OAKLAND FAMILY ANGRY OVER TIJUANA DEATH

"Mexican authorities blamed in case of man strangled after racial brawl at Bar."

After reading this article today in
The San Francisco Chronicle, June 6,2001, I thought I'd pass this on to my fellow mongers so that they, as I did, learned that it's not safe to get into ANY altercations in TJ. The good things is that this incident happened on Revolution Avenida and not at out local meeting places. Phew.

Valentino

Ps. The writer here must be a Secretive Monger


Oakland family angry over Tijuana death

Mexican authorities blamed in case of man strangled after racial brawl at bar
By Henry K. Lee
Chronicle Staff Writer

Lamont Hill, his brother and a friend were enjoying a Memorial Day weekend in Tijuana when tempers flew inside a bustling bar over a racist remark, a brawl ensued and hill ended up dead. A week later, Hill's East Bay family is seething, sayig that Mexican authorities did nothing to prevent the killing and in addition let several suspects off the hook. And to make matters worst, they say, a Mexican mortuary employees drove the 27-year-old Oakland man's decomposing body back home in a makeshift hearse without air-conditioning. "It's a total nightmare," Hill's brother, Anthony Hill, 31, said yesterday from his Hayward home. "It hasn't gotten any better. I just can't believe it." As Hill's kin prepare for his funeral tomorrow, U.S. consular officials are reviewing the May 27 incident at the Iguana Ranas club. "Were working with the Mexican authorities, but the investigation is still ongoing," Lorena Blanco, a U.S. consular spokeswoman in Mexico, said Yesterday. Mexican prosecutors could not be reached for comment. Hill, a 6-foot-8-inch, 320- pound former Albertsons employee, died of asphyxia by strangulation after being beaten inside the bar in a fight provoked by a patron who referred the African American men with a racial slur, according to Anthony Hill. Hill, an electrician, and his wife, Robin, said they blame Mexican authorities for not intervening to stop the beating and for not prosecuting all five men who were charged in the case. As they went from bar to bar on the night of May 26, Lamont Hill, brother Anthony and longtime friend Taron Bryant,25, of Oakland were joined by four American women they met that weekend, three of whom were latinas and one who is African American. After visiting two bars, the three men, who are all black, and the four women went inside the Iguanas Ranas club on Tijuanas popular Avenida Revolution about 12:30 a.m. on May 27. A mexican man asked one of the Latino women to dance, but she refused. The man then asked if she was Latino, and after she replied yes, he asked why she was "hanging around with N_," Anthony Hill said. The woman told the Hill brothers and Bryant what had happened, but the men "blew it off," Anthony Hill said. Hours later, the two groups exchanged words and Bryant asked the Mexican Men what thier problem was. One of the men swung at Bryant but missed, striking Lamont Hill instead. his brother said. Lamont Hill swung back, setting off a melee in which "all the staff at Iguana just jumped on him and punched him and choked him.' Anthony Hill said. "They didn't try to push us back or break it up. When all this happened, the manager could have stopped it at any time, but he didn't." Some Tijuana police officers joined in the beating, said Anthony Hill, whotried to administer CPR to his brother before being pulled away. A message left at the club yesterday was not returned. On May 30, a man drove Lamont Hill's body from Tijuana to the Colonial Chapel funeral home on High Street in Oakland. Despite assurances that the body would be properly embalmed and refrigerated, it was "very deteriorated,' said Colonial funeral director Paul Scudder. "The mother really wanted to see him in an open casket, but we were unable to provide that service because the body was handled improperly," Scudder said. Hill's body was creamated instead. On Monday Judge Alberto Molina Hernandez in Tijuana released four of five suspects, leaving only one man, 25-year-old waiter Felipe Patricio Wasserteil Carrillo, to face a charge of homicide after more than 60 witnesses were questioned. "I fell terrible." Bryant said. "I'm mad. It shouldn't have happened like that, and now they're not even enforcing the law." Demetria Murphy, 21, of San Bernardino, among the four women in the group, agreed, saying, "It just sucks, you go somewhere and you still run into a racial conflict with everybody."

