Sakebomb,

I appreciate your words. And thank you for sharing Sada's comment with me. It's always nice to hear things like that.

If Amy's attitude has in fact turned around, she's a must do with that body and face (as mentioned in my trip report) and I would be the first to highly recommend her to my fellow mongers.

Oh, you had wanted to know what Osiris had said about Amy in another thread but I can't find that thread right now, so I'll tell you here: "I hate her, she's a stuck-up bitch".

What a classic line! Maybe there's a cat fight brewing.

A My money is on Osiris (she's got a longer reach) kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

Excerpt from 12/2001 trip report.

Amy then took a position right next to our table. I purposely didn't make eye-contact with her, just like the previous night. And it wasn't easy because to Amy's credit she was looking absolutely awesome. She was wearing tight dark pink pants that hugged her great butt and it was paired with a colorful plunging bareback top that tied at the nape of her neck. Her almost completely natural breasts jiggled a bit as she turned to either side. IMHO, she is one of the best looking TJ chicas. If she should ever become popular in the hotel, she'll become a thousand dollar a night chica.

I couldn't help but think about our previous romantic moments together. My lustful side was screaming about how utterly foolish I had been to let her go. Many guys would have died to be in my position. But my logical side quickly reminded me that I had likely sidestepped a potential pitfall that someone in the future may fail to avert.

Those bittersweet thoughts for a moment made me forget about avoiding eye contact with Amy. Suddenly I found myself looking directly into her eyes. We both held that mutual gaze for about five seconds. I could tell that she was remembering something, even if it was only for the briefest of moments. Our exchange ended when she abruptly shook her head and walked away.

Amy's action outwardly seemed to be made in disgust, because I had possessed the audacity to look at her with more than just a casual glance. But there just wasn't something right about that response. It didn't make any sense. I knew that the real reason was something else whatever it might have been. And Daytimer agreed with me: there was simply no logical reason for her to have reacted that way.

Note! Recent favorable reports make it advisable for mongers to give Amy another shot. If she begins giving a sweet and less restrictive session, she'll be awesome.

An Amy could make a million dollars if she wanted to kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

Amy information from Ouque's thread.


By Ootie on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 04:35 am:


On the topic of Amy's breasts, two excerpts from Amy's thread (the same thread that Sakebomb cited):

"Before the operation, Amy had nice natural C breasts, but they were not symetrical and not as perfectly formed as they are now. Since I never got to more than incidentally touch the new improved version, I can't say for sure how they feel now. But before, they felt really good, and at every touch of them, she would respond in a heightened sexual manner as if touching them was like pushing a go button. When I was pleasuring her clitoris during this last session, she was squeezing her breasts significantly and arching her lower back upwards, so I believe that they are still a significant pleasure point for her."

"Technically, Amy's breasts ARE purchased. Her surgeon deserves the Nobel "Piece" Prize for what he did. I was very familiar with her pre-lipo breasts: although they were C+ or D- in size, they were a bit irregular and asymetrical in shape and the nipples and nipple areas seemed a bit tilted also (I still greatly enjoyed them though). Maybe that's why she included them in her complete lipo overhaul."

So for the record, Amy was NOT born with what she now has. They may feel real because the surgeon used the same mass (as opposed to creating new mass). But who really cares? If breasts feel soft and natural, I don't care if they aren't 100% real.

Also on the subject of GFE, it IS possible to have a GFE without French-kissing and a BJ. But then that GFE is known as a "Go Fuckin' Elsewhere", NOT a "Girl Friend Experience".

A You CAN'T have a girlfriend experience without French kissing kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner (disappearing again for another two weeks)

By Horndogg on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 01:14 pm:


You guys are misreading my post.

I said GFE minus the french kissing,BJ,anal. So I was actually saying I got sessions that was less than GFE. Actually many real GF don't give BJ and anal so the actual only missing element was french kissing.

Kind of like $10 minus $1, minus $2,minus $3, is less than $10.

I did get "everything" else BTW.

