Demanded $$$ (50) up front, then just lay there and slept! I complained to her, the desk clerk, and should have to talked to the bar's management.

Black corn rows, may be her real hair, as she claims. Slender, perhaps 5'4" in heels.

In the mid-70's there was a cool band out of New Orleans, "The Wild Tapachulas." Least, I think they spelled it this way. The last major town, perhaps of any size, on the Pan-American highway southbound in Mexico is Tapachula.

RJ, I am closely acquainted with a BT chica who I call "Elizabeth"...she is the subject of a great and detailed chica report from another Hombre as "Elizabeth" under the Tropical heading. Reading your report I didn't think there was a chance it could be the same girl until I got to your Mexico geography lesson. I assume that Tapachula is in the state of Chiapas? I hope I'm wrong, but if that is so, it is very likely the same chica...how many BT "Elizabet**s" are going to hail from Chiapas?

The Elizabeth I know doesn't have the corn-rows - but you suggested that could be a wig...and corn rows can happen overnight. She's around 18 (I think she's currently giving her age at 19 but she's given to lying about her age since she was underage when she started working in TJ), had been working days - the only time I'm in BT but haven't seen her lately so possible shift to nights. She does have a history of moving from bar to bar (plus a stint on the west sidewalk of Constitucion outside Hotel Rio Nilo), shift to shift. She's pretty fucking adorable but has some acne-type problems lately on her face. Very leggy, and usually wildly and childishly energetic in the bar....she loves silly hombres (como yo) and the silly games they play. Not a shy bone in her body...downstairs or up.

If we are talking about the same chica, you got her sick, stressed, or without sleep for too many days...or you have proven the general worthlesness of chica reports that you covet so much since there are only a handful who give great or horrible service to Tom, Dick and Harry and all of Harry's amigos.

The Elizabeth de Chiapas I know is one of the best and most exciting providers I've ever been with in Tijuana. I have a feeling it is the same chica as your Elizabet.

So much for chica reviews.

Tapachula is in the southwest corner of Chiapas by the Guatemala border. It's about the only other town in Mexico I have spent much time in.

RJ

You're thinking of the Wild Tchoupitoulas.

Reytj

Erip,

Your description sounds "spot-on," from the acne to the wild action downstairs. I believe you are refering to Scarus review. I did not get a BJ, as he did, but don't usually care about them, so don't ask for 'em.

I am pretty certain that I have never claimed that anyone, including myself, are 100% consistent. I do claim that many people are pretty consistent. And that sometimes, we can figure out why one person has a bad time; another, a good one. Given that much of my (and most of our) background is much different from that of most of the women in La Coahuila, it is perhaps a bit of a wonder that I have as many good times as I do.

The apparent thinking of some, that we are just supposed to keep on flocking to the same hoties that are thieves (which I do not want to generalize her as being), and ignore "diamonds in the rough," not taking advantage of others expensively-won experience, just strikes me as absurd and fatalistic.

Whether I caught her when she was truly exhausted, or she took a dislike to me, and decided to rip me off, I do not know. I don't recall asking, "Why are you such a worthless lay?" Or, "Why are you ripping me off?" I did voice my displeasure, though.

Glad to see someone is getting some good out her. While I would not take another chance on her, I imagine that many others will, even after - perhaps especially after - this review. Certainly, many are so much more adept with the women, than I am!

To really cap it off, I had forgotten having been with her for a so-so session a month or so before this. I need to carry my notes around on, for example, a P.D.A. Another reason I rarely drink here - my memory is faulty enough.

Further, my favorita, Cristina, remarked that she'd been informed of my romp. She claimed to not be bothered about it. The time she had actually seen me with another upstairs (while she herself was leading another fellar to the desk clerk!), she had gotten quite upset. Asked me not to do that, when she's working. Otherwise she (jokingly?) invites me to screw all the women there.

I didn't bother to upgrade her list by adding that I had called on Kasumi. I did upgrade CH's list with a review of her. And Cristina.

