Sorry I can't remember the name of the club, but it had 2001 at the end. It's on Constitution, about mid-block around the corner from AB. I spent time there three different times on my last trip. Everytime the waiters, waitresses, were very friendly and polite. The DJ was actually kind of funny, and didn't refer to Americans as "hijos de su @#$% !@#&" even once. And especially the girls, were very friendly.

Every time I was there they had a long(Aprox. 1hr) floor show, followed by about a 15min break, followed by another floor show. Durring the floor show at night they had both stages going. For a dollar tip the girls let me grab some ass with one hand, while placing the bill on them with the other, all while running my toung up & down on thier nipple. If you pay in Pesos the chica drinks are $40(a little less then $4.50), in US dollers it was $5.

I almost never buy girls drinks, they are a wast of money at most clubs. But this was a little better value then most places, plus the girls were really into it. Then when I saw Lety(the one with the perfect tits) who use to work at Molino Rojo, I gave in. She goes by the name Sugey(sp?) now. Also there was a girl there from PV who was a absolute doll. She was about 5 feet, shoulder length curly hair, dark skin, thin, with a fantastic ass. I had one of the waitresses bring her over, with the offer of a drink. I then noticed she had one of the silver filling jobs on one of her front teeth, but hay you don't throw out a Mercedes Benz because it has a scratch on it. She was very affectionate at the table.

One downfall was the tableclothes. Although the overall decor of the place was nice, they had what I swear is the same tableclothes from the old Molino Rojo. Yes, the ones that looked like someone wiped thier ass all over them.

This place gets the Chargers seal of approval. The girls really made me feel like the bolt was back.

The complete name of the place is Odisea 2001.

Odyssea (sp?) 2001

You got VERY lucky. This place is known for extremely agressive "waiters" who love to rip off gringos. There is also usually nothing worth seeing, but every now and then that changes. The club has some affiliation with El Pollo Bar, but I am not sure of the details.

I went there several times a few months back. The downstairs mens room was being remodeled, so you had to parade to the one upstairs.
They had three stages going! Dancers came in the front door, were taken to the back to change, came out for their acts, were directed to rotate stages, and I guess they went on somewhere else later. A few independent chicas would come in and troll for fichas or more. All were friendly. Later the place was changed and there were only two stages, and the same chicas each week

Don't go in there - it's a total dive. I've never seen a hottie in there myself. Just pick Monica up at the entrance and have a great time.

-Superman-

Hippie
Is that info about the waiters from personal experience? Because it's so much different then what I experienced. They were great all 3 times I was there.

Yes. Personal experience and that of close friends. They sometimes rival the Hacienda Bar for dishonesty, but I have been there at least once where they were very pushy, but nobody tried to rip me off. The agressiveness is enough to keep me away most of the time, anyway, however.

One of THE most experienced Zona Norte mongers I know claims that he hangs out at Odisea all the time now because he likes a chica that works there and was surprised to hear about the poor reputation it has. The thing that he has in common w/ Chargers is being able to speak Spanish as well as paying in pesos. This isn't a foolproof way to get waiters to respect you and not try and rip you off, but in places like this (at least in the past) and Hacienda (where I have infrequently had some pretty good times) I think they see the average gringo as a target w/ a big bullseye on it. Since you're presumed to be a tourist that's never coming back, they figure it's OK to take you for what your worth, knowing full well you're that if you really ARE a tourist you're probably too much of a pussy to do anything about it.

The flood of waiters outside the bar is indeed annoying. The only way I deal with that is to walk inside the club, look around for a little while and tell them to 'please give me a minute' to look around. Most of the time they do, and if you decide to stay, it's generally not hard to get a drink from the bar and cut out the leeches.

As far as the looks of the Odisea chicas, I have never seen much that interested me, but then again, I mostly just pop my head in and then leave, and haven't even done THAT in months. Sounds like Chargers found a doable one, bad grill and all!

It appears that mostly gringos are the targets. If you are speaking good spanish and paying with pesos i'm sure you would be much better off. Otherwise I agree with Superman, the place and sucks!

