Street Girls, AKA 'SG's'
They are a rather peculiar animal, but they can be a quite affordable alternative to some of the club girls in the Zona Norte de Tijuana. Street girls in TJ can give you one helluva ride, but they have a reputation (well deserved, IMO) as not being the easiest nuts to crack regarding getting a quality session - you WILL run into many that will simply lie there and look up at the ceiling until you fill the preservativo (condom) or your time runs out. This guide is meant to introduce you to the basics, though, as always, the standard caveat of YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY (YMMV) applies.

There are a rather large amount of street prostitutes working along Avenida Constitucion between 1st Street (Articulo 123) and Coahuila, and in Callejon Coahuila (AKA 'the Alley'), which is a left turn off of Constitucion as you walk down the hill towards the bars of the Zona Norte. In the daytime hours from 10 AM until about 8 PM, there will usually be 20+ chicas lining both sides of Constitucion on this block. Nighttime there will be fewer chicas there, but usually still well into double digits. On a good day/night there will be 50+ chicas working in the Alley at any given time. Pickings are the worst between the hours of 3-11 AM.

With this many chicas to choose from, as you might imagine, there will be lots of different looks/ages to choose from, though all, obviously, are Latinas. Age ranges range from 18 to 40+, and there are short girls, fat girls (lotsa fatties, actually!), skinny girls, ugly girls, and even a few rather stunningly attractive girls. If you like Latinas, it's not too far off saying that there is something for everybody, though Mexicans are not really known for being tall.

Street girl pricing can run the gamut from 100 pesos/10 dollars up to standard club girl prices ($40 and up) for a top looker giving a full package of services, but these prices will only usually get you 15 minutes in the room, unlike club pricing, which is usually based on a 30 minute session. The street chicas (usually regardless of looks. I think their laborers' manual deludes them that one price fits all!) will likely quote you their version of the 'Going Gringo Rate' of 20 dollars plus the price of the room (ranging from 3-5 dollars - you may want to ask if this includes the sale of a condom if you already have your own) for the street girl standard of a 15 minute session. THIS PRICE IS NEGOTIABLE. The minimum price for many chicas is 100 pesos, and a significant percentage of them will go for this amount.

Please keep in mind that street chicas are on average not as cosmopolitan as their club conterparts and are less experienced dealing with gringos. In this regard, if you are price conscious, you may want to negotiate and pay with pesos, as their math skills are not the best nor are they particularly cognizant or reasonable about exchange rates. It is not surprising to hear a chica quote you 100 pesos and then tell you it will be 15 or even TWENTY dollars if you use greenbacks.

Street girls are notorious for their limits, however, in addition to the compressed time you will get in the room with them. Unlike with most club girls, oral sex is NOT standard in a session, and must be negotiated. Also, street girls rather peculiarly do not like to take off their tops and many will try and charge you an extra fee if you desire this 'service' if it's not negotiated up front. Other things you may wish to negotiate would be changes of positions. Most street girls almost exclusively like missionary, and view position changes as exotic. It's not to say they won't do them, but like many other things, will try and gouge you if you have a request. Street girls are notorious for asking for 'Cinco mas' dolares for any extra request you ask for in the room. If you're the type that likes to keep the illusion of romance all the way through a session you're better off negotiating the fine print before you get to the room.

Personally, if the street chica is in the upper 20% of looks among her street sisters, I don't have a problem paying 20 bucks plus the room fee for the 15 minutes. But the one thing that is a must for me is that they take off their top. I refer to this as 'desnudo completo'. If my Spanish is wrong, someone please correct me, but the important thing is that the chica understands the point. Surprisingly enough, for some chicas this is a dealbreaker. Go figure…

If price is of utmost concern, though, you should not have a problem locating a chica on the street that will do you for 100 pesos plus the room fee. This will likely be hop on while her top's on, but you can surely get laid for this amount if you ask enough chicas.

An extra way to attempt to squeeze out a discount is to agree with a chica on a price which includes the fee for the room. Twenty bucks to get her naked including the room is usually the best deal I will shoot for - I tend not to go looking for blow jobs on the street. They can be found, but it takes some leg work, and with a few notorious exceptions, it generally will be a half-ass job anyway. While I am not the pickiest about looks, I generally won't dip below the top 1/3 of street chicas in the looks department. On any given night that still gives me 20+ to choose from.

For those NOT in the star looks (compared to other street girls) category, I may insist on oral sex if I'm going to pay the 20 dollars. I will TRY and get a bareback blow job (bbbj) for that amount, but not only will some street girls not suck dick AT ALL, many will absolutely draw the line at a bbbj. The general rule is that the hotter they are, the more they can get away with not doing in the room. For a fully nude session with covered BJ, many above average looking street girls won't agree for less than $30 for 15 minutes.