Chiquito, you are correct, as to where Tapachula is. From a detailed Chiapas map and other sources, I imagine a good deal of city sprinkled along that PanAm Hiway, surrounded by some mountainous jungle largely converted to pasture land. Care to describe this woman's home turf?

Reytj, thanks, again!

(Message edited by avisar on January 18, 2004)

Brief description of Tapachula. Medium size city on fairly flat ground. Hills leading up to mountains to the east. Totally flat out to the coast to the west. Narrow streets mostly one way marked with red or black arrows at each corner to indicate which has right of way. Lots of agriculture but not much pasture. Very tropical with bananas, mangos, coffee, etc. Reminds me a lot of San Jose, Costa Rica, but smaller. Little to no EZLN activity here.

RJ, I have to concede that you are correct that one can find value in a critical mass of chica reviews...I'll be fully confessional and admit to being a hypocrite of Limbaughian proportions as I discovered this chiclette Elizabeth myself pretty much as a product of reading Scarus's review. I guess I didn't get enough Pepto Bismol to suck up the heartburn the morning I posted that.

Or more to the point of just wanting to avoid any further discussion of the real reason that hombre's don't post reports...particularly about bar chicas and most particularly about bar chicas who don't work at AB or CC. I suppose I've just been around too long and can't really handle the same subjects coming up over and over (i.e. you had put out a clarion call for more reviews in general in the chat section that same morning).

Suffice to say that it has now been YEARS since there has been any volume of significant FRESH non-SG chica reporting on this site. It isn't an oversight that causes guys not to post about their club experiences as you seem to imply in some of your requests for reports. Not reporting is now the culture here. Given the culture of the clubs and especially the small clubs, it is unlikely that will change until the club culture does.

I'm not discouraging you because it is a good thing for guys to report if they want to...newbies in particular like to write chica reports and perhaps you can inspire some added report volume.

Anyhow, I am very surprised to hear that you've had multiple negative experiences with Eliz as I would recommend her to the most finicky monger. The only thing I've done to try and stoke this chica's fire is to treat her like a child...be as childish as she is which comes naturally to a Peter Pan like me.

Re Eliz and Chiapas: She's NOT a fan of Commander Marcos...quite the establishment/old guard chica!

Chiquito and Erip, thank you so very much for your replies!

While I suppose some might think it irrelevant, the nature of a person's home place, to me, it's importance is so apparent I won't try to explain. I try working such things into my conversation with people, when trying to get to know them. Likewise, what it is like where I grew up, AZ; and currently live, the San Diego area.

Erip, I do suspect I'm thrashing a horse bound for the glue factory, trying to stir up more reviews. But I did it again today, in my review of Monica - Veracruz - HK - ex-AB. And do so again, in this post.

While I don't wish to tax your patience, or that of others, I am a bit unclear as to the meaning of, "Given the culture of the clubs and especially the small clubs, it is unlikely that will change until the club culture does." What changes do you feel the clubs need to make, to encourage more chica reviews?

The usual fears I hear are that,

(1) "My girlfriend will be getting screwed by my friends/fellow sex lovers."

To which Maximus had one of the best replies: the women are usually not our girlfriends; help them out with more customers, or retire them with an offer of enough $$$ to make it worth their while.

(2) "My favorita (or - and this is where it should get rather self-evidently absurd - 'my favoritaS') will be suddenly swamped if I post/advertise her."

To which, I say, based on my admittedly perhaps rather limited experience, NONSENSE. It has not happened with Cristina de TB; or SG's Veronica de DF, Rosie de GDL, Sandra of the Colon Hotel, or Jennifer of Eduardo, or others whom I've been the first to post on.

There are lots of other "prospectors" out there, plowing through lots of pussies (and hearts and minds), searching for those "diamonds in the rough." The fact that we, who generally speak relatively little Spanish, and are old, fat, and out of condition, are able to find that special amiga (or, often more accuratly, to be found by her) should clue us in: lots of others have found her, and will continue to do so.

