AVOID...AVOID..AVOID
This girl has a beautiful face with blonde, shoulder-length hair. Looks a little like Ana Nicole Smith because she has huge cans but this puta has a fairly large ass to match. I always wanted to take a trip with this chica because her face is very pretty and I noticed she was very popular, so I presumed she was buena in la cama.
After a short conversation with a drink..upstairs we went.
Wanted money up front...left her top on (she has huge fake cans mind you), then proceeded to tell me that I needed to pay her more money for a blow job and to take her top off. As I lay there in shock, I asked her (in Spanish) if she learned that trick as a street girl in front of Cascadas. She was in shock...she thought she had a newbie. She then had the nerve to say, "three positions only". Ok bitch...it's time for a hate fuck...and I made sure to grab her ass extra hard to leave a bruise. Each time she said "finish", I fucked her harder and made sure to concentrate on going as long as possible.
She was quite a challenge but I warn all mongers not to try this one. This is one of only a handful of bad experiences I have had in the zona, so the source is good.

HATE FUCK! That's funny and original also!

Wow, I wished I had remembered Blazer's previous post on this chica when I approached her last night. Very pretty face. She had a cute, come-hither look which just sucked me in. She's 19 years old from Guadalajara. She wanted$60, I countered w/ $50 and away we went. Upstairs, she wanted another $10 from me, but I said no, she said $5 more for a real good time. Not wanting to jeapordize getting a bad session, I relinquished to my better judgement and gave her the $5.

Well, she did take her top off but pulled it to her stomach. However, I don't thing her rack is fake. Huge silver dollar nipples and very pendulous chi-chi's. Very nice. Did 3 positions and she kept asking "finished?" (just like BLAZERS post indicated above) every other minute.

After finishing, practically no conversation and just a cold stone fish (reminded me of Sylvia, the ice queen sort of in that respect). I wouldn't bother again w/ this girl. Nice looking, great rack but no warmth whatsoever upstairs. Puts on a nice attitude in the bar, but immediately changes upstairs. In fact, right before getting down to do the deed, she whips out all her money and proceeds to count all of it, which took about 2 min. How utterly unprofessional and inconsiderate.

I went down stairs, and fortunately ran into my Favorita (Sondra from Mexico City), went back upstairs for a double session w/ her and my faith in AB was restored again, thanks to my favorita.

Sandra, is still up to her tricks.

I was with some well informed friends early 3AM on Friday, I was tired but horney and just wanted to cap the night off with one more chica before I headed back to San Diego and my hotel.

My friends warned me that Sandra is known as being very cold upstairs, and trying to get more money once in the room. They advised me to just negotiate everything downstairs and it should be an "O.K." trophy experience. One of my friends even had the incredible encyclopedic memory to recall Blazer's "Hate Fuck" report.

I negotiated "sucky and fucky" and "sin ropa" for $60 and off we went.

In the room she was cold. She immediately told me to wash my hands and "dicky", but I thought that's just good hygiene.

I mounted her missionary, and was about to dive into her rack. She said if I wanted to touch or suck her breasts it would be an additional $20
(I had thought I had all the bases covered in my negotiations downstairs). I think her breasts are real, but they are anything but firm, and in my mind are NOT desirable without her bra on. I easily passed on the $20 offer with a simple "NO".

The "hate fuck" term my friend told me from Blazer's above post came to mind and I proceeded to "bang" her as hard and as long as I could.

Afterword, there was no conversation. She immediately got into the shower and after she got out I got in. When I got out of the shower I found out she had used both of the towels and dropped them on the floor and stepped on them before she left. I was too tired, to really care, and she left with no words exchanged.

I guess I'll never understand the reasoning behind the "hate fuck" that I've read quoted by a number of hombres but I do know that it will never bring a chica to her senses and make her a great provider afterwards. All it can do is make her even more bitter and cautious in an already precarious situation. Sayings like "you can catch more flies with honey then vinegar" and "treat others as you'd like to be treated" come to mind but I realize that don't translate well into this scenerio. Just because an hombre is paying for a chica's time gives NO EXCUSE for abuse on any level. Cut your losses and just spread the word on the bad experience. I also have to think that "almost" any bad or potentially-bad session can be turned around with a little effort leading into great rewards.

I don't know if this thread is about the Sandy I see during the late afternoon who leans against one of the booths by the back dance floor but she does give off an air of aloffness and I have seen her say "no" to guys more then "yes" and I have to think her attitude is based more on her bad experiences then her good ones.

