Ok, maybe some of you may help me with something. For the past three months, I've been going to AB and the women there have been asking me out to go on dates with them. Some of them give me their phone numbers and ask me to call them when I'm in town to go to Rosarita Beach (I've thrown the numbers away.) Recently, one of the strippers asked me out and wanted me to pay the doorman $40 before we went out drinking and dancing. I declined. Instead I gave her the $40 and screwed her. When I returned one month later, she asked me out again. This time she didn't want any money. She wanted to drive me in her car to another club that she stripped at. When I asked her where the club was at, she said it was in some far away place in Tijuana. I declined because I didn't feel comfortable venturing outside La Zona Norte or The Avenida. A few weeks ago, another chica asked me out to go out drinking and dancing after her shift ended at AB (she was working the 10am to 8pm shift.) I returned to take her out, but first I paid the doorman $10. Then we went in a taxi to her apartment where she changed into jeans. We hit some of the clubs (like Senor Frogs and Iguana Ranas) and I started feeling uncomfortable. Was this a scam or what? Was I setting myself up to get robbed? I decided to leave early and put the chica back in a cab to her place. Then I went back to AB, got drunk and screwed a couple of whores. The reason I am posting this message is because I'm wondering if this is some new scam by the AB chicas. If so, what where your experiences and how did it turn out? Was it good or bad? I'm planning to go back in a few weeks and may take another chance. Thanks for any help or advice.

If these are girls that you got along well with, or you are particularly good looking, charming, or rich, it was probably just what it seemed. They wanted to go out partying, and they either wanted your company, your money to pay for the drinks, or both. I have gone out with several girls from zona bars. Some were close friends, some where just acquaintances. The only one that might have made me at all suspicious was the one who wanted to go to another club. Was it in La Mesa by any chance? Even so, it was probably legit, but if you are not comfortable, you won't have fun anyway, so why go? As far as the bar fine, if a girl leaves AB before the end of her shift she has to pay, unless the doorman or manager likes her and decides to let it slide, which happens a lot. I have only paid it once, and it was only $20.

Hippie, thanks for your information. I really appreciate it. And as far as I know, the other club was in Tijuana, but it was far away from La Zona (according to the stripper.) This is starting to sound like an OK thing to do. Does anyone have any other experiences with this? Good or bad?

I myself find it very annoying when these whores ask me out on a date.

I go to TJ because of the large selection of chicas I can screw, not for a girlfriend. I want to go down, get in, and get out.

I sometimes don't understand these bitches! Why the heck should I waste my time with girls who want to spend time with me after sex? I can get that at home!
It's been happening more often too. Really becomming a problem.

Puto,

I agree with you that I don't want a Mexican girlfriend, I go to TJ for convenient fucks with whoever suits my mood for that evening. However, I would like to tell about an exception I made recently.

I did have a "date" together with 2 Zona chicas. Both were young 20's, pretty, friendly and work at Adelita/Miami. I've talked with these girls before and figured what the hell I could always cancel the date if it didn't work out. So I told them I'd pick them up and take them to Senor Frogs in Pueblo Amigo. I was staying at the hotel next door and planned on going there and Boleros for the evening anyway. They were waiting for me at exact place/time (7pm) I told them.

So we went to Frogs and had a few drinks, soup, and appetizers (cost: $30). They were flirtatious and I got some kisses in the booth while we were there. I figured we'd end up going to see a movie, but instead they asked me what I would have done if they were not there. I told them Boleros, and they started laughing said okay let's go there. I pleaded with them that it was "guys" place and I didn't want to go there with them. Pretty much they insisted and both pulled me over to the place. The security guard said, "Amigo, dos novias?" So I walked into the place with a girl on each arm and couldn't help having a smile on my face. We had a few drinks (cost: $15) and they each bought me a lap dance from the girls of my choice (their cost: $10). Then they convinced the manager they wanted to dance on stage. Each girl took their turn and they seemed to really enjoy themselves. They even managed to make $5-6 dollars for their dancing from other guys sitting around the stage. The cool thing was that they would look over at me and smile while they danced. We stayed about 1 hour and total cost for me ($20 + plus 2 free lap dances).

Then they asked me if I liked to dance and I said sure why not so we walked around the corner to Santa Fe, a very cool Mexican dance club. This place is huge and has stadium-like table seating with an incredible light show and live music too. They paid my cover, which I think was like $5. We started out with a bottle of Wine and round of Tequila. Once the dancing/music started these girls had a blast. I thought they were going to blow me off but instead it was just the opposite. We spent the whole evening drinking, dancing, and having a great time. 3 bottles of wine, 4 rounds of Tequila, and 2 nachos platters later I was totally fucked up. I was drunk, hot, sweaty, and had 2 cute girls hanging all over me and kissing me. Total bill came to $105.

We literally staggered back to the Pueblo Amigo Inn. I really don't even remember walking, but just as I got to hotel lobby door I went to get my keycard out of wallet. I thought I lost it, but then one of the girls got it out of her purse and gave it to me. She was smart enough to know it was in my jacket and could have been stolen when I sat it down while in the club. We went up to my hotel room together and next thing I knew I was passed out on my bed with my shirt/shoes off. My head was propped up on the pillows. My wallet, keys, and money were all placed neatly on nightstand next to the bed. Everything was there (except the girls). I smiled and then slept until the next morning.

The next day, one of the girls gave me a call on my cell phone asking how I was doing and thanked me for a great evening. When I asked her why she didn't stay the night, she told me I was in no condition for sex.... and she was absolutely correct! I was a babbling, drunk that could even get the keycard in the door. If it weren’t for her, I would have probably slept outside the door.

Now when I look back on this experience, it cost me $155 and I didn't get any sex out of it.
Was it worth to me?...Absolutely! It is something I will remember a long time. I figure for the same price I could have had Africa/Sylvia in AB for 40mins of sex. The latter option may appear to be undisputed choice to a new Zona visitor. But I know given that choice now, I'd take the "Chica date" over those 2 lame lays. Could they have taken my wallet, my keys, and my car?....yes, quite easily because I was wasted. Could they blew me off in Santa Fe and danced with all the other guys....yes, but they didn't.
Or did they have to buy me lap dances or pay for my cover charge? Did they have to make sure my wallet was taken care of? Did have to see me make it to the hotel okay? Did they have to call me to make sure I was okay the next day? The answer is NO, but they did!
Just goes to show you these Mexican chicas are not always what they appear and can surprise you. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Cantinflas and Pollo, if chicas are asking you out, that is a compliment to you and is not a usual thing to have happen in the zona. You obviously made them feel comfortable and they enjoyed/trusted your company enough to ask you out. Most of these chicas are just young ladies who work at AB or CC and still love to have fun like any other senorita. IMO, you had a great thing going. I have never heard of a scam by an AB chica who went on a "freebie" (no cash exchanged for sex) date with a monger.

