Here's another piece of advise for any monger that thinks he's found the "perfect girl"... (prog)

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Love and Marriage In Angeles City (AC)
17 January 2002

I'm climbing up on my soapbox now, because I want to say a few words about falling in love with and marrying AC club girls. Mostly I'm talking about "newbies", guys that troop into AC on their first or second trip and immediately think they've found the perfect girl.

A lot of newbies spend a week in AC and think they're in love. Well, they aren't. Because a guy takes a fancy to a particular chick in a club, he thinks she's different from all the rest of the bar girls.

I can't count the number of times I've heard a newbie say, "My girl is different". He seldom repeats it a second time though. There's lots of hooting, hollering, snorting, and outright laughter from expats who live in AC the first time the guy dares to utter that phrase. Maybe they know something the newbies don't? (There is a well-known reply used by local expats in AC, "Don't tell me your girl is different unless she has three tits.")

It's not love, it's simply the proverbial little head doing the thinking again. However the guy has convinced himself it's love, so he accepts bullshit reasons why she constantly needs more cash and illogical excuses why she sometimes disappears on him. Even though common sense should tell him she's lying, he overlooks her "minor faults" because he cares about her. He wants to take care of his special girl, support her when he's not in AC, and ultimately marry her.

I've never known a guy in the real world to shack up with a bar chick for a week or so, and then want to give her money. I've never known a guy that took a trip to Germany, Japan or anywhere else, get laid by some bar chick for a few days, and return home thinking he's in love and wanting to send her money. Why in hell do guys that go to the PI for a week or two want to do that?

There is no way anyone can accurately judge the character of a another person in a couple of weeks or a month. In that short a period of time, a guy can't tell if his special AC chick is honest and trustworthy, or giving blow jobs in the john when he's not around.

Most guys wouldn't give his male friends a couple of hundred bucks to hold, but a lot of them are perfectly willing to send it to their chicks in AC every month. Do guys really believe AC bar chicks will be faithful just because they promise to be so?

I know a lot of guys want to support their chick so she won't have to work in the club. Besides thinking he's in love, he has another reason to send her money. He doesn't want other dudes poking his pussy or sticking their dicks in her mouth. He believes if he sends his girl money, she will refrain from screwing around. I am here to tell everyone that ninety-five percent of the time, it won't work.

I have reported in the last three or four years upwards to fifty stories where a chick is already fucking before the boy friend gets home. I personally know one situation where the girl was screwing before the guy managed to get out of the city limits of AC. He left her on the steps of the hotel, and as he rode off to Manila, she turned around and went back into the hotel to the room of a guy waiting for her. I know because I was the guy in the room.

I would estimate at least fifty percent of the girls at a minimum, are screwing other foreign guys when the boy friend isn't in town. Hey, they give the chick money too. Local expats in AC generally agree about fifty percent of the club girls have Philippino boy friends. If you ask the girls themselves, they think it's higher, seventy percent and up.

So even if a guy's girl isn't seeing other foreign guys, the chances are fifty-fifty (at least) that the money he sends her is going into the Philippino boy friend's pocket, or at least being spent on him. And for sure, he's bouncing up and down on her. That means in reality, a guy has at best about one chance in four she's not screwing someone else.

Newbies do not understand the bars in AC. The club chicks are not there for hoots and giggles. They're there to make money. If they didn't make money, they wouldn't be there. And no, they wouldn't go to the clubs to meet a nice guy, fall in love, and get married either. They're there solely for the cash.

The AC club girls are experts at extracting cash from their customers, because they are the best in the world at convincing guys they really care about them. It is very difficult, even for someone with experience, to tell if an AC club girl is serious or just working, and he can't do it in one night, a week, or a month. For a newbie, it's impossible to differentiate between her act and true love.

The reality is, the AC club girls are hookers. They sell pussy. Day in, day out, they sell pussy. They're selling pussy when they're working in the club. They're selling pussy when they're walking down the street. They're selling pussy when they're sitting in M-ville or any other restaurant. They're selling pussy when the boy friends are sleeping in the room and they're out by the pool.

Unless the chick is a cherry, and even that's doubtful these days in AC, why does a guy think he's the first one she ever spent a week or two, or a month with? Why does he think he's the first one she ever took a trip with? When a chick crawls up in a guy's lap, why does he think it's the first time she's ever done that? When he pays her bar fine and gets the best lay and finest blow job of his life, why does he think he's the first one? Stop and ponder for a minute how she acquired those particular skills.

