Does anybody knows chica who could cross the
border to US side legally.

Tania AB does. I was supposed to spend the weekend with her in La Jolla about two years ago
but I actually had to cancel and could never get her interest again.

Also Stephanie/ Valaria can go North. She also goes South quite well too LOL.

Many chicas have visa. all it take is money in Mexico. For chica it is like status thing even if they don't use visa.

regards,
fig

"all it take is money in Mexico"

Actually it is the US who issues the visa so it takes more than money. I think what the deciding factor is whether or not the Mexican can convince the US immigration official that they will return to Mexico. A Mexican who has a passport and owns property and/or has a good job can probably get a visa. A 20 something hooker who lives in a zona norte hotel - probably not.

I know two ex-AB girls who have passports and visas and have brought them to San Diego. Both of them own condos in TJ, in fact, both of them own two condos, live in one and rent the other. Both have left the bar scene and have a circle of "friends" like myself that have their phone numbers. I guess I'm attracted to the older, smarter pros.

However I still go to AB and CC and "interview" members of the younger generation frequently. :-)

While true that a VISA is issued by the US State Department, actually, (at least in the past, before 9/11) all it did take was money.

When I was looking at this a couple of years ago it was possible to purchase the documents needed to present to the US Consulate to show what a fine upstanding citizen of Mexico a person was for about $3,000. As part of the deal they "guaranteed" that the documents would get you a VISA, or your money back!

These were real, actual documents issued by the proper Mexican authorities, showing land ownership, job history, etc.

I know at least one chica went that route and got her VISA.

Fake VISAs were also available, but that is way to risky, IMHO.

More gals than you suspect have VISAs. I know at least a couple working at the clubs who are living in the U.S.!

As few seem to know this Curious you are right. One chica told me a real visa cost her around $2000. This is common knowledge amongst chicas. Sept 11 changed rules I hope.

Regards,
Fig

Fig, Curious, of course you guys are right. I keep making the mistake of assuming people follow the rules. Fig, I thought you were saying people could buy the visa in Mex. I didn't consider you could buy the docs that will lead to a visa. Apologize for the misunderstanding. I should give people more credit I guess.

Unfortunately, this list is obsolete. All of the Visas expired on Oct. 1 and if they did not renew them months ago, they would not be able to get across

If all Visas expired on Oct 1, there are going to be a lot of unhappy people when they try to make a purchase with their credit cards. Now, there were about two to three million of the special limited border crossing cards that expired, and were supposed to be replaced by the Laser (or Lazer?) visa (no capitalization). These cards only allowed the holder to travel a short distance into the USA, I believe 25 miles, and they could only be here for a short time. All other visas are still valid up until their expiration date.

OK, you were right - what I meant to say was that all American Express expired on Sept. 11. That is why it now takes longer to get back to the U.S. since no American Express is available.

Seriously, my only point was that many of these chicas may actually have had the border crossing cards that expired.

It was the "old style" border crossing VISAs that expired. They have had months of notice that they needed to be replaced with the newer version.

Are you saying more than a million people did NOT replace their VISAs on time?

Just
Curious

So far the selection is limited to:
Tania, the famous one at AB?
Stephanie/Valeria from what club?

Anybody else?

Curious: the estimate was 3 million Mexicans did not renew their visas. Some were dead, had other visas, moved to US or some other reason. For TJ the estimate was that there were less than 1 million old visas that could have been converted to new ones. On the given date there were very few people turned back due to the lack of a visa.

1. Blonde bombshell dancer Jessica AB.
2. Short hair "butter chick" (anything BUT her face) Diana AB with big ass tits. She has an Australian gf living in San Ysidro...so that's two for the price of one.
3. Retired Ximena AB.
4. Braces Liliana CC lives in both San Ysidro and TJ Playas. Sister of non-dancer Osiris and Janet.
5. Babydoll Mahogany AB.

6. Once they apply for a health card to work as a sex worker, they can't get a VIZZZZZZA.
7. It's fun to go bag them, but I don't think it would be such a good idea to bring whore to your backyard.

"Once they apply for a health card to work as a sex worker, they can't get a VIZZZZZZA. "

This is an assumption, not a fact.

There are many ways around the health card issue, but the FACT is that IF the U.S. discovers she has a health card they won't issue a VISA.

By law they CANNOT issue a VISA to someone who has worked as a prostitute within the past 10 years. No if's, and's or but's.

BUT... what if it's in a different name, or in a completely different city from where she applies for the VISA (in Mexico the cards are issued locally, and are NOT cataloged nationally), or they don't even check to see if she has one, or....