Paid all-nighters are another story, especially if they think you're codo or don't like you much. YMMV.

Pollo, that sounded like a great night to me! Man, I'm jealous! I'm actually looking for something like that. I've got enough girlfriends on the US side. Screwing chicks gets old. I'm looking for something different. Women who can make me laugh and like to have a good time are a definite plus for me. BTW, the last chica, Paula from Veracruz, suggested Senor Frogs at the Pueblo Amigo Inn as well and I'm thinking that maybe the girls get a cut for referring people there. This appears to be a somewhat common thing and now I'm feeling more comfortable about the situation. So far, I haven't heard a bad experience on this board about this dating scenario(are there any?!)I'll definitely give it another try in a couple of weeks. It also amazes me what great memories the chicas at AB have. Some of them have the whole rundown on you (apparently,they share information about us like we share information about them) and remember your face.

In general, your not gonna get any of the hot chicas asking any of the men whom go to AB...trust me, I've seen what you guys look like...Usually only the mediocre to lower level (dark, short and slightly overweight) chicks will ask many of you out because they really aren't that popular in the club and aren't wore out from 10-15 sessions a night.. The Stars make too much money and are too tired to go out on all nighters with random guys. In addition, don't flatter yourself guys, most of them are asking you out because you are their ticket out of their situation not because your handsome or young. Most of you are fat, middle-aged men or asian..neither of which are appealing to most American women. Reality bites.

Sounds like your a fat,middle aged,jealous old man Blazers.
Oops I forgot,your probably bald too! LOL

nope...young, thin and have hair...just dont like to hear people saying...."I have this problem with girls asking me out"....gimme a break...talk about fishing for compliments

Who the fuck are you to make that assumption? I've been reading your posts for awhile now and up to now have considered them interesting but you are always boasting of "being the novio" of this puta or that puta. It has to start somewhere...even with the innocent "asking the guy if he wants to go drinking somwhere else".

I'm not much to look at & I guess I do throw some $$$ around but I've had more then a small share of "stars" (yes, even ones on your Redsnake list) asking to meet me later for free. I count a few of these as good friends and they've even turned down offers of $$ from me when I knew they needed it. They call me in the US and like to spend time with me BECAUSE I'M A NICE GUY.

Sorry for the caps but I thought you might be used to it after reading some of your past posts. If you think you're not in the class of "the fat, middle-aged or asian" mongers...why do you even have to go to TJ for your action?

Reality DOES bite!

Aardvark...I apologize if you were offended specifically, it's just that posts bragging about how they have problems because all these girls are asking them out are ridiculous. That's not a problem....if it is, in fact, true. Besides, I've never bragged about being a former novio of a puta(singular), just giving information. I'm not judging anyone for going out with girls outside of work...in fact, I encourage it. It's just that this board should not be a springboard for people to get compliments from other mongers (not useful at all)

Not "offended specifically"...that can't happen with anything I do below the border. IMHO, this board is and always should be a springboard for ANYTHING to do with TJ. If a guy wants to brag or write a post ala Penthouse Forum, all the power to him.

Everything written & read on this board has to be processed through your own personal filter. Like it or not, believe it or not, learn from it or not...just don't pop any balloons that may have more then one string attached.

I disagree with you Blazers, you'd be surprised who the girls were. All I will say is that these were HC girls and I'm about the further thing from a "fat, middle-aged men or asian".
Just like some American guys like Latinas, some Latinas truly like American guys. Especially if you are young, attractive, rich and nice.
I don't flatter myself becuase these were in fact prostitutes, but the important thing is that I had a better time than I thought was possible on a chica-date. I hear so many times how these girls hate Mexican men because they are lazy, unloyal, violent and controlling. These girls are high-income earners and enjoy finer things like Versace clothes, good wine/food, and a nice evening. And a lot of these girls make more money than the guys who monger them. Certainly more than any non-drugdealing local Mexican man.
These girls are not that much different than some strip club dancers I've dated in the States, they are in the profession because it is great money and allows them to be independent. I'm not a advocate of having a mexcian novia, because I could never love a whore but damn there is nothing wrong with having a good time outside the bar with these girls.

Pollo...I agree with pretty much everything you said....but Cantinflas saying "i have enough girlfriends or screwing chicks gets old" is just bragadocious nonsense.

Blazer,

You wrote "[m]ost of you are fat, middle-aged men or asian..neither of which are appealing to most American women. Reality bites."

I'm neither fat nor middle-aged (not yet) ... but an asian. If you are saying: (i) American women (I'll assume you have in mind "white women") don't find Asian men attractive; and (ii) Asian men desire American women, let me simply note that I have a name for people like you ... but I won't say it here.

pokeman

Why is it that every time a thread gets started that has any substance to it, a few guys with nothing to contribute have to act like pompous assholes or start throwing around insults at girls and/or other guys? (I am not referring to Tomas, whose post was very mild compared to what I just wrote and then deleted.)

I will make one comment to Pollo, who posted in a generally constructive manner. You said "Certainly more than any non-drugdealing local Mexican man." I hope that you meant "most" instead of "any". There are plenty of professionally employed Mexican men who make as much or more than any girl in the zona.

Well, Hippee, if you were an Asian American and read crap like that, I doubt you would've remained silent. Sorry for being an pompous asshole if you think I am one.

pokeman

As a lurker most of the time - DITTO
Lighten up guys. Let's get laid again!!

Pokeman,

Don't worry...Hippie is one of the "good guys" I'm sure he wasn't referring to your post.