The AC club girls have refined the art to a science. Their methods haven't changed in fifty years, just some of the tools of the trade. Email is an excellent example. Before email the chicks wrote letters, now they use the internet to keep themselves endeared to the guy and keep the money flowing.

Often the chick will take a friend to help her write a proper email message to her boy friend. If you've ever used email in AC, I'm sure you've noticed many times two girls sitting at one computer. If you overhear them laughing and giggling, it's because they are reading the boy friend's email and marveling at how dumb and gullible he is.

Occasionally a chick will bring her Philippino boy friend. He will watch as she sends out lovey-dovey email messages to the guy back home. There are even books in the PI with examples, on how to write love letters.

When most guys in AC get that feeling of love, there's usually no way to convince them they haven't found the "catch of the decade". They normally turn a deaf ear to their friends. If you know someone that's just itching to send money to his chick and you can't talk him out of it, here's some guidelines for him.

First, move her out of AC. Most likely she's probably not going to want to leave all her friends. That should give the guy a little hint right there. If she refuses to leave AC, she's almost certainly bullshitting. If she stays in AC, chances are she will screw around, whether she's working in the bars or not. She still knows other guys that's coming to AC, and probably still emails them. (Try to accompany her the next time she goes to check her email and watch her reaction.)

Secondly, assuming you want to keep her out of the bar, she has to find something to occupy her time.
Her friends and roommates will still be working in the clubs. She's not going to stay home very long, day and night, watching TV. She'll get bored and will soon be right back into the bar scene with her friends. A regular (non-bar) job or school are about the only two options an chick has in AC to occupy her time. A third option is to send her to the province, where she will probably just sit around. There's no guarantee she won't be fooling around with the local guys though.

Thirdly, determine if she is serious about doing something with her life. Sitting on her butt all day and partying at night doesn't count. If she's only giving the guy lip service about a non-bar job or going to school, she's just conning him.

Fourth, lay down rules for her and if she can't or won't follow them, cut her loose. Specifically, determine how much money to send her each month. She will test the guy, to see if she can get more. I guarantee it. Limits have to be set with her, otherwise the guy will end up supporting her, her Philippino boy friend, and part or all of her family.

Lastly, no one should be surprised or upset when he arrives back in AC and find his new lifetime partner has been screwing and blowing every guy in town that bumped into her. If this happens, just chalk it up to experience.

Some of you right now are thinking, "He's been supporting a chick in the PI for over three years."
That's true, and I violated every rule in my own book when I got hooked up with the Brown Bunny.
There were several mitigating factors however that facilitated our permanent arrangement.

First, I had just stopped drinking when I met her. If I had continued to drink, there is no way we would be together today. I would still be bringing two or three chicks home and getting naked in the pool with them (Great fun!).

Secondly, she has never been "high maintenance". That is, it doesn't require a lot of money to support her. She's not into buying jewelry or clothes. The only jewelry she wears is a couple of earrings that she had when I first met her. I've never bought her jewelry. Actually, I've bought her very little of anything. The most expensive item I've ever purchased for her was a cell phone.

Thirdly, in 1998, I spent almost four straight months in AC when I was fighting with my employer.
The Brown Bunny and I were together most of that time. I had more than two or three weeks or a month to get to know her. (If you say, "Well, four months ain't that long either.", then you've just proved my point.)

In those four months, I never got requests for extra money, and never heard any bullshit from her about anything. She never disappeared on me. She never took off for the province while I was there
(The America Province, The Phoenix Province, The Swagman Province?)

Fourth, she had finished two semesters of college and was serious about returning to school. Oh, I didn't believe it either for a long time. She finally convinced me she wasn't just conning me. I finally agreed to pay for her school and support, but told her if she dropped out of school, all support would immediately end. That was June 1998. She will graduate next month with a BS in Secondary Education.

Lastly, she lives and goes to school in Manila. I told her from the onset of the relationship I would not even consider supporting her if she remained in AC.

Did I take a chance with her? Yes, but she convinced me she was serious about going back to school and getting her degree. I have been going to the Philippines since 1977, and she's the only one that's ever convinced me she was truly serious.

Is or has she been screwing around on me? Yeah maybe, but I don't think so. It just doesn't seem to be in her character. If I thought she was, I would have cut her loose a long time ago. I don't want any of you horny dudes poking my pussy either.

