DEFENSE FOR A REAR CHOKE HOLD:

If the opponent attempts a choke form the rear, swiftly and forcefully execute an open hand groin strike to loosen the choke. To defend against a rear choke-
1) Use palm of your left hand to strike the opponent's groin and grip the opponet's right wrist with your fight hand.
2) Grab, squeeze, and twist the opponent's groin violently and forcefully.
3) Side step quickly to the right under the opponent's right arm as the chokehold loosens.
4) Maintain a firm grip on the opponent's right wrist and violently pull his arm to extended position in front of him.
5) Deliver a powerful left forearm strike to the opponent's elbow once the elbow is in a fully extended and locked position. This damages the elbow and drives the opponent's upper body down.
6) Maintain control of the opponents arm and apply pressure to his injured elbow.
7) Execute a rear leg front kick to the opponents face.
8) Grab the opponent behind the neck, rotate your hips, and execute a rear leg sweep taking the opponent to the ground.
9) Execute a heel stomp swiftly and violently to the opponent's head as a finishing technique.

Steps 1-7 are usually all thats required.
-practice with a friend until moves are memorized.
-I just want to see NONE of use victimized ANYMORE!

I think this is pretty good stuff.

But, what I like to do is carry them over to Constituccion, where hopefully I can slam them backwards into a moving taxi!

You left out the last step.

10) Fall down and bleed when his partner sticks a knife in you.

Salsa Dude:
a reminder that some dudes just aren't that athletic to try the moves you described and of course, they need to be practiced quite a bit to get the move down.

As I said before, the first and foremost is to clear your neck, arteries and wind pipe, so that you don't black out. Grab your attacker's forearm that is choking you, with both hands and hold on with all of your body weight. I can go into much more detail but that is more advanced.
Depending on how tight the dude has you in his hold, you may only have a few to several seconds so you need to hold onto that forearm as much as possible.

Rock

Rock

Rock

Don't get me wrong, I think having self defense plans when being mugged is good. However, my perception of being mugged has changed since I was mugged a few weeks ago. The muggers work in gangs and use the element of surprise. It is almost like being hit by a rock being dropped from above. You have almost no chance to beat the mugger gang. They are pros and know what they are doing. They know all the tricks of the trade. As a team they had me defenseless and blacked out in less than 5 seconds. There is nothing you can do when there are five guys holding your legs and arms and choking you out. Avoidance is your only true defense. Once they have you in a choke hold you are finished. Making sure there is no one behind you is the most important factor. Walk in the street always. That way you can see if anyone is approaching from the rear and no one can pop out of a doorway and grab you as they can do on the sidewalk. Take a cab as often as possible. It is a good investment in your safety. Also have a backup plan incase you are mugged or lose your wallet and keys by other means. I now hide a car key in a magnetic box under my car. I carry my license and twenty dollar bills in a credit card holder stuffed down inside my socks and shoes. I carry a "decoy" wallet with my beer and tip money. That is so if I am mugged again the muggers will think they got what they want. If they don't find a wallet they may continue to look on your body until they find the stuff you are hiding. The one thing I am grateful for is that the guys who mugged me did not hurt me. They could have done serious damage to me if they had wanted. I learned a lesson that others I hope do not have to learn. Take no chances. Be prepared and be very paranoid. You are a target.

Or you can wear a spike-dog-collar...haha
Or you can dress like a total bum who looks like he may only have a few shillings to his name.
I dunno just thought i would try to help you guys out with a move or 2 or 10. Maybe Pres Fox will make diff and start to clean crime up.
Our best bet is to travel in groups. Can i bring my Rottweiler accross the border? Maybe prentend i'm blind and he's my guide dog....yaa thats it :-)

The self-defense tips are a nice thought and maybe somebody will benefit, it can't hurt. I would say that 90% of the mongers mugged have no chance and are at the mercy of the muggers. The fact of the matter is that when that arm snakes around your neck and you are pulled backwards, any kind of a plan is out the window because you will have a surge of panic/fear/surprise that may freeze your mind in its tracks. If a technique is not reflexive, it probably won't happen and the muggers will be on you like "white on rice". Therefore, you're best defense is awareness and/or traveling in groups, especially if you've tipped a few cold ones. Muggings will continue...will you be next?

damn, i needed this advice last week...i got popped in the face for mouthing off to a barker on the street..i guess i would like to learn a few ways of defending your nose and cheek from being busted up...Maybe the best defense is saying no gracias?? Seriously, whats the best way to defend getting punched, forearm block and then retaliate?? I KNOW this sounds stupid..but man i got dazed on a blow to the right temple, cheek and nose...I didnt even stagger, but it was lighting quick..

