These bar girls are there in T.J. to make a living. Most have children that boyfriend/husband left for them to take care of.
Most are addicted to the money, the sex, and the drugs. Most are having unprotected sex with their multiple novias, amercian and mexican. Most have had sex with each other -- yes, bisexual expericences. Most have gotten so used to lying that they now believe their own lies.
Most could not make anywhere near the money doing something else. Most do not workout or eat healthy. Most are whores and most should be treated that way.
And most is about 90% of these girls.

Pollo
That's what I said, I just was not as blunt about it.

"...most is about 90% of these girls."

Ah, but that special 10% makes up for all the little losses. ;o)

Regards,
RickFeliz

...and, so far, that 10% has been less than 1% of my diet. Now, back to the mall ...

The danger is a few of that special 10% may wreck some mongers. I wonder how many mongers spend way more than they plan to spend and get themselves in trouble looking for that garden of eden. Talk about the thrill of the hunt.

More likely, the 10% will turn out to be members of the 90%, and charm away your financial assets.

"More likely, the 10% will turn out to be members of the 90%, and charm away your financial assets."

Which is why the number one rule is CUT YOUR LOSSES SHORT. Operate under the general expectation that she's hustling you and one of the 90%. If you discover that she is by keeping your eyes on the money, cut your losses short and move on.

It's a balancing act. Assume the worst but be open for the best. At the same time you're being skeptical, keep your eyes and ears open for the possibility that she may be that 1 out of 10 that makes it all worth while.

Regards,
RickFeliz

Hey Pollo,

How 'bout this... Even is she IS a hard core "whore" like you say why dont you act like a gentleman and treat her well anyway? So she's from a poor country, never had the opportunities we had and she took a route that give her and her kids the best life. Is it a wonder with the attitude of some people here that there are so many hard cores? I just think its best to always be a gentleman, even when dealing with a real witch. You dont gain anything by lowering yourself to anothers level. Actually, you lose.

And id put money on something else... Whatever the % of hard cores to good ones I'll bet if a gentleman and a jerk have the same 100 girls the gentleman ends up with way fewer hardcores. Amazing huh?

I agree. I always try to treat them with courtesy, even if I'm running like hell in the other direction, I don't call names, accuse, or categorize. I just keep moving.

Pauncho

They may be "whores", but they are also human beings. As Dapple pointed out many of them are doing whatever it takes to make a decent life for their children. They aren't exactly given alot of opportunities other than their current profession. I happen to think it is quite admirable that some of these ladies are willing to do whatever it takes to make a living. Us men have so many opportunities tossed our way that we take a good living for granted. Almost all of us have been sent through alot of school by our parents and society and if you can keep a clear head and are willing to work hard, you almost can't fail to do OK. These women on the other hand come from a society where most of them have had terrible things happen to them, education opportunity is limited at best, and as in most countries in the world they are second class to men. These ladies we deal with are smart enough to find employment making more than 90% of the men in their country...hell, alot of them make more than me. Yes they have honed their skills to extract the maximum $ from their customers, but isn't that what any good salesman is supposed to do?
Viva las chicas!!!

I have recently been made aware of what kind of lifestyle a certain working girl leads. Let me just say, It's tough. For whatever reason, this 25 year old girl I know ended up single with 3 kids. The first of which she had when she was about 16 or so and the most recent about 7 months ago. The general observations on this board are pretty much true....they live out of a bag, work mainly to provide a decent life (??) for their kids, do not own anything like a car, house or anything with real value. Most of their money goes into getting to and from work on taxi cabs, buses, etc, and child care. What a life!!! They pawn small valuables when times are tough and still show up every day with a smile on their face. They have no insurance, no retirement plan, and virtually no clue of what tomorrow brings (good or bad). The amazing part is that this one specific girl will never cheat or steal anyones money. I'm sure there are plenty out there that will steal and cheat, but I bet there's a good percentage out there like this girl.
They look forward to some prince charming coming along and sweeping them off their feet (possibly how they end up with kids in the first place) and are way too trusting for this world.
Sorry to sound soft, but it's an observation that I thought would be worth sharing.