Will the relationship last? Who knows? Even marriage isn't guaranteed. So OK, how about marrying one of the AC club girls and bringing her home?

It's like taking a fish out of water. Remember, most of the club girls didn't finish high school. A lot of them haven't made it past the sixth grade. They know absolutely nothing about foreign countries. Most of them have severe misconceptions about life in the States, Australia or Europe. I know girls that think after they hit the States, it will be a huge non-stop party like in AC. They think they will be laying around the pool all day and bar hopping with their hubby and friends at night. They don't realize that most guys have to work during the day, and that there are no bar areas at home like Fields Avenue in AC.

They will sit around the house all day while hubby is working. Oh, she's going to work? Hell, it's almost impossible for illegal aliens to get a job in the States now. What's a legal immigrant going to do?

And six months down the road, what are they going to talk about? Has anyone ever seen an AC club chick read a magazine or book, or watch the news on TV? Very few of them do. And I can guarantee in almost every case, in a year or so, the guy will get bored and the pussy will get old. What does he do then?

Sending money to a club girl is of small consequence. That'll just cost guys some cash until they wise up. Marriage however is serious stuff. Marriage is supposed to be forever, and despite what a lot of self-styled experts will tell you, it's not always easy or simple to just toss the chick on the plane and fly her back to the PI when the marriage goes sour.

In summary, if an AC chick has little or no education, no ambition, and no interest in getting out of the bars and improving her life, sadly to say, guys have very little chance of a successful long term relationship with her.

Joe

Some of them end up at the Trophy Lounge in National City. I used to go there mid afternoon for a drink and they had a real cute barmaid. She used to tell me which of the early girls had husbands at sea and no friends to clue him in.
I havn't been in there for a couple of years. Things may have changed.

694me,

The only thing that has changed at the Trophy Lounge is there are more non-sailors going there and the Filipinas are a little older now that the US Navy doesn't have a base in the Philippines. Xkansan told me that the Trophy Lounge was voted "Easiest Bar to Get Laid At"... I believe it. After my divorce I hit the Lounge and scored within a few hours. I've gone back from time to time but I didn't really like the crowd... (prog)

Are you talking about National City in the San Diego area?

Yes...

God, how cynical you are Progman. Of course that is mitigated somewhat by the fact that you are right. I take exception to two things you said, however. One is that the guy who thinks he is in love is wrong. Sorry, but he is indeed in love if he thinks he is - if what you meant is that she is not in love with him, then I have no argument. The second would be where you say that the AC girls are no different than hookers everywhere else because 50 - 95% are screwing around on their supposed boyfriends. If your percentage is right, these girls are indeed exceptional. I would say that for the girls I have known in the USA, Mexico, and now Thailand, the percentage is more like 99%. Your advice is right on the money; pretty much the same set of rules that I use.

BTW, The Trophy Lounge is still the same.

Hippie,

Please don't misunderstand me. I love this town and these girls. I am not cynical - just well informed. Your points are well taken. I think what Joe meant to imply is more in the area of "puppy-love". By that I think Joe is saying that the "guy in love" is using some of his heart, some of his penis, and not much of his brain in his decision-making process. This article, like any opinion, needs to be taken with a "grain of salt", but Joe's been right so far... (prog)

I am a divorce lawyer in San Diego. 25% of my cases deal with Philipino women whom divorce their military spouses after they get their papers. Later on, they want to know when they can immigrate their "new " Philipino boyfriend from the Phillipines. Next, they want to know how to adjust the status of every remaining relative in the Phillipines. I like to call it the "adjustment of status shuffle".

Be careful with Philipinas. They have great hearts but their parents encourage them to get to the states any way they can...even if it means faking it with a foreigner. Just like any other culture, the parents would rather their daughter marry a Filipino. In the long run, that's what happens.

Blazers,

Wow, those are amazing, yet not surprising, statistics. Thanks for the information... (prog)

Yeah...

And I was one of those statistics. Took my X from subic, had what I thought was 5 years of a great marriage, great sex (she could suck the chrome off a bumper), and a wonderful son. Ironically, 2 weeks after she got her U.S. citizenship I caught her in the rack with what I thought was a friend. After I filed for divorce she had the nerve to ask for my forgiveness and not divorce her, yeah right.
I do believe that you can have a successful marriage with a PI bar girl but man you better do your homework first. These women want on thing... to get to the states. Ever wonder why a 20YO hottie would be willing to marry a 46yo bald, fat monger like myself. Because she loves me long time.
Oldsailor

Oldsailor, please email her phone number to porquer@yahoo.com??? TIA!!! Oh, and SOOOO sorry about you problemas. REALLY...