wow, this doesnt make race relations any better...hey, supes, you wonder why i didnt fight back in my altercation on ninos heros in feb. when i got my nose busted from some barker who i was mouthing off to..I could easily see about five or so barkers, waiters, and locals jumping on me, beating the crap out of me....Tomas, boy you are lucky that you didnt die down there in your little encounter..One thing that surprised is that the guy who died was a big fella... 6'7", like 320 pounds? what were the locals thinking?

There's always a lesson to be learned. That being you don't "mouth off" to people. I'm sure alcohol played a role. Everytime I go down there I see all these lightweight MoFos who can't handle their liquor get into trouble or get carried home by their buddies. It's good to have fun, but too much of anything is not a good thing.

Harry

Valintino,
I read that storie in the paper last week. After that I went to TJ with Melvin. Melvin's black. Him and I walked next to the Iguana Rana's and Melvin started calling the guys "beeners" etc... the barkers started to call Melvin "Fucking black ass N___ go home or we'll kill you too." Melvin went nutts. After a few minutes of name calling we walked away and Melvin was really angry. He said, look at that place, if that place were in the US those guys would be in Jail, and the place would be closed down. It's increadable, 1 miles from the US and this shit still happens. Their so brave and flaunting their content for Blacks. He said, Selma and Little rock are nothing compared to this place. I said, lets go get a little, "Westfargo" revenge. Normaly, he disapears when I release my anger after some Mexico cheat me or I see others getting cheated. But this time, he was, IN THE MOOD FOR ACTION! Our first stop was the AB bar. I found a bottle cap opener leying on the floor. I was sitting under the heater. I took the bottle opener and jammed it into the heating ducts of the heater. I destroided the heater. Melvin took his beer and said, I'm going to the "Mens room" After 15 minutes went by I deceided to check up on Melvin. I walked into the Mens room and it was flooded. I said, Melvin! are you there? He said, I'm almost through! About a minute later he walked out. The toilet was litterly clacked in half, and he had mannaged to jam his whole beer bottle and role of toilet paper into the whole.
The attents that are supposed to CLEAN the bathroom were so busy bathing in their pride about how clean the bathrooms are, not to mention guarding the TIP box with their life's. That they had no idea what had happened. Melvin looked so happy.

Next we went to the Chevelas. He hates the Chevelas, why? because the waiters call him a "Chongo" gorella in spanish. Plus most of the gals wont fuck him. They said, "Chongo's" have AIDS. He went to work on the Chevellas stall number 2. It was so destroided, it look like a Mexican family had just used it. Melvin is the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. He really has a head on his sholder. But man, he really went off the deap end. I just wish more Americans would partake in the festivities. However, be very descreat...

Westfargo...

hi westfargo

good going 2 points for your guys !!
its ashame that happens there

but what do you expect mexicans are even more racists against their own race !

many of times i will ask a middle or high class chica to go with me to las pulgas and they all say the same thing

oh those are low class girls - i dont want anything to with them

take care
milkman

Let's see if I have this right. Melvin starts callling the Iguanas Ranas staff 'beaners' and then he gets mad when they come back with the 'N' word.

Then WestFargo and Melvin vandalize Adelita Bar.
And Milkman gives them the thumbs up for doing so.

Makes one proud to be an American.

BTW CHONGO does not mean gorilla in Spanish. GORILA is gorilla in spanish. CHANGO is Mexican Spanish for monkey.

Reytj,
"Mono" is Monkey. "Chongo" is the Mexican version of the "N____" and "Gabacho" is a slimly little frog. Like a guppy. It comes from the word "Rana" Whetto, is the Mexicans poor attempt at calling you a "Whittie"

Don't defend them. They've called you everything in the book and rip you off everytime you cross the border. They're nother more then sewer skum...

