Best enhanched rack- Vanessa/Cascades Shouldn`t it have been: best MIA since Aug2003 worst useless session enhanched rack??

Saw Sandy working on beautiful Isabele at Cascades entry over the weekend. Told her to go girl, & that I wish my dance card was half as good as hers! She`s done or is in the process of doing all the hotties at the Cascades. Wouldn`t mind watching, let alone participating.

One of the great sights ever would be when Gaby wanders over into the entry way of the Cascades hotel on main street. Seen this line-up filling up the Cascades doorway space on several occassions: Gaby, Mari, Brenda, Monica-hair, & Isabelle. (No wonder Sandy gets all excited). That`ll stop traffic...

Seen a lot of sickly looking SG`s working outside the Najera hotel lately. 'Just say no to drugs' (DARE) should film their next commercial there. That would scare 'em straight. Don`t care to know what they might be inflicted with...strong, scarey stuff. Beware.

Gauntlet thrown down & challenge accepted by these 5 at the Hotel Mini`s entrance: Wendy, Miriam, Yolanda, Veronica, Isabelle (Jaquelyn Ice Queen sometimes). Too close to call the Cascades entry vs the Mini`s entrance. Greatness...both are sights to see & behold for sure!

Lots of returnees today & Sunday. Glad to see familar faces/bods: Jasmine (very popular) Edwaurdo hotel; Gaby at Cascades; Rocio of the Irma hotel; Sandy of the Diamonte hotel on constitution; Wendy of Hotel Mini; Note*Jasmine not blonde for the time being.

Read from Silver today that 1/5th of the top 10 SG`s have left the Famous Cascades entry-way. Assume for R 'n R. They will be sorely missed by one & all: Brenda + Mari. Adelita.

Saw the analogy of "poor side of town" on main street. Cascades side of the street vs the Edwaurdo/Teresa side. The Eddy side girls will cross to use the Cascades, but try to get 1 Casy SG to use the Edwaurdo Hotel (not going to happen). Also most all your 100 peso SG`s work the "poor side of town". The Eddy is on the 'wrong side of the tracks'... All your hotties, Top tens are Casy side. However Esteemed member pointed out "The Queen of SG`s" resides on the wrong side of the tracks, & of course the Famous Ariceli is over there too. Do most mongers criss-cross the street or stay on one side or the other? Do the Eddy side chicas look across the street & think snobs or high society bitches... Do the Casy SG`s look at the Eddy/Teresa chicas as lower class, poor, ect. Don`t know for sure, but I do get that feeling & impression sometimes. I am definately a poor side of town monger living/working the wrong side of the 'tracks'!

Tracks, huh, never though of it that way. For the most part, I agree although there are a few cute girls on the wrong side of the tracks right across from cascades. This might bring up the issue of looks vs. service. Hmm, I wonder if anyone has ever noticed any differences in service in the SGs that stand on the right side vs the wrong side of the tracks?

Brenda and Mari are gone? So sad. Didn't they just reappear from a year long hiatus just a few months back. WTF.

Hi Soc, how goes it? If you or I made what those two "SG Superstars" made since their return- we`d be long gone too! They made a ton of money FAST, so you might find them on a beach in Acapulco. Back when their large stash runs out...Love to both Mari & Brenda.

(Message edited by Jtull1 on January 30, 2004)

Real good "Cat Fight" at the Edwaurdo around 11:00 a.M. today. Sarai vs Sylvia(Cecelia). Went on for a bit. Mostly hair tugging. One brave hombre tried to part them & needed help from 2 others. Looked like Sarai got the worst of it. She was madder (about something) & probally started it. Better than those $50 pay-per view boxing matches!

Hi. Brother monger the wrong side of the tracks definately has the better performers: Edwaurdo + Teresa hotel. Because they have to put out (for the few chances per day & for repeat customers). The 'high society' side has customers lined up whether they put out or not: Cascades + Hotel Mini. I`ve done a lot from both sides. All my money is over on the "poor side of town". My apologies to top performer Sandy who somehow ended up on the 'high society' side of main street. Adelita.

