The most frustrating thing about Thailand is being able to identify the difference between post-operation ladyboys and life-long girls. About 80% percent of the ladyboys are obvious but the other 20% boggles the mind.
The only way to tell the difference is to look for signs not so obvious. Many ladyboys take hormones, remove their adam's apple and have a high voice. Here are some hints:
1. If they have a tit job it's likely they are a ladyboy. Just ask. Very rarely do beautiful girls in Thailand go under the knife (too bad).

2. Facial surgery-ladyboys will usually get a nose job or cheek bone surgery and sometimes done by damn good surgeons. Remember, plastic surgery is cheap in Thailand. Good tit jobs cost about $1,000 bucks.

3.If your suspicious..ask them if they were a boy or a girl when they were born.

4. Limit your drinking. Nobody wants to wake up with a dick in their ass. Always inspect every girl to make sure she has a clit.

Dude, 20% are obviouse 80% are not. There are some you'd swear are women when you asked they are ladyboys.

i haven't had any trouble in BKK with the ladymen but phuket is a real challenge - more on the DJ scale of 80% are not obvious. in fact, if the "chick" is a freelancer, has makeup on, and looks super hot....forget about it. she was previously a man. if any of you have stopped to admire the ladies dancing at the Tequila Bar on the main street in Patong, you have admired these ladymen.

let me provide some additional warning signs, unfortunately from personal experience:

1. you hear the bathroom door lock when they go in to take their shower.

2. confirm blazers comment - watch out for fake tits. especially if they are rock hard.

3. they ask to have the lights and the tv turned off.

4. they ask to pull the covers up over both of you in the bed because they are too shy.

5. can also confirm the drinking part but too tough to avoid that.

as you can probably tell, good 'ol buick had a real interesting night once. didn't realize my problem until i had the covers pulled over my head and was moving in to insert. then, a mental light went on and all these warning signs finally dawned on me. why did "she" lock the bathroom door, why the lights and the TV, why the rock hard tits, etc... etc...

i demanded for the thing to spread the legs so i could check it out - as i was chanting "you are ladyman, you are ladyman" she was chanting "no, i just shy, no i just shy". yea right. paid 200 baht to get that thing the hell out of my room. unfortunately, i had received a BJ prior to the move under the covers. that was tough to recover from. fortunately, i was able to get back out to the bars that same night and get a real woman.

the weird thing is that i dragged the thing out of Pink Panther a go go. from what i understood at the time, the go go's didn't allow these types to work so all you had to do was avoid the freelancers and you'd be guaranteed a woman.

saw the thing the next night working the street and got the evil eye. oh well......

p.s. i dragged this thing out in front of my buddies and i got the full thumbs up from all three of them. none of us had any clue.

Could not help but stare at amazing 10 post-op ladyboy working Cowboy One in Soi Cowboy. Flawless body, flashed me when dancing. Knew ladyboy because heard voice slip when he/she didn't see me walking by.

Such a great job was wondering if it really matters in the end?

Let me rephrase

Such a great job I was wondering if it really matters.

Ladyboys can't/won't stick their dicks in your ass. That would be defeating their purpose. Most of them don't have functioning dicks, anyway.

correct. you don't need to worry about a dick in your ass - they don't have one no more.

let me pass along one more sad fact about my pathetic evening. there is a guard at the elevator at the holiday inn in patong. the night before my mishap, i was laughing with the guy as the dude that went up the elevator before me was with a ladyman. i knew because i saw the thing dancing at the tequila bar. the guard and i laughed and laughed. 24 hrs later, same guard and the joke was on me !!!! fuck !!!!

Prior to my first trip to BKK/Pattaya Blazers had said not to worry about ladyboys working in established go-go bars. I am sticking by my opinion that there were two working inside the Emergency Room in Pattaya. They were the two hottest girls I'd seen in a long time and outfits were killer. It took alot of scrutinizing to determine they were not "right" and unfortunately I was with no one to second my opinion. One of the girls did kind-of acknowledge that she was "different" when I made a comment that I was confused by "things that aren't what they look like." She understood but didn't say anything, and I took it as an admission. I admit, however, that I never saw any other ladyboys (that I could tell) in any go-go bars.