I love it! This is what being a monger is all about. All of us whether we like it or not have a special hobby, if not you would not be posting or lurking in this board. I tip my hats to the fellows that have chicas asking them out.
I know several guys that are not bad looking or are not fat or are not Asian that get a lot of chicas for FREE. And I also know a few chunkers, or not to good looking or Asian, that get chicas for Free.
If you have $40 + $10 you are getting laid in AB, But if you walk in there with only enough for a drink you might also get laid, I know, it has happened to me. I am no Tom Cruise but neither a Tom Arnold but I get laid many times for free. This is not to brag, but only to get a point across.
For me walking into AB is a rush, but finding a chicas I mean goodlooking chica for an allnighter and with a limited amount of money is a thrill. Once I get over the allnighter, I go for the kill.
Some of this girls enjoy spending time away from the zona, it is so nice to spend time with one of this girls away from bar scene, you will be amazed at the things you learn from them.
I am currently seeing a special girl, I really enjoy spending time with her and she loves hanging around with me, we talk over the phone all the time and she keeps me posted of whats going on, her friends get along with my friends and when we hit the zona we have great times away from the bar.
Most of the girls in the zona don't like to wonder out of the club with the clientes for fear of their safety, so if they ask you out, they must trust you.
If you have comments about my posting, don't worry my feelings will not be hurt. We are just posting opinions and yours are welcome even if they are negative. Just keep on Mongering!!

So, who besides Cantinflas gets asked out of AB by the chicas?

One AB girl asked me to hook up with her at a later time for an extended session at a different location - she and I clicked [speaking English helped a whole lot] We had a wonderful session of fucky/sucky/shower/message/What does life mean psycho bable...

I have never seen her again and miss her a lot!

So my contribution is go for it! I will always regret not hooking up with this girl - maybe she will come back to TJ again - or I will find a new one.

I have on several occasions over the last 5 years been asked out by a AB chica. I also happen to be middle-age, bald, over weight, and extremely poor.
Just kidding!!!! For most of these girls they are after one thing and that is $$$$$$$. I have gone out with a number of the girls over the years. I have even gone to Puerta Vallarta with one.

Now if an attractive girl asked me out from Senor Frogs, well that would be a whole different story.

Pokeman, your post may have answered my question for me. Maybe most people who start crap are not trying to be jerks, they just misunderstand something or are misunderstood themselves, and things snowball. Redongdo was correct. I absolutely, positively was not referring to you. I also took the comment about Asians as racist and offensive, just as you obviously did.

From my experience, Asian guys seem to go out with some of the hottest chicas at CC. I mean go out on dates with them, not just hang-out at thier table. Frankly it makes me a little jealous. I've had one freebie, with a nice girls that was always nice to me, and I had never taken her upstairs. My point is, anything can happen. But to complain that you are sick and tired of the girls asking you out, seems a little funny to me.

Brother E-Z-G has the right test--ya'll players who are gettin' asked out by AB hottie central chicas (and I ain't necessarily doubtin' ya word, brothers--everything, and I mean everything is possible down there), hop on over to Frog's, or to Monte Picacho, or go to any regular TJ club and see if the same thing happens, or if the hotties don't wanna know ya. If ya get play there too, then ya got somethin'--if ya don't, then, my brothers, by all means continue to party on with the AB girls askin' ya out afterhours, get ya groove on, etc. but recognize that it just MIGHT be about PAPER, even if they ain't askin' for it right then--they could be investin' some time for a potential payoff later...smart little businesschicas. That don't make your good time a bad time, but it lets ya keep some healthy check on that reality.

These comments don't apply, of course, for my brother Cantinflas--bro, I SEEN some of your flicks, and KNOW what a smoove operator you are, so I don't doubt ya got 'em fallin' at ya feet for a second!!
The secret is DA MUSTACHE!! It's DA MUSTACHE!!

Hippee,

My follow-up post to yours was probably unnecessary and I apologize. I was still hopping mad after reading Blazers' crap, and when I saw your post immediately following mine, I overreacted. You're actually one of the handful regular contributors here whose opinions I respect (honestly).
I'm a non-confrontational guy and normally I would let crap like that slide, but I was having a bad day.
Let's just all move on to the good stuff.

pokeman

Pokeman, no apology needed. It was obvious you just misunderstood me. Besides, I did not find your response to me particularly rude anyway.

What the hell? Redongdo says, "Hippie is one of the good guys." Versus what? Geez

Wow, I have been going to the zona for four years
and I have only been asked out one time by a chica.Mahogany once asked me to take her to Ensenada.She told me it was a real date and I just had to pay for her extras and stuff.The date was free,her extras for the 4 days just happenned
to cost me about 1000 dollars.

Blazers
"Most of you are fat, middle-aged men or asian"
Well I am asian and french kissed all your chicas, and may have gone down on a few of them. Most also orgasm with me. I say you're a DUMBFUCK and should stick to caucasian U.S. escorts as I doubt regular women would find anything attractive about you.

Cantinflas
Do not abuse outdates with chicas as some may get attached to you and then it can get tougher to butterfly. My new rule is to go on outdates only with at least 8.0 in looks as I may be asian but I am also shallow :-).

Dosequis,

Hippie is one of the "good guys" vs what? Well geez vs posters like Blazers who are "Feliz" by spouting nonsense....you following any of this thread?

ATHOS
What happenned on your last date from CC.Did she actually show up and how did it go.

To Blazers: First of all, I'm sorry if I offended you. I was speaking from the heart. I'm not 20 years old anymore and sex isn't as important to me. Yeah, screwing chicks does get old. I can take it or leave it. Sometimes, I would rather have a night like Pollo had. Sometimes I just want to get drunk and screw some Mexican whore for the hell of it. That's what I like about going to TJ. I can do whatever suits me. I just needed to know if this "Let's go out drinking and dancing" was a viable and legit option (see below for more...)

To Ritmo: Ha! You cracked me up! You obviously know who Cantinflas is! (and yes, I do have a moustache. I can say that at least.)

As for everyone else: I initially posted this thread because I was wondering if this was a new scam or not. The last thing I want to do is go to TJ and get my ass robbed or held for ransom by some crooked Federales. Apparently, this is not the case because I had the same "Let's go to Senor Frogs" experience that Pollo had. Pollo is speaking the truth and he gave me the corroboration that I needed. I never even knew Senor Frogs existed until Paula from Veracuz asked to go there. I'm certainly not interested in a Mexican whore novia, but I wouldn't mind the company of a woman who merely wants to have a good time in Tijuana and can make me laugh (Thank god for being bilingual!) Unfortunately for me, Paula is currently pissed off at me. She saw me at AB the next day after I dumped her. She gave me a dirty look and punched me in the gut. I didn't mind because I figured that I'd rather be safe than sorry and knew that this board existed to do some research (Note to TJ Hombre: Thanks for keeping this board alive! My donation is on its way!) I just needed to know if anyone has had a bad experience in TJ with something like this. I haven't heard anything negative yet. I'm going to go back with a different, yet cautious attitude.