The cheapest price I have ever verified is 75 pesos for a TJ street girl. And she was pretty damned good looking. This price was paid by a Latino friend of mine who spoke native Spanish. The same girl wouldn't go with me the obvious gringo for less than 20 dollars. Another friend had a series of terrific sessions by taking a particularly hot street girl I found rather stuck up and bitchy to his room and paying her 50 bucks for ½ hour (that ended up getting extended indefinitely). I paid her 20 and she refused to take her top off. Again, I can't state this strongly enough, YMMV!

The hotels the street girls use are generally of very poor quality - rooms in poor condition and infrequently cleaned, usually without showers, toilets or even running water -- and your 3-5 dollars paid will usually only get you a room for 15 or so minutes. In some of the street girl hotels these time limits are strictly enforced, though usually nothing as efficient as the expected knocks at the Hotel Coahuila next to Adelitas when your time is running short. With street girls they will often let you know verbally when your pumping time is almost up, as if they have a built in egg timer in their heads. If you anticipate wanting more time with them, you are well advised to ask for it upfront (and maybe pay for longer time for the hotel) rather than counting on your chica's generosity once in the room.

While many street chicas are fiercely loyal to their standard hotel, if they are agreeable to following you to a room, one of the better places to take chicas in the Alley is the Hotel Las Cascadas next to the Miami Bar and Tres Garcias Restaurant. This hotel charges 5 dollars for their 15 minute rate, though you can get rooms all night there as well. The rooms there are some of the cleaner ones in the Zona (though sheet changes are still not optimal), and come with toilet and shower.

Trying to ensure a quality session from a TJ street girl can be very difficult. The most tried and true method is to try and establish some sort of a rapport with the chica before striking a deal. Suggestions that have been made before by many SG chasers is to try and joke around with them or offer little gifts like candy or food or to purchase them something to drink to get them to loosen up a bit. Some street girls are bored and would like for someone to come along and entertain them for a few minutes while chasing their business. Some are ALL business (and maybe just a bit intimidated by gringos) and will only talk with you about the nuts and bolts of going to the room. The ones that won't tell you anything more than their name and rate won't likely be the most enthusiastic performer in the room. There are a number of street girls reviewed on this board that can give you a rough list of the quality performers and some to avoid. As is the case with many TJ chicas, repeat sessions can lead to a better experience, though expecting a street girl to remember the deal you struck with her the last time around and expecting the same service for the same amount may not always be a slam dunk. You may want to confirm the deal again to avoid misunderstandings

If you're looking for stuff like kissing from a TJ chica, you're more likely to find it in the clubs. This being said, there are some street girls that will do this, but it's usually more of a sign that they like you than part of the standard (or even optional) package. And those that do this tend to be rather new. Best way to get it is put your face real close to hers and see what happens.

When you inevitably fall in LOVE with a street chica and decide you want her to go with you for extended time like an hour or more or maybe even all night, it may not be wise to expect them to give you a discount for the extended time. It has been suggested that the 15 minute session is so ingrained into their minds, that all longer sessions are simply multiples of the initial session, so the rate you are often quoted would be 40 dollars for a ½ hour, 80 dollars for an hour, 150 dollars for two hours, if you have to ASK YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT for all night. Street girls simply do not get many requests for all nighters, and are generally clueless as to how to price them. Also re: setting up all nighters with SG's, in my experience they are far less spontaneous than club girls and will not often leave their post with you for an extended period of time until they know you fairly well. For the all nighter seeker (Toda la noche), this would generally mean staying in her hotel for this time (yuck!) or maybe setting it up for a future visit. This would be VERY rare, though.

Finally, when dealing with street girls in TJ, you will most likely have to conduct your transaction entirely in Spanish (though broken and pidgin Spanish works fine) as English speakers will be rather hard to come by - much more difficult than it will be to set up a deal in English at places like Adelitas and Chicago Club. There are resources on this and other Mexico boards to help you with the basics if you need them.

There. You've now read the quick and dirty guide to getting laid by a street girl in TJ. Now go put it to practice!

Probably the best overall guide to TJ street girls I have ever seen. Absolutely honest and detailed in every way....Excellent post. For those of you who are newbies to TJ and want to try street girls, Porker just gave you the bible to TJ street girls. Read it, learn it, live it..

What can I say? Blazers just said everything there is to say about this thread. The only thing a "newbie" could want in addition to Porker's version of "The Poor Mans Guide To Cheap Fast Easy Pussy," is to have Porker himself appear in person a conduct his own personal tour guide service. There's no ending to learning the tricks (no pun intended ) of the trade. Sign me up....