There are the pre op ladyboys and the post ops.
The first is easier to tell. Like that he/she in the movie The Crying Game.

The later, the post ops, are real, real hard to tell. Some you can tell, some you can't. They've got their plumbings done. Their pubic hair is just like a well groomed women's. Not like a guys, all bushy. You gotta spread their legs to inspect.

You cant even tell from fucking.

Can we start a running list of known ladyboys? Possibly giving name, where they work and number... It may save some of us from a "close call".

Let's face it guys. If you are going to be an International Monger eventually you will have a close encounter with the third kind. Not MAYBE or IF, but WHEN you do remember that you are not the first to be fooled. Just be glad that you are not blind drunk ... 'cause if you are ... well, it just could make for a very interesting next morning.

Such a database would be impossible to fill with enough info to "protect" oneself. I saw an incerdible amount of them in Pattaya (almost every hot girl I saw). They are everywhere.

So far, I have not had any problem IDing the guys in girls bodies. Most of them are giveaways. They either try too hard to do what girls do or their faces are just too obvious. But watch--- in March, I'll post about the chica that fooled me until I inspected the box.

I haven't heard much about katooeys trying to get it on with guys who think they're girls. Anyone else?

I found that the most drop dead gorgeous ones were generally(and unfortunately) the lady boys.

In Phuket they would parade around out in the street outside the clubs in Vegas style show girl costumes, flashing and causing total traffic jams.

The bars and the streets would get so filled with people at around 1 or 2AM that sometimes it was literally shoulder to shoulder and hold on to your money belt or wallet.

One of them approached me that was absolutely stunning and asked if I liked her/him.

I said man you look great but you look dangerous
too. He/she hit me with a short inside right so hard I saw stars.

Anyway that's my experience if it looks to good to be true it probably is or isn't...

Oh you know what I mean...

Pray, what are these fair damsels charging a night?

They were asking the going rate in Phuket about
1000 to 1200 bhat, about $30.

Thinking about adventure?

>>He/she hit me with a short inside right so hard I saw stars.>>

Sorry, he/she/it would have been laid out if he/she/it clocked me. I would then disappear...

Indyla,

Even though I'm trained to fight I was caught totatly off guard (besides being shit faced), when the stars cleared all I could see was the plume of feathers on his/her head disappearing into the crowd.

Hey you can't win 'em all. Just most of them.

Enjoy

Buick, according to your post the first girl I did in Thailand was a post-op ladyboy.

Damn, I broke the rules 1 through 3 for that trip.

I am telling you, d'Artagnan, I have been worrying about the accuracy of your "TS radar" based on the photos you have been posting.

For example, the "girl" in your recent photos "Carnival" 1, 3, 4 looks awfully suspicious to me. And then, the "Cupidy" may be a post-op.

It is actually fun to try to guess from photos.

d'artagnan, i'm sorry to hear that someone else failed to pick up the warning signs as they were being set forth. the fake tits are perhaps the best sign, the only thai gal that i remember with fake tits was my "special" ladyman friend.

let me guess, when you picked up your gal, she was wearing a nice evening dress with heels and had some serious make-up going on.

That girl at Cupidy is 90% chance at being post-op with some good facial surgery.

Jceez, the pic of the Thai girl you posted is real hot. I hope she is not a ladyboy. LOL.

For those of you never been there, that's a possibility that a cutie like THAT could have been a male before. BTW, they can also have their adams apple shaved, their boob job not rock hard(saline). For me, I run away if I find a cutie's a ladyboy(That's what I hear the Thais call them, not so much ladymen).

You asked a good question, does it really matter in the end LOL. I went with a bunch of friends and a couple of them got fooled. We laughed for days. One of my friends, this dude gets laid often in US for free, said right after the deed :"That was the best fuck of my life."

I'm certain that the Carnival girl was a genuine girl, I didn't do her anyways, though, I just hung out with her because she was cool. I wanted to do her friend, Luscious A, but she wouldn't go with me.

If the Cupidy girl was a post op, she was good enough to fool the Cupidy staff. I don't think that establishment would risk their reputation by allowing a post-op to work as a superstar, but I could be wrong.

Good question: Would most massage parlors allow or not allow a post-op to work there?

