How about someone creating a nice little map (even if it's just X's and O's) with locations of where the best SG's hangout? or I will consider it to be one of my main missions next time I'm down there. BUT I would rather go down there armed with a fresh map of locations from one of you more experienced ZONA rojo cruisers.
SB

ok...well, I hooked up with this one street girl named "dianna" but it may have been adrianna (superman, the one you posted about earlier in the year?") Says she is 19, real young looking, brown hair, pulled back and wears in a ponytail, wears like "blue-white" makeup above the eyes, about 5'1, real petite, b cup tits, real cute...said she has been in TJ for about a year, stand across the street from La Hacidenda....Offered sex sin ropas for $25, (wanted $30) no bj...but then we get in the room, and she offered bj for $10 more...I said no thanks, and we preceeded to go at it...pretty fun, lot of multiple positions, good fit, doesnt really say much...

Probably not the same girl. The Adrianna I was talking about stands on the other side of Constitucion right under the La Birreara sign, which is the same side of the street as Hacienda.

-Superman-

Anyone know Mini or Mimi? nice latina, 20, dark complexion, looks part black, scar under her right eye, pretty, wears blue mini skirts, stands near the miami bar...real nice,....talked her into doing sex sin ropa for $15 plus $5 for the room....nice in the room, gave a quick covered bj and sucked on my head really hard...then we did fucky, she gave me a surprise..I kept feeling her pussy getting tighter and tighter...i was like, what is up? She was doing the pussy control thing....she is really good at it....It felt like a vice.....The third time she clenched her muscles, i blew my load...it felt really good, check this chica out....

Hey are the SG prices going up? They were all quoting $20, or $50 for 30 minutes last week. And I thought I was getting good with them since reading the SG Basics Lesson a few month ago.

Its because Jaime has been overpaying the chicas again.

so far I'm still paying 15 & 20. I do know some chicas try to ask gringos for more, especially the ones in front of Cascadas. For the ones who ask for more, just inform them about the prices in the bars and what you get for those prices, and of course I always like to remind them that they are just SG's.

Xkansan, you're whining over a $20 quote? serious?
I think SV pays Paola $30 for a 15 minute session, so take up any disagreement with him Furthermore, you're not even supposed to inquire about a 30 minute session, so you broke that rule (according to Explorer)

Tjjohnny, the quote "what you get for those prices" somewhat confounds me. I read a lot of bad posts about club girl sessions, or at least so-so sessions. I think the sg monger community has this belief that club girls are inherently better cuz they work 'in the club'. Wrong. One of the best sessions i've had in the past several YEARS was with Jenny (sg) who stands across from HK more or less. Club girls could take lessons in service from Jenny.

I know of very few sg's who've ever quoted me $40 or less for 30 minutes. Paola wants $60 for a 30 minute, fully nude session.

There are still many 100 peso girls around if you just want to do the 'roll up the panty hose' quickie thing. To each his own.

Jaime,

Dude you are so far the chart when it comes to SG mongers... Most SG mongers, myself included, lean towards the "street meat" because we know that's where the great bargains can be found. It used to be that you could get a pretty decent fuck session and pay a very reasonable price to boot. Unfortunately, over the past year you'll find more and more mongers paying top-dollar for SG's. Man, these girls see YOU coming a mile away... Wise up and stop paying these prices. If you must insist then go to a club!... (prog)

All,

My apologies for my poor spelling in my previous post. I meant to say: "...you are so far OFF the FUCKING chart when it comes to SG mongers..." ... (prog)

Y'all certainly ascribe a lot of power to what ONE dude pays his chicas. Who would you be bitching about if he didn't bother to actually post what he personally paid SG's and was just some other anonymous guy who happened to cruise the alley like HUNDREDS of gringos (who may even --hold on to your socks, here-- pay MORE) do every week??? The 'idiots' who never heard of this board, pay whatever a girl asks and don't live and breathe to conspire to hold the line on hooker's prices? You're bucking some damned powerful economic forces, and raging about how 'the sky is falling' because of it is pretty fucking stupid, imo. Please do keep whining, however. THAT is quite productive. Beats explaining to the street girl of your choice how she's somehow a 'bitch' because she values her services higher than your cheapass is willing to pay.

