The entire time that I have visited the major clubs in Tijuana has been during the general upswing in the U.S. economy...until recently. Since the slight recession in the U.S. economy, I have noticed that TJ is extremely slow. Sometimes AB and CC are outright dead on any night other than Saturday. Even Fridays are much, much slower than I remember and this is supposed to be peak season for mongering.
Now, a mongers first response might be that this is great because the chicas are forced into providing better service at lower prices or that a person can get longer sessions without the rush. This is not totally true. If you haven't noticed, a large portion of the top notch chicas in CC and AB are bailing the profession altogether. Many of the Hotties that I normally see have went back to their families for a period of time until their nest egg runs out or the economy gets better. I was in AB on Wed night and it was the worst selection of chicas I have ever seen, even the cows were standing in HC.
Now this brings me to my point.....I have also noticed that many of the girls are in panic-mode and are looking for an American whom can be their 401k plan out of AB or CC. Many of the sessions I have been having lately have been followed by one of these statements by the chicas:
1. Are you married, do you have kids?
2. You dont...well then can we go out some time outside of work? Since I am going out with a girl at CC and Bolero..my answer is no.

After having multiple sessions with favoritas, they now start talking about dating and wanting to find someone to settle down with and wonder about my thoughts on settling down with someone "like" them...so on and so on.

Or...can I get them a visa.

Now, my GF from CC is starting to put marriage pressure on me and she never even alluded to that before.

In addition, now these chicas are even more competitive. They get even more pissed if you do not continue to go upstairs with them after they have given you extended GFE sessions with french kissing. By not being loyal to them, I am now hurting their income. Now..when I walk into AB, I am greeted with smiles from some and mean stares from those whom I have ditched after several GFE sessions. I don't want more than 3 GFE sessions with these chicas because they soon become attached and want to take the relationship outside of AB...and I dont want that shit.
Worse yet...the chicas whom are lower than my standards now hate me because I wont even consider going upstairs with them no matter how drunk I get. They ask and ask and ask and flirt and I say "no" or make up some excuse...eventually they resent you and try to get other chicas to jump on their bandwaggon. I am now in the middle of a conversation in the AB soap opera and I dont like it. I think it's time for me to walk away from AB a while and stick to my free sex with my Bolero girl and dump the CC chica. The CC chica is getting dissed by her Asian clients at CC because they found out she had a gringo boyfriend...another fuckin soap opera...
Anyways...thanks for letting me rant.
Be careful with these chicas...they will try to put you in their web and ask you to marry them....dont fall for it.
Most of these chicas were molested by their fathers or brothers and were preyed upon by mexicanos at a young age and became pregnant as a result. Before they even have any understanding about what sex is, they have a kid and their mexicanos are long gone. Those motherfuckers never stick by their chicas efter pregnancy....as a result they will resent men for the rest of their lives. Just say no.

Is this Diego using a different handle?

Blazers
Reading between the lines in your post, it actually sounds like, you love, and thrive, off all the soap opera stuff.

At the clubs, virtually all the girls I go with give me a GFE with French kissing. Yet, I've never had(that I know of) any of them get upset when I went with another girl. If they did, I didn't notice, or care.

From your post, it's obvious you choose to get involved with the girls on a different level, and then like the emotional rollercoaster it takes you on.

Chargers...Trust me, I do not like the soap opera or the attention it has created. The attention from the chicas is somewhat addictive but the after effects are horrendous...I'm learning as I go....After reading my post again, I realize it may sounded as if I'm bragging but the attention that I receive is no different than any other young American monger in TJ.

Blazers,

I didn't think you were bragging at all. Actually useful and interesting inside info.

I left this afternoon for the first time in 2.5 years without doing anyone. It was like a fucking ghost town down there.

LOL , that last post was on 7/28/01

Innocent, I bet compared to the last few weeks after the 911 attacks, that "ghost town" you described would seem like a packed house now.

I also notice recently to a much greater degree that the chicas are much more defensive of you being "their" property. If you dont buy them a drink or go up with them, they actually get upset now!! Before they were ok with it as they understood that I liked to have variety but they always knew eventually I'd take them back up again.

One chica I've been going with for about a year even gave me an ultimatum that if she sees me going up with another girl she's never going to be with me again. I like her and all, but I dont go for that ultimatum crap, so the next thing I did was took a different girl, held her hand and walked out of the bar together in front of her. LOL.

