Here is a paste from my personal archives that is as relevant to today's discussion as when these things were first posted:

Repost from ASPT:

Re: (aspt)Re: TV's are inferior
Author: MuleLip
Date: 1999/01/20
Forum: alt.sex.prostitution.tijuana

(I think M.L. was following-up on a TonyTJ post about TV's being big and ugly.)

Don't mean to pop any bubbles here.........but your post is incorrect. You saw the date I was with at the party.........she is a dancer at the Sans Souci ( 100% Female ) , not only a very neat girl, but a real neat friend. One time this girl walked past us and jumped up on the stage and did one of the most erotic and sexy dances you ever lade eyes on. I told Diana.......damn she's good........Diana looked at me and said " M.L., she is probably one of the cutest girls here.......but ......she is a he !!" I couldn't believe it....no way.......I'm watching her dance, right down to a tiny G-string. I would've bet a month salary on this........but Diana said, " believe me !" She came off the dance floor and I asked her to join me in having a drink. Told Diana, excuse me.......but Diana, I've got to check this out! I believe her to be a tad jealous and was just giving me a story. About 5 mins. she came out of the dressing room and sat down beside me. I'm telling ya the truth......this girl was a killer......and had a body, that just makes a grown man moan!! Bought her a drink....and after a bit of just talking and me checking everything I could, to give me a clue, if this was a male or female. I finely.......I just asked......when she said male, I couldn't believe it...I swear! I told her I had to see......I mean, I just had to see! I still didn't believe it. She took me back in the dressing room ( upstairs ) and flipped out what I swear she didn't have.....yup, there it was. Bought her another drink ( I say her, because.....in her mind, she was 100% female ) and had a neat conversation. Damn.....what a hell of a thing to go through......have a penis and know in your mind that you're female. Asked Diana if she would take pictures of the he/she's ......she did. Amochichis, Oliver and El Pensador can back this up as a true story...........Turn the Page....M.L.

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Now that is great investigative journalism M.L.!

I only wish you shared the he/she's name. I am certain there is a day shift Sans Souci TV, too, but with bad shaped implants, low voice and agressive manner. I will ask my regular day REAL girl Mary about that next time. I think we should start a list of these type of "people". Even at my most liberal wanings I can only think of them as dangerous damaged goods. I think there is a cute day shift Michele still at Bambi that stuck some soft tender natural tits in my face once there. I was pretty drunk (in the afternoon even). I agreed to take her to Hotel Coahuila, where I had a room for the night. In the room she told me that she was a girl now . . . you guessed it! I asked and she confirmed she was born a boy and had an "operation" and hormone treatments. To keep this short, I seemed to have gotten my money back less return cabfare, the side of my head hurt for two weeks, and she is permanently banned from Hotel Coahuila. I think she is a kick boxer, but she did not rob me.

It is very sad really, but I can't handle THAT.

For our own protection I think we should start a list these "guyls" just as we do the hot real girls. If you WANT this kind of action try the bar on the SW corner of Coahuila and Los Ninos. I heard this from another Cyber Gringo). I do not go inside Bambi (anymore - other to confirm her continued presence) or that other place at all. I have seen the more TonyTJ described type macho chicas on that corner on Los Ninos.

Maybe we should have saved this thread for April Fool's Day. But you really do have to be careful on Ave. Revolucion.

A red faced EC

By Mule Lip on Wednesday, January 20, 1999 - 09:38 pm:

The above posting happened about 6-7 months ago and no I don't remember her name........hell I have a bad enough time with-in 3 mins. after hearing someones name.......She'd been in Tijuana for only 3 weeks and couldn't wait until she had enough money for a ticket back to Cancun. I saw her the next weekend, when I took a biker bud of mine in. I knew if she was there.......and being so cute, he'd fire on her in a sec.. Sitting next to the steps going to the dressing room.......here she come.....flying down the stairs, heading for the stage. To save a lot of time here, I let your imagination take you to the point.....where I had to get him out of there. When I told him .......he just staired at me.....then he smiled and said, M.L., I would've took that one to the grave. Always wondered if he went back after that night. As far as the Bambi/Sans Souci......I don't go there with the thought of being with anyone, I enjoy seeing and talking with Diana { the girl that was with me at the dinner }.....she is the girl, that 2 years ago, gave me a bithday cake when I walked in on my birthday. That I should post some time. She is a neat dancer and speaks excellent english. There are some very pretty girls that dance at both clubs.......the T.V.'s are on your left going into the Bambi....and...in the Sans Souci....2nd story/2nd floor only. Going to the clubs, hell that doesn't bother me, I know who I'm going to sleep with before walking through the doors..........turn the page.......M.L.

By El Cabrio (Elc) on Wednesday, January 20, 1999 - 09:48 pm:

Mulelip,

My incident was also at least 4 months ago.

Left going into "Bambi"? That would be the bar right? That is where Michele walked up to me.

