I got back from TJ about a week ago and I've been thinking about my experiences and the experiences of those who post here on the board. This is in no way intended to slam anyone in anyway what-
soever, rather to hopefully help all of us in dealing with these women.

I guess with me, I have been very fortunate in my dealing with these women. I have very rarely had a disapointing time in TJ or Nogi. I credit the fact that I'm hispanic (I believe there is a comfort level)in dealing with thier "own kind" for these women. Another plus for me is that I can speak to them in thier native tongue.

Another thing I do, which I'm sure alot of others do is I dont necessarily go for the hottest chica (trophy fuck). As I go more for the attitude. There is no foolproof system and it will never be 100% accurate, its more instincts and ability to read a person. Last week, even though I ended up buying several ficha drinks for various girls, I did not buy one single drink for any of the girls that I went upstairs with, and I had very willing and accomodating partners. Which brings me to this conclusion.

At the same time we are sizing the girls up as to the compatability in the cama. They are also sizing us up. Let me say this again "THEY ARE SIZING US UP"!!! Not as to whether or not we are good in bed or if we have a big penis. Rather whether we are push-overs or nice guys, whereby they can get away with certain bullshit.
Such as "feenish now", "teep", "dont touch me", the list is endless, isn't it?

It all comes down to respect. The girls will obviously go up with any dude that has $40-$60, however, the guy that represents himself in a way the girls can respect, whether you are a funny guy, a good looking guy, a tough guy, a money guy, a together guy, a daty guy(lol), or whatever your talent might be, you should be able to get a good time, MOST of the time. Ofcourse YMMV.

Just remember you are dealing with hardened pros. They know all the tricks in the book, and they arent afraid to use them. By the same token, show them you have no fear, nor are you intimidated by them and be prepared to call them on their shit. They might not like you "in the moment", but they will respect you in the future.

But then again, what the hell do I know?(lol) Y'all can feel free to add your $.02 worth. If you have a differing view or you want to add on to what I've stated, feel free. As I said, my intention is to help other "hombres" have better times arriba.

Happy mongering

>>>I guess with me, I have been very fortunate in my dealing with these women. I have very rarely had a disapointing time in TJ or Nogi. I credit the fact that I'm hispanic (I believe there is a comfort level)in dealing with thier "own kind" for these women.

There's always a certain level of comfort provided by being around one's "own kind".

>>>Another plus for me is that I can speak to them in thier native tongue.

That's an interesting one. No doubt one has to communicate to some extent to build rappor. But not all communication is verbal. I only speak a little Spanish. And the reactions I get are varied. Some girls love helping gringos like me who want to speak Spanish, and are working at it. Some gals like to practice their English. On the other hand, some are just fucking annoyed by this idiot who's too stupid to be able to talk. But that's a self-correcting problem, since it quickly becomes clear they want to move on and I let them. No need to ruin my night when there are plenty of the more accomodating gals out there.

>>>Another thing I do, which I'm sure alot of others do is I dont necessarily go for the hottest chica (trophy fuck). As I go more for the attitude.

Absolutely key for me in having a good time. If I were going to do a trophy fuck, it would be a closet quickie. But that's not what I really like.

>>>At the same time we are sizing the girls up as to the compatability in the cama. They are also sizing us up. Let me say this again "THEY ARE SIZING US UP"!!! Not as to whether or not we are good in bed or if we have a big penis. Rather whether we are push-overs or nice guys, whereby they can get away with certain bullshit.

Anyone you meet for the first time is sizing you up. The chicas just have different objectives than your casual acquaintance. For most chicas, there seem to be two main ones: 1) can I make money off this guy (and how much), and 2) am I, the chica, safe with this guy, or is he some sort of psycho?

>>>It all comes down to respect.

"Treat a lady like a whore, and a whore like a lady." Merely treating them like a lady will show more respect than these girls seem to get from most guys. If all you're looking for is a good time for one night, having them respect you isn't terribly important. I think it goes without saying that for anything more, respect from both sides is crucial.

>>>Just remember you are dealing with hardened pros. They know all the tricks in the book, and they arent afraid to use them.

JD, my roommate in Phoenix is a long time dancer in the US. I've met lots of her friends, along with developing lots of friendships with other club gals. I think you'd be surprised at what non-professionals most of these girls are. Most are definitely out to make a buck. But you'd be surprised at how many are still completely insecure "little girls".

Just my 2¢ worth...

Hey Phxguy,

I thank you for your comments and believe they are valid and true to your experience. As for my comments, they were very generalized, and of course there are always exceptions to every rule.

My intent was not to make a final determination as to how to handle these "TJ" women, but an opening gambit which will hopefully lead to an extended and insightful dialogue among the hombre familia.

Perhaps others will share their strategies and techniques in dealing with the girls. And by the same token I'm sure there will be some hombres that will want no part of this discussion. (some won't want to give away their trade secrets)
and thats ok too......

regards