Porker...

No problem, that was a long time ago. My x was a total fox. After I found out she was fucking around I suggested we become swingers. Figured as good looking as she was I could get some fine pussy also on a swap. She did not like the idea at all. But man she loved to suck dick. Ah... those were the days. Anyway... took the AB fav to El Parador yesterday and had a great time. Got back to the linea at 7PM and walked right thru. Another great day in TJ

Bitter fruits, the letter of Prog to some degree, sounded representational of lots in AC or similiar places around the world. Ironically overhead one girl talking about her friend, who had some guy who lived in Korea, a retired serviceman, 63 yoa, sent an email to an 18 yoa, bar girl,in it he said for her to not go Bar fine, etc,,etc, all the while she was swimming in the pool with her barfine of the day. Poor guy,it is his intentions to marry the 18yo.... think someone said 8/10 bargirl relationships/marriages end in divorce.

"(There is a well-known reply used by local expats in AC, 'Don't tell me your girl is different unless she has three tits.')"

Does art imitate life or life imitate art? After idling reading this thread and forgetting about it, I headed south for a special fiesta with my two top amigas especiales.

Numero Uno was at Casa de Ricardo in my hotel before she started work for a "mini fiesta". As I slipped her favorite music into the player I heard a rustling on the bed behind me. When I turned around, she was totally naked, smiling, and said in her newly-learned English, "fuuuck me, please". How cute. Especially the "please" part.

As we faced each other while up nice and tight, I reached down to take first the left and then the right nipple in my lips. Suddenly, she laughed excitedly, "Mira. Mira." (Look. Look) and pointed down to the white sheets. At first I couldn't see what she was pointing at. Then suddenly I saw it, hesitated for a second, and broke out in one of the hearteous laughs I've experienced in a long time. The light from behind her was casting a shadow fron her body on the sheets. As she was leaning, her left tit was casting a perfect shadow of the tit and the jutting nipple on the bed. I looked at her left tit, her right tit, and the shadow on the sheets and laughed and laughed and laughed. She had three tits!

Regards,
RickFeliz

HEY PROGMAN, I'VE BEEN READING YOUR REPORTS AND YOU'RE WELL ON THE MONEY WITH YOUR LOVE AND MARRIAGE IN AC COMMENTARY. MY ADDITIONS ARE IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A WIFE THE BARS OF AC ARE NOT THE PLACE. LOOK FOR A FILIPINA WITH 1)A COLLEGE EDUCATION 2)A REAL JOB 3)A STABLE EDUCATED FAMILY 4)WEEKLY ATTENDENCE AT CHURCH. YOU WILL DEFINATELY LOOSE THAT "FUN FACTOR" THAT A BAR GIRL OFTEN HAS, BUT WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES? WHEN I'M IN AC I'M THERE TO HAVE FUN AND THERE'S NO BETTER PLACE THAN FIELDS AVE. FOR THAT. WHEN IT COMES TIME TO FIND A WIFE, I SURE WON'T LOOK IN THE BARS.

Archie29621,

You are correct - AC is the last place you want to go to find a suitable wife, however, it amazes me how many guys find LOVE in AC. I just talked to a guy the other day at work. He married a girl from the bars and he said they had been happily married for 15 years. When I asked him how old she was when he met her he said she was 16 years and had only been working the bars for about 3 months. If this girl was 1 year older or had another 6 months in the bars she'd have the "system" figured out and he would have been a few dollars poorer. To all reading this - believe me when I say I am not a pessimist. I just try to keep a focused mind. This doesn't always happen and I end up getting fucked over from time to time. Just ask Epimetheus - he saw it... (prog)

Prog

It happens to the best of us!! We all know the ropes and then we suddenly find ourselves with it around our necks!! Personally, TJ holds more kryptonite for me then AC. In AC, ALL the girls treat you like they love you and you're the only one they REALLY care for (honest!!). I see that freight train coming a mile away!! However in TJ, I guess I'm just so surprised when I find a girl that pretends to give 1/2 of a shit that it throws me for a loop!! How many stupid conversations about this have we had about this while standing opposite the walk of shame (aka the stairs to Hotel Najera)...?