Most massage parlors have post-ops and I have seen them all throughout Bangkok. The reasons are that many German's and Brit's request them. In the alternative, I think that management at many of the establishments really have no idea. Health cards can be bought and ladyboys probably know exactly where to get them.

I now wonder if some of the models in Cman's Thai photos are possible post-ops. Ooy, Nok, Somai, Eed, and Ewe (Ewe 1 was a nominee for the best photo for the Hombre award!) are all gorgeous and well made up. But, they all show "sharpness" more common among post-ops.

I found a new way to identify ladyboys. First follow the signs that I noted previously. If that fails, look for signs that the girl is feminine to the extreme. Dramatic flips of the hair or exaggerated feminine walks or expressions are signs that the ladyboy is trying to overcompensate. Thai women are feminine but their femininity is not exaggerated.

Good points Blazers, I would add to listen carefully to how they speak.

Many Thai girls I was with spoke quickly without pausing, sometimes I had to ask them to repeat things if they spoke too fast.

The ladyboys that approached me all spoke clearly and deliberately. It was very easy to understand them.

The real girls don't need to try to be girls and weren't as feminine. Kinda sucks because I like very feminine girls.

This may sound wierd but often ladyboys ears stick out much more than a real girls... just one of those strange observations.... has anyone else noticed this?

Can you actually beleive that every single
girl on this picture is a ladyboy??
Well, it's true ...

Are you still sceptical?

Here we go again ...

The very last one ... in case you still had doubts ...

Hey Southwest, was that group photo taken in a club or at one of the big dragshow theaters?

I am not into ladyboys at all. Someone else emailed me the images quite some time ago, and I was cleaning my HD and decided to get rid of them this strange way.

Did anybody has a really good experience with a ladyboy? And, does anybody aware, what are the ladyboy's particular interests towards farang men? I mean, what they hope to do/get? Give or/and get blowjob? Give or/and get anal fck? I'm just curious.

What ladyboys hope to get is baht.

I picked up one go-go girl at Nana that acted very strange. She got on top, and then put me from behind her (I've never seen that before). She was wet, so I don't think she stuck me in her ass, although I couldn't even swear that she didn't sneak in some lube while distracting me with a BJ.

The other thing I noticed was that her butt was in good shape, lots of muscles. Apart from that, she seemed very girly to me, and I did pick up her at a 'respectable' club. I have been inside Casanova, and the ladies there were all 6 inches taller than me, whereas this girl was shorter than me.

So, maybe I did a kotoey, maybe not. Maybe I should inspect my girls a little closer after they come out of the shower, to see what's under the towel.

6 inches taller than you? They were Thai men at one time or still are and they are rarely above 5'6" tall...you must be a little guy.

If I ever find a Thai pooying 6 inches taller than me I'm quitting the hobby !!!

If I ever find a Thai pooying 6 inches taller than Khun Mor, I'm running like hell in the opposite direction!

Got DQ'd in the middle of the pics...here goes again:

C'mon
Look at the hands on the winner. She could palm a friggin basketball. She also has the neck of a football player . She's soooo obviously katoey I'm surprised they chose her. Musta sucked the judges.
The only stealthy katoey is the one in the third pic. She could fool me pretty easily.

You dont think the Katoey in the top 2 pics is stealthy.....thats bullshit. I guarantee you if I mixed her pics with pics of regular girls, the only way you would have an idea that it is an lb is because of the enhanced breasts.

Sorry --She looks like a dude, especially the first pic. No hips and a masculine(Thai)face although tryin to look feminine.

We'll leave it to the voters, if anyone's man enough to read a thread titled Ladyboys. :-)

I have a question, are all these ladyboys? Because I am kinda of attracted to first 2 faces.

Athos, since our tastes are similar I can say you will need to be more careful in go-go's. According to Blazers you need to be careful in MPs too, although I haven't heard anyone else confirm this.

If your go-go or freelancer interest is not a petite spinner, first checks are hands and feet. Adams apples are not always visible and they are adept at hiding it. Also listen for what sounds like an "effort" to sound feminine. Personally the voice took a while for me to get used to because the Thai language and corresponding voices already sound weird to begin with. I'm still not sure who well I can determine by voice.