Westfargo...

I do not quite see the point of taking revenge on AB when AB did nothing wrong.

I am very sensitive to the racial concerns expressed here. I am greiviously appalled at the recent incident at Iguana.

Las Chevalis is definitely a more mexican bar than AB. In my opinion, when you are in someone else's country (and you most certainly were) (and being a mile from the border doesn't mean shit! Grasp the principle - it is a different country!) you need to understand their customs and methods, leave your American view of the world at home, and "go along"; or stay home. It is NOT the United States, which is precisely why we like to go there. If you can't handle that it is a different country, with different laws, methods, opinions (including a different set of racial and racist tendencies), ad naseum, then you have NO business leaving the US.

I really can not support Americans, and particulary mexican Americans, going to TJ and saying: That aint Right! I am going to fuck with you. That is how shithead tourists get into very nasty situations. Don't ask me to help get you out again.

Westfargo, I just fuckin don't get it! Every post you badmouth Mexico and Mexicans yet you go back week after week. Why not just stay home! And now you're advocating vandalism. Not the way to go. Just wait until you get caught and get your ass kicked! You're really going to hate the place. Spanish lesson for the day. "Mono" means dummy or mannequin, "Chongo" is a sort of hair style like the beehive, Gabacho" is "whittie", "Chango" is monkey, and "Whetto" is blondie or in reference to someone who is light-skinned.

Harry

Actually, my beef is with Melvin, not Westfargo here. I consider WF posts to be a sort of fiction. Melvin may be fictional. Melvin's described actions were crimminal.

I may be way off base, but I thought WF's message here was that there are two sides to every confrontation. If African-Americans go into mexico and start fights, or even just get into fights, then there is going to be trouble.

Rodney King would have gotten killed in that bar. Going to mexico and calling the mexicans racist is insanity. And to pick a fight with bar employees? They will take down the aggressor. It is not the US and you do not have US citizen rights in mexico.

gabacho actually does mean frog, and was originally slang for a french person, but is now used for all whites...

guero is actually not of spanish origin, and is a indian word, but of course refers to a white person.

Like mentioned above, a chongo is supposed to be sort of like a hair bun, although I've heard it used to mean ponytail. In a few parts of latin america it means a hooker bar believe it or not! I've personally run across this usage.


Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo

-pacifico

Yes El Cabrio... and when an American Black is in So. Africa, they should follow local customs and move to the rear. Wrong is wrong no matter where you are. I'm sure that you feel that people should always stay with their own kind

You said 'if african americans go to Mexico and start fights or get into fights, there's going to be trouble'. Hell, if anyone goes to Mexico and starts fights there should be trouble. Who said that the black man in Iquanas started the fight? What he did was respond to being insulted in the lowest of ways.

And why would Rodney King have been killed in that bar? What the fuck did Rodney King ever do but get his ass kicked.

As far as Melvin is concerned... he was way out of line going into that bar and insulting people; and vandalising AB was a juvenile act.

But racism is fucked wherever you find it. And because it might be the cultural norm of ignorance doesn't make it any more acceptable.

I do not think palestinians get the red carpet in Isreal.

Rodney King violently resisted arrest. My remarks are not directed at african americans, they apply to anybody. If you go looking for trouble you tend to find it.

From the account I read above these guys got into confrontational and offensive behavior in the bar. Maybe that can be tolerated in the US. I do not think that sort of thing goes over well in Mexico.

My point is that everyone who visits any foreign country needs to know how to behave in THAT country.

HJ: WF there week after week. I think he is there in his hat with his fan night after night.

Westfargo,

The newspaper article was an alert and usefull information for most mongers. It was not meant to imply anything at all besides that fact that one person died. (You might have taken it more serious and infered it as a racist issue but thats you.)

On the other hand, New mongers shouldn't worry about what you think or do they should keep thier minds open and not worry about it.

In addition,I dont care what you or Melvin did over there. It satisfied you right? So what.