The test will be my next trip. I might just end up coming back married!! heheh

E

I once took the Fly-the-Bus back to Ermita with my sweetie from AC. I made casual talk with another man and his Filipina from AC. Later she came to my room at the Swagman where we all checked in, to ask me advice on where to send her INS forms that her fiance had sent her. I mean, here she is almost getting married and she's escorting and no doubt in my mind, screwing, her newest barfine back to the airport. It's quite easy to think you are in love with some of the AC girls, but be extra sober in thinking these mostly very uneducated girls would ever have a serious chance of adjusting to a new life here. Girls working in the bars come from families or life histories that have really faltered, otherwise they wouldn't be there, so the advice about finding a wife with a college education, a good family is very valid.

I have a friend I work with that is from the Philippines. He tells me "stay away from the city girls. You need a nice girl from the country that's educated - not like those bargirls from Manila, Angeles, Subic etc." He's using his family living in the PI to find me a woman there that's smart and family oriented. He tells me the history of the woman and if his family approves. I've "chatted" with a few of them and found them to be FAR SMARTER then the any bargirl I've ever met with great english skills. They have all been to college and have marketable skills. Also, they WANT to work!! Very different the the BG scene. A refreshing change. The only bummer is when you go to visit you can't break out the usual questions:

Are you cherry?
Are you menstruating?
Do you suck dick?
Do you swallow?
How long will you stay?
Is you ass cherry?
Is your sister working here?
Is she cute?
Are you really 18?
Could you STOP singing karaoke?
Why is your clit 6 inches long?
You like boom-boom 12 times a day?
You don't mind if my friend takes pictures?
How many of your friends can I invite over before you get upset?

Those are the basic questions. You can always change those up as you see fit.

Some days, after dealing with bitchy ladies here or across the border in TJ, I find the lure of a Pinay bride almost too much... heheh

E

I don't know if I'm unique but generally I go to the Philippines to meet a few prospective bride types obtained from penpal businesses or from the internet. Some of these girls are educated, some are not. Well, anyways, it's quite difficult to find out where these girls live because of their very screwy address system which is totally of random structure, that is to say, addresses are not necessarily in sequential order. So, you finally meet the lady, geez, you get overwhelmed in no time by countless relatives and friends, way too many to ever remember. Everything is so formal that if drives you nuts. Then during the nights I find I want female company and head to the bars, where I find the women more inviting and often more beautiful. This has been an ongoing problem with me in searching for a wife in the Phils. I know it's possible to find a good wife there, but it's not as easy you may think, especially considering there are so many diversions all about. You have to be extremely focused to get married there.

Don't do it. They have the immigration system wired. First, marry an American. After you get your citizenship, get a divorce. Then file adjustment of status papers for your mom, dad, sisters, brothers and the kids they never told you about. It's a big scam. I live in San Diego and it's done so often that it has become a fun joke for those of us who are divorce and immigration lawyers.

Here is a list of questions I get asked by Filipinas on a daily basis in my office:
1. How long does it take to get a divorce?
2. How do I file papers to get my family to U.S.?
3. I have boyfriend in PI, how long fiance visa take?
4. My friend tell me I get half of his military retirement, is that true?
5. Can I get spousal support, I don't have a job (they no have go go jobs in U.S.)?
Do what you want, but I have found Thai girls to be just as materialistic but much more up front about it. In addition, Filipinas always get fat as they get older due to their diet, whereas, Thai women stay thin.

I have two long time American friends who have married "good" girls from the Philippines, neither of the Filipinas were especially educated, maybe H.S. grads. One hold two low paying jobs here and she sends her pay checks home, the other is supported by her husband. He deals with expensive phone bills but both have learned to give their wives calling cards with set dollar/minutes to curb those costs. Both are happily married. My third friend met his Filipina who was a new arrival in AC, they lived a year in Thailand, then moved to Manila to get her fiance visa, once they got it six months later, they moved to the USA and got married. Immediately she had culture shock and was in dire need of returning to her homeland. He reluctantly let her do it and she came back knowing she really didn't want to live there anymore. From my inquiries, none have filed for other family members to come here. I'm certainly not dismissing your advice here but there are all types out there. I think the post made about finding a college educated Filipina from a stable family is the key to finding a good wife in the Phils. For the most part, the women you are talking about in San Diego or National City, I'll assume, were once bar girls because that is where most U.S. sailors find their mates, thus I'll also assume these girls are from broken families, with no education, with lazy parents and who are going to require or demand constant financial support. True, Filipinas often gain weight as they age due to their diet but I don't think that is the main focus of this topic. My brother who married a Filipina here in the US, met in college, has gained some weight, but she is still a good looking lady and gaining some weight after bearing a child is somewhat normal in most women anyways. I've heard the advice more than once, find a girl that has no family, an orphan.