Excellent analytical view of the SG prostitution scene, "Sir" Porker!

Master Bates.

Most excellent Porker. Now please take all the time you need to rest your fingers from all that typing.

When you recover enough, maybe you can write a similar one for the small-bar girls? ;-)

Porker, I have a question. What are reasons behind the statement "many street chicas are fiercely loyal to their standard hotel"?

I once tried to take Ariceli to Cascadas where I had a overnight room. She said, going there would cost me extra. I forgot the exact amount of the extra ($10?), but it was more than the cost of her "standard" hotel ($4?). So, I took a chance with her hotel, only to have found an utterly disgusting condition of the room.

So, your statement is true, but why? On paper, I don't see hotels have any leverage against chicas who solely bring in money. I mean, wihtout chicas, those shitholes (except Cascadas) will die. I know hotels secure chicas' purses and stuffs, but is that all chicas get in return for their "loyalty"?

And as Ariceli's case tells me, this loyalty is not edged in stone. It was NEGOTIABLE by paying extra $10. Does she think her standard hotel is such a shithole gringos would be happy to pay extra $10? But, I honestly didn't think that was her logic. It looked like she was driven by some sort of ethic/rule that forced her to stick with her standard place. What does she gain by that?

First, thanks for the positive feedback everyone.

Byron, I have wondered a little about that too. The most logical thing I can think of is that the chica feels safer and more comfortable there. Her things are there, like you said, and she knows the management in case there are any problems. Also, maybe it's the time factor, as they are generally right next to their hotels and getting to a room in other places takes a bit more time, not to mention they may not have someone looking out for them by knocking when time's up. Paying a convenience fee, like Ariceli asked for may make a difference.

As far as going to a hotel they don't know or a hotel outside the Zona, I think it's absolutely fear. As I mentioned, I think it would be difficult to set up an offsite all-nighter with a street girl you just met.

With all the Tijuana SG activity recently, I thought I'd bump this into last day search. Also will add a link from the Tijuana section.

I am planning on spending the rest of the year fucking street girls. I plan on paying $50 per trip to the hotel and will give then an extra $20 for sin ropas. Also another $20 for a blow job.

The only way I will stop this behavior is if all the SG guys pass the hat and pay me $10,000.

Check should be made payable to Ben Franklin.

Your Amigo

Or whack you.

Please keep all reports of whacking Ben to yourself.

On second thought, scratch that. Please post all you want about the aforementioned Ben whacking. Be sure to include vivid details such as, "Did he take his top off? Did he charge you extra for that?"

cheers,
~demille

p.s. porker, your sg report is most excellent

Brilliant piece Porker. As relevant next year as the year it was composed (10/14/02). Required reading for ALL members of this site, especially newbies. Thanks! bro in mongering. Tull

couldnt ask for better info, i started coming to tj now since april 2003 and it keeps getting better and better. keep up the great work

A MUST READ FOR NEWBIES!!

It doesn't matter how well you think you know these chicas. Facts are facts and Porker did a great job of laying them out. Even a somewhat experienced TJ mongerer like me learned a great deal here. I'm so white, the street people see me as I cross the border!!

With the chicas, it's all about the money, case closed. It's a hustle from opening to closing. If they can squeeze an extra buck out of you they will try. They will squeeze as many dollars as they can, whatever the traffic (you) will bear and they are ruthless about it. Don't worry about getting your feelings hurt, you will if you don't study porkers post.

I never get a great deal and I always overpay. Well, I wish I'd read this post earlier. Thanks Porker, I'm going back to TJ this week and this time I'll have my game face on.

I've got my boxer shorts on and this time I'm prepared to use them.

By the way, I've been told that the girls are owned by the hotel. They use the place because the place let's them stay there while they are working. I'm not sure how true this is but it makes sense I guess.

Be Safe
Country John

In most cases you're right. It's all about money. In some instances though I strongly disagree.

I have got my select few I try to stick to and for twenty dollars there is never any rush, a little socializing and occassionaly a good fuck after sucking the load down a real 2 x 1.

When I venture outside of the few faves I am generally disappointed. Although I just found a new "18" year old Vera Cruz spinner that has promise...

Innocent is probably right. . . .

I guess it's true that i've had a few girls that were somewhat "regular" that gave great service, but they are not around any more and it's back to search and discover for me. I am always a bit rushed when I get to the Zona. Not much time to lurk and peek. I usually want to get in, get off and get out. Maybe on Tuesday Operation AlleyKat 11 will be a bit more "laid" back.

