I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND THAT WORK IN CHICAGO LIKE MANY HOMBRES AND I OFFER TO TAKE CARE OFF HER SHE DON'T WANT MY MONEY. ITS HAVE BEEN A OFF AND ON RELATIONSHIP FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS. OUR RELATIONSHIP IS GOOD ALOT OF SEX AND ALOT OF FUN ITS LIKE WE WERE THE PERFECT COUPLE FOR EACH OTHERS. BUT SHE VERY JEALOUS!! IMAGINE THAT HUH? AND SHE REALLY DON'T THRUST ME FOR DAMM. BECAUSE OF THE MARINE CORP I GET SEND TO MANY PLACES SO ITS NOT THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND TO SEE WHAT OUT THERE BUT I CAN ONLY I LOVE THIS ONE THE MOST. WHEN I WAS STATION IN CAMP PENDLETON I LIVE IN TJ FOR ONE YEAR AND NOW 3000 MILES AWAY FROM TJ I STILL VISIT TJ EVERY MONTH OR SO. TELL ME SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE'S GUYS THAT KNOW THIS TYPE OF GIRLS LIKE THE ITS THEIR'S JOB, YA KNOW WHO U ARE. I HAVE NO PATIENCE BUT WE HAVE A BABE TOGETHER I REALLY WANT THIS TO WORK BUT I GUESS BECAUSE IM SO FAR FROM TJ, WE EVEN TRY TO LEAVE IN THE BIG APPLE AND BECAUSE OF MY JOB AFTER THE WTC ITS HARD FOR THE BOTH OF US... MY PROBLEM IS THAT SHE DON'T WANT MY MONEY, BUT SHE DON'T WANT TO WORK THERE! BECAUSE SHE FEEL BAD BUT SHE DO ANYWAY. I WILL BE OUT OF THE MARINE CORP IN 7 MONTHS. HER PROBLEM IS THAT SHE THINK THAT IM BETTER OF WITH SOMEONE ELSE BECAUSE WE BEEN SEPRATE FOR SO LONG AND THAT ITS NOT FAIR FOR ME. SHE CLAM TO ONLY LOVE ME. ITS TRUE THAT WORKING IN THE JOB LIKE CAN MESS THIER'S HEAD UP?. I SEE MANY PEOPLE BREAK UP AND THE GIRLS FALL BACK AND PICK UP WITH THE NEXT HOMBRE. I LIKE TO HERE FROM U GUYS WHATS U THINK I BUSING MY ASS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN BUT I THINK THAT SHE STUCK BETWEEN WITH CONFUSING AND SHE THINK THAT IM NOT SERIOUS. THIS IS THE LAST TIME IM GOIN TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN... PLEASE GIVE ME A INSITE.. OR ADVISE.. ANYTHING... THANK U!

If you truly love her, go for it.

That being said, I would guess your chances of a sucessful long term relationship are going to be difficult. If you try and fail it is usually better than to not try at all(unless you have to pay alimony).

Most Marines I know are very goal oriented and by training fairly organized people, Write out a game plan of what you and Sweetie Pie will need to do to make it work.

If she and you agree to plan, then work together to reach your goal.

Advice from and old, not necesarily wise man.

God bless the USA and God bless and protect the men of the Marines.

Beer is on me if I ever meet you in TJ.

Ben

It sounds like you love her. I guess I would just find out *why* she is reluctant - try to find the true nature of her feelings. Either she loves you and is willing to try to make it work... or she isn't. Try to arrive at a point, no matter how difficult, where *you* are sure what her true feelings and motivations are. I wish you luck.

She is being kind to you.You said she does not take your money,this means two things.She knows she is making more money than you and that she does really care for you.You did not mention if you were fluent in spanish.If you are not it will be a tough road you are on.Remember this,you are a young monger and she is a young girl.She is still learning about a prostitutes life and future.Eventually she will see where the road she is on will bring her and if she feels it is better with you she will take your path.Very,very few girls can stay in this business without destroying themselves on drugs and alcohol.Usually the ones that survive are the ones involved in good outside relationships of some sort and are really only doing this for the money.Those are very,very few.

Laoz Boyz. e-mail me at brfjhc@hotmail.com

I have some info that will be useful for you.