You dudes are just lucky that I don't live in some place close like San Diego, then I would be on every chicas list as the one guy to see out of the club!
Yeah that's right, me!
Hmmmm, did I just dream that?
Are we still in Kansas?
HA!
I am just dreaming. One should always have healthy dreams and fantasies.

Oh, and another thing:
F U C K you to all the bigots here.

We are all brothers;
white, yellow, brown, black, red and all other colors, mixed and pure.

Rock

Anyone has the right to state their opinion. Redongdo, was that "Feliz" comment a flame or sarcasm? Let me guess, you and that Hippie guy are friends? So, some people here are good guys and some are bad guys?

Some people here seem to be much more interested in commenting on one another than on commenting about the chicas.

Look, the chicas *will* ask some guys out, other guys will just fantasize that this is happening, others just like to flame.

Cantinflas, the order of the day is to pursue the chica's offer and report to us.

The rest of you, take a chill pill.

Gentlemen, you are all missing the point on what these chicas want out of US! They are not looking for diamond jims, c.e.o.'s, bill gate incomes, lawyers, doctors, politicians, they know very well just what type of client walks thru their doors. The only reason why a chica would ask out a client is for the logical reason because she feels comfortable with the guy and that perhaps he has gained her trust. And trust me, the chicas rarely trust a guy, it takes them a while to feel comfortable with.

I have had girls from bars ask me out and I have accepted just about all the time a proposition was given, providing that I too, had equal if not, more interest in her. The chicas are really tired of their home town guys who do nothing but drink beer all day, do as little as possible and only live for the moment and not for the future.

They see us as dynamic individuals who seem to be have our act together. We treat them with respect, we buy them drinks, perhaps dinner or lunch, treat them to a movie, perhaps a nite of dancing and romancing, we go site seeing, perhaps swimming with them, things that their 'hombres' don't normally do because they are more prone to hanging with their friends or having their novias support them.

We are their tickets to their fantasy. In return they offer the one thing that they can give us which is the most any girl could ever do and thats companionship along with perhaps sexual encounters yet YMMV depending on the circumstances. I have heard that the girls at AB and CC bars don't really go for the best looking guy for a companion, its more that they like the guy for who he is inside as well as out. They will more than likely pick a guy who they like to go out with as opposed to a guy who they think is handsome.

So if a girl asks you out, take it as a compliment because this means usually that she has interest in you as a person and not just as a client. I would highly recommend to take her on her offer because believe me, taking the relationship to the next level is going to be an eye opening experience as opposed to just having sex in the hotel room.

Raiders.

Raiders,

Very well written description of the path to the next level. First comes "confianza" (trust). The only thing I would add is that they do the choosing based on their values not ours. Males are primarily attracked to health and good looks. Females are more focused than males on other things. Why was a superstar like Jessica Rabbit attracted to a funny looking guy like Roger Rabbit? As she said in the film, "he makes me laugh".

The purpose of males is to keep the females amused.

Regards,
RickFeliz

I concur with Raiders/Rickfeliz wholeheartedly.

I have gone out on dates with a few CC girls over the last couple of years and let's just say that they have all been memorable. It has never been my mission to get to know the girls at CC so that they would "go out" with me (if that were the case, I would tell myself to get a life). But when the girls get to know you a bit, think you're a nice guy, and begin to trust you, some of them (but not all) will invariably give you their phone numbers and/or ask you to spend time with them outside the club. At least that's been the experience with me (and I'm just an average-looking guy ... I'm sure there are guys -- good-looking and/or suave -- batting a much higher percentage than I). Well, gentlemen, when such an opportunity presents itself, by all means take advantage of it, because as I noted above, I've enjoyed these dates tremendously and must echo Raiders' description of such experience as "taking the relationship to the next level."

On a different note, these dates do cost some $$$ (just as dates in the States with "regular" girls would). But then I would classify these experiences as "priceless" (as the MasterCard commercial goes). On a shallower note, as Athos pointed out above, some girls will act as if they own you after they've gone out on a few dates with you and you may have trouble "butterflying" (if that's your game). You just have to be careful ... I learned my lesson the hard way.

So.....Does this mean I am the only ugly bastard on this board?

Howcome you guys sound so angry? Or is it just a frustration?

Oh yeah, I got a great blow job last night from my wife. She did it BBBJ. She swallowed my wad. We did bareback all the way. And I didn't have to pay her. She is paying for the dinner date tonight for doing it well last night. I am a stud????

Bone ... it probably just means you don't go there OFTEN enough. Try going there 2-4 times a week for about a month (well, this means folks living in San Diego (maybe So Cal) have a "competitive" advantage!). Get to know the waiters and sit with and talk to the same girls on a regular basis. It will happen more than you'd think (not always, as I pointed out). I'm SURE you're not an ulgy guy. I really think being a nice guy and having money (or make the girls think you're a nice guy and have money!) is more important. Buena suerte.

In reality....I posted my original message with some truths and some falsities just to get a heated discussion going,...because, quite frankly, the discussions lately have been quite boring and I like to see the reactions of fellow mongers.
And as to your comments that I am a racist...you're wrong. If any of you have been to CC you've seen how blatantly racist and exclusionary some of the Asian men can be towards other mongers when they are at their tables. Almost as if it's their club and your just a guest. If any of you fellow mongers are Asian and offended...remember that I am saying what everyone else is thinking but is too afraid to say or admit it. I hang out with all kinds of people...I choose not to go into a club exclusively with people of my own race to feel secure like many of you CC regulars do. Be that as it may...continue to have fun and say no to political correctness

I for one go to CC with Asian, Hispanic as well as white friends. Over the years, I've run into some Asian mongers who are rude and act like assholes at CC (and at the old Hong Kong as well). But racists? Maybe some are but I suspect a very small minority. It is true that there are lots of Asian mongers at CC but you make it sound like many of us are racists. I really can't understand where you're coming from. Oh well.

Blazers,

you said:
"remember that I am saying what everyone else is thinking "

Kindly speak for yourself please. I was in CC last night and yes, there were many Asians as there were many Mexicans, women, men, short, tall, thin, fat, attractive, unattractive, etc. So what??? As far as races sticking together, it only makes sense that people of a common culture and experience congregate.

Blazers...

"In reality....I posted my original message with some truths and some falsities just to get a heated discussion going"

Well that's stating the obvious! It's called being a "shit disturber", a very sublime form of asshole....congratulations.

"And as to your comments that I am a racist...you're wrong."

Whether or not you're a racist is a guess from this cyber distance...but your listing of traits women don't find attractive in men as "fat, middle-aged men or asian" sure sounds like "quack quack quack" personally I think you ARE a duck.