Of course, I knew this would have consequences later as this last week when I went down there, I got a big ole slap in the face from her when she saw me. She yelled out something in Spanish that I didnt catch and just stormed off. My pride was hurt a bit, and it felt weird being involved in a big scene like that in a hooker bar, but that was nothing a few beers couldnt take care of!

I just wonder, if a girl wanted to get back at you, if she would hire a few rateros to look for you and beat the living daylights outta you..... I dont think she'll do this and quite frankly, I dont care even if she did. If i go... then i'm ready to go down kicking and screaming all the way, but im just curious as to what your experiences are towards situations like this.

Please feel free to share your thoughts and comments.

Eclipse,

This kind of thing is generally not a good idea. In TJ, you may be able to get away with it, and not have to face getting jumped on the street. (Though we've all heard of that kind of thing happening) The most that normally will happen is that your 'rep' will get a thrashing with all of the friends of 'your' chica.

That said, do NOT do this kind of thing if you go to Asia. In Asia, this kind of thing will really screw up your 'rep' and more than likely result in some unhappy times at the very least at the bar in which this girl works. And, you run the risk of bad consequences on the street.

What she did was not correct, but she's 'protecting' her business. What you did was an affront to her. Flaunting it like that was probably not a good idea.

If you want variety, go for it. But, IMHO, you can do so and still show some respect to las chicas.


StrikeEagle

Totally agree with StrikeEagle.

Piss her off and she'll do the worst thing that can happen to you in hookerland. She'll tell all the other girls that you don't have any money! LOL.

Regards,
RickFeliz

Rickfeliz
You are right,but you still have to be careful.These girls are not the girl next door.As long as you never told them they were special you are allright.That should not be a problem for most mongers since they can't speak spanish,so they don't talk to the chicas anyway.

I think it is all about money, they are just trying to manipulate you ( us?)

whats next, pay her not to go with you?

In asia, maybe a little more serious conquences than just a beating, just ask the ducks.

Hello all, Fig here. I read Blazers and others comments here. In my limited experience all are correct. Blazers seems to take it to limit with gf so no wonder she is possesive he is boyfriend. If chica gives 3 gfe sessions she is apt to feel slighted, she is only human. I think many chicas pick and choose who they give gfe to so naturally feel slighted when they get picked over. They have given all they have so no wonder, even if hooker bar. I don't understand the need to prove to chica who is boss especially when she is angry. This can only result in bad stuff. Even though it is pay for sex and chicas want the money sex can still be intimate thing for chica. Lovesick customers aren't the only people with feelings.

Regards,
Fig

Don't forget this is OUR PLAYGROUND! Eclipse, Good for you! I did the same thing, and you know what I now have someone better. So now whose loss...hers! I worried too about getting jumped or mugged, etc. but it didn't happen. Basically, she made up some shit about me and I am black-balled by a small group. No big deal, because there are plenty of other girls. I have the same attitude here in the States. The girl should be honored to have a nice guy to take care of her. Once she disrespects that then I never give in. It's about being a MAN. I wish more men would be men and not let women run all over them. Whether it be their wives, gf's, or even TJ whore favoritas.

Polio, I agree with you up to a point: But once the guy misleads the chica that what is going on is BEYOND Puta/Customer, one is asking for that kind of trouble. It's all well and good to go there and treat them like Putas, and then to expect the right to just go with the next one, and then the next.

But when Eclipse changes the rules by making the chica think that she is dealing in a "Special" relationship, Eclipse, or anyone else, for that matter, must realize that you pay a premium for that "Special" treatment. And that price might NOT be paid in mere money. It is paid in a quid pro-quo that you WON'T disrespect the chica, and you probably need to at least NOT FLAUNT IT when you go up to the room with other chicas. Remember, that TRUE GF implies at least a minimal pretense of BFE from you.

We are all welcome to treat this as a playground of Putas. But once we choose to change the rules on the chicas, they change for us as well. This is true with ALL human relationships - be they in the Zona, or anywhere else.

Pollo sez it our playground and to be a man. I do not think proving manhood is causing chica to lose face in front of her friends. No chica ever gave me ultimatum and makes me think something else was going on. If chica give me ultimatum I would talk to her not throw gas on fire. Adelitas may be our playground and we have money but remember who playmates are. They can choose not to play with who they think are aholes.