From one (Ex)Marine to another: DON'T BE STUPID. (First, I have some doubts about the veracity of this post, but anyway the question is ripe for discussion). Specific's advice is right- and I am even more pessimistic than that. If you think that you will go off and live happily ever after with her you are kidding yourself.
Most of the girls working in TJ, like your's, are very nice girls that will treat you nice if you treat them nice. But they all have problems that you will never be able to fix. While you say you've been with the girl for three years, my guess is that you really know little about her: her family backround, prior relationships, what she does when you're not around. Don't rely on what she tells you. If you don't see it with your own eyes don't believe it. And don't let your emotional attachment to the girl blind your judgment. Girls like her have practiced their skills for thousands of years. History is filled with men who have lost everything because of a women's spell.
You are not the first guy to fall in love with a working girl. As an 18 year old Marine I spent a long time among the prostitutes of Olongapo City, Philippines (which makes TJ look like kiddieland). I fell in love with the first girl I met, as did most of my buddies. I won't bore you with old war stories but let me tell you that over the years (quite a few) and over the world I have seen that almost all these girls, even the nice ones, are lying sacks of shit that you CANNOT trust. That does not mean that they're "bad" girls, that you can't have a good time with them, or even support them if you want to. But don't think that everything is going to be OK and that life will be great. The minute you do, the girl will take off with everything you own, including your pride and dignity. Protect yourself. Don't be sharing bank accounts, writing allotments on your military paycheck, or give her cash "for the baby." Be prepared for disaster. You wouldn't drive a car without insurance, because it's a dangerous world out there. Same with women- working ones or not. And as for the kid- do you know it's yours. Again, don't just take someone's word for it. After all, the girl is a prostitute. And don't marry the girl just because deep down you feel sorry for her. You can help her out without exposing yourself to such danger and humiliation.

I also have my doubts about this post being legitimate, but the subject and Maverick's response are quite valid.

It is natural people express skepticism on this thread and original post, especially coming from the poster whom the board is not familiar with. But, trust me, he is not lying. I happen to know the chica, and the story I heard from her is very very consistent with his.

THANKS FOR THE INPUT,
I never knew about CC and AB and ETC until 98 Oct after 4 months desert Ops in 29 Palms when a buddies told me about it, She was my first chica that I was with, I was going to a rough time with former wife at that time I was 20, I left her to be with this girlfriend now. From there its seem like great thing to be with her but alot of headaches, but I guess I love her to go through all this right?
Mr Ben!! You right about most Marines are orginaze and can take charge, When it comes to performing in a relationship from a chica from another country with a job like that! A normal hombre think twice about before jumping in. So I did make the plan it sound good and air tight, but again in her head theres so many reason it fall apart, For example I brought her to NYC for 5 months with the paper she then change her mind about the place, The last minutes she want to stay, Does anybody knows why the chica act like the world revovled around them. She wounld get mad when we fight she pack a wanting to leave and then changed her mind, This happen alot.... its not like its easy to bring her a cross the boarder.
Mr Bill theres not doubt that she loves me time after time she prove it by the action she do. she not into drugs she have alot of support thru me and she feel that im far that im going to leave her and she really have alot of mix emotional feelings in her head to always accused me of doing things like cheat on her even when im deployed in a desert or a ship on the Ocean for months. I still managed to call or email her and sometime chat with her everyday, And when im closed to her for two to three weeks at a time she tell me thing like she were fuck up, I think that all the chicas for the zona is fuck up emotionaly someway.
Specific, Its already a hard time for me learning work for me is falling apart, Im in charge of many Marines, but can't seem to work out the realtionship with her. I have try many AVE off aproach but its not working, It not that I m wrong or that she wrong its that the work its making her confused about things to seperate us,

Mavericks you are right!!! How can I fix whats can't be fix. Like all men we get soft and weak when a ladies needs our help, Its man like me who losed everything or do anything for a girl, And yes the baby is mine, actually she look exactly like me. Thank guys...

The reality of relationships: if the women doesn't want to be with the man above all else then there is NO relationship.

You fell in love with a hooker when you were 20 yrs old while you were having problems with an ex-wife. Sounds to me like you were moving too fast at a young age ... I don't think you really know what love is!

Whether you think the baby looks like you or not I hope you have had a paternity test.

I think you should attempt to gain custody of your baby and let the chips fall where they may.