Now, she WILL have to lie - cause on the form she signs (and swears is the truth) she will answer a question asking if she has ever worked in prostitution.

Here comes the health card issue again. Simply having a health card will have absolutely no effect on receiving a US visa. Yes, the girl will have to lie, and she certainly should not be stupid enough to have the health card on her, but otherwise it is not a problem. Per both a doctor and another worker at SMM, where the girls get their health card inspections, the US government has no ability to check on health cards. Even the Mexican police have to have a warrant to look at a girl's records.

Curious:

Could you tell us about the process by which the US government determines whether a chica has received a Health card?

Sakebomb, if Ximena has a US visa is that mean
that her sister Rebecca has one too? Wouldn't
mind taking Rebecca to Las Big ass for happy
joy, joy if she can cross the border legally?

The consulate does have the ability and they do check for health cards and will exclude anyone having a health card from getting a visa.

Too bad Ximena is retired, but wait if Ximena has
a US Visa therefore her sister Rebecca should be
able to cross the border into US side. I would
settle for Rebecca to take her to Las Big ass
for happy joy joy. Any spoting of Rebecca lately
anyone?

Ahora007:

Oh, really?

Ahora007, if that is true, what is the process? The doctor told one person I know flat out that this was not possible, and another person who works there (nurse, clerk, I don't know) said the same to another girl.

It is possible and they have access to the actuqal database. You dont think that all the working girls getting turned away are getting turned away because they gave up the information voluntarily? The girls like to beleive what they want and also if a doctor or anyone said that it may be because they really want these girls to gt checked out and registered

My own theory is some how there's that thing "scratch my crotch and I'll scratch yours" sex for
visa thing.

Ahora, if that is true, then how do you explain all the working girls that DO get U.S. visas?

Alot of the girls that have visas either don't have cards, have cards in false names or have gotten visas before they got their cards.

Sakebomb-" ...to bring a [working girl] to your backyard." Well, if you have a pool or a bar-ba-que going, I see no reason for not inviting 'em all over.

I can't believe we're listing girls that have visas.

I do remember some lovely telling me she had a visa and mentioning that she'd like to visit me. I live in hotel rooms and top-secret installations, here and in Mexico. I am sorry that I can't have her up for a visit. I go to some great parties in LA and SF. But, since I am not allowed to tell anyone where I'll be, it is impossible to extend an invitation. I wish I could invite my favs to party with the beautiful young people I know. I do love them so.

Gents, it's tough, but I have to go for the non-pros. Odd concept: I flirt with them, engage them in conversation or play, more flirtation and ... well, it's kinda hard to explain. It just happens -sometimes.

Please, let's remain discrete. Ahora007, you are a prince. And, that WestFargo guy ...bravo! Oh, and ...Tmoney, you have just got to love that guy.

And yet one more reincarnation arrives!

Taxibob, roger that.

"I live in hotel rooms and top-secret installations, here and in Mexico."

hehehehe, that's funny.

Tell me Spurt, what's it like living in a "top-secret installation". Pretty cool that ya tell everybody on the World Wide Web about it. Oh yeah, I forgot, you're anonymous. Oh man, you crack me up.

Hey, you guys that are monitoring Internet traffic, I'm sure the string "top-secret" set off the buzzer. Who is this guy?

Actually there are systems that monitor Internet traffic and look for keywords. I don't know what percentage is analyzed but I bet it's bigger now than it was on 911 and I imagine every packet can be traced back to the geographic location of the keyboard.

First, let me say that I know of at least one case where a chica was denied a VISA because they DID discover she had a health card. She argued she only worked as a dancer, but they still denied her a VISA. AND once she is in the U.S. computers as having a health card, she is out of luck. Period.

In some cases I have known of the Consulate asking the local police department for information about a chica. In one case a chica was required to get a letter from her local police chief stating that she was of fine moral character.

Bottom line, I know that they can check, and in at least some cases they have done so. Ahora007 speaks from solid knowledge on this topic.

Many gals have used fake names in La Zona, and that is what is on their health card. I knew one gal who had three complete seperate identities, all of which I eventually saw myself - one she used in La Zona (drivers license, health card, voter card); one she used for traveling and sometimes in her home town (drivers license, voters card, and passport); and a third she used for her VISA (drivers license, voter card, passport, and VISA).

By the time she was done I had no idea what her "real" name was!

Ahora007, what database are you referring to? Where is it located, and who enters the info? I don't think that the people at the clinic were lying, so that would have to mean that the information was available from a source other than them. Any clue who that would be?