Country John wrote:

"By the way, I've been told that the girls are owned by the hotel. They use the place because the place let's them stay there while they are working."

Not exactly own but they do have an understanding. Many SG's will go to several different hotels but usualy within site of their main one. I don't know any who live in the same hotel they work out of except perhaps some at Cascadas and that is doubtful.

Many SG's live within a 10-15 min. walk to their spot.

SGs can't live in Cascadas because their boyfriends won't live there.

Oh excuse me. I was speaking of the 2 without boyfriends.

Who REALLY knows for sure?

CJ:

The whole idea of being a SG virtually requires a novio. These chicas get recruited by guys back in their home towns to come up to TJ. Most Mexicanas would never pack up, leave their families and get a job in a strange city, even if they wanted to, they don't have the disposable income to make the move.

The official story from SGs on how they came to be in TJ:

Most common story: "My amiga told me that we could leave home and cross the border to the US to get good jobs. She even bought me an airplane ticket to TJ. But, once we got to TJ, she brought me to the street and told me that the only job was working here."

Second most common story: "My boyfriend and I came to TJ to cross the border, and we couldn't. This was the only job I could get."

Both stories are covers for the real story. You would be amazed how common story #1 is.

Fortunately, a stiff cock has no conscience.

I don't know if I could bed a chica (meaning maintain an erection) knowing that she was the victim of some scam that left her with no choice but to work the Zona. It may be my good fortune to have her under the press but isn't it kinda like consentual rape?

It's one thing to bed a chica who is there to play the game but how do we feel about dragging off a chica who is really in a bad way and stranded with no way to get back home or survive unless she works the pole?

Maybe I'm getting a bit soft here but I guess there is more than one way home and I refuse to believe that any chica doesn't like to get serviced well. If money is the motivation and not the reward then maybe neither of us have anything to worry about.

One Chica (AlleyKat 9 if I am not mistaken) was actually trembling when she was negotiating. She looked fresh and new (and 19) but was clearly not a seasoned pro. She said she was cold but man it was about 80 fucking degrees outside that day.

I thought she would say the rosary in the Eduardo afterward, kinda left me looking around the place hoping I could find my own way out. You know the make-shift shrine they have set up there, man it is somewhat disconcerting to have to walk past that thing with the chica after unleashing all the evil you can in 20 to 30 minutes.

Makes you almost check for the fucking horns. I don't know but Explorer, you have forgotten more about mongering than I'll ever know so I will always humbly adopt your data as fact until I gain enough experience.

I just assume they all have boyfriends or pimps as long as they charge me.

Don't worry CJ, these chicas walk around with hundreds of dollars in cash, they could hop a plane home anytime they want.

They make More $$ than ME!

I agree they are carrying serious coin. And I also believe that they could opt out any time they want.

OK, I feel better now. Operation AlleyKat 11 is BACK ON!!

CountryJohn writes "Who REALLY knows for sure?"

Evidently everyone but you and the source that told you that "girls are owned by the hotel. They use the place because the place let's them stay there while they are working"

If you spent more time in the zona you would see the girls coming to work or leaving at the shift change.

Reytj

Reytj

I'm sure there is LOTS I don't know. That's why I rely on the solid information I get as reliable especially from guys like you. I've never observed the actual shift change, when does it take place?

I spend a fair amount of time in the Zona. There are those that get to spend a lot more time than I do. I'm not sure you can trust what anyone says. Who is "everyone?"

Thanks,
Country John

Shift change was a poor choice of words. I should say their start or finish time. A good number of the daytime sg's knock off at 7 or 8 PM although they may work later on weekends.

Reytj

Are there a lot of street chicas around 4pm on Thursdays and Fridays?

There should be around 100 - 150 sg's working at that time.

is it safe to be walking in the alley behind adelitas in the daytime? are SGs' clients mostly TJ locals or gringos?

Yes and both.

Thanks for the timeless report,Porker.I'll be in the Alley in about 10 days,looking for my 15 minutes of Game.Bad joke,I know,butt I can't help it.

The selection in the alley has been horrible lately due to the construction going on.

Mabey it's better at night?

There is major construction going on in the Alley and it should be much improved when finished. I wonder if it will have an effect on prices. The general information is correct and the atitudes of the Sg's vary from fearful, friendly, all business, looking for a sucker, poun intended.

Negotiate and talk, watch the body language and remember they are often skilled in simulating attraction. Some are open to dates outside the zona and will go to your hotel. Many are unfamilliar with other areas and refuse to go out of fear.

Take your time, let them sell you and trust your instincts. For the price of a lap dance you will get full service.