If a woman wants to be with a man, she will be with him and deal with what ever she has to deal with to be with him.

Sounds to me like she doesn't want to be with you.
WISE UP ! Do what's right for your baby (custody) and then move on with life.

No man!!! she wants to be with me , MrBigbadblackwolf... I want to asked if anyone who has a babe with a working girl or who have a girlfriend there?... What it was like for them?.. yes I went and told u alot of inform... but if u think that u can run and tell her what im doing.. go ahead I guess it didn't work.. Man don't try that again!!! Anyway I will be there soon and for those Kool monger thanks for advice, and for those Jealous monger don't sweat it to much.. I don't with u..

Laoz Boyz...go with your heart man!!! If you feel you are making the right choice, so be happy and forget what other people think.

Personally, I would stay with the working girl.

what's stopping her from being with you?

You want to be with her. She says she loves only you.

So then what is the problem, why aren't you together??

You seem more concerned about yourself and your desires than about what's best for your baby.

Is it in the best interest in the child to be raised by a prostitute or by the john/father??

Quite obviously, love is a pursuit best left to professionals, not amateurs. Making a relationship work is a difficult task whether the chica is a common whore or a stock broker. Loaz' problem is that all the initial ingrediants for a successful relationship seem lacking. I say go with the flow but don't expose yourself to getting seriously hurt. There's an ancient Taoist saying to the effect of "Into the void soul even the tiger finds no place to sink its fierce claw." (Learned that in Kung Fu class!) Interpritation for the American hombre: If you don't care you can't get hurt. Be nice, be accomodating, but don't trust them!

hunh?

I am not a Kung Fu master, but I know Taoist teachings pretty well. "The void soul" is not "don't care". It is the status of mind where you achieve no disturbance. It requires a self assurance to reach there.

Hey, I only took the class to learn how to kick some ass. You're right, though. I guess the point's the same, however. If you've got your shit together, the girls aren't going to screw with your head.

Maverick,

I thought more about your interpretation and actually began to understand it. THE major source of mental disturbance, according to Taoism, is "desire", and if you can abadon it by "one way or another" (more on this below), you may achieve the void soul.

My initial objection to your post was your choice of the words "don't care". This was about the opposite of the Taoist teaches you how to approach the question. You have to remember, we are talking about the teaching that originated in 6th BC China. Each follower had to go through rigorous trainings, both mental and physical, (you know things like meditating in a fall with icy water beating your head) to go "beyond" desires.

But, maybe, I mean maybe, one could achieve the void soul by simply "not caring" in the 21st AD America where we have the benefit of having air conditioner, home office, and MTV. So, what the heck.

Hey-Hey Hey Now. I'm not prepared for a real philisophical discussion. I'm way too superficial for that. We're talking about pussy here. Those old Toaist monks were celibate, anyway.

This thread is not about talking pussy. Please examine the title again.

How come is this thread under "First timer" anyway?

Taling pussy? Where? This is something I have to see...or hear?

Your Taoist interpretations are complicating instead of simplifying.

It's just a metaphor and the message is to not empower other people with the ability to bum you out. In other words they can't hurt you unless you let them, so in effect you are hurting yourself.

That torture shit they made you go through was just a series of barbaric exercises to help you stay focused and not be distracted by outside BS. Stay true to your course!

That tiger part is an ultra obvious metaphor (whatlese is it?), but "the void soul" is far from it. And it is not "stay true to your course" either. If it is that easy, nobody gets hurt. But, I think we are putting everybody into sleep by this discussion.

This thread is about (among other things) what is best for the child born between a monger and a CC chica.

Hey SG,

Easy to say, hard to do.

This is a pet topic of mine, feel free to e-mail me if you'd like to continue. You're obviously well versed and I'd like to pick your brain.

Thanks!

R

You guys crack me up.
Whats that other ancient Taoist saying?

Oh yeah.

Man who take self too seriously on whore board need to take self to whorehouse.

That was Confucious, but who's keeping track? ;-)

That Confucious dude knew how to PARTY!!

MrBillO^™- ~ He who stand on toilet gets high on pot... ~

Close, but not cigar, Puto.

Confucious said, man who take self seriously on whoreboard need to take self to whorehouse, seriously.

While reading through this old post, I wonder how this relationship with a "working girl" turned out? I'm curious.

M. Bates.