Regards,
Fig

Guys,

It may be our playground, but it's in their ballpark and in their country, and have to play by their rules. don't' forget that ultimately it is la chica who chooses to go up or not. Showing a total lack of respect or awareness of the indignant culture and the human nature of las chicas is both arrogant and foolish.

If you're just looking for a sperm receptacle, then you have little to fear by showing the kind of attitude that you have written about here. BUT, if you ever want to experience any kind of GFE, you'd better be willing to accept the fact that you are NOT in Kansas any more.

IMHO, Dman is totally correct in his presentation, as is Rick.

But, hey, it's your life to live. For every one of you who treats las chicas like trash, others of us have the opportunity to gain favor and high quality sessions by showing las chicas that not every gringo guy is a raving jerk.


StrikeEagle

Well, let me just clarify something on here. I treat all the chicas there as ladies first, sexworkers second. Unless they do something otherwise to be treated in another manner.

The ultimatum chica clearly knew from the beginning that I didnt want anything monogamous. She did make our time together *quite* special, which I did enjoy.... it was about 6mos b4 she agreed to do bbbj's w/ me. And from other reports, this is not something she usually does. And she gave gfe w/ deep long french kisses, which I also know that she doesnt usually do. It'd be naive for me to think that I'm the only one she gives gfe to, but its nice to know that I'm just one of a handful that's experiencing such treatment.

At any rate I'm getting off the subject. When it gets to the point where she starts to whine and complain about seeing her only and no one else, thats when things get really simple for me. Its time to move on. When she gave me an ultimatum, I decided to do what came naturally to me at that time. Which was parade a different chica in front of her. Now I realize that wasnt such a brilliant thing to do as it makes her lose face, but it just happened.

I went down last night and saw her. I tried to talk to her but she tried to slap me again! LOL , this time I was ready for it and just simply moved out of the way. she nearly tripped on herself when she swung and missed. lol. and all I asked was why she was still so mad at me for!! =PP

At any rate, I dont think anything would really happen like Pollo said. But its making me think twice now about showing up a chica like that again. It just peeves me when they give you an ultimatum saying that you may never be with another chica or 'else'. If its a normal relationship I can understand and I'd agree to it, but this is a pay for sex relationship. There's none of this conditional shit in a hooker bar!!!! You dictate what goes and stays, not her. Now, I'm not trying to be insenstive to the girls feelings either, that's just the way it works in my book. I dont lead them on in any way either. They know I'm there for a good time only. If I'm paying for her time and services, I dont need her giving me any sort of lip. If I wanted that, I'd have a regular girlfriend back here in the united states.

Feel free to agree to disagree about my opinions.

I suspect that she wouldn't pay someone to beat you up because she'd have to spend money, and our sweet friends are quite tight-fisted.....and anybody she could "influence" into to doing it - might have otherwise paid, hence she loses money....
I do have one ex-favorita that worries me a little bit, and I didn't even dis her in public, but merely told her that I (finally - after MANY dollars) no longer believed her stories of need.

Please, "they choose who they play with" and "play by their rules". No chica has ever rejected me and I choose them always.
Dress nice, smile, and have dinero is all it takes....that is the way it is, period.
You guys like to think you are special that get GFE, when in reality the girl is doing a lot of guys like that and I am one of them. Don't flatter yourselves.
Besides a woman likes a man that is in control, has confidence, and stands behind his beliefs.
For those who give in and let girl dictate what goes on, has a girl that is laughing with friends out of the bar about you being a gringo schmuck and taking your money too.

It is our playground, we choose who we want, we pay the money. Until you getting it for free or she is paying then it shouln't change. Unless you want to "pay her not to go with you" LOL

Pollo
The first time you do the choosing but after that first time all decisions regarding sex in any form good or bad is up to her.That is because if you choose her again she knows you like her and it is that second time or even third time that she will decide if she wants you as a good customer,novio or she doesn't really want anything to do with you.These girls can really get to like guys whether it be because certain guys are good looking or because they are nice and rich.It doesn't mean they love anyone because that is a word.They like you and want you for whatever reason to be in their lives.They have their own lives in the zona but they do know there could be a better,different one out there for them.If you come along at the right time at the right moment in both of your lives,who knows?

Hi Specific, back in the redsnake days, there was a long detailed threaded post+many responses regarding your last sentence "If you come along at the right time at the right moment in both of your lives,who knows? "

Back then, I fell for a chica also, but after that, I've learned to check my feelings at the border. The poster who originally stated that phrase I dont remember, but I will forever live by that rule. Its not worth it being hooked up for good w/ a chica of such profession. Simply too much baggage. It outweighs the benefits by a longshot.

