My fav hints how her other "regulars" buy her gifts. I have given her perfume on two occassions in the past which was some time ago. I have been seeing her for a year now. I know she has a novio and since this summer I am now paying her her requested $100 per hour. She won't do all nighters with me and I wonder if she does with her other regulars although I doubt it because of her novio. I use to pay her a flat fee for the evening and now that I am paying her by the hour I have a problem in me "kneeling" down and buying her gifts because I feel if I start she'll expect it all the time. She also tells me that sometimes one of her regulars takes her out and has no sex. She said not long ago that all I want is sex, sex, sex, wherein I replied all you want is money, money, money and she replied how she likes money and I said I like sex. Gee, isn't that why we all go there? She already has me by the balls on the hourly rate and I feel if I buy her gifts (except for Xmas)it makes me feel like I am just kissing her ass all the more. Question for you veterans a Mexican putas - do you think for what little respect I do have in her eyes that it'll make me look just that more weaker if I start buying her gifts all the time?
She also likes to make me jealous by making comments about her other regulars and what they do for her (what they pay, etc.)

Seyhey, your fav is truly fuckin with your head. She is succeeding at twisting you around her pinky, like putty. This is not a flame or criticism toward you, it just reflects the kind of power she has over you.

I've had a variety of different chica "relationships" over my time in the zona, and my first fav was along the lines of yours. I paid $100 per hour for some of the best sex I'd ever had in my life. No holds barred cama action, anything went. I was totally infatuated with this chica. However, she never asked for gifts, never asked to go out (she let me do that), or made comments about any other clients, or how much I liked sex. She did invite me over to her place for sex, but it never happened because I moved on to other chicas.

How you spend your money is your business and $100 may be nothing to you. I could never criticize a monger for spending that for sex because it's still a good deal by American standards. However, newbies or relatively new mongers should know that a lot more time AND quality sex can be had for less money. Once you set a precedence with the rates, meeting her material expectations, etc..., it's hard to go back. I recommend taking up a chica for short time to see how you get a long, will she meet your needs, then get your own room next time. Only costs twelve more $ and there is no knock. And, if you hit it off, she may stay for more time for the same $$. Your success with this will of course depend on the chica, the bar, day and time of the week, etc...

As far as the gifts go, if she really does value your time together as friends, I would save the bigger gifts for XMas or birthday or infrequently, if you're into buying gifts at all. Little things like a rose, snacks she likes, maybe her favorite drink waiting for her in the room, etc...would be meaningful to her if she really cared about you and valued these sort of gifts that showed consideration for her and that she's special. But it sounds like she has her hand out for anything she can get from you and other clients and she is probably playin the others the same way. She is a fav and you pay her for sex, you don't need the manipulation you seem to be getting. Rick Feliz and SrikeEagle have posted about how they get clear with their favs, create a mutually beneficial relationship, and then throw in goodies to crank it up a notch. Your fav is milkin you for everything she can get, showin you no respect IMHO. If it were me, I drop her like a bad habit.

Since my first fav, I've had a couple zona novias or at least whirlwind romances where the sex was unpaid for, and a couple other freebies on top of that. My point is not to brag but to say that it really woke me up about zona chicas. Everything from what they told me about their clients and what they REALLY thought of them, to how much these chicas make without the gifts, to how much guys are really blinded by hired sex and their misunderstanding as to what is really going on. That's not to say that the sex isn't great, but don't confuse sex with a chica's love or affection for you. You leave and the next guy steps up to the plate.

If you truly want to step up your relationship with your fav, you will need to take her out if that's what she wants. The problem with this scenario is that other regulars are doing it also and she's come to accept this as a matter of course and has the balls (panoche?) to ask for it and play you against her other clients. She's upping the ante and will let you know if you don't step up to meet it. You're in a tough position and only you will know what to do given the vibe. If it were me, I'd blow her off. If you're in love, you're in for a hard fall. If you could hear her talk to her amigas, you'd be amazed. Good luck.

Celtics

Celtics, yeah she admits, since I found out she has a novio, that she is playing one particular gentleman the same. Telling him (and me before) that we're just friends. Well, being the pro she i.s she knows that most men like a challenge. She even laughed when she said he loved her too.

I just love sex with her so I'll keep seeing her.
We'll see how she reacts when I tell her there is no way I am going to pay her what I pay her for sex if we go out.

Thanks for your input.

Sayhey...don't let a chica play you for a fool, and don't be suckered. If I were you I would seek the advice of some veteran mongers on this matter, in particular escalaras (Lakers)...he has a good sense of how to respond to chicas who try to "play" mongers...in fact he turns it around on the chicas!
But anyways...I know how it feels to care for a favorita and want to make her happy...but just be careful not to get used for your wallet brother.

Sayhey
In the latina culture if a women does not respect you you are nothing.Hey sayhey you are nothing to this girl, wake up.Besides paying those prices are hurting the rest of us who want to do her.