Oh, and lest I forget, yet a-fucking-gain, WHY THE FUCK IS ANYONE BITCHING ABOUT HOW SOME OTHER GUY HAS A GOOD TIME IN TJ??? If his way ain't for you, FUCK THE HELL OFF.

I think more and more gringo-monger are discovering the SG scene. I had not done SG's in a while and just recently surveyed the crop carefully again. More girls than ever started quoting outragous prices. One new SG on the west-side on Const, 60 feet to the north of the police station asked for $35! I laughed and told her to stop insulting my intelligence. About 2 minutes later I saw an older gringo leave with her. I assume that she gets this kind of money from some guys. It is probably difficult to prevent, but guys like this fuck up the whole pricing in the zona.

What has worked for me is to tell them that I cum to TJ every week and am interested in being a regular cliente... In the past I've had favorites and would do 3 or 4 sessions in a day with the same one until I worked her out of my system..

Tell them poco a poco mucho dinero, pero no mucho cada vez... Those with a good business head no that having several repeat customers at $10 or $15 a pop is better than the occaisional duped gringo passing by that they take for $40.

Unfortunately, it takes them awhile to figure this out.. Most don't think about tommorrow, let alone next week...
ag

Yes, I was getting the $20/$50 quotes last Wednesday nite around the Cascadas. I had a room there, maybe the central alley location had something to do with it.
Later "Victoria" went up for $20, sin ropas, some extra time. She liked the movies and hung around a while. She said she works until 5 am!
Next am, really dead at 8, went for some desayuno, a few more were out and around about 9. One cutie with red streaks in her hair, a few steps east of Tres Garcia and one in a white get-up, says "no ingles". I came back with my few spanish phrases but no luck.
I'm not giving up so easy. Then one in front of Caliente (that wouldn't go to Cascadas) points to her friend, Paty. Later, Paty was impressed with room 5xx, and the movies. Had to negotiate her down, but it was all friendly. She hung around longer too.
I usually see SGs on Constitution. Some: Ismarelda uses the Irma and offers her pechos, Cecelia near Diamonte is always nice to me.

The SG's must have had a union meeting recently and the union boss told them to start raising their prices.

I was there Wednesday nite as well and had no problems in talking a couple into Cascades for $15. I even talked Brenda into Cascades for $20 sin Ropa.

I have also been to EXPLORER8939's class on the art of negotiating

Ezgab, if you've been to my class, I must have slept through it, because I have been having very bad luck with the SGs lately.

I don't know if anyone's noticed but the sg hotels are also raising their rates. The latest is Hotel Diamante on Constitucion. The 15 minute rate increased from 3 to 4 dollars.

This of course is all Jaime's fault. The hotel owners have found out what he pays the sg's and want to cash in too.

StrikingViking did Paola tell you she bought her 'galan' a car or did you hear it from another source?

Paola is the star among the SG's. One just has to remember that although she is by far the hottest girl with a great attitude on the street, she is a expensive as a hottie in CC or AB.
Some mongers seem to forget that and one simply has to realize that doing her is no different than any of the 20 hotties is the bars.
To me a streetgirl has to be cheaper, to make it worth my time spend in their shithole hotels and to keep up with all the detailed negotiations which always take away so much of the initial excitement.
If I would be cool ennough, I would have Paola and her neighbor Alexandra as my ho's and would sing "big pimpin in TJ" all day. Whoever pimps on these girls is doing a good job, but we should not encourage this, since it will ruin the whole street scene. I don't want to be left with only the ugly and fat indiginas

SV, re: 'holding the line' on chica prices and criticizing what others pay, it's pointless. A few cheapskate gringos banding together ain't gonna make a difference no matter how much solidarity they have because 90% of the gringos partaking of Zona chicas don't know or give a shit about your cause, and, more importantly, because it does absolutely nothing to change the dynamic that the chicas have absolute control over the prices. She'll either take your offer or she won't. That you will complain here about her not being 'worth' it is a problem YOU have, and maybe you should simply patronize chicas that offer you more value or convince HER that her asking price is out of whack.