Some think they are easy to tell. I think Latin ones are easy to tell, but with some of the Thai ones I'll have to agree with DickJohnson and Buick above...maybe not 80%, but a high enough percentage to take extra caution.

Oh...it may also be more difficult this being a first trip to Asia. The face/body standard from Latin America to Asia is much different.

First two ladies I fell in love with in Thailand were both Ladyboys and all my friends who were regulars had a laugh!

Athos

Don't lose any sleep over this. You'd be surprised how easy it is to tell the difference when you're sober. Go easy on the booze and you'll have less trouble.

D'art

I've found that a few of the ladies in the MPs have implants. This does not mean she's been converted in the shop, but rather wants to look good from the fishbowl.

I've also noticed a number of katoeys cropping up that are under 5'4" tall. Some are even about 5'!! The variance in feet and hands is harder to notice. At that point you rely on shape of face, size of ears, lack of hips, extra shimy in the walk, etc.

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Worst case scenario, you discover your error in selection at some point and send "her" out the door with a tip for her troubles. No harm, no foul. The odds are VERY good that more then a few of the hobbyists from this site have probably been with katoeys and never known it...

E

Yes, Athose....they are all ladyboys.

i think all you "boys" professing your feelings for other men should move on over to www.luvamanwithtits.com and leave hombre to discuss the the gendre that was born with a pussy.

At least Blazer's pics didn't show a cock...

U know the first two were rather... nah forget it!

Hmmm - very negative there DM. I wouldn't be surprised if your surpressing some instinctual urges there. Maybe your closet is filled with movies like "chicks with dick" and "katoey balls across the nose". Methinks you've got issues. Perhaps you're in denial - you know, it's not just a river in Egypt...

Seriously though, if it walks like a lady, looks like a lady, sounds like a lady and FUCKS like a lady (has the three appropriate holes) then can you really say this is a homosexual experience? I wouldn't be surprised if you've been turned on by one in the past as some VERY beautiful "girls" walking down Soi Hoi are indeed "converted".

E

LOL. It was in jest, but trust me I'm not surpressing anything. I'll leave the fake titty chicks with dicks to others who appreciate cock.

Honestly now-- sure from afar, the mandarin post-op looks nice. Would I barifne her-- NOPE. Sure as far as men go, chacha is ok, but does he/she turn me on-- not in the least. I've had one run in with a post-op at a massage joint. I was outa there soon as I blew my nut in the tub (I cancelled the bed session). Mind you, not because I have anything againt post-ops or lady boys, but just a matter of what and who I get turned on by.

-DM

I'm starting to question my heterosexuality, because I'm REALLY attracted to LB #1. I could actually see myself getting a BBBJ or fucking this "girl's" tits. DFK if I was drunk or on drugs, possibly.

Fear not Mav, your attraction is not for a male, but toward very attractive female features.

I guess the test would be if he whipped out his cock and you got on your knees or if he bent over and you popped him in the ass. That would give pause to question one's heterosexuality.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. If you guys go for the Katoeys, that leaves more BGs for me.

I don't drink, will not select anyone with fake tits, will ask every girl if she is a girl but that's still not 100% foolproof.

This made me think of the asshole who was on the Rio boards last year saying that he can tell a trannie apart from women, at a distance even and in the dark, 100% of the time and if anyone else couldn't, they're secretly gay.

What bullshit. I'll agree that it is much easier to identify Brasilian or hispanic trannies than it is katoeys, but still, it's tough to figure out a lot of Brasilian ones at even short distances.

I would think it's very difficult for first timers to tell katoeys apart at all, at least not until the clothes come off. So, I would bet that the vast majority of guys, on this board or not, have at least started down the path of picking up a katoey and more than a few have fucked or gotten blown by one. Even vets are fooled sometime. I guess the recommended action is, once you find out (hopefully sometime before breakfast), politely excuse yourself if you're still in a bar or taxi. If you're already in the room, pay taxi fare and maybe a few bucks for the confusion (no, not Milkman's gender confusion either) and send s/he on its way.

I just noticed this thread about lady boys is, at least at this very moment, the most active on Club Hombre. I'm beginning to think we are becoming infested with sickies and perverts and I'm ashamed of all of you. Whatever happened to normal sex between consenting heterosexual couples? Or better yet, heterosexual monogamy ala Turk? We have gone downhill quick indeed.