The place isn't as bad as the multitude of barking waiters out front would make you think. I popped in Thursday night to take advantage of the 2 for 1 beers and do a little recon. Not many attractive chicas there, the 2 or 3 that were within the boundaries of being acceptable were taken and the ones offering themselves either through eye contact or through waiters weren't all that interesting. I didn't find anyone inside overly aggressive, certainly nothing like a Revo experience. I asked one of the waiters about the availability of the girls and he gave me the rundown, if you buy a bucket of beers for the girl for 30 bucks (five beers) you can take her upstairs to this backroom type area where they have loveseats. While up there you basically strike a deal with the chica, whatever she will allow, for a fee or not, goes. I may pop in from time to time for the cheap beers but I seriously doubt I'll ever cough up 30 bucks for the touchy-feelie area.

I hate to say it since I just posted on what a great time I had there. But I gotta give out this warning.

On my last trip I made three visits here. The first two visites were a exelent experience. Again the waiters, and girls, were fun to be around. Although I didn't see either of the two girls I posted about last time.

On my third trip durring the early afternoon, One of the waiters that I was joking around with the night before, was there as a customer. He asked if he could sit with me, and I said ok. After a good half hour of joking, and flirting, with some of the skanks there. The guy asked if I wanted to buy some meth from him, I declined. then after awhile he asked for a loan of $10. I told him I was leaving that night and wouldn't have a chance to get the money back. He said not to worry, he's been a drug dealer for years and made $10 off just one sell, but had just spent all het liquid assets of business supplies. I refused, so he then demanded $10, saying he just got out of 7 years in jail for assult. Then he said "remember that $50 bill I changed for you last night, I could have switched it for a $1, and when you complain I just tell the manager that you're drunk, and he will call the police on you. I do it all the time". The guy was about 5'7 and kind of skinny, and I really wanted to see the dancers tits. So I played it cool till the song was over. After it was over I told the guy to "chingun su madre, ya me voy."(fuck your mother, I'm taking off).

I think the guy's story about being in jail was BS, intended to intimidate me into giving him the $10. But I do beleive him about the drug dealing.

If it wasn't for this one experience I'd still be raving about the place as a good place to spend between hooker bars. I still haven't given up on the place, I plan on going there on my next trip. Based on what I've experienced I think this guy was acting on his own, and not with the bars permission. I'm going to report this guy to the manager next time I'm in town, and see what kind of reaction I get. If you do go there look out for waiter #19, 5'7, 130lbs, early twentys, buzz hair cut.

BTW the girl that I waited to see her tits was a very cute 5'8, 135lbs, with glasses. She treated me very well the night before for one of those $40 Peso drinks.

Odisea 2001: Two words: WOW and WHY??? I walked in this place with the absolute lowest expectations at 4 AM Thursday nite/Fri. morning and was shocked to see a) so many girls and b) some fairly attractive ones. In the downstairs area (I had never been far enough in the palce before to notice they have an upstairs area, looked pretty cool) there was ONE customer (local) and he was drinking w/ his girlfriend who was in street clothes. I counted at least 15 girls, an unbelievable ratio for such a normally lame place. As I walked in there were 6 dancers split between the two stages, and one nearest the door was young and had very large tits. I tipped her, she flashed them and I think we were both pleased with the transaction.

In a successful attempt to avoid the pestering waiters I made a beeline for the bar and got two beers for $3.75 - two for 'one' ha ha, but wasn't in the mood to argue. I was indeed left alone after that, though, and had a chance to check the place out. Not only did they have 15 chicas there, they seemed to have something for everybody. Young ones. Old ones. Alert ones. Falling down drunk ones. Fat ones. Skinny ones.

The super skinny chick would have been right up the alley of some friends of mine that like the skanky look. She was covered with tattoos and pretty animated by the substance de jour. She liked to dance whether it was her turn or not. The big titted young chica near the stage later turned out to look quite pregnant. She waged a mini strike when she didn't like the 3rd song the DJ selected for her dance set, so all she did was sit on stage. This had to be rewarded, obviously, so I tipped her again, at which point she shouted toward the back DJ both - 'SEE!!! This is what you COULD HAVE HAD!' and flashed me again. Unfortunately the chick with the GIANT tits who also went on strike during the 3rd song just walked offstage when they refused to change it. I felt severely gypped by THAT as I woulda paid her 5 bucks to see those babies, but was waiting for the last song. DAMMIT!

A trio of locals that couldn't have topped 5 feet tall came in and sat near the back and got damned excited at the prospect of seeing some older kinda blah chick get naked. They got even more excited playing grab ass with her for a buck. She got offended but kept coming back for more.