Brother Happy, you need to keep the Happy to the room with the chicas and git Unhappy, in the streets at least--the shit is serious out there--whatchu thinkin' anyway, tellin' somebody ta fuck off, then turnin' ya back on him?!?! Be glad ya learned the lesson on the cheap and just got a little bloody--be careful out there, don't run ya mouth like it's the high school cafeteria and ain't nobody gonna jump, 'cause some muthafuckas down there will jump, and quick!

Happy mi amigo,

I agree with Bro Ritmoin that perhaps a bit of "diplomacy" at first might yet be your first "line of defense". The info Viking and Rock gave you is excellent, but that's for AFTER an attack. Sounds like saying "no gracias" would be a little more smooth.

I think my amigo Rock will agree you actually got off pretty easy. There's a lot of places in LA where telling someone to "fuck off" will get you SHOT, eh Rock?

Happy, one thing to keep in mind is that 85 percent of first punches come from the right hand. You have a significant advantage blocking your opponents right with your left and in the same motion delivering a devastating right of your own.

Of course, if he happens to throw from the left hand first, you could be in serious trouble if you move right into it.

As I told you before, the most effective punch you can deliver is a body shot right to the gut. Not only will you not damage your hand, but this punch will *disable* 90 percent of all men. I have ended many fights this way with a single punch. Of course, if you run into someone with abs like mine, it won't be as effective.

-Superman-

Just to add one more note to the self-defense tactics listed here. If you find yourself in a choke hold turning the head to the right is definitely the first thing you should do. Grabbing the hand and elbow is the most effective way of relieving the pressure on your neck. Push up on the elbow and pull down from the thumb side of the hand. My 11-year-old daughter was able to relieve the pressure of a chokehold using this method. From here you have two basic options: (1) you will find by pushing the elbow up you have enough room to slid your head out and deal with matters from that point. (2) You will relieve enough pressure to use your feet. It takes only 7 lbs. Of pressure to break a kneecap. A slight bend in your waist will put you in the position to give a very good bent knee kick to the person behind you. If he has you in a chokehold one of his knees is approx. a foot and a half behind you. He will more than likely have his right leg closer to your body than left if he has grabbed you from the right. The only advantage to this type of move comes if, you are a little slow and weaker this lets you keep your eyes on the other person that may be in front of you and at the same time keep another person off you back if he is along side or in back of your attacker. Do not let go of the attacker arm until you are sure he is ready to end the battle. My daughter was able to effetely end an attack with this method but could consistently throw me with the knees to the chest thrust. If you are an older person or a little weaker than your attacker this move is a good option. Many guys can take repeated hits to the face and stomach but the knees are far less forgiving. If you are not a fighter, you may still have a problem with the second person. My observations are that in TJ if you beat one they are all ready to leave. Just may 2 cents worth.

thanks for all of the advice guys..I really appreciate it...I was grazed on the right side of the temple, and then the right cheek and nose..with his LEFT ring finger...Maybe thats why i was a bit dazed with the first hit...It was left handed..I happen to be left handed as well...Of course he was around 5'9-5'10, about average, but another problem is that i am about 5'6" tall, and weight about 175 pounds..Obviously the first rule of defense is the keep my damn mouth shut...But what do you recommend for a shorter guy..Since my reach is shorter, should i keep my defense up..and actually move closer to
get a quick shot in..

I am only 5'7", 165 lbs. You have enough weight to move a person up to 250 lbs. with no problem. If you are not that good of a fighter being close is to your advantage as most people can not fight effectively with someone right in their face. If you are somewhat sure of your fighting ability, keeping your distance and hitting the openings is the only way to go. You do not have to hit someone in the face to hurt them. Look to other parts of the body. Many guys can take a lot of hits to the face but one punch to the gut puts them on their knees. One good hit on the kneecap drops them in more pain than they will want to deal with for a long time.
One more thing about getting into a confrontation in TJ. When this happens it is my advice to get yourself into a cab and head for the boarder non stop. He who runs today lives to fuck another day. Part of Mexican culture says that he who gets his story to the police first is usually right. If you do not speak Spanish well enough to explain what really happened you could have a little trouble on your hands. If there are more than one of them and you are only one it will turn into your word against the two of their words. IT IS NOT WORTH THE HASSEL. THE GIRLS WILL BE THERE ON YOUR NEXT TRIP DOWN. At the very least get out of the area of the zone. Head back up to Las Pulgas on Rev and 6th. You will have a good time there also. You may even get laid for free if you know what to say and do. Take my advise if a girl ask you to dance do it. Even if you look like a clown just do it. You will be surprised at what happens after that even if she does not stay with you.

It's a spiritual thing, self defense. You bring violence to yourself, with your bad karma. Sure, you could be stalked by a pile of neurotic bad thumb monkeys from a particularly dangerous and fetid zoo clique, south of Tarpon Springs. But, how likely is that to happen? It's your zen. It's your karma.

You are marked as prey by your scent. But, you could be hunting those that would hunt you. In any case, you stink of fear.