By Specific on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 04:01 pm:


Ootie
You seem to know Amy really well.A tip from a long ago E-mail friend.She is a pain in the as but she does not have a boyfriend and would really,really like one.At least she did last month.On your last trip to Tijuana,why do you think she showed up every where you were.These girls especially ones like Amy are not going to act like they want you.If they do that they lose the only advantage they have to use.On your next trip to TJ,if you are still alone in your real life,just talk to her,she might really surprise you.She will be a expensive girlfriend but all pretty girls are,especially when you can make the bucks that she can.

By Ootie on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 11:32 am:


Specific,

A la contrare! You seem to know Amy a lot better than I do, especially with your recent interactions with her. After all, you happen to know that she reads this board.

On the other hand, my experience with her is only limited to a free all-nighter more than a year ago when she proposed to me, some ensuing tender Emails from her, being stood up three months later, a lukewarm CC session six months after that, and on my last TJ trip, a disgusting glare from her when she thought I was staring her way. She might surprise me? My only surprise is the content of your post. There was as much chance of her following me as there is that you're really Osama Bin Laden.

But for the (un)lucky hombre who tames her, he will have a partner who can be a lot of fun to be with and a super gorgeous sex kitten to boot. I still think she's one of the most beautiful chicas in TJ. What a cute face! What a body! Of course, he'll always have to wonder if she loves him for him or for the potential "papers".

I'd love to repeat our honeymoon together but not at the psychological or economic price that would probably be exacted. I still shudder to think about what might have happened if I had been emotionally vulnerable when I first met her, when I didn't know what I know about her now.

I'd love to hear about the particulars of her Las Vegas trip. Do you have any information to share?

A Been there, done that kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

By Specific on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 05:51 pm:


Ootie
I have only become friendly with her in the last few months.It has been very slow at CC and she gave me what she thought was a great session upstairs.I thought it was average(I can only imagine what a one time customer would get)after our session she wanted a gurrantee from me for a allnighter.I was going to pay 200 though it would not be free.If you got a freebie(especially a allnighter)from her she must have really liked you.
She is a zona chica and thus moody and unreliable on everything.I do know she knows about these sites because she told me what I had wrote and my handle.It was either her or a friend of hers.She also likes to play games.I told her after she said she told Smith what I wrote about her on the sites that I would now continue writing about her(AMY).She laughed stood up and said with her hands on her hips"it doesn't matter what you say,when they see me they are buying".I said ok I will write about you alot and it will always be the truth and it has been.Ootie all these girls a alittle nuts and maybe you should play it your way with Amy.She makes a lot of money and sometimes she thinks her shit don't stink but when I sat with her for 2 hours 2 months ago she cried to me about hating this business.She asked me if I knew some nice guys she could go out on real dates with.You never know these girls motives but I know one thing,zona girls especially Amy would never ever give you a freebie if she didn't like you(alot).

Does Amy fuck the AB manager? I get to see them together quite a bit.

If she isn't fucking the manager, then he's a fool!

And you gotta love her humility, pointed out by Specific: "when they see me, they buy me". Osiris had her pegged right on when she said: "she's a stuck-up bitch". Funny, she wasn't that way before the lipo surgery. I wonder if the surgeon rearranged a couple of the brain cells too.

A But still hoping that Amy finds her true happiness somewhere without anybody getting hurt kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

yep she is

Tjjohnny
I know for a fact she only fucks customers.My roomates chica is good friends with her.She is looking for a rich gringo to take care of her and get her out of the business.

trust me she's fucking him. she also has a boyfriend from the us that visits her on her off days. to be honest with you, she really doesnt want out. the last i heard is that she's waiting for her visa so she can go to vegas and turn tricks. unless this rich gringo is willing to pay her 100k a year she's in the bus for good!

She's fucking that fat troll in front of AB that I see her talking to all of the time. This guy must threaten to fire these girls if they dont comply with his wishes because this guy is always with hot chicas and probably doesn't have a pot to piss in and you guys have seen what he looks like. I thought she was smart. Giving up free pussy to a broke, fat troll is stupidity..especially considering how hot she is.
Amy's shelf life is only going to last for a couple of more years. She gains weight rapidly and has the body type of a girl that will be very heavy when she gets a little older..and after a kid or two...huge.