There is major construction going on in the Alley and it should be much improved when finished. I wonder if it will have an effect on prices. The general information is correct and the atitudes of the Sg's vary from fearful, friendly, all business, looking for a sucker, pun intended.

The quality an quantity of girls is much greater at night

Negotiate and talk, watch the body language and remember they are often skilled in simulating attraction. Some are open to dates outside the zona and will go to your hotel. Many are unfamiliar with other areas and refuse to go out of fear.

Take your time, let them sell you and trust your instincts. For the price of a lap dance you will get full service.

According to Perla (Tecate) all street girls are being kicked-out next week. They want to improve the image and make it more like Revo.

where are the SGs going to work?? are they just going to vanish??

The SGs have been kicked out of the Alley as of Friday.

Time for an update on where to find the SGs...

"Time for an update on where to find the SGs..."

The bar and hotel owners attempt to evict them from the alley collapsed in the face of the sg's militant protests. They have been back in the alley now for the last two months.

where is zona rosa in tijana

Sex loving
I have no idea where the Rose Zone is in TJ but there is a Rojo Zona which is located in Centro just a few minutes from the border. Any taxi will take you down there for 5 bux

actually the "zona rosa" translates to the "pink" zone. I expect you already know
that and are trying to be funny, hehehe

jd

The one time I went to TJ, street chicas were my favorite thing to do... Yes, its hit or miss, but so is Adelitas! Except in AB you spend as much money as you would on 3 SGs... do the math.

Anyway, re: new chicas on the block, I went with one girl who was obviously new... she was standing in the alley, and wasnt soliciting at all -- I was the one who approached her. And she really didnt know prices.. Anyway 20 bucks for everything and off we go. She was really shy at first... for example, she gave me a world class bj, but only if I promised not to look at her when she was doing it... didnt want anyone watching her doing something which Mexicans consider rather taboo. Anyway, she really warmed up as she was riding me... afterwards we had a nice conversation, and I bought her a Jumex. She just came from DF, and planning to go to medical school there... saving money for admissions next year.
I didnt feel too bad taking advantage of her, because she warmed to me, and because at that time I was also young and babyfaced, and i think thats what made it easier for her. My point: These girls are often unaware of the trade until they start doing it. But as long as I treat them with respect, im ok with those horns on my head.

As an FYI, in TJ (and Mexico in general) the term for the 'Red Light District' is 'El Mundo Bajo' or 'Mundo Bajo'. It means underworld.

ok
Just got back from TJ, Saw Aricelli right by the policia station. I must say, she is looking finer now than ever before, did not go with her this time, but DAMN she looked Great!!!!

Ok, here is what I have found out over the last couple of years. The girls owe the hotel or club they are working at in most cases. These clubs and hotels put out newspaper ads out all over Mexico offering big money and free transportation to TJ to work. then the girls are stuck with the hotel or club they end up at till they leave. So if you take a girl from Adalitas, or Valentinas or a shit hole hotel, you will pay a bar/hotel fine. it is the same. That is why Aricelli is always standing by the Police station. Her hotel is right there. Seems weird though, picking up a hooker right next to the Police Station!!!!!hahahaha

(Message edited by belldude2 on August 01, 2005)

I have never heard it refered to as "Zona Rosa" or "Mundo bajo" from Locals and Tj Residents. When you get out into the city, all of them call it simply "La Zona"(the zone), or "la Zona Roja"(The red zone). Just my 2 cents worth.

The Street Girls are not brought up to TJ by bars or hotel, and Araceli does not work by the police station, at least not the famous Araceli.

thanks for the report pork-- I used it as my prep for my virgin trip and found it to be dead on.

I can get a little finicky about looks, but as you said, there was something there for all tastes. I found at least 2-3 girls quite attractive on each and every jaunt (They do look better clothed though).


I was at a loss in terms of negotiations, but I paid what you mentioned in terms of the upper tier for complete nude w/BJ 15 min= 300 pesos. They provided the condoms.

Neither were clock watchers and I think both times I took slightly over 20 minutes and neither said anything.

thanks.

DM in TJ?

Wow. Will wonders ever cease?

Did you try any AB hotties?

At AB, I tried a blonde my first night in the wee hours of the morning. Nothing to write home about and I was pretty drunk. To be honest, I didn't really like the place all that much and found the girls lacking in terms of quality and charm. The one exception was the one Socrates pointed out me to, who had an awesome body. I don't recall the AB hottie's name, Soc-- who was it? I returned to AB later in the week with Blazers and there were a few more lookers at AB then, but still not really my scene.

I much preferred club tropical (cute girls), hong kong (atmosphere), and street girls (I like to see girls in the daylight) in that order of preference.