Curious, you say that you know someone who was denied a visa. Were you actually with her when it happened, or did she or someone else tell you about it? Do you know how the health card was discovered? Was she applying in TJ, or where?

Curious, one other question. Was her health card reasonably up to date, or was it long expired? A worker at the clinic told a friend of mine that the records were only kept for a year after the last visit. No idea if this is really true or not.

Hippie the clinic would lie in order to get the girls registed to stop the spread of aids and other std's and it is also possible that they are ignorant or that the girls lied. As far as data bases and contacts I cannot give that info out.

The Servicios Municipales Medicos maintains the database on the health cards. Chica must show their 'credential' to get a health card, this document (a/k/a an IFE card) is a Mexican national identity card, kind of a combination Social Security card/drivers license.

The name on the health card will be the same as on their credential and birth certificate. These documents CAN be faked, but ALL would have to be faked.

There is no valid reason for the SMM to provide their database to the US authorities. At the very least, doctor/patient confidentiality would be violated. If Ahora is hearing about this, I wouldn't be surprised if the SMM were providing a bogus database to the US.

Hippie:

This was some time ago, but yes, I was personally involved in the process and went with her to the Consulate. It was in TJ. It was the first working gal from TJ that I tried to help get a VISA, and she had told me that she did NOT have a health card.

I personally heard the words from the person at the Consulate who explained to me that she had a health card issued in TJ and that was why they denied her application.

She was currently working at one of La Zona clubs, and turned out to in fact have a current health card.

I do not know exactly how they discovered that she had a health card, but there was no real way they could have suspected anything unusual, so I suspect it was a routine check of some sort. I understand that they do check with the police, and other agencies, as a routine matter on VISA applications.

Since that time I always have made sure that the chica understood that she had to be completely honest with me about certain things - the health card being one of them. Also, if she has ever been arrested, either here or in Mexico, or if she has ever been caught trying to cross the border illegally.

There ARE ways around the health card issue: One gal, for example, who had a health card in her real name in TJ managed to get a VISA from her home town. At that time (2 plus years ago) the health card records were only maintained by the local municipality. I doubt that Mexico has implimented any kind of national database of health cards, but I honestly don't know that for a fact.

The real bottom line, however, is that the Consulate has a tremendous amount of lattitude when it comes to turning down VISA applications. Yes, there are rules - but those are mostly designed to deny certain people access to the U.S. Approval is not so clear cut. It really does come down to the decision(s) made by lower level Consulate employees.

Be very careful NOT to let her name get into the U.S. system as having a health card, since that means she will NOT get a VISA - period. Once she is in the U.S. database, anywhere she applies her name will show up as having previously been determined as having a health card. And that is one of the explicit classes of people prohibited from being allowed entry to the U.S. of A.

After all, we all know how subversive hookers are, right?

Good luck!!

Was Mata-Hari a spy first, or a prostitute second?
But, in all seriousness, I'm not comfortable about posting chica/visa information.

The SMM is very interested in stopping the spread of disease's that are sexually transmitted and DO share real information with us and it is no secret. You are welcome to stop by or call the consulate and ask them. We are not provided with a bogus database as we are provided with photostat copies of all records after a person has been identified as a prostitute. I can tell you that everyday the consulate turns several people down for visas because they have health cards on file. That is one of the things they do when they ask for you to come back tomorrow for your visa. We also have access to databases within the minesterio publico, judicial de estado, municipal, pgr and even profeco that we check to see if a bussiness has had any trouble or reports against them. I personally have entered these databases to research and our authourity for that comes straight from mexico city and The one time I was refused there was hell to pay the next day as visitors from DF came a calling on tijuana.

So Ahora007, is it possible to bring a chica up on a 25 mile pass for the day if she does not have a health card or arrests?

If so, how does one go about obtaining such a pass?

Never have been comfortable about posting chica/visa information. It is not the bomb.

Merican the only reason I am able to do it is because of my work and the fact that I have to swear that I will be with the 100% of the time and I also will get my ass handed to me on a silver platter if they dont make it back

Alexis AB is American by birth and has a US passport. Recommended.

Ahora007,

Are you saying that the only way for one of us regular folks to get a chica who has a health card registered across the board is by either applying for a finacee visa and marrying her?

Or is that impossible as well because of her health card?

You can still marry her but fiance visas are almost a thing of the past as they are making the bride stay in country of origin alot more now.

Gloria AB dancers could she cross the border to
US legally, anybody knows? I realized she has
silicone but damn she is worth sacking up for
a good weekend.

