... I think that's how you spell it. She also might have said her name was Lubriel.

She fairly tall, brown hair w/some blond streaks, Stands in hottie central. Very beautiful but probably the worst lay, no make that, the worst lay I've experienced any club in TJ. She says she's only been in TJ for about three months. Promised BBBJ, great fuck, and long massage, but delivered covered BJ, which she would then stop evey few seconds and spit on the floor - not very sexy. Ended up only letting me fuck her perrito, then gave me the lamest massage I've every experienced. She asked for a propina but I laughed at her. She didn't care and said she would have no problems getting others to the room. This bitch has got to go! … (prog)

By the way - this girl was dumb enough to let Epimetheus take her picture. As soon as we can get it digitized I will post here... (prog)

Progman
The name of the lady you are referring to is "LIVIER". The spitting on the floor makes me certain of that. I would never have known how to spell her name without asking her to write it out for me. She has been working at the Adelita Bar for at least two years. I consider Livier to be among the most beautiful AB girls. I have been with this beauty from Guadalajara a few times and although my experience with her is better than yours, she is definitely is capable of a cold session.

JR

Jrsx,

Cold session? That's the understatement of the year. This girl was worthless! Just goes to show that the most beautiful girls can be the worst. As soon as she started with her bullshit I made it a point to finish fucking her (why not, great body) but getting the hell away from her... You say you had a better session? Anything would have been better than what this chick provided. The last straw was when she snickered and said she can get any guy she wanted and for any price. She needs to be put in her place... IMHO (prog)

Here is a classic case of YMMV. I first met Livier on a Sunday afternoon in August, 2000 when she had only been in TJ a few months. I was struck by just how beautiful the gal was - a true trophy.

We, for some reason, hit it off quite well in the bar which led to an hour long session upstairs. She didn't speak much English at that time but my Spanish isn't too bad so we were able to communicate reasonably well.

That session, like the other two that followed over the next year, was not bad. A decent BBBJ followed by multi-position sexo, usually finishing off missionary style. There was none of the spitting reported above. I suspect that was a result of the BJ being uncovered.

I took her out for dinner after that first session and got to know her a little better. That had to have helped the quality of the sessions that followed.

I saw her at AB back in August and exchanged pleasantries but wasn't inclined to do another session (newer fish to fry). She was a little "hurt" that I didn't want to go upstairs with her.

She is really a very, very pretty chica. Sounds like the quality of a session with her can range from pretty good (like I had) to not so hot (like reported above). Go figure...

ECJuan

Progman
Livier can be a real bitch.I did her too and the spitting on the floor makes me know we are talking about the same girl.After she did that with me I asked her what the hell was that.She told me she did not like to give BJ,s.I said OK forget it.We talked alittle bit in bed than she became a great lay.Three positions and she let me continue after the knock with me finishing perrito.I would not repeat or really reccommend because she is worse than no BJ(that spitting can really turn you off)but she is beautiful.

Met Livier of Guadaljara early Saturday evening between main bar and dance floor. Brunette with many blond streaks plus pretty face and can wear a pair of jeans (nice ass). While discussing session particulars, I heard 50/everything. Livier explained that boca everywhere was part of the service.
Was it my poor Spanish or her poor English but 50 became 60 in the room. It was cash up front ("no money, no honey"). Good covered BJ for several minutes, some sucking on those huge fake C's and began in doggie followed by cowgirl and missionary. All 3 positions were good.
It is amazing that previous posts mentioned spitting on the floor during BJ ... a year later and nothing has changed!
Sink clean-up and a request for a "teep" followed. I caved for a small tip. I thought the session could have been more GFE since I was the last date of her day shift.
What pisses me off is that mechanical sexo and negotiating everything in advance is expected with a SG but a bargirl should exude more warmth (and honesty). Will not repeat.

"I caved for a small tip"

...Sucker! Personaly, I would have bolted after that sudden price increase.

