Probably posted this in the wrong place (general disc.) first. May be more appropriate as a thread.

OK guys, I don't know how many flames I will get for this but here goes. I queried a bunch of the hotties at Adelitas and could not find too many that would go for kissing on the mouth. Heidi is beautiful and gave a little action and rosie as well but neither had the true GFE action. Any input on ladies that will give a true GFE?? And yes I am clean and fairly respectable looking for an older fart.
By the way, if you dont care much about this topic, Heidi is very sexy, very hot (whew), but I really get off w/ the GFE thing that seems to be lacking in TJ. Sorry, traveling too light for pics.

AB is the last bar to go looking for GFE's. Even CC tends to be better IMO, but you might try your luck in the smaller bars where many of the low volume hookers haven't yet learned how to fuck like whores. The AB chicas are classic hookers who follow the classic mantra "get 'em in, get 'em off, get 'em out". They might give you a passionate kiss if they thought it would make you cum right away!

The chicas consider kissing more intimate than screwing and sucking. If it can be obtained only by negotiation it may leave both parties cold.

However, they are available and won't be discovered via inquiry. You have to find chicas who will give you enough "face time" downstairs to facilitate trust and simpatico. To do this you must invest time and ficha money, but in my view it is a good investment, especially for old farts (such as myself) for whom the sexual act can create the "been there, done that" feeling if it is performed in typical AB fuck factory fashion.

Also, I try to be more "sensual" and "romantic" with a chica in the bar and upstairs than "sexual" to set a mood. I will probe the chica physically - not fondle her but caress her - run my hands through her hair/extensions/wig - sweet compliments - rub noses - If that goes well, soft kisses on the cheek, forehead, top of her head - in other words, seduction (am I making you all sick?). If she responds to that, it carries over into the session. I also recommend the same approach in the room rather than ripping off your clothes and having her nipples in your mouth within 22 seconds.

But if you just ask or offer money to make it part of the service, it will probably be unavailable or not worth the upsell.

I am not in the position to do this very often these days because my visits to TJ are limited in number and duration compared to times past. But I had a rule that I enforced about 75% of the time or better - i.e. that I would not go to the room with any chica who I hadn't had an opportunity to spend time with downstairs at least 2-3 times. If she was good enough company to invest three ficha sessions with and she was game to do the first couple without getting any session money, then it tended to be rockets red glare and bombs bursting in air by the time we finally hauled ass to the hotel. Though the mood may be set, it isn't about genuine "romance" and being a PLM, it is more about developing trust and friendship which pays dividends when you finally hit the mattress!

So if you are looking for hot GFE sessions treat the hookers as you would a date or girlfriend - instead of a hooker. If she doesn't take to that treatment, you need to make a different selection. Simple enough.

This kind of discussion is at the heart of the TJ v. The World debate that has raged on this site for years. Apparently hookers of "The World" generally default to GFE and any other gaddamn thing their customers want, whereas so many guys think GFE isn't available in TJ. Well it is, but it takes work - a process I call "marination".