So, spend a weekend in TJ witn Gloria. There are lots of place to go to.

You might need to get to know her a little bit better. She has two kids that might present a problem if she were to go away for the weekend.

Now, you could take her to Puerto Nuevo for a fun day trip with her kids, if you really want to impress her!

Spurticus, what happened to the prince wig and the iambic pentameter, it "suited" you so well? How dreadful it must be to be so concerned and paranoid? Did I ever tell you that Yasmine has a visa and is standing in front of the door of your "top-secret" location right now?

Just because you don't want little dirty Mexican whores running around in our ever so wonderful and holier than thou United States don't ruin the fun for the rest of us yeah?

Goodtime, check your e-mail for info on Rebecca. Because of a recent "investigation" I can't really post in public specific details about girls and visas.

You've just GOT to love that Spurticus guy. What a PRIZE!

lets say you get pulled over in your car with a girl who has crossed illegality, has no passport, been deported from US already. What laws have I broken? Am I going to jail?

Probably not.

They can take the car, but as a practical matter that doesn't happen very often anymore. (This law is in flux, and several challenges exist. At this time I don't think anyone is actually taking cars, but the law is still on the books.)

Also, it depends where you are when this happens, and WHO pulls you over.

The L.A. County Sheriff has a no ask policy - meaning they don't even attempt to determine if a passenger (or driver, for that matter) is in the country legally - UNLESS that person has broken the law (beyond a simple driving infraction).

They can (and probably will) ask for ID, and by law she would have to produce some (if she has any). She should! (She can get a fake ID in Mexico easily enough. Drivers licenses in Mexico are NOT the "main" ID - so they are easy to come by down there.)

If she is driving she needs to produce a drivers license. A Mexican license is valid for her to use in the U.S., but she should stick to a story that she is just "visiting". (She can also rent a car with just a Mexican license.)

A tricky subject has to do with your granting her permission to drive your car. If she is driving your car she "should" have a written letter giving her permission to do so. However, this seems to be seldom enforced in the U.S.

However, it can help if there is an accident. Your insurance company will insist on such a letter before processing any claim. The downside is that if you know she is here illegally, giving her written permission to drive your car "could" cause you problems if they decide to take the car.

As a practical matter, chances are good that nothing bad will happen to you personally.

Curious, unless she is driving the car, they can NOT ask her for ID. (let me rephrase that, They CAN ask her for it, but have no legal authority to force her or any car passanger to identify herself.) The only way a passenger can be forced ti ID himself is if he is either being arrested or cited. (say open container or no seatbelt.)

thank you very mucho - one never knows what situations they might find themself in these days.

Powerslave:

Not actually correct.

A foreign national who is visiting the US is, technically, supposed to carry their passport and VISA with them at all times, and surrender them to inspection by ANY peace officer on request.

bluelight:

ALL of the above also assumes that 1) you are NOT transporting her for payment, and 2) are NOT trying to transport her past any immigration check points (or border crossings), and 3) are not trying to keep her concealed, and 4) are not being stopped by the Border Patrol.

Curious, in that case, right. However, since the cop cannot ask her immigration status,(at least in most california counties) he will not know whether she is a foreign national...

Curious that changes things alittle. What if I'm paying her? I don't think the last 3 would be a problem. BTW, I'm in Arizona.

Powerslave: Actually they can ask if she is a citizen, and if she says no, they can ask for her passport or ID. And, as you noted earlier, they can ASK anything. She is just not obligated to answer!

Bluelight: You paying her is, of course, illegal in the good old U.S. of A. (at least for sex!), so you better BOTH keep your mouths shut about THAT. My reference was if she was paying you to transport her - ie: hired you as a coyote.

I ran into Ana Maria of Adelita fame today, and she informed me that she now has a tourist visa.

I met a club girl who wants to come and visit (or stay with) me. She has a visa. I'm not sure if it's a good idea and ask for you fellow monger's opinion.

On the one hand she is good looking and I can probably get free sex. On the other hand I don't need trouble and complications. I'm still single so no need to worry about the wifey thing. She is 19 and has been in TJ only 2 weeks.

She sometimes says she will go back to her hometown in a month and sometimes says she's not going back. Also she can only stay in San Ysidro?San Diego and cant go to L.A.? Things might happen in the next few days.

-Dick

I've had several girls stay overnight without incident, but there's always a risk with someone you don't know well. I would guess that you're probably ok.

There's one that seems really interested now, but I don't know after having a really mediocre session with her.

Funny thing too is she tried to set me up with her new friend in town today.