She already had a kid.

Hey guys,

I'm new here, I read this whole thread about Amy. I was in CC on Saturday, March 9. This question is for any of you guys there that day. Is she the girl in the red dress, she is about 5'4 115 lbs. She walk in the bar with this beautiful and incredibly big breasted girl (I believe that girl's name is Julietta)?

If this is the girl, then she is really hot. I thought about doing her, but I never saw her smile once in the bar so I passed.

For you guys that have experice her, would you guys recommend her? Any help would be appreciated.

Minkus,
Amy is grande amiga con Julietta so you can assume you made the correct match.
90% of hombres including myself would give her the thumbs down. Plus she is all fake, lipo and silicone but her lips are real.
I did clock her a few times at 25 min so if you need to have her, I'd suggest you buy her a drink and feel the vibes, if no vibes cancel the mission.

Hey Blazers, that manager who you called a fat troll is my friend and we would like to hear you call him that in front of his face. FYI, he's not broke! He actually got paid $5K USD a month and if he decides to skim some from the bar and the hotel, he'd be making well over 6-figure a year. He also owns a very nice and big house at Las Playas de tee jay.

Regard Amy, she's in love with this guy. She comes over to see him every night after she got off work at CC.

I was gonna say, that dude has one of the best job in BC. He must have money as he likes fast cars and motorcycles and he gets a lot of free pussy. But I would not trade my job yet as I do not like to mix sex and business.

"Giving up free pussy to a broke, fat troll is stupidity..especially considering how hot she is"

For a second i thought you were talking about me.

I am curious though , There is a guy that hangs outside of Adelitas that fits that description that was a bathroom attendent at Valentinas A few years back.
Does he have dark skin ?

Zona girls are one rare species that i will never be able to figure out.

Most guys that work in the zona barely get by.
This guy is living the good life only dreamed about by many !!


Sakebomb I will PmS you about something tonight.
let me know if that is kool with you.

Take care Guys
Milky

Sakebomb
I bow to your knowledge of most chicas but we both know she is not in love with that guy.Many of the girls pay and give him respect because he can decide when and if they work.Amy can work both Adelitas and CC which many girls can't do.She stays on his good side because she is a good businesswomen.I repeat,Amy is looking for a nice rich gringo to marry and take care of her.When she finds out my roomate and his chica are in town she always calls her and they talk.If she is in love with someone she sure wants to cheat on him.Blazers you are right Amy once was a will be again a very heavy girl.For now though she is definitly in the top 5% of the zona chicas as far as looks go.

Sake mi broder,
Since El Gordo is your amigo grande, would you mind asking him to quit busting my cajones every time I try to TLN Paola? I'm developin' a complex here!

drew

Unless I'm mistaking, mi broder, that fat bastard that gives you and I the trouble is not the same guy to which SB is referring, the short guy (not really fat at all) that rides the red crotch-rocket.

5k a month and he owns a large house in Playas. He's getting paid on the side big time. Another corrupt local working in a corrupt industry.

What's with the threats Sakebomb. He's not on our side, he's on the dark side...don't go to the dark side young Luke. Besides, I could kick that guys ass in a Mississippi minute but I'm not stupid and realize that he has all of the local cops and managers in his pocket. You think I want to be banned from Adelita's for life. You're more intelligent than that.

Mis dos broders, Big Dog (BD) Joccanon is right! The guy at the door that busting your balls is just a security guy. However, he's the power to ban you from the bar if you got on his wrong side. The manager is 1/2 his size. When we hook up again, I'll introduce mis broders to all my people. They would not only take care of you, but would get you anything you want including local cops and federales in your pockets.

Blazers, this is a public board so I didn't threaten anyone. I think you missed the point as I said he's my friend. If you were my friend, I wouldn't like it when someone calls you a butt-ugly motherfucker even if you are one. My friends are always on my side!!! And trust me, I'm no saint, I've been in and out of the dark side.