I agree about only going there if you know exactly what you plan to do. I only go to Sans Souci to look for Mary (who comes to Hotel Caesar with me and stays a while).

EC


By Anonymous on Sunday, January 24, 1999 - 07:15 pm:

The information presented below was obtained, and significantly corroborated, by one doorman, one bartender, and one real girl at each of two of the clubs mentioned. Two of these four work at the CC. I am respecting the contributors privacy and/or requested anomynity. All these "girls" work the day or early shifts. I am sure the night or late shifts are just as bad.

TV = Transvestites, boys dressed as girls, male sex organs intact, possible implants or hormone grown breasts.

Bambi

Patti big
Paula big
Banesa (Vanesa?) small
Erica small

Sans Souci

Sara small said to be cute
Erica big
Jaqueline big
Jennifer tall, slim, bad implants (possible TS)

TS = Transsexuals, were boys, now girls, male sex organs removed/restructured, either implants or hormone grown breasts.

Adelitas

Yaqui/Jaqueline

Chicago Club

Sylvia (no longer at CC, used to work at AB)

Sans Souci

Flower


Anon

The vast majority at Bambi and Sans Sousi are male or formerly male. The mgr, son of the patron, is gay. The TV's pay $25 to be able to work the place. It really is not a place to hang out when there are so many better options. To have a beer and mellow out, just go to Lord Black or Madonas.

'Vast majority' is a gross overstatement, at least as far as night shift is concerned.

Totally agree Porker. Given a little good sense, both bars have plenty of real girls to play with. It's more than amusing to watch the TV's play around with the unknowing gringos in the bars. Sometimes it's just something different to watch before heading into the Zona for the night.

I don't think it's an overstatement at all, that's why I hate going to those two places. Once I went there and tipped a waiter a few bucks to let me know which ones were "boys". You guys would have been shocked at some of the ones he indicated weren't really women. It was almost a rule of thumb, "the pretty ones are guys".

For all you guys who seem to hate these places, you sure seem to know a lot about the way they work and who to avoid or play with. Maybe a few of you have a fetish you're not ready to come out of the closet about?

Let he who is without clue cast the first stone. Oh, he just did.

FU too senior El Cabrio.

Well, contraband, I reread all your posts on this board, and do not really have a problem with your views. Perhaps I was a tad reactionary. Lets end this now.

Fine by me, I'll withdrawl my troops from the border and reopen the embassy.......drinks all around!....I was going to retract my harsh response anyway......cheers!!

El_cabrio,
All my freinds and I are always weary of any GIRL in any club. Why? Because we know there's nothing TS's love doing more then fooling straight men. That's why I did my survey and asked all the waiters in a number of bars in the zona. i.e.(AB, Chevellas, Tropical, Miami, etc. How many "GIRL's were MEN.
I know it's in their blood to lie. But I was in shock, they loved to point and tell me where all the TV's and TS's were.

And yes they are drop dead gerogous. Roger, Melvin and I are under the impression Gloria and Erica, Lydia in the Tropical are TS's. I know it sounds wierd. Specialy Gloria, Tall, no kids, low voice, very sexy but walks and carries her self like a man. Of course there's many many others in those bars especially in the Chicago and AB.
If all the TS's are like Gloria, then whats the diffrence, just fuck and have fun.

But I can't sleep at night not knowing if I just fucked a Man or a Women. That's why I'll stick to the short cute little indian gals on the street. $10 for eveything. Even if they are men, at least I only paid $10...

Westfargo...

Geez! What's the big deal. As long as you find yourself attracted to them, go for it. If you find a TV beautiful, the only thing holding you back is strictly psychological. Admittedly, it did freak me out the first time because I was fooled. I discovered though that I was lured by their femininity and beauty, and that is what it really is is all about anyway.

So which would be worse, having sex with a TV who shaved his legs or with a SG who didn't?

I agree with Stayawayjoe. 99% of the fun is in your head anyway. If you believe something that doesn't necessarily make it true. Besides, anyone who is politically correct knows that queers are born that way. If you were to err in some Revolucion bar and got off with the "wrong" sex then you have nothing to fear as long as it is not your first time.

West Fargo, maybe you should start a new thread dealing with guys who haven't cum to terms with their predicklection.

What's wrong with girls who don't shave their legs? That is what a natural woman is like.

The whole TS thing is blown out of proportion, too (so to speak). So long as she has a snatch and tits while you are doing her, and a body that turns you on, what difference does it make?

You guys are a bunch of hobophobes. 8-P

Kendricks

Yep. I try to avoid hobos whenever I see them dressed as bar girls.

WF, i think Superman had sex with Gloria, so maybe we can get his opinion on it .

I've never had a TS/TV pass the "hmmm, something is just odd about how she looks" test. They can always be spotted ... call it men's intuition

Hey Jaime,

But if one passed the "test", how would you know it?

>>
I've never had a TS/TV pass the "hmmm, something is just odd about how she looks" test.
>>

Years ago I had one amiga at Cosmos(regina) give me advice on how to spot them.