The thing that amused me most about Odisea 2001 was the fact that the place was so damned lively when everyplace else I had been that night (excluding Adelitas) had been DEAD. And this was despite having ONE customer (who was busy with his GF) and it being very late. And despite all of this, only one chica (a stumbling drunk) in any way attempted to solicit anything from me. Maybe I was immune sitting at the bar or something. Anyway, very bizarre experience there.

A SG amiga de mi has a sister who works there. She says that she does pretty well working for tips and drinks. Seems like an interesting place to me.

BUT, every time I've gone in there, I get the evil eye from some of the locals, and tend not to stay long. It may be that I've gone in during the busy time. Or, that the 'travel agents' aren't thrilled by my being there. (this place is well known for being a waystation for north bound travelers)

Glad you had fun, Porker. You'll have to go back and check out the chi-chi queen.


StrikeEagle

Below is the warning I posted about this place a few days ago under the thread "Something 2001". All those 2 for 2 beers I had in there apparently affected my memory, and I couldn't remember the name of the place when it came time to post.

Porker, I'm glad you had a good time there. Everytime I've been there the girls have been both pleasant, & fun to be with. Most seem to be a bit on the wild side, but in a good way. It doesn't matter what time of day you go, there has always been a good chica to monger ratio.

Strikeeagle, I think a lot of that "Evil eye" stuff is in your head, and comes from you being uncomfortable being in a almost all Local bar. I've actually had a few really good experiences being invited to sit with some of the locals,
since I've been going there. Which I wasn't that hesitant to let the waiter sit with me in my story below. But I'm not going to let one bad apple spoil what has been a very cool place to hang out in.


From "Something 2001" thread
I hate to say it since I just posted on what a great time I had there. But I gotta give out this warning.

On my last trip I made three visits here. The first two visites were a exelent experience. Again the waiters, and girls, were fun to be around. Although I didn't see either of the two girls I posted about last time.

On my third trip durring the early afternoon, One of the waiters that I was joking around with the night before, was there as a customer. He asked if he could sit with me, and I said ok. After a good half hour of joking, and flirting, with some of the skanks there. The guy asked if I wanted to buy some meth from him, I declined. then after awhile he asked for a loan of $10. I told him I was leaving that night and wouldn't have a chance to get the money back. He said not to worry, he's been a drug dealer for years and made $10 off just one sell, but had just spent all het liquid assets of business supplies. I refused, so he then demanded $10, saying he just got out of 7 years in jail for assult. Then he said "remember that $50 bill I changed for you last night, I could have switched it for a $1, and when you complain I just tell the manager that you're drunk, and he will call the police on you. I do it all the time". The guy was about 5'7 and kind of skinny, and I really wanted to see the dancers tits. So I played it cool till the song was over. After it was over I told the guy to "chingun su madre, ya me voy."(fuck your mother, I'm taking off).

I think the guy's story about being in jail was BS, intended to intimidate me into giving him the $10. But I do beleive him about the drug dealing.

If it wasn't for this one experience I'd still be raving about the place as a good place to spend between hooker bars. I still haven't given up on the place, I plan on going there on my next trip. Based on what I've experienced I think this guy was acting on his own, and not with the bars permission. I'm going to report this guy to the manager next time I'm in town, and see what kind of reaction I get. If you do go there look out for waiter #19, 5'7, 130lbs, early twentys, buzz hair cut.

BTW the girl that I waited to see her tits was a very cute 5'8, 135lbs, with glasses. She treated me very well the night before for one of those $40 Peso drinks.


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Chargers,

I've spent plenty of time in 'local' bars, both en la zona, and in other parts of TJ. So, I do not believe that the looks were in my head.

Remember, I have a friend who's sister works there, and both of them felt that I was not welcome. In fact, the second time we went, it was my friend who suggested that "I should not be there tonight."

No biggie. I'll give it another try.

Chargers, I walked in the place based on some stuff you mentioned about it, and avoided the waiters for this reason as well. Well, also because I hate waiters that treat me like an idiot ATM, and the way they bark outside on the street I wasn't giving any of those guys the benefit of a doubt. Unfortunately one thing your story illustrates is that it's a good idea to be wary of friendly locals when you first meet them. Some guys are merely the friendly sort and wanna practice a little English or share their INS sob story (undoubtedly they got ratted out by Westfargo). But some seem to think they're being invited on the gringo gravy train, and if you make it clear that's not part of the deal, they can get a lot less friendly in a hurry.