"They will be sorely missed by one & all: Brenda + Mari. Adelita"

Not by me.
I was very happy to see them go and wish Mari was staying away longer.

As long as Mari is not around there is more peace in the Cascadas lobby for me.
I had a good time Sunday night chatting with my amigo since she was not around.

Cascadas entrance still rules.

Those mini girls you mentioned would win if it were based on most weight.
JIQ (Jaquelynn Ice queen) is the only thin one of those five at the mini.

It sounds like Brenda's gone permanently?

A She might be forgotten quickly if Ariceli comes back soon kind of guy,

Ootie

Unfortunately, BRenda and Mari will be back next week. It's just a short vacation.

Brenda will NOT be forgotten if/when the Queen returnth. Brenda is near the top of any top ten Sg list for looks/body/performance. Ariceli is only on the top ten performance list. Brenda is a 'major player & popular attraction' for sure. Huge fanclub base. Adelita.

"Brenda is near the top of any top ten Sg list for looks/body/performance"

Myself and several monger friends disagree.
She is not on my top ten list nor on the top ten list of my friends.

and I know someone who crossed her off his list entirely.

Brenda may be a top performer but she is a top liar as well.

She is not on any top ten list of any monger who likes thin chicas with no gut and no fat ass.

Brenda has a huge roll around her gut and has ugly droopy tits.

I don't think her body is good at all.

your opinion is fine but I am just adding another perspective since you did say
"any" "top ten list"




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(Message edited by maximus743 on February 04, 2004)

Brenda was back working today. Looking as beautiful as ever. I came down from Caliente and as soon as we made eye contact. She gave me a radiant smile and that was all it took for me to return a smile back at her despite my moodiness at the time due to a tough loss in the NBA.

I went over and had a nice chat with her. Anyway, the next 10 times I came down from Caliente for a break. She was not at her post 9 times.

It was a very slow Tuesday night. Not too many monger on the street. Apparently she is still very popular.

Take care, silver

9 outta 10 times? That whoosing sound was Brenda sucking in all the available monger money on a lousy Weds. evening. Apparently then on 'most' top ten SG lists- including liar. She`s one of the few SG`s who could draw big money in AB/CC. No sign of her 'partner' Mari?

The night was met with a sporadic drizzling rain. Outside of Isabel. There was no competition at all in front of the Cascadas entry way and surrounding area. She was by far the most busy girl that night.

As for Mari... she was back in town and will report to work today.

Take care, silver

"As for Mari... she was back in town and will report to work today. "

Thanks for the bad news on a what has already been one of the worst days for me in years.

In response to Silver's great report under superstar Sonia de Veracruz's thread, Otrohombre asked:

"So why does this lady not work in a club? It would surely be a lot safer."

I've been meaning to do a detailed post about why I think the ultra-hottie SGs and otherwise popular SGs remain outside, and this is the place to do it as opposed to the Sonia thread:

Sonia is the finest of them all IMO, but she is just one of a couple of dozen SGs who could compete with the best of them in the clubs. So, why are these chicas standing out in the dark cold night?

1. They want to be their own bosses...set their own days and hours - not have to put up with a manager's rules and sexual harassment (not to mention the bad behavior of many meseros);

2. Many don't want to be around alcohol and drinkers;

3. The T & A Factor: One thing the SGs have in common is the desire to do room business in volume. This is only emulated among club girls in AB and CC whereas the other clubs tend to be more like dance halls/hostess bars with girls doing more drinking and dancing with customers than fucking them. The common perception among SGs (and small bar chicas as well) is that AB/CC chicas mostly sport abundant tits and asses (real or fake), whereas the SGs tend to be far less amply endowed. Thus, they think they need surgical enhancement to be noticed by all you tits & ass guys in the high volume bars like AB/CC, while the non-siliconized clubs like Tropical, LC, Miami, et al. are low volume hotel sessions for most of the chicas.

