(from 9/14/00 archive originally posted 9/8/00 by Porker)

Wanting to meet up with Zona regulars:
There is a nightly (mas o menos) chat on IRC (internet relay chat), and it is a great way to get info about the Zone Norte de Tijuana and to introduce yourself to other Zona enthusiasts even if you have never been to TJ before. One success story is a guy from Canada who came down for a weeklong trip, had never been to TJ before, had never met any of the regular posters, but made some friends by being on IRC regularly for about a month prior to his trip and ended up hooking up with 1/2 of redsnake and actually staying at one monger's home for part of his visit! The cost to him: DIDDLYSQUAT.

My suggestion? Don't be shy, read all the posts, respond if you think you have something to say. Email somebody if you would rather follow up on something they said in a less private forum. Most people I have met through this board are very generous people and happy to help out with info. Most are quite social as well, and are very amenable to adding people to 'our little group'. Enthusiasm for the Zona is usually the only pre-requisite.

The irc channel is #aspt on undernet. If all this is new to you, I can't be of much help in walking you through it, but there is detailed logistical info in a link posted on redsnake.com posted by a good fellow named Curious that can walk you through the whole process.

If you make a little effort to fit in ahead of time to the internet whoremonger community, I think you may get better responses to your overtures to meeting up with people than the standard 'free beer' offer. That's only gonna attract the hardcore alcoholics -- LIKE ME!!! Also, if people know a little bit about you, you sound a lot less like a whacko pervert than if your first post is something like 'who takes it up the ass???'.

"I think you may get better responses to your overtures to meeting up with people"

Ha!! I remember stumbling into AB all glazed over. This guy gets right up in my face and says "Do you know Shadow?"

I smiled and said "Never heard of him. Who are you?"

He said "Porker"

As it turns out, he read a post by me about my fav and recognized me. They're old aquaintances.

He joined us for beers and now we try to hook up whenever we can. He's a great guy.

I've met some other great guys from this board and the old RedSnake board. Chargers, Aardvark and Hippie are all guys I conversed with here first before we met. They're buds.

And those Fokking Aneemals Valentino and CityOG!?! Those Putos are my idols!

I met Porker through Tomas almost 2 years ago when Tomas asked if he could bring "his friend" to a dinner meeting we had planned. I hadn't personally met Tomas yet either but had e-mailled each other and responded to each other's posts pretty regularly. I hadn't been to TJ in a number of months and was looking forward to hooking up with some other "Redsnakers". When he mentioned that his friend was Porker, I was intrigued because Porker's rep & contributions on Redsnake were legendary.

He was nothing like I envisioned or expected! That initial meeting (at Senor Frogs) has led to my meeting so many other Redsnakers & Hombres (no names because I am certain I would miss a few!) and some very fun times in TJ.

Also after that initial meeting, Tomas introduced me to IRC which a year or two ago was a blast with 15+ regulars chatting away on Sunday nights.

As a newbie where is the best place to find an all nighter and how much can a guy expect to pay?

Go to AB on a weeknight, and hook up with a low volume girl. Offer $100 and go from there.

Ray4230, I would not suggest getting a chica until you have had a *short time* session with her first. It's isn't good to spent extra money on someone that you're going to get sick of, or not like her in the sack.

Go to Sanborns restaurant and ask for the waitress who picks up gringos on Revolution.

You will really have a good time.

Fuckin rookie's

When you do an all nighter, don't pay all up front!
Keep half for a specific time in the morning 9am or whatever.
Otherwise she'll make an excuse to leave after she's done you once.

Which Sanborns? The one south of the fontan?

Yes south of Jai Lai.

Uh say, if you are going into Sanborns and make a request for the waitress that picks up guys on Revolucion, let me know as I would like to witness this event.

benwhohidesbehindthebookrack

The Sanborns in Plaza Rio is better.

All Sanborns is euro/mexican food
it sucks. Small portions , questionable Quality of food and the coffee is the worst I have ever had in my life
i havent met a person that enjoys there food Except kendricks.

Stay away
Milky

The food sucks. However, it is a nice, non threatening place to take a chick on a first date if it is a daytime date, especcially.

Try Howard Johnson's coffee. It tastes like dirty dish wash water.

Man that was an interesting reponse, thanks for the good advice. as for the fuckin rookies comment, I'll be sure to return the favor the next time your in Pattaya Thailand where I'm not rookie, (LAUGHTER)

Ray

Hey Ray,

Just ignore the dickheads in life. Some guys on this board seem to forget that they were newbies once upon a time. The funny thin is, some of us remember when most of these 'lost souls' WERE new to TJ, and how they were asking the same questions that the rookies of today ask.

Be that as it may. To address your question, I'd direct you to the following Club Hombre location:
Tijuana: Advice/Questions/Commentary: Seducing Las Chicas: A Toda La Noche (All-Nighter) FAQ

This FAQ was started by a post DrewWho presented to the threaded board. It contains ideas that should address most of your questions.

To directly address your question, I'd suggest that you'll pay anywhere from $50-$300 for an all nighter in TJ. It greatly depends on day of the week and time of night, and of course, which chica. I'd agree that you should go short time with a chica before asking about long time. In TJ, you'll almost never get a chica to go LT on her first time with you.

Pick a girl and have some fun.


Bueno Suerte,

StrikeEagle

Everybody makes mistakes.

You can monger as long as some of the seasoned vets on this board and still fuck up so a) be aware of this and b)don't be TOO hard on yourself when it happens.

As a newbie NEVER get into an arguement with the girl or the staff. (You will be back so don't fuck it up.) Only protest when you know what you're doing and you've been around.