As far as peeing on people's parades, it happens all the time on this board and it pisses me off. If you or anyone else wants to express your method of bargaining and your perceptions of pricing, PLEASE, knock yourself out. But why that ever has to result in criticism of others who operate in a different manner baffles me. Why is it not sufficient to simply have a good time in your fashion and let others do the same? Oh, and hopefully post about it here without the peanut gallery hollering about how you're doing it all wrong...

Re: as to whether I'm 'barking from the sidelines', what difference does it make? I am aware of the concepts of pricing and negotiating and the negativity that has been generated on this board over divergent views on the matter. Even idiots tend to have opinions! That I sometimes express mine strongly, oh well...

first off, i wouldn't doubt that SV gets a discount based on his persona alone - i mean how many girls walk from THEIR perch and go over and talk to a guy? i've seen it happen to him. Keeping prices down is more relevant for him due to the jaw dropping numbers of chicas he goes with. I guess my beef is with the guy who goes with one chica and quibbles over $5 or $10. SV is exempt from any criticism i have regarding trying to save a few bucks. But I still think for the 'average' sg devotee, paying more gets more, either in service or friendly personality.

there were a lot of interesting quotes in past posts: "To me a streetgirl has to be cheaper" due to the crappy hotel, etc. Most will go to Cascadas, and the hotel that Paola, Karina, etc use is nearly as good as Cascadas (no TV though). As long as she doesnt 'have to be cheaper' due to the conclusion that sg's never offer great service or aren't attractive (some are), i guess i can buy part of your rationale. Karina, Adrianna, Jenny (too tiny for some), and a new one i'll reveal easily match or surpass most any club girl if you treat them right ($$$). What you get for less $$$ - i dont know and dont care to find out.

The new find: Alma, stands up by the phone booth at the top of Ninos Heroes. 19, no kids, very nice body, does pretty much whatever you ask, however you want it. $40 for 30 minutes. Supporting 8 brothers, no father, so don't try to bargain her down too much

"SG are a treasure, but if you want for example a 30 min session at your Hotel, BBBJ, 3-4 positions, totally nude and shower"

uh, yeah, that's exactly what i want, sounds like fun to me. After reading about COMPLETELY lousy sessions in CC at $60, a cute or sexy sg that gives everything described above for $10 LESS seems like a good deal to me.

and Jefe, both SV and Explorer are great guys - not really similar though ... for me, this is all just cordial bantering back and forth.

SV, liked your analogies re: paying cops and voting, you make good points, but again, why not expend this energy and influence on arguing with the chicas who are refusing to meet your pricing structure? Point out to the high priced chicas that chica X Y and Z standing right over there will do all of these things and MORE for 50% less, and that's why you see me and my legion of informed consumers patronizing the hell out of THEM while your high and mighty ass holds up the wall all day??? It seems to me that this would be a more effective angle of attack because THEY set the prices than telling other guys that the chica they just paid 'too much' for isn't 'worth it'.

Re: the stuff I read that 'pisses me off' on this board, the list is quite extensive, but the pet peeve these days is people that tell others what to do or how they're fucking it up for others by doing their own thing, something that really is no one else's bidness. You like to bargain with girls. Good for you. I can't say this strongly enough: GOOD FOR YOU. But why is it so controversial to point out that some people don't believe in it or value services differently than you do? This doesn't make them EVIL it simply makes them different. And shouting down their voice on this board is something I vigorously oppose. You can have your say, why can't they have theirs? Sorry, but telling people who pay SG's more than some arbitrary lowball pricing structure says they should that they should to 'stick to the clubs' is gonna get a terse response from me every time.

You guys can do whatever you want in TJ, screw 14 year olds, whatever, EXCEPT if your behavior affects my time in the ZN. And, there is no more impact that you can have on my time in the ZN than overpaying the chicas.

Let me amend the above with a compromise:

If spending money on the chicas is what it takes to get you off, give them gifts from the USA. Go out and blow $$ on expensive candy and the like. It'll make you feel better, and the chicas won't have a clue how much it cost, or how good it is.

Mejor para ambos.

I personally don't know what "overpaying" a chica amounts to BUT I am making it my personal mission now just to "affect" Explorer's time in the zona. I once asked if you were "Horndogg". You may be two different people but you're both putzes!

And...to answer your question you're probably thinking: "When will this guy stop ragging on me?". I'll stop when you stop whining about the way other mongers go about their business!