But the NUMBER ONE REASON (IMO)...

4. They don't want to drink with YOU & ME...i.e. they desire to strip their duties down to the basics (if not their clothes), and not have to put up with dozens of PLs who want to be, or think they are the chicas' novios. The street scene (and usually street sessions) is a million percent more impersonal than the club scene and much less likely to feed the fantasies of delusionary mongers.

5. So generally speaking the SGs desire a less personal/intimate encounter (the sex isn't preceded by long periods of dancing, groping and fake romance downstairs), and similarly, they are less open and sophisticated about sex then the high volume club girls...they don't want to provide the full array of services and more personal intimacies that they know will be expected of them by most gringos paying $50-60 for 30 minutes at AB. They want to be just what they are...the commercial sex equivalent of fast food.

I recognize that the influx of more attractive SGs over the last few years along with internet acquired savvy and Spanish study is bringing more gringo sidewalk Romeos outside...and they are endeavoring to work their seductive magic on these simple girls and break them down. Evolution is taking place on the streets and things will change gradually to at least a limited extent.

Btw, I wouldn't totally agree with your premise that safety is that much of an issue for these chicas in choosing where to work...though physical comfort and boredom certainly are.

(Message edited by erip on February 05, 2004)

Greatest "Sg contrast" is when Monica-Woman is standing next to little Miriam. (Cascades chicas). Especially when Miriam is in her schoolgirl outfit playing like she is 15, & Monica-Woman is dressed in her Playmate outfit! Who is doing BOTH chicas I wonder? Runner-up might be Connie next to sweet, small, young Monica near the Edwaurdo hotel`s entry. Shake your head and smile/laugh at the huge diff. in available SG choices.

Jtull1,
What playmate outfit is that?

Erip
I disagree with number #4 since there are already many SGs relationships real and imagined and not nearly the discrepancy you point out.
As a matter of fact I routinely get GFE from SGs but hardly ever from AB hotties.
I also feel I have a much stronger connection with the Sgs then the AB hotties even though I am still usually only turned on by the AB hotties aside form certain SGs I am very close too.

I have to go with Erip on this one. I've thawed and melted my share of club ice queens, but I still hit the wall when it comes to the few SGs I find attractive.

The impersonal attitude I've usually experienced on the street is a huge turn off for me. I regularly have girls holding my hand or thigh and laughing and smiling over a casual and comfortable drink in AB/CC or other bars, but it seems to be an exercise in futility for me to try to talk to a SG w/o being asked upstairs within the first minute.

Could be that I'm just too FOBU for the SGs, but I do relatively well in the clubs.

When people think of club, they think of ABs because it's the most famous, but it's unfair to label club girls as non-GFE due to this one club which imo doesn't represent how most bar girls typically behave. Clearly, ABs girls differ service-wise to girls from miami, BT, LC, HK, etc.

In my eyes, the hotties in AB are no different than the high volume ice queen type SGs. In fact, they are worse as a product of their environment. They'd rather do upstairs, do the deed, get paid, and move onto the next customer much like the average SG and new client interaction. Go in any busy weekend and see for yourself. The problem arise from the environment. When the AB hottie central club girls are done upstairs, they have to go back into the bar and juggle, being firtatious to new potential client, while giving the old customers a clear message of 'hey, i'm working so don't pussy block me unless you want to take me up again'. In other words, get lost.

imo, getting better service than other with these more popular ones whether they are indoors or streetside, is predicated opon the amount of time you put in and your interaction with them. If you roll up and pop the question 'fucky sucky, let's go'. THen in the room, throw the money on the bed, and disrobe immediately all in a business like manner, then of course they will respond similarly. Many may not intentionally do this, but since there is very getting to know you time in the streets for the vast majority, this type of behavior just naturally dominates. It's all about cultivating and putting in a certain amount of time as a repeat customer. For many hobbyist, this is too much effort, especially for a SG. Not only that, they don't think it's worth the time investment since they are unsure of the outcome, not hearing about GFE in SGs typically. To the club guys, there are stunner SGs, it's just maybe you don't see them as such because of bad association with SGs overall whether it be by word of mouth or from personal experience.