"If any of you have been to CC you've seen how blatantly racist and exclusionary some of the Asian men can be"

Well on this one...guess what? I agree! Look, Asians, Mexicans, Blacks, Whites, Martians and whatever all have the capacity to be assholes as well as saints. Yes some of the Asian guys are jerks and racists..does that make it ok for you to be?

"If any of you fellow mongers are Asian and offended...remember that I am saying what everyone else is thinking but is too afraid to say or admit it."

Well I don't agree with the word "everyone" but sure many people think like you do...and they're assholes too.

"I hang out with all kinds of people...I choose not to go into a club exclusively with people of my own race to feel secure like many of you CC regulars do. Be that as it may...continue to have fun and say no to political correctness"

Backtracking like a little girl...Michael Jackson's Moonwalk is nothing compared to that last bit. Are you the Real Slim Shady?

"I am saying what everyone else is thinking but is too afraid to say or admit it"

Congratulations Blazers! All you have to do now is rip-off newbies with a bullshit tour and set-up your own exclusionary website!!! Your well on your way to being a whole new-type of asshole........your parents must be so proud!

Blazers
You're a fucking racist, go back to your cave.

I just had to scroll to the top of the page to remember what this discussion was all about. C'mon guys, we're all friends here. We all have a common interest(addiction). I don't think we need to call each other racists or assholes or whatever else. The reason we are here is to talk about our great experiences at Adelita's or Chicago Club, and to enjoy vicariously when we are unable to make it down in person. I don't really believe that this board is filled up with a bunch of racists, afterall we are all going to a foreign country to spend time with women from a different ethnic background. I guess I can only speak for myself, but I live, eat and dream about mi amigas from Mexico. Don't look for racist words coming from our brothers here, if it seems like that's what they are consider the possibility that it is just a misunderstanding. I have misunderstandings with my favoritas everytime I go to AB...and I'm trying my best to say things they'll like. In the words of the great Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

Adelito: That was well said. Hopefully we can get this post back on track.

Cantinflas:

I disagree...Adelito says

"Don't look for racist words coming from our brothers here, if it seems like that's what they are consider the possibility that it is just a misunderstanding."

We weren't looking for for anything, it was thrown in our faces. I'd rather deal with the reality than consider the possibility. A similiar statement aimed at any other minority would not have been tolerated. Asians have long been perceived as the "model" minority, quiet, unassuming, subservient people who enjoy doing homework. Blacks, Hispanics and many others have been quicker to respond with violence to slander and slurs and for some gawdawful reason that earns respect in this culture. Rather than point the finger of blame at the people who responded to the provacation, why not of the initiator. Is it that hard to see?

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Whats with these basketball team monikered mongers?
Taxibob

And people without lips shouldn't play harmonicas.

I don't see the point.

Redongdo, Hey, I'm with you. I don't advocate racism. I think it's ugly and I've seen enough of it in my lifetime. But maybe we can start a "Racist Mongers" thread and let everyone have at it.

Redongdo,
I was pretty shocked that you said you disagreed with Cantinflas and quoted me as saying something racist. I am very sorry that something has made you feel that way. I would never, EVER say something racist and it hurts me that you would somehow manage to associate me with that type of 18th century thinking. I have read many intelligent and thoughtful messages from you and I can only hope you have somehow misunderstood me. I was looking forward to someday meeting you and many others that post here. Maybe going down there anonymously is the best answer. Please tell me this is just a misunderstanding!

Adelito, I don't think they were talking about you. I think Redongdo's point was that if racism presents itself on this board, then it's time to take on the person who posted the remark. I think it's that Blazers dude who's in the crosshairs here.

"Whats with these basketball team monikered mongers?"
Taxibob

Hey, the Celts are 10-5 since Pitino left and in position to make the playoffs!

Adelito said, "Redongdo...I have read many thoughtful and intelligent messages from you..." HA! :--)

Adelito,

Relax, I wasn't accusing you of anything, just pointing out as Cantiflas has that you were objecting to the wrong parties and should have gone back another step to the source. If someone throws shit in someone elses face...and that someone else says "quit throwing shit at me you shit thrower"...well we should be down on the shit thrower and not the guy with shit on his face. Got it? I hope so cuz I think I lost myself in all that shit, shouldn't get so shitfaced in TJ.

As for meeting...you know that's a very good topic...consider your decision once you make it cuz obviously you can't go back. I lurked for I think 6 months or so till I met any of these guys...the first one was a guy that no longer posts and hadn't met anyone else either. The second was West Fargo and his buddy Roger. Then a month or so later I met the "core" group..overall a good bunch of guys and trips to TJ became a lot more fun. It's nice to wander around like most of you lurkers probably do now, and be able to spot some folks to sit and drink with. It also enhances the safety margin as you know who the "good guys" (HAH!) are...plus I believe the potential rateros see that you know a buncha people (locals included) and are probably less likely to go for you, preferring the lone prey...just a guess of course.

I suggest anyone seeking a first time "meeting" do it with West Fargo and Roger...they'll show you a whole new way of looking at TJ. From there all these other maniacs will look real normal.

BTW speaking of Master Fargo, last I heard he was still having trouble logging on...TJHombre I can e-mail Fargo...anything you want me to tell him that might help?

Celtics,

You're absolutely right..accusing me of making thoughtful and intelligent posts would ruin my online reputation around here...and all of Rick Feliz's hard work would go to waste!

Redongdo...LOL!

Well, it´s been awhile since I posted to this thread but I´ve been in TJ for the last 3 days with 3 more to go.

Blazers: I don´t believe that you posted your original message to provoke anything...I think you´re just a pompous asshole and you spoke the truth "according to Blazers". Live life like you want but don´t think you´re at the top of any totem pole. You are like others (even more so!) in that you think you´re a top dog in the zona when you´re just another monger(el).

Aardvark,

You are a kind and gentle soul...let's go somewhere and buy me a beer! LOL! Really though as to your comment that Blazer's original comment wasn't an intentional provocation....well mi amigo here's a direct quote from one of his follow-up posts....

"In reality....I posted my original message with some truths and some falsities just to get a heated discussion going,...because, quite frankly, the discussions lately have been quite boring and I like to see the reactions of fellow mongers."

Wazzat sound like to you?