Specific, whether Amy is in love or in lust with this guy or not, who really gives a c#%p. She called me her older bro. and setting me up with her friends. She spilled it out over a bottle of Remy she bought at AB. Amy is a hard-core 49er, straight up gold-digger! If you're a nice rich gringo, I think your milage runs further with a 18 year old SoCal stripper at Pacer's or Pure Platinum than with Amy. However, she treats me nice and I enjoy her company.

You gave my friend too much credits. He can't really decide if a girl can't work if she didn't break any rules. A girl can work at as many bars as she wants if she thinks she has a synthetic pussy. Every girl is a cash cow for the bar so they'll do their best to keep her staying to work unless she's a psychotic trouble maker (i.e. got drunk and got into fights with other girls, cheat on customers where police got involved, etc.) They would let it slide once, but if she's a repeater, she's out for good. Remember, everytime the cops and federales got involved, your silent contribution seemed to increase the month after.

My friend is a very smart guy as he's seen what happened to his predecessor. The guy before him was a drunk ass and a skimmer. This guy obeys the most critical rule for running a bar. He never or rarely drinks at his own bar. You loose respects from your workers when you turn into a drunk ass while telling them what to do. He's fully capable to realize that there's someone above him signing his check every two weeks. And he's not that stupid to get fired from a 6-fig income job and the free pussies he's getting. Who would???

God, if there was ever a "Golden Rule" of Bar Management...it's "Don't 'Party' In Your Own House". With about 1,037 other bars in the zona alone, he doesn't need to drink in his own. The fact that he's the Jefe of the #1 bar in the zona should give him unlimited credits in any establishment (in the zona) that he wants to party at.

What about the jefe at CC? I've heard mucho rumors and stories that he "plows" through the talent at CC.

Athos -

I just want to say thanks for the good advice. I will probably look for the vibe she is sending.

And thanks to the rest of you guys for some really good info on these chicas. I'm sure I'll make good use of it.

Amy is a bitch. I saw her on the night of 4/4. All she wanted to do was stay on her back. She didn't want me to touch her nipples. She offer doggie & mission. I did her mission, doggie, then pounded her mission hard for trying to rush me. After we were done she threw up in the toilet. She was a mess.

Excerpt from 5/2002 trip report.

I thought she looked awesome (as usual). Not a drop of fat on her this time, and the mostly-natural breasts looked spectacular. She even smiled at me for a millisecond (although that may have been because I was sitting with Sakebomb at the time and she was possibly looking for an "in" to our table which Edid had already secured). I didn't like the dreadlocks though: they made her remind me of a picture of Medusa (and there's another similarity that she shares with that mythological creature).

As stated above, she's still seeing the AB manager. I wish him well because he seems like a nice guy. Hopefully he won't become a victim of her gold-digging history (although I'm sure he can have any AB chica that he wants if she decides to look for greener pastures).

Amy may have set a CC hotel record while I was at Sakebomb's table: three sessions in a thirty minute span. I don't know if the shortness of session is because she's one of the most beautiful chicas in TJ and her clients can't hold back their orgasm for long, or if her sessions are so bad that her clients can't leave fast enough.

A Loves the body of Amy (can you blame me) kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

The manager is a nice guy. At least he's always treated me right. He's the owner's nephew. The previous manager, the older one, was dying of diabetes the last I heard (this was about 6 months ago).

Any new interesting news about this girl? She seems to be famous for her downstairs action as well as her actions in the room.

I saw Amy-CC on a Saturday night sitting at a table for hours with a group of guys who looked Middle Eastern; she never went up to the hotel though. Maybe she was telling the truth when she said that many guys pay her money just for the privilege of talking to her.

I also saw her happily dancing with another CC chica at about 4 AM when there was hardly a customer to be seen.

A Keeping you posted kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

I just saw her hanging with Osiris and Edid, I think she was working but wasn't sure as she had light makeup on but was rather conservative and unappealing in her choice of clothes.

D'Art,

When I saw Amy, she was similarly dressed conservatively as if she had no intention of going to the hotel. And I don't think she ever did.