You don't sound soft. Don't ever apologize for having compassion, it's what makes you human.

It seems (in IMHO) that among the bullshit stories that chicas have, that two are omnipresent:
1. My kid's school expenses have to be paid up-front.
2. My mother has cancer.
After having been suckered out of money many times, either I've become hardened, or I've heard most of them. I gotten to the point that I answer "Que triste" (how sad) and go on to the next subject.

Senor Pauncho

OOPS. I left out "I need rent money/My rent is late".

Pauncho

Then there are the hard core putas that are raking it in and doing ok. Take the famous Betty of CC (Chiapas). She has apartments in Chiapas. She is the pro of sluts IMHO. She'll do about anything you want and has that jelousy act. I don't think she acts pissed off if you go with anther chica she really is because that's money out of her pocket. She is a pro of a whore but she is quite hoot.

My favorita tried to tell me (so I would feel sorry for her & cough up some bucks) the following: (Remember I've previously been Tijuana's biggest sucker - See "A Fool & His Money Are Soon Parted".)

1. Her kids that go to an "escuela gobierno" (public school - 1 in secondaria & 1 in prepatoria) have to pay "monthly tuition of from U$ 60.00 to U$ 85.00 per month.

2. Her oldest - in order to attend school - must buy two "sports uniforms" bearing the school logo (& therefore unique) or they won't let him attend school. And she has to buy them from the school at about U$ 75.00 per outfit.

She lives in Rosarito. This sounds like unmitigated bullshit to me, but I would like to ask: Do parents have to pay "tuition" to attend public school in Rosarito ? Have to buy special gym clothes" that cost more than I thought most mexicans could afford ? I'm looking for answers from someone who knows, rather than just opinions. Thanks.

Pauncho

Her story may be true. Certainly, there are costs associated with sending children to school in Mexico.

The issue isn't whether she must come up with the money, the issue is why she is hitting *you* up for money to solve her problems, when she probably makes more than you do.

$75 is WAY to much for the school uniform, try around 150 pesos.

Are you sure she's sending her kids to a "public" school? Those prices are more in line with a private school. The public schools are much cheaper to attended (or free) and tend to be very over crowded, the main expense is books (around 10 bucks).

I have heard from a couple of sources (non-prostitute) that there is no free education in Mexico. Whether public or private, in order to send a child to grade school or high school, the family must provide all costs which does include some tuition, as well as other expenses. This presumably helps to explain why the lower socioeconomic class in Mexico often has little to no formal education. I do not have a single clue what a ballpark figure for these various costs is.

One source was a Mexican national who grew up in Mexico city and raised a son and daughter there until emigrating to US six years ago. Another source was a discussion among some coworkers all of whom were Mexican-Americans born here but very familiar with culture south of the border.

So, your fav's claims have the ring of truth, although she may be padding the figures as others have suggested.

I double checked with my "source", she attended prepatoria and secondaria in Mexico at a public school several years ago. In her case the only tuition fee was a monthly fair where the parents would bring foods and other goods (something like a bake sale) and all the proceeds would go to the school. She said her main expense was books. This was in a very poor farming community, maybe it varies area to area. She also said those prices (60.00 to U$ 85.00 per month) were right in line for a private school.

Shy_Guy, that is in line with what I have heard multiple times as well.

toehead

sports uniforms ARE expensive -- not 150 pesos ?
if you were talking " school clothes " they can average around 25 to 50 for the whole outfit give or take.

just go to constitution and check for yourself.

if 150 pesos is what the school is selling them for - i would have no idea on that but why would hundreds of kids be buying their outfits for twice that at these clothing stores ?

i have shopped with girlfriends that have bought their brothers or sisters clothes here.

milkman

Sigh

Look, I was only trying to help out Mr Pauncho and give him a general idea of what things cost. Unlike a good amount of the information on this site mine wasn't heresy gathered from some favorita. These were the actual prices my source, who also happens to be my wife, paid for her sports uniform, her school uniform, her books AND her tuition at the public school she attended in Michoacon in the mid/late 90's. Like I said, I'm sure the prices are going to vary depending on the area and would suspect the cost of the clothes, just like the cost of tuition, are going to vary from region to region depending on what the local community can bear. In addition where one shops for these items is going to make a huge difference in their cost..I can guarantee you that if a gringo takes a chica shopping she's not going to be hitting the thrift stores. The prices Mr Paunchos favorita said she was paying for a PUBLIC school sounded far to high and were in line with what two of my wifes amigas were paying for a PRIVATE school in Tecate. The point I was trying to make was that the prices Mr Pauncho's favorita quoted sounded much too high for a Public school regardless of the area.