There are a couple other Sandras that this chica could be, or perhaps the bad attitude applies to all of them. There is a Sandra that hangs out in HC who is very slim, pretty, fair skin, short brunette hair, big c-cans, likes to wear tight pants and a tight top that shows sweet cleavage and a nice waist. I've never seen her smile.

There is another Sandra that arrives later and is very pretty, shoulder length blonde hair, huge cans, has a nice hourglass despite being big boned and on the heavy side. I've heard a so so report on her but it coulda just been the dude or her mood.

I do agree with Aardvark completely about cuttin your losses. This "hate f***" thing is uncalled for and only makes things worse for all concerned. One trophy chica told me once everything depends on the dude as to the level of service he gets and he don't have to be Don Juan. I think that's a little exagerrated but there is some truth to it. Besides, if things ain't clicking bueno downstairs and the a-tude ain't there, why bother taking her for a roll in the first place? Party on.

The Dog

I think the "Sandra" I'm referring to is the first one you mentioned. I've seen her smile but it was only when she was sitting with an amigo that has a slight history with her.

Aard: El Tecolate isn't talking about the brunette pony tailed super hottie Sandy. This is a tall very blonde, EXTREMELY buxom witch who has a habit of providing frigid sessions and demanding extra money in the room for essential services that come standard with other chicas. It's quite clear that she HATES being there. She needs to find a new career immediately. If she is demanding $60 for a short half hour, she ought to kick in her part of the deal. Regardless of what a regular might be able to cultivate with her with time and effort, there is no justification for the way she operates. We are not required to seduce these girls to win an acceptable level of service in the room.

But, on the flip side...abuse is not the answer...but I fear that the "hate-fuckers" might not equate it to abuse.

When I say "hate fucks", I do not mean that I in any way abuse these girls...Just a little harder sex..no attempt at GFE. By the way Aardvark..my GFE session rate is about higher than nearly anybody on this board because I do treat these chicas with respect and kindness. It helps to be rich, young and decent-looking..but that's besides the point. Any girl like Sandra should not be abused but should also not be treated with any respect whatsoever. She chose this profession and if she wants to treat people with disrespect then any hard fuck that she gets is par for the course.

I'm with you on the hate fucks. I give them too. If I pay, I expect good customer service and if I don't get it ... they can deal.

-Superman-

Funny the last AB chica I did (last February) is named Sandra, but she works afternoons till maybe 10PM.. Pretty, flaca, light skin, warm in the bar, cold fish upstairs.. YMMV

She hangs around the back (high bar) area for the most part.. Has a C section scar as I recall, but it was only a one time so many months back.. She said she is from Mexico City, has a around 14 months old by now..

$40 (the most I've ever paid to a bar chica) for the "hate fuck", could have been worse.. Funny thing too, is I'd do her again under the right circumstances.. She may have been having a bad attitude day..

To Clarify: By "Hate Fuck", I like Blazers meant NO ABUSE. Certainly fucking as long and as hard as possible is not abuse, and I don't really understand how my post could be misinterpreted as implying any sort of abuse. It would be nice to think my fucking long and hard with a long-time Zona chica like Sandra could possibly cause some sort of injury to her well worn panocha, but I don't seriously think so (at least since I turned fourty)LOL!

I,like most men have known woman who we might not really like as people, but we would still like to have sex with. This is the type of person Sandra seemed like to me.

I certainly much prefer to have good rapport with chicas. I respect them as people and think they provide a much needed service.

The Sandra I posted about is as Erip describes tall, buxom, blonde, with nice face and watermellon breasts.

Since I just joined I have to post these messages in retrospect, but before I knew any better, I went up with a blonde, anna nicole smith type named Sandra. Her boobs are gigantic, easily DD's and probably bigger, with scars all over them. I actually went up to her downstairs so I can't comment on that part of it, but once we were upstairs, she tried to get more money out of me, and she had on a tube top and skirt. She took off her panties, pulled up her skirt, and pulled down her tube top so that both of them just relocated to her stomach. Then she went over to the sink and washed up beforehand. She wanted extra for oral and to touch her boobs, I declined both and she gave me some oral anyway (which is the best I think I've ever had). 2 standard positions and when I was done BOOM, she pulled down her skirt, pulled up her top, put on her panties and practically ran out the door, leaving it open with me standing there buck naked for the whole world to see. What a bitch.

The club girls are starting to sound more and more like SG except for a higher price. That is the exact reason that I have switched to SG. If I loose $15, so be it. If I loose $40-50 because of a bad session, I am pissed.