I would only let a girl you really know well and trust in your home. Even if the chica is okay, she may have a padrote or friend who may just use her as a way to stake out gringo's home to rob or else...
I only take girls I know well or meet outside la Zona to my home in San Diego. It may sound paranoid, but I am more than happy to take my chances taking a stranger to my hotel in TJ and risk loosing a few hundred bucks, but I am not willing to mess with my house.
I also don't want a ZN chica spontaneously show up at my house in the future.

I think it all depends on the chica, how well you know her, how well you trust her, and what she really wants.

I have had a few at my house and the only problem I have ever had is someone showing up at my door with little or no warning. (Either the chica, or in one case her sister.)

It's funny, in a way. I once had a chica here I really liked, and she was scared to death staying in my house. She was so used to living in an apartment building in a busy city she found the relative quiet of my suburban place scary!

Dick: The following sentence of yours confuses me. (I am easily confused!) You said: "Also she can only stay in San Ysidro?San Diego and cant go to L.A.?"

Do you mean she is limited to the staying in San Diego/San Ysidro? If so, it means she only has a border crossing card (BCC) VISA. These are limited to travel within 50 miles of the border, and only allow a limited stay each time.

If you are in LA, she is going to be there illegally. That adds other possible considerations for you - such as, if she is in your vehicle and she gets busted, you can lose your car. (Ya, ya, I know - this is seldom enforced any more, but it IS still on the books. And if you argued in court that you didn't KNOW she wasn't legal, they probably would give you the car back. But it is the possible HASSLE you need to consider.)

There are two things in life you can't easily change ... the place where you live and the place where you work. Be very careful about giving that info out to anybody!
Biologically speaking, it is unnatural for a woman to prostitute herself sexually unless she has a lot of emotional baggage, including a drug habit, a young baby, a troubled home life, etc.
Why would you risk bringing someone around your home who could embarass you among neighbors, landlord, family etc? Who could vandalize your car? Who could break into your home while you are at work?
Your ability to make a clean break from a puta by crossing the border makes things clean and simple.
Once a puta (American or Mexican) has your home address she now has the upper hand; you are at her mercy.
It's possible she will not abuse her upper-hand status but it's not a high percentage bet.
Given how much uncomplicated pussy that is out there, it doesn't make sense to give out that information.
If you just MUST have this one chica, get a motel for the weekend on the US side.
But even this compromise has pitfalls. She will have your auto license plate number, your name as it appears at the motel registry, probably a look at your drivers license (with address on it) while you are asleep or in shower.
And if you get her pregnant and she can identify the father ... US paternity laws will make your life hell for 18 years.
You are merely playing another form of Russian Roulette IMHO.

Thanks for your very helpful posts, gentlemen.

d'Art, I don't know her that long. I think she's ok but dont want a boyfriend or amiga of hers come giving me trouble(of course she says she has no boyfriend). Also do your chicas stay one night and go back? I was under the impression this chica wants to stay longer.

Robertx, yes I thought about that and agree with you totally. My place is rather permanent and I don't want my future wifey/serious girlfriend answer the door with a Tijuana chica looking for me. Also what if she knows some tough guys who needs money...

Curious, you interpreted my typing mistakes right. I meant to say SY/SD instead of SY?SD. Sign that I'm not all that together;-). I'm not too sure what kinda visa she has, could be just the border crossing card. Thanks for the tip about the car.

Rodney, it is possible that all the baggages you mentioned.. she has.. She say she has no baby, no drug habit but I didn't give her a drug test. Yeah, who wants the neighbours to gossip.. The paternity thing too. Once, we didn't have a condom and she didn't care. She joked about having kids with me and at the time I just thought that was sweet.

BTW, do you guys pay these chicas or do they come here just because the want to see you?

I'll be a bit more cautious. Guess you guys are veterans.
Thanks once again.

I never paid a chica to come to my house. Again if I am only on a customer - professional sex-worker relationship I usually don't want her to know where I live and I don't introduce her to my neighbors.
However, I couple of Mexicanas have visited me. First my novia, her friends and lastly a favorita.
I never pay them when they come to San Diego. Even for my favorita I consider everything north private and not business.
One big reason why SD can be better than TJ is that your are on your turf and you will see how suddenly you know how things work and she is the stranger.However, like with any date I pay for everything else: food, cover, tickets to shows etc.
I think many chicas from areas like the Zona Norte, even if they don't live there, don't mind spending a nice Sunday afternoon on the beach in PB or eating out in LaJolla.
If they don't have a car, I always picked them up at the border.