Specific, I know I am nothing to her. I came to that realization about 3 months ago. As she told me ...it's just about the money...." Of course, that was after I found out about her novio.

That's my point - if I start kissing her ass and start giving her gifts on a regular basis and taking her out I believe she will lose the little respect she might havefor me. Quite frankly, I don't think she has much respect for anyone. She even laughs about her novio (whether it's genuine or not who knows). About the price - hey I have talked to other chicas and they want $100 an hour also. If they get $50 a shot for a half hour then isn't $100 an hour about right? Help me out with this one.

Sayhey
Price is proportional to time but at a lower cost as time increases.
If 1/2 hr = $50, then 1 hr = $80.
Also if your fav liked you, it would be more like $50 for 40-45 mn.

Brother SayHey,
Do whatcha wanna do, my brother. It sounds like you don't have any illusions about what's goin' on. As to the price stuff, these discussions have gone on and on and on and on and on and on on RS before this--there are always gonna be guys who will give you a hard time for 'payin' too much' or whatever. (aside to Bro. PMan: I respectfully disagree when you give what look like hard fast rules as to what proper rates are--all of this depends on too many factors (like the time/day, quality of the chica, cards beyond money the monger holds like looks, personality, etc.) for there to be some magical equation that always works--but you already know all this, my brother). Bottom line is DO WHATCHA WANNA DO, in my ever so humble little old opinion. Long as you're OK with her attitude and what you're spendin', then you ain't got nothin' to answer for in my book.

Brother Spec, c'mon, bro, why are you so concerned about what others are payin', if they're happy with that? Lighten up, brother, ain't nobody tryin' to price you out of the market, and there'll always be options in TJ that even the poorest American mongers can afford. If the dude were unhappy with the idea that he's payin' too much, that's one thing, and your complaining about his spending might be well-placed--but I don't get that impression from Brother SH. Maybe I'm wrong. Brother SH, there are guys here who are experts on negotiation--my advice is, if by any chance the price thing IS an issue for you, listen to what those dudes have to say--and they have LOTS to say on this, a good bit of it enlightening. But if hagglin' ain't really your thang (as it for the most part ain't mine), then just ENJOY THE RIDE and don't sweat the details.

The price should drop substantially as more time is spent. I tell my Chica's hey were only going to fuck once,and most of the time thats true. They will gladly go for more time because many times they are just standing around anyway.
1/2 hour 50.00, 1 hour 80.00, 2 hr 120.00 to 140.00,negotiate,they expect it.
I've done extended sessions with a couple of Chica's that trusted me and I didn't even mention price till after the session,when I asked them what they thought was fair, both times they left it up to me. Pman is dead on. Make it fair to them or they won't do it again,also tell them that you want a good discount so you can continue to do this.
One told me once,50.00 for a half hour,I saw her next week and asked what an hour would cost,she said,110.00, I said how about 80.00,she said OK,THAT WAS IT.

Brother SP,
This subject has been discussed to DEATH on RS in the past, and there has never been agreement on it--no offense if you've missed the particulars there, but getting price dropoffs for longer sessions depends on lots of things like the QUALITY of the chica, the time and day you're in the bar, the amount of time you're able to spend there negotiating and getting girls to know who you are, whether or not you've got other things to bargain with like youth, looks, nice shiny white teeth, whatever. You may be one of those guys who spends lots of time there because you're local and so don't have to be concerned about the timing details, other guys don't have it so good. In my view, General Rules almost NEVER apply here--except one: YMMV.

BROTHER MONGERS
I have been a sucker and have paid MORE than brother Sayhey at one point.I am only trying to save him some of the heartache that I have had.I am a older monger and believe me when I say that money is no longer the issue for me.It is just that I have leaned that all these girls look at us as just walking wallets.Only one monger that I know of has ever really had anything more.It is these chicas jobs to get what they can from us.It seems Sayhey is asking for help,I am giving him the best advise I can for his situation.

Brother Spec,
I hear ya, bro, and appreciate your concern--just seems less obvious to me that Bro. SayHey is askin' for help (yet!). Again, maybe *I'm* misreadin' him. The advice is free, so he can take it or leave it as he sees fit. Good luck to ya, btw, my brother SH--I too know what it's like to be under the spell of one a them TJ girlies--can't get rough if ya ain't payin' close attention to what's really going down. Btw, Brother Spec, like the fact that you used "Brothers" to address us--I swear, my goal is to have EVERYMUTHAFUCKINBODY usin' that style before I'm done!

Peace out, my brothers, much love, much love!
El Brother Ritmo

Thanks for all your input guys. I think I am going to just spend less time with her and we'll see how she adjusts to that. I will just tell her that if she wants to go out it'll not be for what I pay her in the room, period and I never will pay that kinda money for just partying.

Thanks again and maybe I'll run into one of you this weekend.