Valentino

Everybody,
Americans are the "Blacks" in Mexico as Melvin puts it. He is very educated and said, If the minorities just sit back and take the racist shit down there it'll get worse and worse. I 100% agree with him. I'm not Black, but I feel Black in Mexico. Melvin and I wouldn't vandelize anything in the US, yes there's racesium in the US but it's to some extent thanks to Rosa Parks, Johnson, MLK, Marlcom-X, all broke the laws and were considered criminals for doing so. Johnson didn't go to jail. But he didn't seek a 2nd term. In the Biograph of Johnson, he had more death threaths than any other president, also, the national guard was perminently posted outside of Washington and the Witehouse from 1965 - 1968. No they didn't vandalize white peoples property, they made them suffer indignaty by not doing what the white's wanted them to do. The Mexicans are a different type of people. We can't do a Rosa Parks in Mexico. When in Mexico you have to shift gears. They think we are the most cleanest people in the world. And Mexicans show their diskust for something by disrepecting it. ie(letting things just fall apart) They love to probe us tempt us, I've posted about this many many times. They want to know what it well take to make the world leaders break. And the only signal they know it to destroy everything you can when you go down there. ie(Watts riots, Chicago, New York) Many are oprotunistic, but our battle down there is about Racesim. And it doesn't do any good complaning to the athorities. If It's going to change, we have got to do it. Why? Because they arn't. If you can't do it for yourself, do it for the poor indians on the streets, or Melvin!!!!

Westfargo...

"Can't we all just get along?"

WF: I thought you were leaving this board???

There's racesium in the U.S.

Is that a new element? Is there any way it can be used as fuel to generate electricity?

I get it! If we break every heater, & toilet, in Mexico, racism will become a thing of the past. I don't see how I didn't see it before

Hey Westfargo,

"do it for the poor indians on the streets,..."

So now it's for the poor Indians on the street. You don't give a fuck about the poor Indians on the street. You've said it here before just like you've said that having sex with them is like with animals. Go find a sympathetic shoulder to cry on somewhere else. I thought you were leaving this board anyway.

You know, if you really wanted to fuck with AB in the summer you would not go after the heater.

Howard_Johnson,
Your right I HATE the fucking Indians on the streets. They left a beautiful, clean, safe, pleasent life in Central Mexico and they use their newly born children to pry on the rich Americans Simphy. But you average Mexican is at the root of their suffering. They won't put the parents in Jail for jeprodising and sacrofising their childrens lifes. The Amerincas are the trunk of the problem, we know we shouldn't give anybody money in TJ, ie(Whores, street kids etc.) anybody, but we do it anyway. So if I'm going to half to chose sides, I'm with the Indians.

But I hate them both!

El_cabrio,
You said, "My point is that everyone who visits any foreign country needs to know how to behave in THAT country." Your a little too logical. That sort of scares me. But I like it! I would replace the word "behave" with the word "operate" Most mongers behave themself quite well, and look at the trouble they cause.

I'm as stealth as a (Thief in the night) If all Americans acted like me in other countries. We Americans would get more respect then the Japoneese. Every monger would do his or her homework before entering any country. And we would leave the locals thinking. WOW! I wish I were as Graceful, Meek and masterful as those Americans are... WOOOOOWWWW!!!!

Westfargo...


Westfargo...

Westfargo,

God dammit your're right again. I think most of these guys have not been into central or southern Mexico. What to speak of south America, Burma or laos. They don't have a fuck'in clue. The Zone has a limited shelf life as we know it. Enjoy it while you can.

The fuckin almighty dollar is the fuckin bottom line. Fuckin duh?!

Mr. innocent

Once again you can talk all you want. It's all about money. Those who have plenty relly don't think much about these other things

Westfargo,
That's the best laugh I've had in a while.

Your ex-wife sounds like a real ignorrant bitch despite her degree. Key word ex, good move. They think they are going to take "their" land back and theirs nothing we can do about it.