It's interesting to note that Osiris was hanging with Amy after Osiris's famous remark about Amy last year. Maybe Osiris was only hanging with Edid (her girlfriend still?) while Edid was semi-hanging with Amy. Now if I was a tabloid reporter I could start speculating that Amy has turned lesbian and is trying to steal Edid away from Osiris. LOL. Could you imagine the cat fight that would ensue? I'm getting a hard-on just thinking about it.

An Amused kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

First of all why would any guy go up with a girl with out talking to her first to get a idea if you and her click or not?
I see this every time I go a guy walks up to a girl how much? She tells him and off they go 10min later she is back in the club. Sometimes I see a group of guys one pick the girl the other guy goes and gets her for him and off they go.
What the fuck get your own girl talk to her first and have a great time it’s that easy no rocket science here.
What’s all this shit about the price? It’s like the guy who buys a Ferrari if he has to ask how much he shouldn’t be there. That’s what street girls are for.

Amy is not so evil she is actually a very nice person, as is Juliet. These chica’s are there to make $$$ bottom line.
Friends and boyfriends are a byproduct of meeting so many people week after week.
These chica’s know the game
1) They know they are Hot
2) They know if you don’t go with them another guy will
3) They know they can make big $$every week (just think all those 10-12min door to door runs)
4) They don’t give a fuck what you think it’s all about $$$$( unless you are friends then your opinion is big)
5) They know they can get almost anything they want, jewelry, cars, apartments, etc.
6) They also know the big risk they take, STD’S, DRUGS, DRINKING A LOT, SMOKING, etc.

I guess these are acceptable risk to them for that $$ I don’t know.
Most chica’s are very young and just don’t realize or care about the effects of what they are doing.
Who the fuck told these 18-25 year old chica’s they need surgery of any kind to look better.
I see these young chica’s all cut up what the fuck. Yes some are done very well like Edid’s breast WOW.
I know there is nothing I can do to change any thing so I don’t even try.
I go and I meet wonderful people and have a great time in and out side the club.
I know these girls are there to work, but they are people too.
Once you break that shell you get a chance to meet the real person inside.
Now if you do get a chance to meet the real person. I.E. you exchange numbers she calls you and invites you to spend time out side the club, or to her place. Now this is real you have now crossed over you are now a friend. Now you are no longer a $sign to her if you play your cards right you could have a very good friendship. If you are a clown you will get played and sent on your way.


Actually Amy is good friends with Osiris & Edid but does not share their sexual preferences.
Word is Amy will not be around much longer she is very happy with some one special and is on her way out.
Just last week or so Osiris showed Amy a Tiffany bracelet that one her out of club “friends” gave her.
(Which is how a lot of girls make most of their money)
Like a lot of chica’s Osiris has Internet service and showed Amy the Tiffany web site.
On the site the bracelet that Osiris has is in the $5-6G range not wanting to be out done. Amy asked her man for a bracelet & earring set in the $10G range and he go it for her…bling.. bling….
I wish Amy and my friend the best in this adventure that’s know as life.

Another side note Marbel (AB) a friend in that circle of friends is 2 months in out of 9 months. I was sad to hear that because Marbel’s health is not a 100%. In March she was home very ill and in Sept. her mom came to TJ to help care for her. She is a wonderful person I hope all turns out well for her.


P.S. Juliet is looking WOW WOW and really treats me As does all my lovely friends at CC

Life is short so enjoy it to the fullest, live for today, dream of tomorrow, because yesterday is gone.

That’s my $0.02

Jgsx you bring up some very interesting points.
I thought I crossed over and became a friend to one of the chicas you mention in your post(who I won't reveal due to some hombres being scandless and revealing info. to chicas).

I spent some sexless time with her at her place without paying her. Some may laugh but I make this distinction about not paying her to spend time at her place because rich/stupid hombres do it more than most would think. I definetely saw a completely different side of this chica that most of her clients will never get to see(or may not want to see which is a real person and not a piece of meat).

The problem is how good a friend can a chica in this profession be. If a sugar daddy comes you'll most likely be dropped in a split second. This doesn't even take in to account that people know drug users can't be trusted. I guess the best analogy of a working girl with a good heart is Jeckyll and Hyde. The problem I seem to have found out first hand is that when the chica I know runs into problems(family,personal,etc) she turns to alcohol and drugs.