There has not been a post on this topic in 7 months, although it has recently become a hot topic in the trip buddies section. Let's hear situations from Americans who are currently married to Filipinas, Americans who are divorced from Filipinas, Americans who are in the process of marrying Filipinas and Americans who are in the process of getting divorced from Filipinas. I imagine each one will have it's own twist, and each one will be as different as the couples themselves.

I guess I fall in the category of almost marrying a Filipina bargirl. I met a wonderfully beautiful and somewhat shy 19 year old gal at the former Tahitian Queen in AC several years ago. She was the sweetest, most down to earth girl I'd ever met (anywhere in the world). We corresponded by email almost daily. I'd visited AC 5 times over the course of 1 1/2 years. I asked her to marry me after about 3 months. She said yes. We even went to an attorney in PI to straighten out her papers and all. Unfortunately, I had to come back to the States to open a new business and I didn't go back for almost a year. We continued to correspond by email almost every day. I went back to AC after my business was finally stable and she told me that she now had a Filipino boyfriend. They never had sex, just friends who hung out. Yeah, right. Anyway, I figured she was probably lonely after 1 year of not having been with someone (heck, I was--so I went south of the border several times to take care of my animalistic urges, thus I wouldn't blame her for doing the same). Well, after my 2nd month back in the States, I never got an email from her again even though the last email was "I love you forever and I hope we will be together forever."

Well, I had some people who lived in AC do some snooping for me and indeed she did have a Filipino boyfriend who she was hanging out with. I guess she just found that whole scene more convenient for her. It was tough. She truly was the only girl I'd ever loved and wanted to marry. I'm 40 years old (people tell me I look about 30), a doctor, attractive (so I'm told) and I offered a great opportunity for my sweet darling Filipina girlfriend (who had a 3 year old son) to get out of her situation (she lived in a "shack" with out running water, a tin roof, no bathroom, and she worked to feed her, her mother, brother,son, and her cousins, aunts, etc.). Alas, she decided to stay in her present situation.

As far as her true intent and love for me. I felt it was very genuine in the beginning (1st year). Because I'd heard all the horror stories, I was very leery of her honest intent. However, I'd watch and listen to her closest friends reactions to her. They genuinely were teasing her because they saw how she really was in love. Her friends would also write notes to me telling me how they'd never seen her truly fall in love with a guy before and that I had better be nice to their friend who they really cared for and respected because she had hung her heart so out in the open. However, in the end I think time apart and distance played a big factor in our seperation.

Would I do it all over again? In a heart beat. I do believe that true love can be found in AC. However this time, I'd wouldn't wait so long to go back. It was my ignorance thinking that this underprivileged girl would wait forever for her knight-in-shining armor American boyfriend to rescue her.

Sad story. Sounds like it was her loss though. Did you ever marry a Filipina after all? Have you kept tabs on this girl? I wonder if she is still works the bars in AC. I know a girl who was a former door girl at the Tahitian Queen a few years back, and I can check with her. If you're interested, just send me a PM with her name and I will check it out.

Thanks Archie29621 for the kind note. Nope, never did marry a Filipina.

Unfortunately, I didn't rejoin ClubHombre as a member. Here's my email if you can email me I'll email you back. It would be great if you could find a little info on her:
n8guy@excite.com

N8guy

I also have a good friend that was one of the girls from the TQ. I talk to her at least once a week. Send me an email and I'll do all the "digging" I can: lookingforpandora@yahoo.com

E - MM

I actually have a friend that's engaged to a nice girl he met in the PI back in July. She's not a club girl - never worked in one. She's honest and treats him like a king. Hope that works out for him...

E

For the "Club Hombre Dumb Ass Award of the Century" go to "Topics", then to "Off Topics", then to "Relationships" and have yourself a good laugh!

P.S. Then go to "My buddy and his virgin bar-girl asian bride"

I think they are talking about me again...