Boy now I'm really worried.

They've got a very long line of native American Indians who've been royaly shafted to get in line behind. Why don't they try to open up Mexicano casinos and some of their Baja bucks back like that.

Oh I'm also a little confused. Do they get drunk first then mad or are most of them already mad and then get drunk. I'm sure, it really doesn't make a difference but I'm just curious.

This board is getting more intelectually stimulating and entertaining all the time.

Nobody really takes any of this seriously.
Do they?

Mr. Innocent

Actually, we didn't steal their land...they lost it in a war..fair and square. And true, I hear those words from Mestizo's all of the time. As if Hernan Cortes has nothing to do with their economic plight in Mexico. If Mexican's want to hate a certain culture, hate Spaniards.

Moreover, I'm tired of watching news in Mexico which blames the U.S. for the deaths of migrants attempting to cross the border. The blame for those deaths lies squarely within the Mexican government and the power elite's refusal to pay taxes in the face of a crumbling infrastructure and ever-expanding uneducated poor.

The wealthy Mexicans do not want publicly-funded higher education because to do so would create a hungrier and more competitive underclass whom would eventually become competition for the rich. And competition will force Mexico's elite to provide better products and services in whatever industry or service they are involved in. As much as many think that the labor class in Mexico is lazy, the rich are even lazier and contribute even less to the tax burden on a comparative basis. Problem is that the government has attempted to tax the rich before and they have pulled out all of their assets and money and placed them in American banks. 90% of their capital is already in Swiss and AMerican banks anyways. The government must freeze their accounts prior to asking for taxes. Sounds archaic but it's the only thing they can do.

If Mexico wants to see those potholes in the roads fixed or grants for educating the poor or even someone to pick up those decrepid dead dogs...then tax the rich. Those of us whom are professionals or business owners get taxed heavily in the U.S.....buy I dont care. Our streets our perfect, our police are better than anywhere in the world, our military is the best, and education is available to anyone. It is a country made up of rules...granted the tax base has created too much bureaucracy but all systems need fine-tuning.
Now let's all raise a glass in hopes that Vincente Fox and future administrations will recognize that the key to Mexico's success is to follow what the U.S. has done and use their vast natural resources as an asset.

The Conquistadores had it down man. They would come in baptize the indians and immediately after they would cut off their fucking heads so they would die in a state of grace.

Having had original sin washed away from their souls and not having the chance to commit any more sins they would go directly to their heavenly father for their eternal reward.

What a plan! Of course the Spaniards did not want the mabey few women or children who remained wandering aimlessly, to be bothered trying to carry all that heavy gold around.

So in another act of infinite mercy they took it all off their hands for them so they wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. At least it was quick.

The famous General Custer was not so magnanamous. In the course of securing a major treaty with with the native Americans he had US military prisoners deliver wagon loads of small pox infected blankets from Army hospitals to the indian families to "help" them get through the comming winter.

As the epidemic spread Geronimo, Crazy Horse and others figured out what had happened and at a place called Little big Horn Killed every last man and animal in Custers army. For you reference buffs you can find all the details in a book called Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee.

When I was a kid in history class we were told Custer was a hero. Instant karma's gonna get you.

Unless you change peoples consciousness nothing will change.

Land of the free and home of the brave. Fuckin snap out of it! I'm a Vietam vet and my opinion is what makes us so fucking great is that we've got more stuff and bigger guns. Don't get me wrong this is definitely the greatest country in the world but at some point you should take your head out of your ass look around and see why.

It's all about money man...

Mr Innocent

Westfargo said
Also, I was married to a Mexican gal for 8 years. Her mother called her fatso, stupid, pig, idiot, brownie, every name in the book.

She says, FUCK YO, you white ass American raciest that stoled OUR land. Go fuck yourself. Were taking back your land, and there's nothing you fucking White ass Americans can do about it.