This leads me to the conclusion that a "friendship" with a working girl is much like a romantic involvement with one in the sense that it's destined to fail 99% of the time.

Horndogg
I see things like this.
The big mistake we make after chica opens that door to her life is to try and change it.
How many of these girls are there with no strings?
Married?
Have a kid(s)?
Are supporting their whole family?

After some time there

A kid from a guy from the club?
Drugs?
You get the idea.

I guess 1-1000 is there on her own only there to make money for her own life.
No kid(s)
No need to send money home
Being young like they are most fall into the smoking, drinking, drugs etc.
Just think a young girl starting to make big $$ being able to walk in to a store and
blow 2 G’S on clothes and not think twice about.
Most think they don’t need a guy their independence is important to them.
They are having fun and living a crazy life.


OK say you hook up with a nice 20year old chica and everything is going great.
Now you start think you don’t want her to work any more and want her all to your self.
You start thinking you could take care of her needs and spend all your free time with her.
Oops she has kid back home, Oops she cares for her whole family, Oops there is no way you could support all that. And if you could would you really go that far?

The only thing you can do is set you own limits to what you are willing to accept.
A chica with a kid?
A chica that drinks and or smokes?
A chica that does drugs?

Then find one that fit your needs wants and limits.
If and when you hook up there will be no question’s if she cares about you or not.
If she has any thing to hind or not put all on the table up front.
Treat her the best you can make your time together the best and in time things could work out
But I do agree with you that most of the time things do end. ( 99.9%)
I want to believe I’m past that I now just go with the flow it seems to work very good


Or you could just say fuck it and look at it from this point of view
You like each and have fun together that’s enough enjoy it
Enjoy it with more than one chica no strings needed
Have the best time you can and always be safe

Jgsx

This is a darn good stuff. Post more often.

I too think going with flow is the best way. There are many nuances in this "flow", though. Some chicas are content being in the business. Others look into the way out. There is no single formula.

Hey, next time I bump into you at CC, we will talk more about this.

JGSX wrote "Actually Amy is good friends with Osiris & Edid".

If so, things certainly changed in the past year. Osiris personally told me what she thought about Amy and it wasn't even close to being friendly. Maybe they kissed and made up. Oooh, here comes that hard-on again.

Of course, who can trust anything that any of these chicas ever say? They are in a business with a foundation of deception and they crossed a major life-effecting and psychological barrier to begin to perform the job that they do. The TJ streets are littered with emotional debris from failed monger/chica relationships and according to the famous Tanya (whose opinion I would trust more than any other TJ chica), 99.9% of that emotional debris belongs to mongers, not chicas.

A Be careful kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

JGSX wrote "Amy is not so evil, she is actually a very nice person, as is Juliet. These chica’s are there to make $$$ bottom line."

JGSX, the evil adjective was given to Amy and Juliet because of their performances in the hotel with mongers, NOT because of how they might be in real life. And yes, they are there to make $$ and that's the only bottom line. But ironically, if they worked harder to establish a great reputation and give mongers a fair shake (i.e. a full thirty minutes, etc.), their revenues would explode geometrically. Word would travel on this website pronto, and I would be one of the first posters to highly recommend them. Why don't they do that? One of the main reasons I believe is egoism: they both think that they are so hot now that they feel they can get away with shortchanging mongers (both timewise and servicewise) because more mongers will come anyway due to the "endless sea of mongers" who enter CC.

I knew Amy very well before her operations and I do believe that there's a sweet person buried way down below all the baggage that being a TJ hooker piles on top of you. So I agree with you. And I do hope that she gets out of the business soon before there's too much baggage to dig out from under. The last I heard Amy was seriously dating an AB manager, someone who seems like a really nice guy. I do sincerely wish the best for both of them and their lives.

A Hoping for the best for all involved kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

I've heard Amy isn't working anymore due to finding a sugar daddy(or a couple of them).