RM, Monica, Guadalupa and Ariceli are still at the old rates, at least as of 4 June at 4.00 pm.
The cute new chica on the NE corner of 1& Ninos Heros is $20 sin ropas but she doesn't do sucky.

the 15 minute/30 minute debate is never going to be resolved, and from my observations there are a good number of guys who go for the longer sessions. I hear lots of complaints about how 15 minutes isnt enough time to get relaxed and have fun, but the guy doesnt want to go with "just a sg" for 30 minutes. Weird mentality in my mind.

speaking of Paola, she did a long session with a young guy who seemed to be quite fond of her - after they came out he stuck around her spot, affectionately playing with her. Couldn't tell if she was enjoying it or bugged, she can keep a straight face when she needs to. I wonder what he paid for that session - the expression "a fool in love" comes to mind.

Maybe there should be a new topic, it can be given the title of a phrase i hear thrown around a lot in the alley: Street Meat. That'd be for those who just want quickie sessions at whatever price they can negotiate. Listening to Alma describe having to support 8 brothers ... admittedly that's her PARENTS idiotic fault, but a monger worrying about 'soaring prices' ... it seems so trivial and selfish by comparison it's almost inhumane.

And Explorer, with your language skills and charm i'm sure you have absolutely no problem getting the session and price you aim for. Is all this pontification for your benefit or future zona visitors?

These girls won't turn down $15 even if they just got paid $30. THey have too many poor relations to say no to any work. This is Mexico, supply and demand are a little different. I'm afraid this conversation is pretty much academic.

To me even 30 minutes is too short. If I like a chica, I want to do at least an hour. Plus I
like to eat pussy, and the street girls hygiene
is not good enough for that.

Except for Monica who is exceptional, I usually pass on the street girls. But if I could find one
does BBBJCIM I might change my mind. So far I haven't found one for that.

RM does and Ariceli might.

694me
Didn't RM give herself a price increase several months back upping prices on bbbj from $10 to $15?
Taxibob

RM's does not quote me a price. I thought her BBBJ has always been $15, at least since Jan 00. $10 was the covered rate but you had to buy the condom for $3, now $5. Recently she asked for $20 and I said no tip at that price. Since I usually stay with her for 35-40 min I give her $25. This include a massage and 2 BBBJs

Gosh, it's been about 5 years since I discovered what that girl was doing there, standing on the street. But it seems that there was a lodging (I hesitate to say hotel for lack of a sign) that was about 50 feet east of 1st & ninos heroes on the north side. Back then 50 pesos (then about U$ 8.50) was the basic rate. The hotel cost 15 pesos, but the girl wanted me to hand it to the clerk, because it was the "mexican rate" and they would think she was skimmimg it from the "gringo rate" if she gave it to the clerk.

Do you think they still have a dual-rate structure ?

This was the good old days. Some days they had a line in the hall of Mexican guys (lower end economically)waiting for the next available girl.

Does anybody else remember this ?

Standard "gringo" rate is at least double that of locals... You were lucky, 5 years ago most SG's were quoting gringos $20 and asking for another $10 to $20 for full nude.

Prices really haven't changed but a lot of gringos are paying 1st quote prices so more SG's are holding out for $20 to $30 on the North side of the alley.

$1 a minute is a fair price if you are talking full nude.. I like the chicas who will let you go overtime at a $1 a minute... Sometimes 5 or 10 minutes more makes all the difference in the world... I hate the ones who try to get you to pay double if you go 5 minutes overtime or refuse to go overtime...

Please! Nobody tell them about "time & a half" for OT, hehehe..
ag

The $15 I was talking about was 15 PESOS for the room, not the services. The (standard) service was 50 pesos (about U$ 8.00), and at that I was probably getting the gringo rate. I remember thinking how swell it was to get laid and have breakfast (albeit cheap) for about U$ 10.00

If it was 5 years ago (or last week) 50 pesos is the local rate, most now charge the locals around 100 pesos, but like in every field, there are exceptions..

