexico (from a cultural point of view to be a sex worker?)


Bro. Ritmo- Really? glad I could provide you a laugh. I mean really I do not know your age, but see what you think about this, at my age (28) I would rather take the $60 + I am going to spend on a date and MAYBE get something at the end and just go to Boys Town, watch a ball game drink beer and oh yeah get laid from a girl who will be twice the looker I am at dinner with listening to how her mini-van needs work, what a dick her ex-husband is and hey why don't we rent the new Meg Ryan movie this weekend.

Laredo: I can't answer your question on Mexican sex taboos since I am not Mexican and cannot speak Spanish. I suggets you send a post to El Chamuco who is more conversant with the Mexican ethos.

694me says: "In Mexico prostitution is legal and carries no guilt." With all respect, you do not really believe that do you? Legal to an extent, yes. Looked upon as a virtuous occupation by Mexican society in general, not. Almost every working girl I have known down there dealt with it in the same way. They lied to everyone outside of the Zona about what they do for a living. Don't forget the importance of the family unit and the prominence of Catholicism in Mexico. Two institutions that do not look real kindly at becoming a prostitute. "Puta la madre, puta la hija" is far from a compliment. Right now I am involved with someone who spends several hundred dollars A WEEK to maintain the illusion to her family and friends that she is not even in Tijuana but within driving distance of her home town.

But, Otra Vida, what about the select few, the PROUD, that are ENCOURAGED to entertain gringos for dollars so that the family loved ones can live the life of leisure and luxury in their home with dirt floors and no running water??? Know anybody who fits that profile?

I am beginning to find it very hard to believe that so many of these girls family members think that you can earn $500 to $1000 a week, or more, waiting tables, or being a secretary, in tj.
Don't know about your familys,but I don't think mine is that naive.

Swadi- first of all they don't send their family ALL their earnings. Second, many of them tell their family they're working in hotels & restaurants that cater to Americans who spend big bucks. Believe me in most situations, the last thing their families would believe is that their daughter is hooking!

My fav pissed me off some time ago and what did I do? I got another chica from HC right in front of her and went upstairs. Am I paying for it now?
Yup. Literally. She has hinted previously that someone was paying her $200 for two hours and I never said anything. I paid her a flat fee for several hours until I did what I did. Now I am paying what that other someone pays.

As the world turns in TJ!!!!

Let me update my chica triangle thing. When I went to TJ 2 weeks ago, I again didn't see chica #1 (apparently she stopped working on weekdays when I prefer going). So, I ended up going upstairs with chica #2. She was totally wild in the hotel, giving me two huge hickeys. The sex was so great that I didn't think much of those teeth marks until they remained recognizable for the next 1 week. This was a major inconvenience that I had to hide from my g/f. It also made me reluctant to go to see chica #1. So, I didn't go to their club, instead went to AB a couple of times during this time (and those AB girls laughed at the hickeys). Then, last Friday, chica #1 called me (I'd given her my phone number). She quizzed me on why I stopped coming to the club. She even told me that chica #3 (!) had informed her that chica #2 and I went upstairs, duh! Anyway, chica #1 and I made up over the phone. I told her that my intention was to see her when I went to the club. I told her that only after I found out she was taking a day off, I went upstairs with chica #2. My story (which was true!) satisfied her. I took her to a date, going to the beach and then hotel, yesterday (Luckily, hickeys had just gone away). I think I must stay away from chica #2 for a while, though.

Your story is really interesting. Please keep up the info, you are replacing my favorite soap.
My suspicion is that chica #2 made the kickeys intentionally to mark her territoy (you).
These girls know exactly what they do. Why dont you turn it around and have them compete over you and your business.
I would tease them to get better service.

You are probably right about chica #2's intention about giving me hickeys. She definitely knew what hickeys would do to me.

In a sense, I am already making them compete over me. Chica #2 told me that I was *soooo gooood* at making her cum (thanks, viagra!). But she also knows that she is a second fiddle. Only when chica #1 doesn't show up, she has the chance at me. Chica #1 usually comes late, and nobody knows for sure until midnight (the club's time limit for the night) whether she is taking a day off. The way how chica #2 anxiously waits for the moment (and the way how chica #3 continuously peeks at chica #2 and me) makes me wonder whether there is more than a $60 session at stake.