I just want to see more animals fuck on those National Geographic specials. Oh,God, please ... more naked black women with pointy tits. Oh, yes.

Damn the torpedos... full speed ahead ... more pickled ginger and miso! Put that blade away, Tanakato. Damn it, man!

Thanks guys, especially StrikingViking for the great tips. Lots of these hombre's will have a knife or other weapon, and like StikingViking says, if they are intent on pummeling you, they will. Having said that, one thing that needs to be said though, that many of you may already know, is that attitude is all important. One major key to survival I learned in the military is that you will either kill or be killed. I am a smaller man and learned the hard way that to win any fight I gotta hit hard, fast, reflexively, and with no hesitation go straight for the literal kill every time. I strive for the icy attitude of a terrorist or serial killer...calmness, focus. Get in a fight with me and minimum you get is a broken bone or two.
Hombres can see this attitude in the way you carry yourself, calm and respectful, but ready to kill.
My main fear would be landing in Mexican prison after I killed some bastard.

Its amazing to me how many guys end up in this thread talking about how tough they are, and turn out in real life to be tiny little accountants. I guess, in cyberspace, every one is Tarzan or Rambo.

The reason that the rateros have success with their chokeholds is that the moment that you realize you're in one, you're unconscious. To assert that there are good defenses to this type of attack is to assert that chokehold victims had a choice about being victims.

The only choice that you get here - in real life - is to be aware of your surroundings while walking in TJ.

Personally I am much more in favor of prevention than anything else. So yes, I stay alert, walk in the street many times, and look around constantly.

But a couple of times I have still felt I was being cased for an attack. Those times I suddenly get this itch by my right ear. Being the decandant person that I am, if I have an itch I scratch it. Sometimes for a LONG time.

Try it. Then imagine someone applying a choke hold while you are scratching your ear.

I thought about the spiked collar, but the chicas didn't like that idea, so....

My technique is that I give $5 to a chica who stands on Calle Constitucion with instructions to alert me if she sees an imminent attack. I give her $5 every couple of months.

Needless to say, if she fails in doing so, she won't get anymore $5 from me.

I don't know if this is an effective technique, but it has worked so far.

Explorer, you are truly an idiot. Attacks happen so quickly you wouldn't have a clue. They also happen all along constitucion and 1st st. The reason that you haven't got attacked is that attacks seem to be down and you probably look around. Your posts get more riduculous everyday. She's watching your back? Now that is funny.

At this point I can't tell if Explorer is joking or not but I can say that the street girls do know who the local 'chineros' are since they've seen them in action so many times.

Well I think one way to solve this would be to get a little information on the last time he has been to TJ. What is the name of the girl he pays the 5 to? Maybe we can all use her.

He seems to have the danger factors figured out here. Lets see where do we start?

By Explorer8939 on Monday, February 05, 2001 - 12:44 pm:
What is amazing to me is the amount of street crime in the Zona, when there is a cop about every 10 feet down there.

By Explorer8939 on Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 06:30 pm:
My personal view on the most dangerous area of the ZN is Avenida Constitucion between the alley and Art. 123. Walking along that very dark portion of the street, you get the feeling that someone could grab you at any moment.
However, I had a recent conversation with a SG who works there who told me that she hasn't seen an attack there since last year, when there were lots of attacks in that area.

By Explorer8939 on Sunday, March 04, 2001 - 11:36 am:
My technique is that I give $5 to a chica who stands on Calle Constitucion with instructions to alert me if she sees an imminent attack. I give her $5 every couple of months.
Needless to say, if she fails in doing so, she won't get anymore $5 from me.
I don't know if this is an effective technique, but it has worked so far.

Ok i quit. This will be the laat bullshit attack I do. As a matter of a fact. Since after 20 years of being in the zone I all of a sudden do not feel like I don't know shit(not). I think I will sell the house dump the property I have been such a fool.

Warning, you guys (luvdog, etc.) here comes a flame for Explorer:
What are you, Eighteen? Calling people "tiny littel accountants" just because you are too dim witted to become a CPA yourself? You're probably too busy jacking off to realize what it takes to survive. If you disagree with somebody say it with respect....it's attitudes like yours that get assholes like you killed...hell, if you were in my old unit we would've fragged your fat ass before yesterday, and my buddy who is now a "tiny little accoutant" would've been the first to do it! I'd love to see your asshole attitude in southeast asia...
Before you flame me back, why don't you pay your chica five bucks to watch your back, first...lol

Oops!

Looks like I hit the hot button of a teeny tiny accountant!

Luvdog,

Not too hard to explain my thoughts on the danger issue.

I personally believe that the stretch from 123 to the Alley on Constitucion is dangerous. This SG claims there have been no attacks lately, but I still feel its better to take no chances.

You're right, Bone. So is StrikingViking. Sometimes the ol' ego gets away from us, it's from the same hormone that gets us into this hobby in the first place...testosterone lol
Livin' la vida loca