Brothers,
Should be "can get rough" in my last message--sleepy day...

Sayhey, do what ya want to do with the gifts, but its a gift which implys that it should be your choice as to weather you want to give her something or not, if she demands or hints at this kind of stuff, she is not loooking for a gift she is demanding a bribe of sorts, i hate it when women give hints, you should tell her do you want money for the session or gidts, give her a choice, i bet she will go for the cash. One thing i hate more then anything is anyone asking me for things, if i like ya or want to give ya something or i see that you are in need, i will give it to ya because i am a nice enough guy, but when they give me hints or ask me for things, it just makes me not want to get them anything, rule of thumb, don;t ask me for what ya need, i already know what ya want, i am like a santa, i know when ya been good and when ya been bad. By the way sayhey, spend a hour, teo at most, and then spend the rest of the money on other chicas, i bet there are other chicas who are just as good as your woman in bed, you just have to go around and search for it, hell maybe that will show ya girl, she can;t have it her way

Well guys I am back to the flat fee. Walked into AB this past Sat. night and motioned to a very gorgeous chica tocome over and sit down. Her English wasn't good so I got one of the chicas to translate. Told her I'd pay her so much for an all nighter and she agreed. She was getting off work at 9p.m. So, I told her I would probably be back. Anyway, I proceeded a few minutes later tomeet my fav. I told her about my opportunity and I told her that I'd rather be with her, but I can't put up with the steep hourly fee anymore.
She said "let's go to the room and talk". So I am back tothe flat fee. It didn't take much, only that I would have given up my fav for this other gorgeous creature. Being my fav had such a change of heart I even took her to dinner and bought her a little something she wanted. WOWWWWW!!! Back again next Thanksgiving!!!

I prefer it when a chica says to me, "Lets go to the room and fuck!" Well, I guess talking was the important thing at that point, as long as it was followed by some serious making up! Anyway, good strategy. The impending all-nighter with the gorgeous chica was a good move, especially since you weren't bluffing.

I remember once, after sex and many deep besos, the chica I was with looked up into my eyes and said she didn't want me to see any other chicas. So I told her I didn't want her to see any other hombres. She laughed and said, "All right...you can see other chicas." I had to suppress a "YES!". Of course, I would have anyway!

Celtics

In my younger years I used to give many gifts, I gave Radio's, Bedspreads, CD's, Clothes, Etc. Until my dad and brothers set me straight. They kept telling me the gals only sell the stuff, or traded it for stuff they want. They did have a point, I never saw the gals with the stuff. Until about 12 years ago I was fucking a Marysol in the LongBar. I REALY liked her, I just only wanted her to accept me. I bought her lots of nice shit. Until I went to her friends house and I saw my bed sheet on her kitchen table with stains all over it. It costed a fortun, it's was duck down. It had been cut up with been stains and shit all over it. Lisa said Marysol my girlfriend sold it to her for $10 bucks. The set costed me $300 two months before. A few days later I went to Marysol's apartment, I was so mad. She said, I'm sorry I'm going back to Culican I need the money. And then I noticed my CD player I gave her. I was so grose, all smashed up not working. It's costed me $195, 6 months before. Everything was just destroyed. There was a lot of other shit too. They just destroy everything. I haven't given them anything worth anything in 12 years. However, I do go to the 99 cents store and pick-up little shitty stuff, like gloves, if I really like the gal. 99 cents can get you a free all nighter...

Westfargo...

Westfargo,

You crack me up, 99 cents for an all nighter?? Ya right, dream on. What's the tip, a dime? Ah, you probably go to sleep right away doncha?

Good luck, you're a character.

ldv

La_dulce_vida,

Ya don't fuck them for 99 cents. Thats part of the amount I've invested to fuck them for free. Sometimes I have to promise them a tip. You can do it! There's a little gal named "Lisa" and 5'0 tall veracruze gal that stands two blocks down from the Las Palmas hotel on 1st street. I've fucked her for free all night long and have turned her on to some friends of mine. She'll kiss and fuck you like a girlfriend, and she's clean too. Ask to see her health card. Ya can't miss her, she's BLOND with a perfect personality. Her friends are real cute, but pieces of shitts. Don't go with them, unless ya whant to waist $10...

Westfargo...

Westfargo,

Who, you are funny. hey that's a good idea though, about the 99 cent gifts. those girls don't deserve a gift that's worth more then 99 cents. hey how do you do it? how do you get a free all nighter for 99 cents and a tip? can you talk about it more? in more detail? I'm not cheap or anything, I just want to try it for fun.

Careful of the young 20 something American who is really pissed off that any customer would ever give something to a (street) prostitute. He approached me in front of the Najera Hotel on main steet around noon. Read me the riot act and was very upset. Tried to convert me right on the spot while I was dealing w/ Sg Biatriz. Whacko-Jacko. Tull. Adelita.