One nice waitress at La Cucaracha can make hickeys virtually undetectable with the limited makeup she has in her purse. And amazing and valuable talent.

The weekend Chile rellenos are not bad either.

DUDES,
"You can take the girl out of the bar" "But you can never take the bar out of the girl".

Very true . . . thats why my back, my neck, and I are glad that you can't take the "massage" out of the ex-TJ masseuse!

There is no such thing as a free lunch. I have had close relationships over the years with two or three chicas. They all evolved to the point where money was not discussed directly and if I ever brought it up they would shrug their shoulders and say it was "up to you". Several times I wouldn't leave money and nothing was said, other times I would bring a nice gift like a mini stereo system. I will also say that all of these ladies did not particularly like what they were doing but they had families to support and it was a job.
I understood it was their job and respected that time spent with me out of their work day was taking money out of their pocket. In enjoyed these relationships immensely a got many more times the enjoyment than the money spent. To me it was a mutual respect issue.
A month or so ago my fav, her friend, her gringo boyfriend and myself spent the day in Ensenada. At the restaurant the chica were having a in depth conversation while the other guy and myself were talking. As he can speak and understand Spanish fluently, I can't, he later told me what the conversation they were having. They were discussing freebies and how even if they really love someone it is what they do for a living. Their kids and families depend on them for the necessities. If a guy is always looking for freebies they consider it disrespectful and they are being taken advantage of. I spend days at a time with this chica and consider the money I give her a bargain. I know guys who spend as much on one all nighter as I spend for a couple of days plus.
I believe you get the best treatment when you strike a balance between $$ and time that you are both comfortable with.

RUMRUNNER-I couldn't agree with you more.I try to accomodate my chica as much as possible,going off peak hours for her, etc. She treats me pretty well,I'd like a little more time away from the work scene, but I'm working on regaining her trust that I broke, so that's my problem.They really don't do what they do to stroke some monger's ego, at the end of the day, it's business.Most of them don't have a real long shelf life,so you can't begrudge them for trying to get what they can while they can. The memories I've got with my chica are priceless( well,actually they're pretty pricey),but I know what you mean about feeling like you're getting a bargain.
A.

Has anybody heard about the fight between Dianeta and Lily? The following is the verson I heard. These two girls were never good friends. On one recent day, though, they had a real fight. The reason is apparently because Lily talked Dianeta's bf into going upstairs with her for a freebie. The rumor goes, Lily did it just to piss off Dianeta, and she surely succeeded. Their fight apparently involved some sort of physical confrontation, and the CC management punished both for not allowing them to work there for 15 days. This is probably one of the reasons why Dianeata now works at AB.

By the way, on the Thanksgiving night, they were both working, Lily with a funky hairstyle. I'd say, though Ximena is more beautiful than Dianeta standing at similar locations in HC.

What I heard about that fight from a chick who saw it was they were going at it and Roy came out of his room and had to break it up and punished them both for a month, I didn't hear what the fight was about.

I can confirm the suspension is for one month. The bf is weak is all I can say, Dianeta is gorgeous.

Yeah, but Ximena gives better sessions which you couldn't have because you were rude to her (he he he).

Wait. You DID go upstairs with Ximena. I didn't read your review when I posted above. Her Looks, 8?????? You mean, is she too fat for you? That's ridiculous. She is a woman (at age 20).

Your Ximena ratings suck.

Strangelove
No offense YMMV.

Pman
If you like them real thin and a nice girl,Try Diana at ADELITAS.I had only a fair session but YMMV.She told me she liked oriental men.

Specific. I know Pman's type. I can bet you Diana is not his type.

Having said that, I liked Diana's session. She is tight, too.

Strangelove
She was too tight.

She was confortably tight and wasn't too tight for me. Obviously, this could be because your tool is bigger than mine. he he he

"Cocaine"

SV, that is not a common thing. Not even the best looking guys can get a girl to come over a say shit like that, but we all have our good days. With guys drooling for the girls all day, that some of them let it go to thier heads. This girl probably had a few beers, wanted to fuck, and knew all she had to do is say the word. It could have been a dare, hell, it could be anything. I think that's some cool shit.

I think the SGs are the friendliest chicks, at least outside. I do them every now and then, and it usually is a pretty forgetable experience. Lately, the ones I have done have been pretty fucking good. And for $15 or $20 they're always worth a try.