HAH!

Toehead,

This is a lot like that old exercise of whispering something in the ear of one person, having it go around the room and it eventually bears very little resemblance to the original message.

Don't sweat it, selective perception isn't endemic around here....but it sure is popular.

I don't know exactly what the private schools cost, but I do know that the cost of private schools in Mexico vary much more widely than in the U.S. Some are only a little more expensive than public schools, and at the other extreme, some cost several thousand dollars a year. There are also two types of public primary schools in Tijuana. Some are run by the state, some by the city. One is more expensive than the other, but I am not sure which it is. I agree that $60 - $85 is way too much for any public school, if that is per child. If that is the total for 3 or more kids, maybe not. The $75 per uniform, however, I would never believe of any public school.

Thanks everybody. My favorita definitely said "escuelas de gobierno".(Amazingly, SOME mexicans use the term "Escuelas Publicas" to denote "private schools K-12" and "Escuelas Privadas" to mean "Private colleges". It's obvious she was lying her ass off. Que triste. I was beginning to like her. I'll continue to see her as her "price to service" factor is quite favorable. But I'll never trust her again.
Pauncho

hey pauncho

your favorita ?
is this a real girlfriend or a zona girl
if she is a zona girl - be well prepared for my grilling verbal attack on her - not you
i hate to see my amigos getting taken by these whores

i dated a ficha girl for around 6 months that roomed with some adelita girls - boy i could tell you some stories

milkman

hi

my bad
i didnt read your new message fully
since she is a zona girl i will email you directly on this.
most guys would need kleenex if they would see my post on these chicas and scams
i think most already know and would agree with me

milkman - i leave no whore unturned

To milkman - Do you need my e-mail address ?

General - I have been super scammed more than once or twice, but these experiences have hardened me somewhat. Yes, she's a "outer fringes or beyond - zona girl" Simply not pretty enough to compete in the zone, she's a "commodity provider" type of girl - For me at least (and I'm no catch other than being a stupid fat old american (in their eyes - In mine I'm still 18 except for my dick). I have never paid her more than 300 pesos/hour (todas - sin ropa). I pretty much always bring her U$10-20 worth of stuff from the 99 cent store, but the only time I give her extra money is when I get extra time. There is no possibility of extra services, as I already get it all. We spend 2 or 3 hours together twice a week. Exception, on her birthday I paid her for the whole day together (9 hours) so I paid her about U$300 that day. But never since. On request she gives a massage - just like I like it (non-sexual, but after screwing for a couple of hours what else could I do), and we talk a lot. Ive enjoyed her and I am really sorry to find out she's been lying to me. (Although I have suspected from her stories on other subjects - see CHICA BS & Scams). Oh well.

Pauncho

Oh yeh, she was talking about what I call "Gym Clothes" (ropa de deportes) which had the school emblem on them and couldn't be bought elsewhere than the school. So we're talking 700 pesos per set for "sports uniform" (gym clothes" excluding schoes. That's why it seemed so excessive. She dorsn't ASK me for the money, it's just that when I ask her how she is, it's always "worried - (sick relative, gym clothes, it changes every week). I always agree that it's sad, and say something like (regarding payment for services) "Well you now have more than you had" or " I've helped you").

Pauncho

So I ran into her on the street Saturday.

She asked me why I never came back.

I told her because I hate lies - like the one about super expensive gym clothes.

I said with lies, I cant trust you.
And without trust, there is nothing.

(All the while liking her looks and missing her dedication to hours of fellatio.)