The bottom line is that if you're payin money for it, you're like the rest of us, end of story no matter who you're with, what you pay, or where you do it. It's just a business relationship. This is true regardless of race. It's when you get caught up in it that you're in deep S___T! Damn, I'm still diggin my way out! ;^)

Or as West Fargo once said "My money is just as orange as the next guys"

Red...you know that the "first beer" (and the second, third, fourth, etc) is always on me!

I know what BLAZERS "wrote", I´m saying that he´s trying to backpedal and justify his stupid racist remark by excusing it as a "topic starter"...when in reality...he probably meant every word.

Well, let's see if I can bring this thread back on track. My inital question has been answered (that yes, going out with these AB chicas appears to be a safe thing to do...) but another one has presented itself. Why do some "clients" get asked out by these girls? After all, they're TJ ho's. The majority of them look at us as penises with money. Most of them are hung up on looks like any other woman in the world. But this last AB chica that I met, Paula from Veracruz, was different (and I realize that Paula is NOT her real name. They won't tell you their real name until you get to know them and they take a liking to you) I'll share my recent experience and you can make of it what you will...

Paula is a high-volume chick who works at AB in the daytime. She's very pretty and she spends all day going up to the room with guys. Petite, light complexion, early 20's, with dark shoulder length hair and a killer smile with dimples. Always wears a black top with a short mini-skirt. Nice natural build. She stands out in the crowd.

I first noticed her when I walked into AB four months ago and started drinking. She immediately walked by me, flashed that killer smile, pointed her finger at me and said, "You'd better not get drunk on me!" (In Spanish, of course.) I smiled back and went back to drinking some more. She went back to her business and boned 3-4 more guys within a 90 minute period (not bad for a daytime chick.) I watched them all file past me with happy looks on their faces. I started walking around and found my favorite spot by the DJ booth. I stood there and soaked in the music and atmosphere that I had traveled so many miles for. A short while later, I felt myself being pelted by limes. It was Paula and she was motioning me to come over and talk to her friends. I'm a rather shy guy and I declined. I smiled back instead. Some of her fine-ass friends came over, grabbed my chest and invited me to go up to the room. I declined and left. On the way out, I saw Paula leaving with yet another guy. She smiled at me as I got in my cab and left to take a nap. I smiled back and waved goodbye. I didn't see her again on that trip.

A few months later, I returned to AB and Paula saw me again. I went into the bathroom to take a piss. She followed me in there with a girlfriend. They were both staring at me and smiling at me. I blushed and left the bathroom. I went back to the bar, drank a few beers and left shortly thereafter. That was the last time I saw Paula on that trip.

This time around, I went back to AB with Paula on my mind. She seemed like a fun chick to hang out with. Sure enough, as soon as I entered AB, she spotted me and started pelting me with limes again. She winked at me and motioned me to come over. This time I accepted. She immediately said, "I know all about you. You don't like to fuck. You just like to come here to drink and dance." She also told me a few private things that I had told some other AB chicas. Paula had been doing her homework! After assuring her that I DO LIKE TO FUCK, Paula asked me out and asked me to meet her when her shift ended at 8pm. She wanted to go out drinking and dancing, but on the condition that I do NOT drink. I accepted. I came back to AB and danced some merengue with her. She was drinking a rather expensive $10 mixed whiskey drink and I didn't mind (she only drinks that orange juice crap when she's working.)I got to know her and discovered that she had just bought her brother a computer (Uh-oh. Does that mean that she has access to this board?!) I would request songs (like Bomba by Azul Azul) and she would take my tip and give it to the DJ. I asked her why she was attracted to me (and I ask this question to all the women that I know because I still haven't figured it out yet. I have several daughters and want to get a heads up on what's attracting them to the guys they're seeing now!)

She told me that she first noticed me when I was tipping a stripper on a prior trip and was swaying my shoulders and body to the music. She told me that drove her nuts and she didn't know what to make of me. She didn't know if I was crazy or what but it made me stand out from the crowd. I looked like some fun guy that she wanted to spend time with. She asked me when I would be coming back to TJ and I told her that I would return in a few weeks. She told me that she was leaving soon to visit Jalisco, but would return in a few weeks to hook up again.

Ok, so we were having a blast until we decided to leave AB and the whole experience went into the crapper (you can read the rest of this thread for more.) I was having my doubts about this whole date thing and got nervous. She asked me if I wanted to go back to AB and party some more. I declined. I decided that I'd rather research this topic on this board before I spent any more time with her or anyone else. So I dumped her and got punched in the gut the next day. Maybe I can make amends when I go back in two weeks because she made me laugh the whole time. I really liked that.

So that's it in a nutshell. Some of the things that have been said here in the previous posts ring true to me. You obviously have to go back to AB more than once. You need to dance and shake yo' thing out on the stage. You need to dress nice. You need to smile and look like you're having a good time. And you can't come of like an outright horndog. Are looks important? Yeah, but chicks look for other things too.

Any thoughts?

First off Aardvark...if you read closely my first post in this section, it's blatantly obvious that I was trying to stir the pot...it worked. Anyone offended..too bad, I dont believe in political correctness...it creates dishonesty.

Second...Cantinflas...Now that I see where your coming from , I can see that your comments and questions were genuine. In response, I don't think any of us get asked out by these chicas more than others. Certain chemistry brings about different results. If I have any advice for you, it is that you should be careful when mentioning specifics about chicas. A few of the fellow mongers are insecure cowards whom feel that they can get more attention from chicas if they disclose information posted on this board. Trust me, it has happened to me and now I am basically banned from Adelita's...good luck

Blazers,

How does one get 'banned' from AB?

I seem to recall some advice from MuleLip a long time ago. Hope I don't butcher it too bad, but it was something like this: if you want to date a working chica, don't have commercial sex with her first. In the bar, drink with her, talk with her, dance with her, etc., but don't have paid sex with her. Go out on dates, and let the sex happen naturally. It may take one, or two, or even three dates, but it WILL happen.

I don't really know, but perhaps one basis for this advice would be that when you have commercial sex with the chica, she classifies you in her mind as a customer. Later, if you decide that want to have a "relationship" of some kind with her outside the bar, it's that much harder for her to separate you from all the other guys who pay her for sex.

If you don't have sex with her as a customer, but cultivate her friendship and companionship (as you seem to have done with Paula, either intentionally or unwittingly), and then go on dates, you make it that much easier for her to view you as something other than just another customer. Whether you realized it or not, you were probably off to a good start with her. Of course, if you don't hit it off, there's no point in pursuing a "regular relationship". As RickFeliz often suggests, it's best to cut your losses short at that point.

Just an observation by a bystander.