SE, I have received very weird reactions from locals when clearly in the company of more than one amiga, especially one that isn't working in the bar we're in, i.e., what looks like a novia and an amiga. I think locals normally see us as dopes with more money than sense, but a 'novia' makes them wanna prove they're more manly or something.

hi
i have been here about 4 times
but not recently
they are famous for pulling scams on customers
such as the famous dissapearing beer act when you buy a bucket of beers

they do have an upstairs where you can get comfortable with your amiga
but avoid this place unless you want to be scammed

milk

Milkman

Please give us some details of how you were scamed upstairs. I've never even considered taking a girl up there. But it would be usefull information.

Chargers,

I think Milkman meant to avoid the entire club, not just the upstairs area.

When I stopped in there awhile back a waiter explained the whole deal to me, basically you have to buy your chosen companion a bucket of beers, think he said 30 bucks (I posted the actual amount on the other 2001 section, btw why'd you start a whole new one Porker?). Buying the bucket gives you the privilege of going upstairs with your amiga and whatever you work out with her goes. Didn't sound like much of a deal to me, but I didn't feel any kind of an overt scam vibe.

I think the waiter I was talking to remembered me from another club so that could explain the civil treatment, I dunno. I took advantage of the two for one beers and split.

Back then they had a banner declaring the name of club is now TJ Club-Bar. Even though I've walked by it a hundred times since then I've never noticed if that banner is still there, anyone know? I've still got the flyer the guys outside were handing out, if I find it I'll scan it and post it ... jist fer fun!

Why'd a start a new thread? I looked under 'Bars-Zona Norte' and didn't find Odisea 2001 or anything resembling it. 'Something 2001' growing mold somehwere else doesn't quite cut it, and I ain't THE MAN so I don't rename mis-named, misplaced threads. Secondly, I did it to confuse Redongdo!

Where is this place, I have never seen it. Thanks

Confusing me doesn't take a lot of work mi amigo!

Actually I just wanted to piss you off a little, a day w/o Porker bellowing at someone is a day w/o...well maybe sunshine wouldn't apply here..but it spices things up.

Btw, just to poke you with that stick one more time, you even posted on that other thread!

Now let's go somewhere and buy me a beer!

hi

i posted about this club before on this board

well the most recent rippoff was some time ago 3 or 4 months

a girl i knew had a sister that just started here and worked as a stripper

so i came in one night and she told me lets go upstairs - it is more private

a waiter came back with a bucket of 6 beers and the total i think was 25 or 35 dollars i cannot remember

so he pops all of them open and leaves
well we got into kissing grinding ect..
and its her time to dance -so i hit the bathroom and she goes down stairs to dance and when i come back 3 beers are missing from the bucket.

i told the waiter and he said she drank them - i said no and he said she did - i am sorry !
i said that is impossible becuase she is dancing

when i went to complain i got back and another beer was flipped upside down - emptied into the bucket

i yelled at him and left

he now works at club 69 rio ritas
he is an older guy 40's with a mustache - the only barker there that is not bald

everytime i walk by i stare at him and he knows me becuase i yelled at him and gave him the business that night

stay away from that place
it was better when i was just a small drinking hole

milkman

SE mentioned the Odesia 2000 "evil eye".

Yes. I know what you mean. What I found was that they expect you to be like all the other gringos who accidently walked in the place, and just leave.

But, if you buy a beer and start blending into the scenery, it goes away pretty fast... then, after about 3 beers, you'll be left wondering why you just didn't walk out in the first place.

Guys....It's called "Odyessy 2001". It's located on Constitution, near Calle Coahuila. We agree that the place is quite the dive, but The GOODFELLAS spend a fair amount of time there when bored. The waiters and management know us and we have become imune to any waiter games. "2001" is one of those places that has potential, but none of the owners make the effort to make it what it could be. Here's the skinny...The place is a shithole, but you'll find some really decent, inexpensive pussy in the joint. DON'T GO "UPSTAIRS"...It's a Rip-Off! Avoid the manager "Marco". He's a little short guy, who will set you right up, but is quick to say "where my tip?" and demands a high amount. Do what we do...Ignore him until you're good and ready to give him something for his efforts. Then give him what you want (or nothing). Let's just say he doesn't ask The GOODFELLAS that question anymore.... Go at night and ask for Michelle or Claudia. Michelle has a few yucky tattoos, but screws like she's doing it to save her life. Claudia is much more "innocent" looking, but also quite the ride...