It makes me wonder why all CC top tier chicas just don't find a rich sugar daddy or a couple of them.
The chicas would have to put out less and most likely get more in terms of money and gifts.

I guess those that don't find a sugar daddy can't deal with the thought of being owned/a piece of property. This seems like a contradiction when they are selling themselves whenever they work. I guess when the chicas rush you it is their way of asserting "control" and in the process putting less wear on their bodies.

When a client buys you a "10K bracelet" how can you fault a chica for not getting a big ego?
Hmmmm? From $10K to a quick $60 romp in the sack.

It depends on what "sugar daddy" wants from chicas. If there is no string attached with 10K bracelets, no chica would possibly refuse it. But, these presents rarely come without some sort of pretexts, such as marriages.

Then, each chica makes a choice. (1) She accepts the gift under the sincere intention she will marry him. (2) She accepts the gift pretending she will marry him, and then dumps him. (3) She rejects the gift because she does not want to do (2).

A lot of chicas do (2), leading to tons of "debris".

Hey Ootie
Yes if there was a problem between Amy & Osiris (Marbel’s ex-roommate and dancer at CC) now things are in good standings. They spend time together in and out of the club.

You are correct that once they across that line in this job they are fucked.
No matter how much $$ they make or who the meet these chicas lives are going to be fucked up.
I will have to agree with Tanya 99.9% of that emotional debris belongs to mongers, not chicas.
I have seen this first hand the monger was crushed the chicas was right back into the swing of thing shortly after.

More to come of my………………………$0.02 Hey is that a $1.00 yet?

Back again,

Ootie, ok on your second post I have to disagree and agree somewhat.

Ok for a minute put yourself in their shoes.
You’re in a fucked up place for whatever reasons.
You can not make it personal or it just will not work.
For example the first guy that treats you good you would most likely want to spend more with him and that would cut into your bottom line.
So you are cold and the faster a guy finishes the better for your bottom line.
Another point not every guy that goes to TJ treats these girl nice (there are a lot of asshole out there).
So if in their shoes would you really want to treat every guy all that good then add if you are seeing someone out of the club?

Yes egoism is there because they know if you don’t go that a 100 other guys are just waiting to go.

(I.e. a full thirty minutes, etc.) OK this issue starts in the club before you go up end of story.
If you guys don’t know that by now you are not taking the time needed to get what you want.
I see post about having a bad time with a girl about the knock too early all those things are taking care of up front bottom line.

Ootie wrote
“ The last I heard Amy was seriously dating an AB manager, someone who seems like a really nice guy.”
To clear that up she not with the AB manager But they are really good friends.


Not to toot my own horn but I went with Amy only one time and she crushed me I was done quickly (I just finished with one of my favs.not 15min before) there was nothing I could do she was just to good. It was not my normal set up my friend dared me to just walk up to her and say let go (something I never do) She treated me nice I had a good time while it lasted. Other wise I most likely would not have gone with Amy at all.
Juliet I have been with 6 times (last night no-sex just dinner) Juliet is great to me she treats me great and we have had a great time every time so far. WOW Damn I need to start going to my spanish class again.


So it is more of a person to person thing I think if you click with a chica you will be happy.
If there is not much there you will get to say I fucked her……….
I would rather have a great time.

If that's true, whoever bought that ten grand bracelet for her is the biggest pussy of the year. Why threw money on a hooker? If she cares about him she wouldn't ask for so much money from him. What a sucker and loser.

Hey Horndogg,

Haven’t you ever spent the week at your chicas place and it seemed like her roommate had a different guy over every other day? And tells you if she steps out not to answer the phone? Just joking that some of the shit I’ve seen.

Haven’t you ever just kicked it on a Fri. or Sat night and seen top tier chicas just drinking and talking to their friends but not really going up a lot?
One way to look at it is the smarter chicas use the club as a tool to look for and weed out guys that could become someone they see out side the club. Like I said this is the way a lot of chicas make most of their money but not all. I’m not talking a boyfriend just a guy they can work for what ever they can and have a good time too. Then send him off to one of their friends later.