Hey Bystander,

In other words first impressions play a big part in the future "role" you/I/we play in the lives of our amigas.

Cantinflas - Your putting way too much thought into your escapades with Paula. Just keep in mind
what Nike's slogan is: JUST DO IT!!! It applies to sports and also to a much more important sport, mongering! If we had to justify our actions, motives, view points, decisions, we would always end up at square one and never be able to evolve.

In your case, it sounded like the Paula was actually interested in you just like a guy is interested in a female, either she liked what she saw, or what you did, how you approached women, the colonge you wore, the hair style, the amount of money leaving your wallet, smile, teeth, shoes,
what ever! She was attracted. What you need to do is go for it, you know, she is giving you a green light, you are the driver, hence, put your car in first gear and burn your tires ;-). You never know what may lead down that road but remember what Nissan says, ENJOY THE RIDE!!!

I myself have always taken advantage of what propositions have come my way and try not to endulge myself into thinking 'why' the chica this or the chica that, I just went with the flow and believe me, the stories I can tell you of what transpired would fall under the 'believe it or not' ;-). Oppurtunity only knocks a few times, if you don't move on it, it may never pass you by again.

If you actually like Paula and see her again, by all means, make amends, then kindly ask her out to perhaps go dancing at Las Pulgas, or watch some live entertainment at the Manhatten bar or West Fargo bar. Don't take her up to the room, you will then be in the catagory of 'client', if the date moves into a physically one, get a hotel room away from the AB bar for the entire nite and start knocking boots! She will then see you as a novio instead of a client yet be warned, once a chica likes a guy, she can be very CELOSA! Been there done that, good luck!

Raiders.

Hey, this is cool. We're back on track and I'm getting some great advice. Thanks!

Red, I think you're right about first impressions. It may not be entirely fair, but it's just human nature. We do it all the time with the ladies. Guess it's only fair that they return the favor.

You mean we're all a buncha screwed up humans that can't get past our own noses sometimes? Wadda concept eh?

First impressions true enough, there's one girl I was with over a year ago...looked great and everything till I got her in the room and she didn't bother shaving her legs (she was new to TJ and wherever it was she was from, being a fuzzy woman was no big deal). It was just kinda weird for me and I've never been able to shake the image. Now she's groomed to kill but I still see her that way and could never do her again.

It is not impossible to change a client/provider relationship into a dating one, but it is hard to do so. I have dated (no money) a few prostitutes on both sides of the border, as have some of my friends. Three of them started with me as a paying customer, although in one of those cases the girl gave me the money back before our first encounter was over, because we had already decided we wanted to go out for real. In no case did I have more than one paid encounter with them, but I know others who have had several before the first real date. Without a doubt, however, it is easier and more likely if you never pay in the first place.

Also, Mexican hookers seem more willing than U.S. ones to go out with clents just for fun, while still considering them a customer. I don't think they consider these to be "dates", just a chance to go somewhere fun and have the guy pay for it. I don't mean this as a negative thing, as they won't go with the guy unless they genuinely enjoy his company.

Hippie, that's cool with me. I don't consider them real "dates" either, because there isn't an emotional attachment for me either and I'm not looking for one. But it's nice to have someone to hangout with and tear up the TJ nightlife. That works for me!

Redongdo said, "...there's one girl I was with over a year ago...looked great
and everything till I got her in the room and she didn't bother shaving her legs (she was
new to TJ and wherever it was she was from, being a fuzzy woman was no big deal)...I still see her that way and could never do her again."

No more warm fuzzies for you, Red? :--)

You should have seen a couple of the otherwise pretty European ladies I dated when their clothes came off...all of a sudden I came down with a splitting headache!

oh man the girl all ask me out all the time at the bars, hell they wanted to pay me and pay for my drinks and were willing to give me all the money they made, they told me they love me long time and that i was their dream male and that they all longed for my groin and that i was the man and that they would do anything i asked them to, hell they couldn;t keep the hands offf me and man they offer me cars and houses in mexico city and all the sex i can have with them, but refused all their offer cause i just woke up from that wet dream lol, you guys are funny if ya really think they love ya long time for freee lollll

Brother Felix, you are fuckin' hysterical!

thank you my brother ritmo, but i have no time to write as so many women are desiring me and with all the money and cars they have offered me, i have no time, i must pleasure all these women who love me long time and are willing to offfer me everything for my monger body

This is going to betray my interest in SF&F but:

"Some men need a brick. Some men need a *big* brick."
- Lois McMaster Bujold, _Memory_

B-)=

Hey Billybobwasp
Run in the trailer and grab a twelve pack for the drive.If Jerry Springer is on don't let it distract you again so that you forget to come back.If we are gonna gig us some frogs and spotlight us a couple of possums and still get back before Earlene closes the beauty shop and gets too loaded on early times to cook em up for us we need to get a move on!

Felix just a question..Do you swallow?

Please feel free to delete my idiotic post above.It was just my attempt at a humorous response to an even more idiotic post by someone that you deleted between the time i started writing and when i posted.
Taxibob

Taxibob- I was staying at one of the Rio District hotels, while doing some work in Tijuana, many years ago. It was about one in the morning when someone knocked on my door -waking me from a deep sleep. I answered the door to find a very lovely young woman with the question,"ha-bla-bla-bla mo aqui?" Now, I know the mens names end with an o, in Mexico. So, I assumed that she was asking if so 'n so mo was in my suite. I said, "No aqui." My Spanish was not very good -much worse than it is now. It's pretty bad. I'm suprised I can be understood and ...

Ah ...oh. She looks at me, with this really suprised look on her face and pads off across the hall to the next room. I shut my door and went back to bed. As I closed my eyes, I could hear the knock, the unlatching of a door, her voice and a door close. I guess she had found her man. She was very pretty. I thought that Duermo guy sure is lucky.

In trying to keep myself anonymous, I have bitten the bullet, on many posts written on different posts and sites. It seems that there is no one setting the picture straight for the Mexican male. This especially goes for you Mexican mongers that are probably just lurkers. I am Mexican, but often get confused for a gringo or part gringo, so I have privy on both fronts. After having exposed this, I for one will show my displeasure with some of these racist or false statements or innuendos. So please lighten up on this, 10/4. Amous

Amous:

If you are a Mejicano, what the heck are you doing here? I would imagine that you're not going to learn about the ZN from us.

Half of us are on the lookout for chicas that speak English!