BTW, was this chica really load when having sex? I am pretty sure I've been with her before.


-snapper-

Rodney let me get this straight...she raised the price for her services once in the room and then you gave her a tip on top of that??

If this is the case I would have to agree with Snapper ... Sucker!!

I would have held to the agreed upon price or bolted if she insisted on the price increase. I also would have laughed in her face when she asked for a tip.

Why worry about diplomacy if you don't plan on repeating.

Rodney
It's ok to give a tip afterwards if the chica puts out and give you bbbj and rimming. Otherwise forget it... I don't give tips no matter what as I expect customer service, $50 is a lot of money escpecially with current economy.

Fully Agreed Athos.
Fuck these greedy Bitches.
You set the price at 50 in the bar.
These girls are not stupid they know exactly what they are doing.
As soon as she said 60 you should have said 40 and left the room got a credit and found yourself another chica.
And Teep ?
This is the reason why these Adelita chicas will always love gringos , a local would have told her to go fuck herself after getting fucked over for another 10 fucks.

Don't take these responses as a knock but use them as a learning tool for your next trip
Good Luck friend

Milky

Alright guys, you're right, maybe I am a sucker. LOL
In my own defense let me say 2 things.
First, bolting out of the room and going back down and finding another chica wasn't really an option since it was getting late and I had to be back near the border before 9PM to make my medical prescription (=hypertension pills) purchases at Casteneda (I had already been there at 7PM and they were holding them).
Second, everything you guys said makes perfect sense now but when those fake 36CC's are looking right at you, sometimes its worth an extra 10dollars to get one last peek!

Rodney: Agreed...Monday Morning Quarterbacks have all the answers, but when you are in the trenches the fog of war tends to take over and you find yourself making decisions on the fly...

In general, being close-quarters in a room with a hot young chica is never going to be conducive to rational thought processes...

I have made similar "mistakes" and imagine I will continue making them...Oh fetching well!...

YoungBrig

There is a word for people that don't learn from their mistakes and continue to make the same ones over and over ........VICTIM !

Don't be a victim Rodney. Learn from your mistakes. Understand you are in charge when you are paying for services.

The one thing that this woman has learned from your encounter is that she can change the deal on you once in the room and still get paid a tip. You may never repeat again with her, but the chica grapevine is efficient and others will know about your mistake.

I was in TJ this Saturday. I had a session with 2 different chicas. Each one gave me BBBJ without my asking. Neither chica asked me for a tip and neither received one. What each did receive was my praise for a job well done, my promise to see them again when I'm in TJ and my assurance that I would let me friends know that I recommend them highly.

Each chica was happy with this. One even said, "better service equals more clients". She guaranteed that I would be happy with her services and she was damn right!

IMHO any chica that asks for a tip is a chica that doesn't deserve one !!

Rodney was this Livier wearing a green top on Saturday ? Does she have braces ?

AtomicDog, yes Livier was wearing a light green short-sleeve cotton top with some message written in white across the front (also wore blue jeans). Don't remember getting a close look for possible braces, but that may explain the spitting during the BJ.
Overall made a stunning appearance.
VICTIM huh? Sounds like you have been reading too much of those self-improvement psychology books by author Dr Wayne Dyer. You know, books like "Pulling Your Own Strings" and "Your Erroneous Zones" that talk about useless emotions like worry and guilt.
VICTIMIZATION is an erroneous zone. TITILLATION is an erogenous zone.
It's a short line between the two!

PS Here's another one for you.
MANANA means tomorrow
PAJAMA means tonight!!

Ok Rodney, I know the one that you are talking about (Livier). She stopped and tried to interest me in her services. I thought that she was really attractive, but her butt was a little small for my taste at that moment.

No, I haven't read any self improvement psychology books. I have done a lot of living and learning from my mistakes. I may check out Livier on my next trip down to TJ. It will be interesting to see if she tries to change the deal in the room. If she tries it she's in for a rude awakening.