Change your approach and see how they respond. Just keep in the back of your mind the words, ymmv.

Erip,

I loved your analysis and especially reason #4. I think that for the vast majority of the street girls keeping intact the impersonality of the street encounter is psychologically important to them because we will then remain a shadowy, faceless entity in a vague memory. They need our money but not us in their personal life and they will strive to keep it that way. There are many gringos who would like some personal(emotional)intimacy with these SGs. I know looney guys like this, in fact, I am one of these guys. (yuck)

There are exceptions though as last year to the week exactly I was in Puebla visiting a street girl who I met in the zona norte two years ago. It was a 'sweet and sour experience' for many reasons though it will be a cold day in Puebla before I do this again the memories are not all bad and I learned a lot.

By the way, Sonia told me in June of last year that she was thinking of working in the Chicago Club. I'm sure many or all of Erip's analysis points were deciding factors in her decision not to make the switch. Sonia's street clientele is vast and growing including a recent addition of the army of the people's republic of china and the New York Yankees as well have come on board and Steinbrenner has signed her to a very lucrative contract. With this huge pool to choose from why would she opt for just a few guys from this dinky little Chicago Club.

It is true that the two categories of chicas in TJ who are most likely to provide impersonal service are the SGs with many of the AB/CC chicas not far behind as Soc69 says. It is a totally different story in the other bars...sometimes overbalanced in the other direction. I nearly posted the ironic inquiry last week..."Why is it that it is easier for an overweight middle aged (or OLD) monger to find a beautiful absurdly young girlfriend or wife in Tijuana than a really good blowjob?". I would have been referring to the chicas who work in clubs aside from AB/CC. What those "relationships" are really all about is a whole other question and I'm not looking to open up that Pandora's Box.

As I've posted before, it is not by accident that we have a tremendously higher quantity of chica reports on this site pertaining to SGs and AB/CC chicas than from Trop/LC/Miami/La Tropa, et al. The elements at play in those bars create a monger state of mind that motivates most regular patrons to remain tight lipped about their experiences...experiences that seem to go beyond mere "service". Cande/Candi/Candy at AB gives "simulated GFE"...she does whatever you want - but it still feels like service in the end.

Still, it basically comes down to opportunity, and frequent exposure equals opportunity. Yeah you can mine the human warmth and GFE potential of SGs and AB chicas...so long as you are regularly in front of them (as you are Maximus) - they get to know you and trust you and know that you're not a casual player. It has got to be plainly obvious that the bars facilitate a "getting to know you" period at an accelerated rate that the streets do not, and foster a "bonding" that standing shoulder to bangs with a chica in front of Tres Garcias restaurant does not lend itself to easily.

So for the CASUAL visitor to the alley, or to AB, a GFE is much less likely to be the default mode for a session than in the other bars.

I think you can group the readers of this site 3 ways: rare visitors who enjoy reading the posts for vicarious thrills and trip preparation; casual hobbyists (the majority); and lifestylers (if you are spending better than 50% of your free-time activities hanging out in TJ, you are a lifestyler). The lifestylers have enough exposure, opportunities and knowledge to paint whatever picture they want to be a part of in any sector of chica market in TJ (including outside the zona norte).

My post about SGs offering the most impersonal experiences and having PL avoidance be an actual primary motivation for their choice to work the streets is directed to newbies and casual hobbyists - I realize that the alley cats know how to get over or under the fences.

Lancer, that would be something to walk into CC and see Sonia sitting there. I can't see her being happy over there unless she could bring in appreciably more money which as you suggest, is highly questionable.