Do your best to find the right chica. A little foreplay in the club, etc. Does she warm up? Good. Be NICE to all the girls. Life's too short to be a shit with them or anybody else and besides they talk to each other. No sense in risking having a chica bad rapping you to the other chicas. Might not matter much because money, not love, is the motivation for them but you have to admit that it could have an effect on their attitude and THAT could affect what happens upstairs.

These chicas (bless every one of them) are hardened businesspersons who know what they want (but do not always prevail).

The seasoned chicas can spot a newbie a mile away and they are experts at getting your mongerbucks. It's a way of life, morning noon and night, every day of the week with some exceptions.

You're there to get laid, she is not. She is there to get your money - straight up. How plesant an experience this is for you will depend on her mood, her attitude and your judgement. It might be the 15th session for her that day so it's nothing special unless your got a dick so big that you can put it on a table and beat it with a fucking book. I know some of these chicks like to fuck but let's not get carried away here and be realistic.

The fact is you are going to spend about $50.00 and get a 15 to 20 minute session with the girl of your choice. You know that when you walk into AB or CC so don't worry about THAT.

Worry about chosing wisely, do your research and TRY TRY TRY not to fall prey to the newbie mattress monsters who KNOW that you won't know how to handle them if they turn on you. They will take your money and not feel one bit bad about it. No kidding. It is a very humbling experience.

Negotiate the deal downstairs. DO NOT go with the girl if you are not certain that she understands the deal.

If she knows you are uncertain, she WILL change it and it'll cost you an extra $10 to see those titties. What? You want to have sex? That's another 20. What? yu want me to put that thing in my mouth? Another 20. Get it?

The next thing you know is that you're standing alone in the room with yur drawers down around your ankles feeling like a half fucked fox in a forrest fire and some mexican guy is at the door looking for HIS tip. (Yes, you have to tip the guy a buck.)

Now maybe I went a LITTLE overboard here, but I wanted to give you a picture to look at.

If she's cold downstairs, she'll be cold upstairs. The best lookers are not always the best in bed. It's a roll of the dice.

My technique is (being very white and speaking NO Spanish) is that when I get a spinglish speaker, I tell her she's beautiful and I'd like to buy her a drink if she would just stand here and hug me and talk to me for a while. If she is warm she'll show it then. If she is weak, I move on. The warm ones will do more than hug but it's the WAY they do it that tells you what they are about. Any whore can grab you by the balls.

I like it when they drive their tonge in my ear, rub my chest, jam their titties in my face and not hurry about it. For me, that's part of the experience at AB and if the chica doesnt do that (after I buy her a fucking drink) then I say adios and move on. Eventually (in about 10 minutes) I have Miss Mexico in my arms and I'm off to the room. I like it when they stroke the gear too, but it's got to be a package deal.

What do I talk about when I'm downstairs with the chica? Good question. What seems to work well for me (and the conversations last about as long as the beer) is that I talk to them about life stuff. About their family, where they are from, about the weather, about their hair, find some little detail to notice and then notice the hell out of it. They might not give a shit but it gets them talking and gives you a look at their manners.

Upstairs, get down to business right away. Most of these chicas are already thinking about the next trick while you are still fumbling with your underwear. Every minute counts. Make her work.

Sound like you're having a really good time. Moan and groan like a bitch. They love that because they think they are doing it to you. It gets them into it a bit more, especially if they think they are going to pop you quick. The sooner they pop you the longer they can take putting their makeup back on etc. and get back to the office. If your moaning is genuine then guess what - you're already having fun!!

Some chicas will use the extra time to give you a hug or two which is always nice. If they like you they'll do that for you.

There is no relationship afterwards unless you are going for another pop right away and there is money in it for them so don't go following them around, they have work to do and they are NOT going to sit and drink with you (well, maybe one) unless you flash the cash and they see more money in it for them. So let them do their job. Nothing personal.

When you re-charge and are ready for the 2pop then off you go and the cycle starts again.

One thing EVERY newbie MUST do is read the trip reports written by Farsider. Do a search for his posts. Some of the best reading you'll ever do. It should be required reading for this forum and if you think by reading this I am a big fan, well I am.

Practice safe sex. Don't die from AIDS. Don't bring any boogers home to the SO. Use your head and a party hat.

The guys you see on the street offering deals are NOT your friends. Don't trust them. Don't trust anybody. Don't get fucking drunk and walk around the place like you own it. Don't be a jerk. Tijuana jails are NO fun and it's no joke. Never take a weapon to Mexico (not even one single bullet) you WILL do time - lots of it. It will ruin your life, seriously.

Don't look like a newbie. When you part the curtains, and your eyes adjust to the darkness, walk around the place like you are looking FOR somebody, not AT everybody. When you lock eyes with a chica who is smiling, smile back give a wink and then look away. Find a comfortable spot to stand or sit (I never sit in a booth, usually at the bar). Give yourself some room to cut and run.

Have a good time. Some of these chicas are the most delightful creatures you'll ever screw. Enjoy the moment. Take full advantage. Come like a fucking porn star. When it's over, it's over. Re-charge and go again with the same or another chica.

Be Safe and Be Nice
Country John

Sage advice.

Country John,
Thanks for the advice, I've only been to TJ once and I had an experience monger help me, I'm glad he did. There are alot of people trying to scam us, I saw it first hand. I saw a scumbag ask a guy for money, I knew he was a scumbag. I recognized him from the internet, my friend warned me about him.
I think TJ can be a great time if you know where to go and where not to go.
Be safe
KJ