And this is the guy who is handing out advice on how to live with Latin women. I reaffirm my posistion the the selection process is the key part element in living happily with a Latin women. Otherwise you end up a bitter ex-husband of a Latin women posting about what pieces of shit Mexicans are.

OUCH!!!

Everybody does know that Mexico closes down tonight at 12:00 midnight...right??? Due to the election no liquor will be sold in Mexico from midnight Friday night until Monday morning. All bars close at midnight tonight and reopen Monday morning. There will be some of the girls from AB and CC hanging out in front of their hotels as well as SGs, but no bars....SSSSUUUCCCKKKKKSSS, unless you have a favorita to spend the whole weekend with

I can't believe that. Please tell me it's not so. I have friends coming from LA today

Sorry, it's true. It's been on the Calendar (link at top of screen) for a LOOOONG time now. You'll still be able to find street girls if you're into that (not me) and some of the bar girls will be working the street, but most I talked to will be taking the weekend off. No alcohol will be served anywhere.

Well, you can always point them out to this website so they can experience the barscene vicariously.

Find one for the weekend. Since they cannot work the price should be lower.
HURRY look for one before the bars close!!

694me:

Not true.

"Since they cannot work the price should be lower"

I guess the locals had the same idea. A very well known club girl told me a local offered her 200 pesos while she was briefly outside Adelita on Saturday afternoon.

Ex-8939 According to Reytj the locals thinks so. If this is correct then maybe I am right since the locals know the scene better than you or I.

Hey 694me,

Rey said one of the locals made the offer, not that he succeeded. It's easy to make crazy comments on the street compared to being in the club.

You could also make the argument that because the clubs are closed there are fewer girls available (taking the streetgirls out of the equation) and they could even charge more.

My belief is that because the clubs are closed there are fewer girls and fewer customers, so the prices will stay the same.

Or better yet, because there's no ficha or dancing income, the chicas have to make it up in the room.

Although I didn't partake of an AB chicas, I know a guy who did, and he was given the standard quotes.

Well, there's been a hell of a lot of off-topic BS above, but here's one that is on:

"Las Magdalenas" and other News topics on Tijuana

This is the link to a 3.18.1999 story in the SDReader.com, City Lights section, on a Tijuana SG hookers' union. I don't know if the union is still active:

http://www.sdreader.com/php/cityshow.php3?id=C031899

If you search on City Lights' section, under Tijuana, or Mexico, you'll come up with quite a few other good articles, including one on the Libre taxis, which are a good deal cheaper than the yellow cabs (tho, not as economical as the collectivos).

Las Magdalenas were mentioned in the Tijuana press when Jessica was murdered at Hotel Irma. They called for increased security at the sg hotels.

They remain a small but well connected group. Their political/legal adviser is a respected human rights activist.

Reytj

While I'm sure the following would not be a popular move amongs us hobbyists, including myself, here's a suggestion as to how to reduce the danger:

The hobbyist presents a photo I.D. to the desk clerk, retrieving it afterwards, &/or,

Just as some hotels require the clerk to "buzz" you in, so they should have to do the same, for you to get out. The clerk should have to see the woman.

The first idea has rather obvious problems (fake ID, lack of confidentiality); one problem with the 2nd, is, if there is a fire, and the clerk takes off, without releasing us monkeys from our cage.

A better system needs to be implemented, and I am fairly certain, can be.

I've always just assumed that "a lot" of the clerks carry weapons, and that to mess with the women, and for the clerk or cleaners to find out, was courting death. Plus, while some thieves might SEEMINGLY deserve death, when I have had some time to calm down, I realize that even the theft of $70 (ie, some AB women, at their most thieving)(includes the room fee), don't deserve to die for it. Punishment, probably, but, that truly should be meted out by the justice system. No matter how very unlikely that is, esp. here in Mexico.

Do you know if the adviser is Victor Clark?

Thanks,

avisar2004@yahoo.com

Yes it is Victor Clark.

Reytj