I know of a few chicas who give it to the locals for 50 pesos, but for me it's 100.. The lowest I've had in the last 2 years was 80 pesos.. Rooms are now from $2 up to $5 for 15 to 20 minutes... (inflation, some think brought on by gringos throwing 50 dollar bills around...
ag

The used to (6 months ago) be an SG named Alicia (de Puebla) that stood on the east side of Constitucion about 75 feet north of 1st whose standard price was 80 pesos, straight sex with condom, no options. (not animated, but a nice person)

Pauncho - If it's the dark skinned, chunky one with the really bushy hair, she is still there... Saw her Sunday..
Great smile..

That's the one. When I first met her she wasn't chunky (then at the hotel paris), and about 19 years old. No kids I believe. Now has a boyfriend and she sports "chupatones" at times.
Seemingly absolutely non-negotiable regarding sex sans condom.

Earlier in this thread it mentions that Mariela (the cross-eyed girl) left months ago. Well she has now been back for months and is regularly on Const. outside the Hacienda Bar.

What have the fellow mongers experiences been with Mariela (the cross-eyed girl). I often see here and she is kind of cute. Always has a nice smile. What is her body like? Might put her on my to-do list.

Oldsailor

She looks good from where I am standing, but I have never been to the room with her. Saw her many times the past two weeks, might sample on my next trip down in Oct.

One of my buddies did her a few weeks back. He said she was probably one of the worst fucks he ever had in La Zona and wouldn't recommend her to his worst enemy. His opinion of course - I haven't sampled her... (prog)

Prog..

Dam this board is great. Had some serious thoughts of doing her. Wonder if these chicas realize how much business they gain or loose when a monger reports their experiences here? Frogs rule!

Oldsailor

Oldsailor

Don't even THINK about doing that seriously cross-eyed bitch. Waste of time and erection.

I saw her about a month ago and thought back to the old posts on redsnake. I could have sworn that someone mentioned something good about her, but I just wasn't sure. To complicate matters, I found one girl that's just up the hill from Guadalupe that's kinda cross-eyed. Hmmm. Now there's two of them (felt a little cross-eyed myself!!).

We strike the deal and off to the room we go. The best part was watching her try and cross the street (guess the road looked FULL of cars from her perspective...). Once we get into the room she starts the nickel-and-dime routine. That was VERY disappointing. Made her agree to what we we'd originally struck a bargain on and we were off to the races. Bad blow job followed by HORRIBLE action. She just laid there and complained. Kept saying something about her "baby" and trying to keep me from pressing anything against her that wasn't my dick. Finally just got up and dressed. I was out of there!!

I would say it was like fucking a dead body, but I'm betting the session with the cadaver would be better because it would contain less complaining...

Just for clarification: She leans against the wall of Hacienda Bar that faces Constitucion.

I must say that she was all about protection when the deed was to be done. I wouldn't bang any puta without a condom, but I think you could die of boredom while banging this chick LONG before you ever even knew you had HIV...

Regards,
E

Epimetheus,

Very funny and very true. I think her name was Marianna.

We used to call her "cross eyed Mary". I had a buddy of mine that did her regularly for a while and this was before she had her baby. He seemed to like her so I thought I'd give it a shot.

She did have a pretty tight snatch at the time and what got me hooked was my buddy telling me she had very Asian skin.

She was horrible. She read a comic book and chewed gum and counted her money while I was drilling her.

When I was ready to blow I pulled out took off the condom and blew on her stomach and pubies.

It hardly phased her. She got up cleaned up and was out before me. Save your money...

i remember about a couple years ago her body was in very good shape,but now she had a little bit of a tummy but her presonality kinda sucks but try to have a conversation after the deed thats was about a month ago. i agree save your money.....

I was amazed at this little old crack addict tried to get me to fucky/sucky. She looked about 50 years old, 4ft tall and 70#'s. She kept following me around saying fucky/sucky - $10. YIKES!

Ended up a girl Adiranna? Deana? A Paula Abdul look a like. She uses Monica's hotel. She was very good and will do again.

Cruiser

Innocent

When she read the comic book did she close one eye? I'm wondering if the page just swims with words when both are open?

I've had some bad sessions, but this one ranks near the top of the "bad lay" list. An amazingly ordinary pussy attached to someone that's bored out of her skull and takes absolutely no pride in her work. Quite the combo...

E

She told me she's 4 months pregnant.