No, what I think it comes down to, quite often, is laziness and even more, of greed. Too lazy to write up summary notes immediately after a session, to write up a post, and too stingy to help out others.

Some arguements that I can see the validity of, is that it IS tough to recommend to others, to engage in the most intimate way physically possible, coitus, with a woman with whom we have built up a special bond. All I can say is, be tough, and get over it. And thereby, as said earlier, help her out.

Finally, there is the idea that, "Someone might inform my favorita(S!) of what I said about them." To which I suggest that one should try to anticipate that, and post such notes under a handle that can not be traced to you. Also, review things in such a way that they can not be traced back to you.

I like to write reports. Was doing so, even before I knew of the Redsnake site (of which I was informed, incidentally, by a SG - little did she know that the poster who told her of it wrote a fairly unfavorable review of her!).

Writing helps to solidify thoughts, and to get them out of just rattling around one's head. It helps me to keep track of the 100's I've had the pleasure - and, sometimes, the displeasure - of being with. It helps me to relive, in a fairly inexpensive way ($1+/hour in a TJ internet cafe), expensive pleasures.

Before I knew of Redsnake, I longed for a way to communicate about my experiences here (I'm typing this on 2nd/Constitución, Tijuana). Part of that was a longing for a way to have a consumers' guide to las chicas. That is part of the role of the chica reviews.

Thanks again to both of you, and to those who make the effort to respond to these urgings, whether it be with more arguements against them, or by heeding these calls.

If you write a response to this, please let me know at:

Robert Johnson
avisar2004@yahoo.com

(Message edited by avisar on April 19, 2004)

Nice reports RJ
Keep up the good example.

"All I can say is, be tough, and get over it"

AMEN to that!

Never in my life have I met so many delusional and or pathetic and or selfish mongers as I have in TJ

It is just pathetic to hear some of the stories that I hear about/between many regular TJ mongers and some PLS that post and not post on
TJA(dolescents)

I can't log on to the site but many guys from here are there and the stuff I hear is like a bunch of school girls scratching and biting each other.

These GUYS need to GET A FUCKING LIFE!

These chicas are PAID WHORES and fuck thousands of dudes per year.

What self respecting guy wants to date a fucking whore? Are these guys that desperate for PAID SEX or FRee sex that they fall for a whore and fight over her and think they own her?

Guys who don't post are just pathetic losers and or delusional pussies and or selfish SOBs.

Amen Brother

Can I get a witness?

Maximus, I have read your posts and it seems that you speak almost no spanish, and that your TJ experiences are limited to the fun a monger can have with top tier superhotties in Adelita's and Chicago Club, and inexpensive sperm management with SGs. Thus you rant about the larger family of hobbyists from a viewing platform that offers a rather narrow perspective, and you are way too full of judgement for someone who doesn't have broader ranging experiences and the insight that comes with experience.

TJ is a multi-layered playground and different dudes enjoy different kinds of experiences than you presently are enjoying. Those experiences aren't necessarily better or worse than what you enjoy in TJ, they are just DIFFERENT. Different like meat eating is from being a vegetarian (it's all eating) or like being a baseball fan is from being a tennis fan (it's all sports). There are no rights and wrongs, just a whole range of choices and experiences that all come together in the same physical environment of TJ and are all assigned the inadequate label of "mongering" (no, I don't have a better one). On Wednesday I may do just what you do and feel like writing a report, but on Thursday I may experience something of an entirely different character that compels me to remain silent.

All I can say is that if you develop some spanish ability and start hanging out and communicating significantly with some low volume or no volume chicas who work out of different neighborhoods than you're accustomed to playing in, you will have a broader perspective and maybe feel less inclined to issue such cocksure accusatory rants towards others who are exercising a choice not to "review" based on factors that you currently can't relate to. I am not saying you should do these things if you are currently getting what you want out of TJ, only that you might develop some insights you aren't operating with now.