Btw, my most recent favorita at CC was a former street girl who decided to come inside. She was well adapted to CC very quickly...EXCEPT, she ended up returning to the street after a few months because at least one regular in CC had a notion that he was her novio (I think it may have been more than 1 guy actually). Anyhow, he/they wouldn't leave her alone and so she felt compelled to escape back to the alley where she felt it would be more difficult for he/them to try and hang out with her constantly. It is a fucken ridiculous world!

Erip wrote: "I realize that the alley cats know how to get over or under the fences. "

LOL!
I know one thing for sure and that is that you are a good writer and should do it for a living.

I am a casual hobbyist (three times a month)but
I am in AB often enough that several chicas know me by name but I have yet to get GFE from any hotties.
Sure some girls will hold my hand going up or rub me while having a drink but none have ever attempted to kiss me on their own so I am forced to say it is still easier for me to get GFE from a SG than a AB hottie. And we all know I love the AB hotties.

Erip: "I realize that the alley cats know how to get over or under the fences."

Nice.

"The elements at play in those bars create a monger state of mind that motivates most regular patrons to remain tight lipped about their experiences...experiences that seem to go beyond mere "service".

Yes, that goes with any p4p arena, including the SGs; actually especially if you're an alley cat. For instance, if you report GFE to the max with a SG beauty that is reknown for being an ice-queen, it'll most likely result in accusations of untruthfulness rather than praise. It also puts your relationship with that SG at risk, as others might bring up your experience with her in the attempts to get more servicing, more so if she's use to being rather cold with others.
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Maxi: "it is still easier for me to get GFE from a SG than a AB hottie. And we all know I love the AB hotties."

That's because you have super high standards for looks, especially in AB. Regarless, I still think your point stands as stated in my previous post.

That said, here are some things to ponder:
If you took the least attractive SG that you're having GFE with on a regular basis, then find someone similar in looks at ABs, you might have a better luck.

Another point, are you getting GFE for the typical $20 or whatever their quoted baseline price is? What percentage do you pay over that baseline for SGs. Does it match the percentage you pay over baseline for the AB hotties that hold firm at $60.

The club atmosphere also plays a big part. People are more likely to talk and gossip vs. in the street, where it's more of an independent thing in most cases.

Timing is always something to consider. Are you seeing one group during their busiest time and another group during their downtime?

I saw Former Mini hotel hottie Yolanda today.

Man has she porked out.

Fat face and huge gut and hips compared to months ago.

SHe clearly plummets off any top ten sg list
definitely off mine.

Jtull1
You may want to take a poll and see if you should change your description of her in your roll call reports.

But then again you think Gabby and Miriam at mini
are hotties so its your report so you do what you want. Even your idol does not have them on his list.

mmm...I would not call Gaby a hottie...doable is more like it.

Tull,

I was with a Maricella today...from Tabasco? She is a bit heavy, not too much. Nice face, b boobs, black shoulder lenght hair, look older than 20.

I got the 100 quote and got multiple positions. Lots of sound effects, etc. No rush.

I am wondering if same chick since she claims that she just got into town last Fri. Location same as you described.(this comment added to previous Maricella enty)

I also met with Sofia, 100, (Eduardo) I think she may not be a regular but you would know better than I do. At any rate, what a nice pussy that was. She got super wet, but she really was not into it. Would do her again for the look however.

I did another girl, the name escapes me right now, starts with C, in front of Odissea. Very pretty, nice spinner action, very nice looking pussy/waist/legs but man...she was not even snug. There is no way this girl was older than 19 and i do not think she has any kids...bummer. I usually do not have that problem and that I got it with her bumms me out. May have to do her one more time though.

Last time I saw Yolanda a couple weeks ago I thought she was still pretty, but she's going down in looks everytime I see her. She needs to exercise! But yes, if just asked hot or not I would say yes compared to most chicas on the street.

I would call Gabby at Mini hot too, I don't know who Miriam is. Jaquiline is hot until you see her scowl, then she looks pure evil. Gabby has a very sweet and seductive smile.