Explorer8939
I am originally from Argentina and I for one learned alot about the Zona from this board.Experience is the greatest teacher and the girls even if they only speak spanish usually give the same(at least the first session)to all upstairs.Mongers don't flame me,I said USUALLY.
These chicas are human and moody but to the pros at adelitas and CC doing many mongers a night they have a usual session routine and this board for the most part gives good and honest imformation and reviews even though YMMV.

Explorer 8939: I was born and raised in the US, and am pretty new to the Zona. I am learning much about the Zona on these boards. If you learned Spanish, would you stop posting? Was it too much for you, in my asking to lighten up? Amous

Amous:

I thought you were a TJ local. Sorry for the confusion.

One day, I will learn Spanish, and I will continue to post here.

Explorer 8939: Well taken. Now I gotta go out da door for an overnighter. Amous

Specific,
How do the mexican chicas react to your Argentinean accent?

Here's my advice on meeting a great Mexican woman. It's not easy, but it's worth it. First, get away from the idea that you'll find her working in a bar, selling her body night after night. It's difficult-- if not impossible-- for her to see you as anything but a social safety net at best and a just a gullible foreiner at worst. Remember, before the night you appeared in her life it was just a long, bland succession of horny dopes who didn't care about her any more than she did them. If you want someone who will appreciate you for who and what you really are, then someone who has been successful at feigning emotion night after night will eventually let you down. I'm not criticizing the women themselves, they have their reasons, and they're the first to admit these truths.

Some men will hold to the axiom that no respectable Mexican woman would ever go for a foriegn man. I would amend that to, no respectable woman would go for a sweaty, underdressed boor who spends a disproportionate amount of time on a barstool or whore-chasing. If you live in Mexico, or are a frequent visitor, the first rule is learn to speak polite Espanol reasonably well, from a real teacher. This is invaluable. Second, dress in the same proper, suave manner that Mexican men of your own age dress. Long pants in the heat take some getting used to, but you'll survive. Next, especially if you live in Mexico or spend a lot of time here, once you can speak some Espanol find a way to meet ordinary Mexican people, without focusing on the chicks first. Expanding your circle of friends will eventually pay off. For example, use some free time teaching English, which attracts a lot of middle-class working people. If you teach, you needn't be a professional but teach well and don't do it just for the money. The best set-up is a provincial town where women who work in banks, government offices etc are looking to learn. They'll be impressed by your neatness and Espanol language skills, and by your interest in helping them.

Although this isn't exactly how I met my finace, it's a useful adaptation for general circumstances. There's no success, however, without real respect and the desire for a relationship. Just as a word of inspiration, my honey's a hardworking university graduate, fluent in English (I'm not a teacher, by the way), drop-dead good looking with near C cups, a flat stomach and a great tight, round little ass. She was a virgin when we met, and is now an absolute tiger in bed. She gives head without prompting, and orgasms like a banshee. Is that worth long sleeves, I ask you?

Salsa Boy
I agree if you are under 40,if you are over 40 and looking for a younger chica to mess up your life the zona is your place.

I keep waiting for Esmarelda to ask me out to a movie.

"Ask me out"...good luck, Wasabi. If you mean the infamous, dancing Esmeralda then I think you'll have to ask her + pay her for the movies. That girl only thinks of dinero, dinero, dinero these days. I've even heard she's been asking 70 for the room.

For what it's worth, I was there last week and saw a lot of AB girls leaving the place to go out on after work "dates" with foreigners (they sure as hell don't come to work with them!) So this must be a very common occurrence for some.

I also ran into Paula again. She was drunk off her ass because she was drinking tequila shots all day. She kept grabbing my dick and kept asking me to hug her. She asked me if I wanted to go out with her and her roomates (two nice looking chicas who were working at the time.)

I've never seen her drunk before, so I kind of walked away from her and left her alone. She quickly hooked up with a client and went up to the room. I left and went to Las Chavelas. We glanced at each other as she made her way up the stairs with her client. Ahh well, maybe next time....

Salsa Boy, good post. However, I doubt a monger will move to a provincial town in order to teach English so they can meet Mexican women, no matter how fine. I would say there are more opportunities right in TJ. Meeting a more local woman and helping her with English or whatever floats her boat would make more sense.

It's no surprise to me that zona chicas go out with "foreigners" as Cantinflas posts. After all they are women who need to have fun also. AB, for example, must get old fast for a chica...meet monger, have drink with monger, negotiate blow job with said monger, fuck this monger...then do it over and over all night long! Oh boy, que romantico! So getting away with a guy they trust who's willing to foot the bill must sound like a good deal sometimes before they go home to their baby(s). I haven't gone out with many, but a couple were so boring I regretted asking or accepting. A couple others were very romantic and fun--just awesome!

Chicas will not only ask out guys, or at least drop hints as to what they want, some may even ask you to visit them for extended periods in their hometowns when they are on vacation. I have yet to take a chica up on one of these offers, and I've had more than one. It sounds like fun to me intitially, but the implications of such are visit are daunting IMO. What happens upon your return and you go into her place of work? Seems to me that doing this sort of thing implies taking things to the next level. The rewards are great at the time I'm sure, but is that what you really want? Food for thought...my two cents.

I will be traveling to the zona very soon and intended in not visiting AB or trying to stay away and visit other clubs. But as the count down nears, I made a deadly mistake by calling a chica, she ask me when I was coming down, I hesitated for a while but ended up telling her, she was very excited and started making plans, she said she would call her friends and set something up for my buddies. Now I regret it! The time has come to look for new material, especially after I found out that she hangs around with an old favorita.
The whole favorita thing is kind of cool, but as far as the drama goes, I could do without it.

Celtics..thanks. Specific good luck and enjoy :-)
SB

CityOG

My heart bleeds for you, Bro! You're going to be deep in some nastiness while we're here at work.

I say, visit your Greco chica at Miami then tell your fav about it. She'll either match the effort or slap your face and never talk to you again. Either way, mission accomplished!

Shadow & Senator,
Just to keep you guys updated SFOG missed his plane flight this morning. And guess what? The lucky S.O.B. Got One hundred dollars in credit for it! Man Talk about luck.....Anyway He called me up about 1030 this morning and told me he was on his way down to Tropical.. Im pretty sure he's having a blast by now.

Valentino

Valentino

"The lucky S.O.B." Yeah no shit! He must have been a monk in a previous life. EVERYTHING goes his way!

Have you been studying hard at the library?

Ohhh yes indeed Shadow!
As a matter of fact I got "An exam today at 2:00 pm" I should be able to pass with breeze. And the best thing of all I only spend $$$ for the "Library use"

Valentino