"The ones you are trying to figure out if they are a man - are.."

It was very sage advice.

Redong, if one passed the test i'd have taken her upstairs. At that point, i hope i could figure things out . If i couldn't, they are doing some *very* good surgery in TJ. I find it hard to believe any of the ones in TJ could afford the
surgery - doesn't it run $20,000 or so? Surgery in Mexico isn't really that cheap from what i'm hearing lately - appendicitis is $3500, tonsillitis is like $2500. Changing from a guy to a gal can't be cheap.

Stayawayjoe,
I like your thinking. I try my best to keep away from the TS's, I don't have a Cromosone tester so my flashlight and intuition and places I hang out are usually seficient. However, Roger told me almost all TS's love to give head. So maybe that will help. I must say, I was dating a TS's 5 years ago in the Valintinos and it gave me the best BJ in my intire life. However, after it told me it was a man. I really had a lot of problems with that. I'm a little to macho to handle that sort of thing.
I wish I could just say, if it's got a pussy. Well I'm happy. With me it doesn't work that way.

Jaime,
Sex change operations are a fortune in Mexico as well as here. Plus, in Mexico you can die from the unscruplus characters giving them. However, just like us mongers, where there's a will there's a way. The'll do anything to get it done. Just like we'll sell our sole to fuck a young virgin...

Westfargo...

Great Westfargo! Where do I line up to sell my sole? I can do it many times. See, I have old shoes whose sole I could sell in a fartbeat. And one time fishing I caught a sole. Some bugger must have given it up. Man, the deckhand just fileted the flesh right off. And some guy had to go to hell for it. Were du I find the young virgins though? I am lucky when I a puta's first of their day!

Which has a higher ick factor - finding out, after the fact, that you got a blow job from a TS, or that you fucked a lesbian?

Anybody paying for sex in TJ long enough has probably done both. Like they say, ignorance is bliss.

What would be icky about fucking a lesbian (provided she looked good)? I don't get it.

Done it many times with a real, live lesbian (not one of the 'show' lezzies that you pick up in the clubs). Great sex. Taught me a lot about what women like.

If you've done it many times with a "real, live lesbian" then she's not a lesbian at all.

-Superman-

Well, let's just say that she is currently married to a woman.

I have met some militant lesbians who think the human condition would be improved if all men were castrated. I will not fuck, or even talk to them. I told one I worked with she looked nice in jeans, she never wore a dress, usually it was spandex. She was a attractive enough. What came back was another comment about cutting my balls off. This one lost her marbles and her UCLA Biology major when she couldn't disect a living creature. Strange (imbalanced) looks flashed over her face when I asked her about her dad. Did I mention she was a vegetarian, an animal rights activist, and she was white and her lover is black?

EC, sounds like she has gone the full route on political correctiveness. It would be funny/sad except that too many of these misfits have ended up with a disproportionate amount of influence upon our society and its legal and political system.

I think I would almost rather get a BJ from a TV. I would assume that at least they are nice about it. Maybe someone who has been there can comment on that.

Tight_Fit,
I'm with you. I really hate lesbians and fags. The problem is that their so vendictive. WHy? Normal straight guys have teased them all their lives that they are hell bent on revenge. Most are very well educated, they sort of think like me too. You guys are luck I'm on your side. Because, if I were a fag or a lesbo I would really make trouble for straight people. I know how those people think. If they could they would make sex between the opisit sexes illigal!
Their dangerous as hell! I don't have the time to say, this one is good and that one's bad. In my book, I stay away from them all.

Westfargo...

just for the general knowledge base. a test. if a person can cross his/her legs and then wrap the front leg around the back one, it's a female from birth. many dancers do this as a move on stage. I have read this is impossible for a man due to differences in the pelvis. and in my experience thus far, most women can do this without problem and I've never met a male who can do this.

Cf,
Who figured that one out? I've seen contorshionest men that can suck their own dick.
However, I must say women are much more limber then men. I just tried it and I can't even come close to doing it. It's like a double cross, right? The foot needs to go behind the half or heel. That's clever! I can see that you would need a little wider pelvic bone to do that.

I learn something new every day!

Thanks,
Westfargo...

I think I actually saw that on some tabloid tv show with a bunch of strippers, some females, some TV's, some TS's. The audience was trying to figure out who was what. During the chat portion one of the genuine women did it and remarked that only women could. So far she seems to have been correct.

WestFargo If I could suck my own dick, I'd never leave the house again. Nor would I be wasting money on Rosa Maria

Better use a condom so you dont catch diseases from your dick.

Yoga stretches the ligaments so the men can do the lotus position of wrapping one leg around the other.

EC, that was one of the best lines yet.

694me - The other move is different than the lotus. The legs have top be pointing forward or down, NOT crossed like sitting. I can do the lotus with no problem but I can't do the crossing the legs thing. One guy told me on IRC the other night that he could, but I'll have to see it to believe it.