What hotel do you take these fine women to?

I'm a bad influence on those innocent Mexicans....

Bored stiff, I went in once again, and none less than Barbara was on the front stage - the one that reminds me of a pool table.

A couple of drunk locals (or maybe chicanos) had a row of empty beer bottles set up and thought they were having a good time.

I ordered my usual agua mineral and whipped out my impressive one dollar bill - I got to suck (not just kiss) Barbara's lovely tits - both of 'em.

The two local boys went wild - I guess they hadn't thought of it. Well, they followed my lead, but it's a hell of a note when locals have to learn how to act drunk from a sober gringo.

Maybe I should charge for lessons....

To answer explorer's question, The GOODFELLAS take their "2001" Rent-A-Chicas to the hotel directly across the street from the bar itself. Its a little dive, but they're making an effort to remodel. Well, at least they were last Friday Night. The room was ten bucks for a half hour, which is a bit pricey for a dump, but it was reasonably clean and the desk guy gave us some additional time without us asking. I'll check on the name of the place when we go this Friday...

Is that the upstair hotel or the downstairs "garden apartment" style arrangement?

It was the upstairs hotel. Now that you mention it...It WAS set up a bit like apartments. It actually wasn't half bad. We're more used to Rizo de Oro or Cascadas to do our porking in, but this place will do for a quickie...Goodfella Rich

LOL @ garden style apartments. I've been in there many times with the $10 SGs out front.

The TJ GOODFELLAS took a trip to Paradise (TJ) to confirm the name of the hotel across the stret from Odyessey-2001. It's The "HACIENDA". It consists of about six rooms that are built strictly for the Rent-A-Chicas to do business. Judging by the smile on Goodfella Ed's face, it appears he made another trip upstairs to the Hacienda this trip... Goodfella Rich

So what's the fee range for these 2001 chicas? TIA

I don't know, but I sure like to spend time (but not much money) with Barbara...

To answer Merenpapi, The going rate in 2001 is $40 to $60 a ride, plus $10 "exit fee". Look out for Marco. He'll sneak up, put his palm out and say "Where's my tip". Marco does his part to set up those who NEED help and manages to annoy those of us who DON'T. He's an ok guy, but definitely a hustler born to work the TJ bars. You can see some of the 2001 chicas on our site. Just click on our profile, click on our site address and take a look....Goodfella Rich

Got it Goodfellas. Thanks again.

What's the real damage for a bucket of chica beers/ticket to the upstairs private room with Bambi style booths? I paid 35 bucks the other night. Seemed a little high, but what's money to a rich guy like me??? I would've complained about the amount if my chica didn't have her tongue in my mouth before they even brought the beers. And for all of the 90 minutes of dancing we did downstairs (for ONE beer), I'd gladly pay 6 times as much to have her naked and macking upstairs.

Of course the main course never materialized as I got stood up when the club closed. And I thought she LOVED ME!!!

I was there last night (4-4-02) and bought an agua mineral. I gave the waiter 50 pesos.
Quite a bit later (10 minutes ?) another waiter asked if I wanted another drink. I said quite loudly "I'm still waiting for my change from the first one."

I guess it worked. 2 or 3 minutes later my waiter
appeared with my change.

In the past I had always bought my drink at the bar. Seems like it was a good idea.

Pauncho

They've changed the layout a little.

Instead of a (secondary) "pool-table-sized" dance paltform on the right as you enter, there is a corner-shaped one on both sides.

Once I got to really suck a tit well (or was it both) and get a really wet finger for my dollar.

This is really a YMMV type of place.

I went in this place by invitation of the barkers outside, just to check it out. There was one good looking dancer, but some of the chicas sitting closer to the door looked a bit ugly. I bought an agua mineral, but it was delivered with the top already removed, and no fizz to the water, which was room temperature. I think they simply refilled a used bottle with tap water, so I didn't drink any past the first sip. The place was a real pit, only the dancer on stage made it worth my effort to check the place out.

I also went into this place at the invitation of the barkers, 2 for 1 special on beer, what a dump inside, no problems, lack luster dancers and not pushy, just no drive to the place, and did not stay to finish second beer. Not a place to hang out.

Re: TJ GOODFELLAS' post, above, about the "exit fee": is this better known as a "bar fine"? In which case, you also have to pay for the hotel. If that is Hacienda, their outrageous price is, as posted elsewhere above, $10/30 minutes ($5/15 min's).