I understand your situation with the time limitations that you when dealing with. The victim statement wasn't directed at you. It was just a general reference to people that don't learn from their mistakes.

If Livier's real issue is that she doesn't like to give BJs I can skip that appetizer and dive into the main course.

This is from my trip notes dated June 30, 2002. I'm pretty sure this is the same chica, so...

OK, My memory is a little fuzzy on the non-important details about this chica(like her age, where she's from, and if she has any kids). I don't even think I got the name right. I had a real hard time understanding her when she said her name to me. What is posted about Livier seems to fit the description, but the name she gave me didn't sound even close to that when I asked her. Then again I had to try and hear her over that shitty norteno music.

When we got to the desk to get a room and one of her friends was there and got put in a room right across the hall from us. This is kinda funny because during our session Labriella got pretty loud. Her friend across the hall yelled something making fun of her. Labriella yells back to her to shut up and goes right back to being "Lassie" from the Porky's movie.

Here is a better description of Labriella: Huh... she's like, Mexican(just kidding). Fake tits that left kinda bad scars around her nipples(IMO). She stands about 5'5" with a good build(not thick at all). One feature that really stands out about this chica is that she wares braces(on her teeth, not her legs).

She gave an OK BJ, but had to keep spitting off to the side of the bed. She asked me if I wanted her to keep blowing me, but the spitting kinda ruined it. Sex was good. She seemed to really be into it.

Her hygiene lacked a little bit though. Just a short rub with the towel. She told me she was done working for the night and went to her room, so maybe she cleaned better there. I was surprised she stopped working so early. It was only like 6 O'clock.


-snapper-

I can't believe this chica still has a following of guys. Two other buddies took her to the room and had similar experiences as I had... What a waste of an incredible body!

...(prog)

BTW, in my little report I refer to Livier as Labriella. That is what I thought she said her name was but couldn't hear her well over the noise.

This session was ok, but I highly doubt I would repeat.

Also she didn't try to fuck me out money. I guess that just goes to show how well these girl can read people(she probably knew she had no chance of scamming money out of me).


Youngbrig, as far as the Monday Morning Quarterback comment goes I'm not claiming that I haven't ever been suckered. I'm just saying that now I have a zero tolerance policy towards certain things these chicas try to pull. If you read my "Gordalitas" post in the corner that is what started me with this somewhat hard-ass policy. I just trying to say we don't need to put up with that kind of shit.


-snapper-

Damn, If I had only read all this yesterday! Let me share my similiar experience with this lady. IMO, this beauty needs a good betting to adjust her attitude. After scouting around Adelitas and Chicago Club last night (about 7:00 PM) I couldn't really decide on what lady to go with. Some nice looking ones followed me around and insisted, but I declined most of them. I was just about to finish my last beer and call it an unsuccessfull night, when suddenly, I saw her. I was in the mood at the moment for a dark lady with african-american looks, and this lady filled the bill perfectly. When talking to her, I did detect some attitude,but I was just so impressed with her pertty and exotic face, and great body. She told me 60 y said 40 right here, right now. She agreed and we proceeded to the hotel. Once upstairs, TWIGHLIGHT ZONE, she became the motherfuckerest bitch, bitching about everything, she didn't even want to take her shirt of completely because "it ruined her make-up", Anywho's, "mini-me" was eager to park the pink caddy, so I got into her bitchy game, and fucked her doggy style, the only positive reaction I got from her was that she yelled and screamed like a monkey when I was popping her. Afterwards, she asked for a "teep" I told her to go fuck herself, she took I sink-bath and left the room. I was so mad, I also told the cleaning boy to also go fuck himself with his "teep". Por bastard, he's only doing his job. I consider this as an experience, and I feel I took this one for the guys, WARNING: DON'T GO CLOSE TO THIS LADY, SHE IS A TOTAL RIP-OFF, I just only hope I can get this message out in time to most of you, my hobby brothers.