Now I realize that some relationships w/ zona girls do work out, however they are very rare and are far and few in between. For every success, there's about a gazillion failures. I just think if you are looking for a soul mate, you have much better chance of success going to some dating service or joining some social clubs to meet the right girl. La zona is just for pure entertainment value.

Oh and Pollo, I agree with you about carrying one's self while down there. Dress nice, dont be a pompous jackass, and the most important thing of all, just have dinero. No dinero. No chica. They can pretend to like you as much as they want but once your money disappears, so will they.

Eclipse
I have had two so-called relationships with zona chicas.One was Mahogany who I took to Cabo for 5 days and Ensenada for a weekend.I call her a relationship because she was a chica I knew pre- implants and pre high volumn and I think really liked me.She changed after she became high volumn
but is still a very troubled girl.Yes now I am just a ex-novio of which she has many.
The other relationship was really different.This girl is a bitch at Adelitas.She will give you a pretty bad session at Adelitas(it is her M.O).She gave me 2 bad sessions before she decided she wanted to be with me.She also is very mixed up because of early abuse by family members.She is also really very special and smart.She lived with me for 3 months and tried to change her life but could not beat her demons.If her early life was just alittle different she really could have been something special.Her and I are still friends.
She is still at adelitas because it keeps her liking herself,knowing that she is thin and cute and still attracting mongers and cash.When she is at her best she can make mucho dinero.She and I have dinner together once a week and enjoy each others company going to the cine which we both enjoy.Money never exchanges hands and we do not have sex.We are just friends,who at this point really know each other.I think what I have with her can be called a relationship.

Blazers, I just have to wonder if this has changed since the attacks. It seems like now they would be aggressively chasing their 401k with even more zeal.

Specific, yes, you are involved in an emotional relationship instead of a physical.

You are "lucky" enough to be able to have progressed to the point where you two are friends.

I have had a similar experience and found that once the sex stopped, either for free or for money, we became much closer friends than before.

I also have become aware of some different perspectives about her. In fact, it is clear to me now that when we were having sex for free, that it was racking up feelings of resentment in her and this was the cause of several subsequent problems for us. After all, why should she give away part of her paycheck to me!

She admits now that she was always jealous with respect to me and other chicas. This caused lots of problems that I was not aware of back then and was the root cause why, every once in awhile, she would be pissed off at me for no obvious reason.
It turns out that she would have followed up on something I had mentioned to her about being with another chica a long time ago, and then the next time I saw her, she would have a big chip on her shoulder. It didn't matter that it happened before I knew her. She always assumed that any good memories with other chicas meant that I was still thinking of them and might stray.

This is one of her few insecurities that I have ever been able to clearly identify and get her to acknowledge as well.

We split up, and she worked for awhile longer, but finally went back home to get her head on straight for a few months.

Now, we are just close friends who get together like you and your chica do. We go out for a meal or two each week, and then do some fun things like the cine or mini-golf.

It is amazing how she is always in a good mood now as compared to moody temptress she used to be before.

We have both forgiven each other and the past we had together. We have started all over as "just friends". With an american girl, this would be the death knell of a relationship, but with a chica, it is like being reborn again.

To the mongers who leave their hearts at the border, my hat is off to them. It is a double edged sword. They'll never feel as bad as I did when we broke up, but then again they'll never feel as good as I did while we were/are together. Sex with chicas is easy to come by (all you have to do is pay them), but a close friendships is much more difficult to cultivate.

If I had to do it all over again, I would done some things differently, but I'll never regret taking my heart with me across the border.

I agree with Specific regarding Chicas doing the choosing. As Specific stated earlier, yes you initially do the picking but after 2 or 3 sessions you can feel something is different. Not necessarily good or bad because sometimes it's difficult to determine what provokes an action or non-action. I have a hard enough time figuring out non-"working" woman, let alone the ones that you take upstairs too see how well they can maneuver your joystick with whatever orifice they choose. My guess would be if a chica really didn't like you, she could make it real difficult for you to take her upstairs or atleast think about taking her upstairs again. e.g. inflated prices, bad sessions, etc. True, money can influence a lot of people to do things they normally wouldn't want to do. But I can assure you that you don't want to be on the receiving end of someone who resents you. Ever ask a waiter/waitress to take food back, and for some unfathomable reason you become ill?