Okay, I give up. Now that I'm here I guess I will have to participate. I once heard that if the nipples stand up straight and have some "meat" to them, this suggests the "girl" is a girl, and not a lady boy, katoey, or whatever you want to call them. This is the one remaining part of the body not subject to modification, or so I heard. As I write this, it doesn't sound quite right given all the advances in sex change techniques. But anyone know whether it is true or false?

The most active thread on CH right now is actually much worse. If you don't know what it is, be thankful.

D'art

Amen brother.

Laguy

I've seen genetic girls that have nipples as big as mine and I've seen katoeys dancing in the clubs with JUMBO, silver dollar nips. Since I've not talked to any of the docs adding/removing "firmware" from these ladies I'm just guessing it's a mix of hormones and genetics...

At least ONE nice thing about the katoey titties are you don't end up with "fried eggs".

Cat

It's one thing to be sitting at your computer and looking at multiple pics of LBs. It's another to be walking down a crowded street and see a beautiful "woman". Funny how it's a LOT easier to scrutinize looks of a lady when you're not face to face, eh?

There were a couple of post-ops on Soi 6 that were nothing short of GORGEOUS this last month. Short, small hands/feet/heads and knew how to wear makeup. Even BETTER looking SHORT katoeys in front of NEP a few times. The technology is getting better. I'm anticipating the next 10 years will yield some interesting developments on the plastic surgery front.

DM

"I guess the test would be if he whipped out his cock and you got on your knees or if he bent over and you popped him in the ass. That would give pause to question one's heterosexuality."

What if "he" didn't have a dick? Would that make you question your heterosexuality if you boffed an uberhottie with a pussy, only to find out later she's previously had a joint?

Also, does that make "her" the ultimate "innie"? haahahahh

E

If it looks like a chick, acts like a chick, smells like a chick, and has a pussy, I guess we can call it a chick in terms of your question.

In the experience that I mentioned (post op), she had me fooled from afar and was very attractice. No adam's apple, no large hands, no towering pile of hormones... What got me thinking at first was the breast enhancement and the muscle firmess and tone on the back and shoulders. I started scratching my head when she was blowing me, but never asked. I suspected as such though and finished her off by pounding my cock off her tonsils for the last 10 minutes. When I finally came, my cock was so far down her throat, there was nothing to spit...

However, my suspicions were in full bloom and I really am turned off by potentially screwing a genetic male, regardless if she/he has a pussy, so I gave her a small tip and excused myself. She was in dismay that I was leaving before my bed session, but I just said I had to get going and walked out quietly.


Just like my opinion about condoms, to each their own. As you saw, hanging out a ladyboy doesn't offend me in the least...

Re: preferences of members of this site, 2 pics of LB's are still among my top 5 rated photos. Those who actually read the report are in on the joke, but the OTHERS?

This whole thread is getting me excited
With Katoeys you are guaranteed anal sex
And you cant get them pregnant
And you can have load shooting contests

Nomchai

Glad to give you a thrill...

Post-op katoeys do not necessarily provide anal sex to their partners. They figure they've spent a LOT of money and suffered a LOT of pain to have a box made, the LEAST a guy could do is spend some time boffing the new hole.

I can only IMAGINE what would happen if a post-op katoey was capable of having children. That kid would be pretty fucked up in the head!!

If they're on hormone supplements (most katoeys are) then the pre-ops aren't gonna be squirting a darn thing. Such is the wonders of flooding the male body with female hormones. Sorry, I hope that doesn't disappoint you

E

Epi that is a ripp off
The whole reason to do a Katoey is to play with the spring roll. Post-op is like driving a Toyota that was made in the USA, whats the point ?

ladyboy quiz http://joeschwartz.net/shemale/index.html*
well Falang woman but you can test yourself to see if you can tell the differance.

Saw this link posted on Facebook.
http://9gag.com/gag/aG9onLn

I've been talking to my friend about visiting Thailand this year, but I could only ID a couple in these photos as ladyboys, and based on past experience, they they could be even harder to identify in person.

Maybe Dave the Rave can help ID the clubs that never allow ladyboys in.