Amy is still working for now but not as much and no more out of club deals.
The guy that got her the bracelet is not a client and is not a sugar daddy.
I would say he is a guy that was in the wrong place at the right time.
You guys might laugh but their relationship is not about $$.
I do wish them the best and who know this could be that 00.1% that makes it.
He is a lucky guy for sure but it is not easy.

What’s up Byron good to see you the other day!
You make a good point.
This was an issue I asked him about.
I told him if he had any question in is mind about this relationship?
If YES take it back if NO give it to her.
He wanted to use it as a symbol of their relationship it was more than her just asking him to buy it.
Trust me he did lay down some let’s call them rules of engagement that they both agreed on.


Hey keep going with the “flow”

antonio9977030 wrote:
"If that's true, whoever bought that ten grand bracelet for her is the biggest pussy of the year. Why threw money on a hooker? If she cares about him she wouldn't ask for so much money from him. What a sucker and loser."

This is an unfair statement. Why? Well, lets say this guy buys her this 10k gift and is truly happy with spending time and money on this girl as any good boyfriend would do. Also the girl loosing income and is willing to sacrifice her lifestyle to be with this guy. In contrast, you get loud mouth monger that thinks he knows "the game" yet has not found the "GFE" and is out 15k this year. Who do you think is the pussy, sucker and looser?

My point being, we all throw money at these "hookers". Some may throw a little at a time while others make that single payment. This is true outside the Zona as well. You buy your wife that pretty 30k car, does that make you a looser? Nah, it makes you a caring husband.

It seems clear that she likes this guy by the reading the previous posts, not working etc.

Maybe the guy knows what he is getting into and how to handle it.

I knew a guy that was crazy about a rather popular Zona girl and bought her a pair of earrings that cost a couple thousand dollars. He had the $$ and it was her birthday, so, well, you know... Well a couple weeks later he picks her up for a date and asks her why she never wears the earrings. The sob story comes out... Somehow they DISAPPEARED. She can't figure out if she dropped them somewhere, misplaced them or maybe someone ripped her off while she wasn't at home.

Same guy was convinced that a (different) girl had worked a scam with a doctor when he went with her to get a diaphragm, supposedly because SHE wanted to stop using condoms with him. The doctor wanted to charge him $800. Already afraid for his life from the possibility of doing a hooker bareback, he smelled bullshit on this one and ran kicking and screaming back to girl #1 above.

He's now married to an (ex?)hooker, and apparently living hapily ever after in So Cal.

These (supposed) scams come with territory, too. Chicas would appreciate all gifts, but from their views, gifts under 1K don't mean much. In other words, they wouldn't feel guilty accepting gifts at that price range from clients/sugar daddies for whom they don't have special feelings. For CC chicas, a $800 bracelet is equal to 2 TLNs. Not a big deal.

When the price of gifts become 2K, 5K and then 10K, even they know their "scams" are getting into a seriuos category. Then, they start thinking about ramifications of accepting gifts (and dumping the guys later). That's when they are faced with making choices I listed above.

Of course, if the chica's feeling toward the gift giver is real, then this transaction is not a scam. The difficulty of this is, only she knows what her "real" feeling is.

It is fashionable for most guys on this board to characterize every chica as a scammer. A small number of guys learned this from their own experiences of being burnt. Others, or the majority who believe the above, simply "read" or "heard" about it. But, if you are never into this type of relationship, there is no way you will understand the underlying dynamics between chicas and guys.

Not all working girls are scammers.

And how many aren't?

only 1 ...Byrons chica

I didn't know that fashionable meant... ok, I'll bite my lip

fash·ion·able 1 : conforming to the custom, fashion , or established mode 2 : of or relating to the world of fashion

The definition 1 describes you to the tee, Snapper. I hope you have nothing to do with the definition 2, heh.

The guys pursuing pros are like investers putting money on dot com companies circa 2002. Generally speaking, it is a bad idea. Every guy who I know dates pro understands it. I waited for 1.5 years until I entered relationship with my chcia. A friend of mine agonized over breaking his rule of never dating a chica.

But, we try to seek the distinction between general and individual prospects. That's what dotcom investors do.