When this place was upstairs, it was $5/3 minutes, and, when they first opened, they had good showers, with hot water. Now, they are, as far as I know, only downstairs, having taken over a restaurant. They get tremendously obnoxious if you are in the room for one minute more than the time you paid for.

Many of the women that use this place will go elsewhere, such as, Monitos (sp?) (NE corner of Constitution & Coahuila); or the upstairs hotel with stairs just on the south side of the ice cream place, that is on the SE corner of Consitution & Coahuila.

For Monitos, you may have to go by there before you round up a woman, and negotiate a price, for using the room with a woman - I've had them try to gouge. Price is $5 for, I believe, an entire hour. If you "pre-negotiate," don't pre-pay.

The other place is $4/30 minutes. It looks dark and rundown, but the beds are ok.

I've never had either place ever knock.

Monitos will rent all night. Don't recall price. Terrible place: Hell's bells, I guess at that damn enormous Catholic church on the corner of Ninos Heroes and 2nd, ring frequently, loudly, and annoyingly. The room has no heater in the winter. May have a fan. Beds look nice, but are too lumpy for all nighters.

Don't know about nightly rentals at the other two places, Hacienda and its neighbor on its north.

By the way, I read an article in La Frontera, a Tijuana newspaper, in which the Catholic priest at that church complained about, "The prostitutes working in front of the church."

Uh, no, pops, the nearest they come, at least, while working, is the NW and SE corners of 1st and Ninos Heroes.

Guess those scantily clad women out front of your place are your choir girls!

When and why did this place get shut down? They had yellow tape on the front and it looked like it was closed for good. Same with Monaco Bar around the corner.

That explains why it was so quiet in that area the other day (no barkers). There was 1 bar across from AB & West that had notice closed due to a liguor or license violation.

http://www.frontera.info/edicionenlinea/nota.asp?NumNota=28026

Guess it wasn't for very long, as of last saturday I saw all these bars open.

based on my Spanglish reading comprehension, it appears the bars were closed for staying open past the permitted closing time...

In other words, they didn't get the mordida in on time to the jefe de policia...

it is my understanding that all the major and most minor ZN bars pay to stay open later...something like $800 a week according to what a mgr. told me recently

good to see those inevitable beer and ficha increases going to such a good cause.

Photos: Alejandra - Odisea 2001 01 02 03 04

Went here a couple of days ago. I had been here before and remember two very important things about this place: 1) They play METAL music. 2) They have big ass couches.

Me and a friend go in and get our couch all to ourselves. My fat ass felt great because basically these are NICE huge leather style couches up there by the dance stage. We get our first round and everthing was kewl. Loud Ramstein, Guns and Roses, Metallica and Bon Jovi. Okay great, what more can I ask for. The chicas danceing were decent. Not 9 or 10 material, but decent. Second round comes and my bud pays for it. He told me what happend later. He says the messero took his $20.00 and immediatly gave his change back on the spot by counting back the bills, a $10.00, and like 4 or so $1.00's - then as he places the change in my friends hand, he magicly keeps the $10.00. So fortunatly, my bud re-counts his change back to him - and upps... the messero sticks his hand in the couch to mysteriously blame my buddy for droping it! Wow! Maybe those couches are a planted scam? Geez! Then after another successful round, with no change problems, some d00d runs into the table we are at and one of the beer bottles falls down- smash! No problem, no harm. The messero (who attempted a scam and received our generous tipps) - says "you gotta pay $1.00 for the clean up." My friend in Spanish tells the messero "you should pay ME, I did not drop it, some guy walking past us did." Sheit.... No we did not pay the $$.

The dancers are decent, the music is awesome if you like Rock/Metal, the vibe is seedy and high energy, the messeros as per previous posts are shit.

Can't wait to go again.... hahhaha

No problem, no harm. The messero (who attempted a scam and received our generous tipps)

A question: Why in the FUCK are you tipping the guy that's trying to rip you off?

Because I have been trained to tip for everything down there. Thats an honnest answer, and I am not atempting to be cute. As I said, I had been there before, and knew it was not like Adilitas or CC where 97% of the time your change is brought back. Porker, stay tunned for my TR. There is a story in it I want you to read.

I think you should un-train yourself to mindlessly tip people, especially those that are ripping you off at every opportunity.