I saw a really hot looking chica named Monica at Mini. Anyone know her?

I think they are talking about Gaby by HK.

I'll take either Gaby for $20-$25 and be very happy about it, but I would rather take Brenda who I think is a total babe. How about Andrea in front of Miami, she has really nice eyes!

Her eyes aren't the only things that are nice. She got a great smile as well.

Returnee of the week was Sergio/Yadira Edwaurdo. One of the best ASS on the street- daytime. Stands just to left of Caliente entry. Short red hair.

Don`t know if this will make SG mongers feel any better, but they did extensive health card checks everyday this past week. Arresting quite a few SG`s and fining them either $50 or $100. Two searches were mornings & one search was afternoon.

Saw a chica out front of the Rio Nileo Hotel today. I thought there is no way she is one...Well she is. One of the most out of place SG chicas I`ve ever seen. Doubt she`ll last long so... Vanessa =21= has one two year old boy. Works days. No make-up. Wonder where she came from & what/who inspired her to work as a "provider"? Adelita.

Jtull

You know the girls so how about telling us who got busted.

Reytj

Is Vanessa good looking or good bod?

Intersting thread. My humble theory is that you pay the girl and she is at least going to fuck you or something similar. She CAN give you more if she WANTS TO. The game is getting her to WANT TO. I seem to have an easy time (most of the time) getting a bit more than laid. I take the girl for longer than 15 minutes (always), spend a bit of time chatting on the street or in the club and I won't go with anyone I'm not comfortable with or who I feel is not comfortable with me.

Now, this might not work for everyone because not everyone is looking for GFE from a SW or AB Girl etc, some of us just want to get laid. But I learned that something more is possible and for me it is desireable to have that. Am I making sense?

I always had less than a happy ending if I didn't spend at least a few minutes with the girl, did a poor job negotiating, wasn't comfortable downstairs or if she wasn't comfortable downstairs. Now none of are are looking for a life partner here but no harm in being as comfortable as you can with the situation right?

Do any of you go with the SG from the hotel MIni?Just wonderen because all I hear about is cascadas and other places.One more thing is everybody still try to boycott cascadas for the price increases?

Concerning Cascadas, the boycott is slowly taking hold, even some of the anti-boycott guys have stopped going there, since it is quite irksome to have to pay some guy extra cash every time you bring a chica up to the room.

I held firm. . . . .
with Monica and the other girls at Cascades yesterday during AlleyKey 11. I told them I would not go to Cascades and even the one I did boink, I made sure she was NOT a Cascades girl.

Beware that some of the Cascades girls will "roam" a bit in order to give you the idea that they are not Cascades girls. This seems to be taking hold as per Explorers post. ALWAYS ASK, THEN REFUSE. We shall overcum.

Sondra de Puebla is back for any of her fans. She's been AWOL for a couple of years but returned the end of April. Short, big tits, jet black hair (now) uses Cuartos Teresa.

Stands just to the West of Hong Kong in that step down area in front of the mini market. Seems to have copped an attitude. No room reports from this monger.

Karen is back in front of Odissea...says she will take another vacation at the beginning of June.

Got the $9 special and she took it like a trooper despite extra hard grinding....all my running and weight lifting is paying off in prep for my Thai trip...

Did Aracely too...not much care for her face but what a tight ass and legs and she is playful.

Also did a newcomer whos name escapes me but she reminded me a bit of Sonia back two years back when she was still fresh...

Check out the Cascadas girls and blew them off...one look mighty tasty but would not go somewhere else so I told her I was not going into the C...and the saved money goes into the Thai trip piggy bank.

Concarne

I think you and CountryJohn are the only ones boycotting the short time rooms at Cascadas. I believe Explorer the monger who initiated the boycott has even said they were never intended to be included.

In any case you're not going to find too many $9 specials at Cascadas so it may be a moot point.

Reytj