You sure it was Livier? The Livier I know does not have African-american features. Did this chica spit during BJ session?

...(prog)

Progman, I am sure after reading all the comments that this is the one and only Livier. To me, she has exotic looks, has dark skin, african-american?? Maybe not. But brazilian, exotic, ebony beauty, yes. She ain't no whitey, thats for sure.

Also, she had braces. Spits? She didn't want to BJ me. I am not the forcefull type so like I said on my previous post, I just played her and did her doggy style.

HEED THE WARNINGS----
SHE IS A WASTE OF TIME, A RIP-OFF, LAME IN BED, BITCHASS ATTITUDE IN THE ROOM.
The spitting on the floor once again was the thing that i remembered the most, almost got out of the mood. The braces also......
She was clean, nice chi-chi's, but the spitting... even an experienced monger gets taken once in a while.....
NEVER AGAIN
Slick

Photo link added to top

Here is a more up to date photo.

Photo: Livier

Admin, both photo links at the top go to the same photo.

Before I wasn't 100% sure that the posts I made(back in August, 2002) were of this same chica, but after checking the photo link provided by jrsx I am certian.

Anyway, I think this chica may be retired now.



(Message edited by snapper on December 26, 2003)

Livier was at AB the last time I was there about 2 weeks ago. She was with her younger sister who she brought up from Guadalajara. I can't remember her sister's name.

So, how is she, without the BJ, for $40 or 50, on a slow night?

avisar2004@yahoo.com

I finally recognized this girl from the recent photo posted. I had seen her, but never really paid much attention to her. On closer inspection, I agree she is attractive.

I agree with Masterater as far as the exotic look. I can see how she might be described as possibly being African American. The Jrsx photo is very accurate and makes her easy to identify.

Agree w/ Prog...what a waste.

Oh, and I saw her hanging w/ Laura and Alexa from Colima. Alexa is new and could possibly be the sister. Laura is not new.

I recently found out there are two sisters, I've added threads for both with a review of one. Their names are Salma and Joalyn. Salma is the tallest and has long dark brown hair to mid back with blond highlights starting from ear level to the ends. She also has a smaller chest. Joalyn would probably be considered the prettiest of the three by most guys with a nice face and body combination.

I'm working on these three as my third triple, the first being Rebecca-Ximena-Erica and the second Monserat-Britney-Fernanda.

I had a pretty nice time with livier. She gave me bbbj and some nice dfk. I have some real nice pics of rebecca if anybody want's to see them e-mail me at sandiego23@hotmail.com. please let me know how to post them on here and I will.

Hmmm ... you weren't born yesterday, were you?

PS: just ask Hombre here to help you with your uploads. I don't everyone here wants to send you an email so you can sell their addresses to some spammer.

She offered me a two-for-one with a friend of hers who was standing nearby. I wonder if one of them was her sister?

From the way Livier acts down in the bar, you'd think she'd be a lot of fun upstairs as well. It's a shame to hear that she goes cold in the room.

Some pics look nothing like the chica such as Ariel AB and
Jesse (suppossed cousin Of Deyanira) CC

but upon seeing Jsrx's pic just now I instantly recognize this chica

How time changes a chica

She can no longer have any guy she wants as she has approached me twice and both times although I find her attractive with big boobs, I said no both times in 2004 as in her jeans I was unsure of how her gut /butt would look naked. Seems she is a bit bigger than I like so if she had a small butt in 2002 for Atomic dog she no longer does.

Also I am not into Afro americans in the least bit and see no Afro American in this girl.

To me she also looked on the older side of the normal AB hottie.

I happened across this Livier pic and thread after checking Conman24's other posts after reading his post on Abigal -Cabo.

Photo: Livier - Guadalajara 03

Livier has made the move to Hong Kong. I'm not sure if she's using the same name or a different one yet.

This bitch is older than my great grandmother.

Livier is back again after being gone since October.