Well….it seems that the bar owners in A.C are going thru a pretty rough time right now and have been for past few years. Being a bar owner may look glorious, but most of us know, it risky as hell, and most don't make it thru the first 2 years, anywhere..... In the Philippines, with all the cost of operating a bar , not to mention the under-the-table pay-offs required to keep the authorities that be at bay, it would seem some think some radical adjustments are called for ?

So……..a few innovative gentlemen are trying out a no Bar Fine policy ! Yep, Free Pussy ! that’s right…Well....not exactly free.

Cheetahs on Fields Ave has recently decided to let their ladies decide for themselves if they want to leave with a customer or not, and just how much they charge the customer is totally up to the girl. Obviously, if they try and burn a customer, the bar would stand in a eliminate that kind of lady real fast...according to the three guy's that own the place anyway.

This isn’t the first time this has been tried, but these guy’s have added a few innovative twist to the game, as opposed the Manila scene, which has been doing something similar to this for years now.

There’s no Bar Fine, but if the lady leaves with a customer (which is encouraged) the girl forfeits her daily salary. The bar makes money by charging a small penalty (250 Pesos) to the girl, in order for her to come back to work at the bar.

Ladies drinks are the same as elsewhere on the A.C. strip, and pretty much everything else is the same. The girls seem to like this arrangement, cuz they are making a little more than they did before the change, but only time will tell if this works out best for all ????????

There’s much more to exactly how this all works, but the truth is these guy’s are playin it by ear as they go, and intend to adjust as necessary to ensure it will work……

I like it ! First the first time in some time, it was just a little bit of a challenge to get the lady of my choice. I almost felt like I was asking her out for date, and it moved me more towards treating her like the little lady she was. It worked good for me anyway, and the cost was just about the same ol cheap price its always been. ?

I wish them luck, as the last thing anyone wants to see is the loss of Angeles City , right !

If this sparks some new life into the Place, then so be it, and more power to them ! ........ JBinPI

The problem is that this puts to much power into the hands of dishonest Filipinas. If they don't get paid what they ask for, they can just call the police or their trike driver BF to get someone to make you dissapear. The second thing is that it will create tiers of barfines. Sure, the ugly girl or fat girl that the expats know and love will still ask for the same amount as before or less but what about guys like me who are trophy hunters. Stunners are hard to come by in AC and the few that are there will be in big demand....especially from Asian clients. The Asian clients don't bargain and will pay the hotties 5,000 or more a night. Once the stunners find out this power, it will be impossible to barfine them as we all will be competing with overzealous Japanese and Korean clients who have no sense when it comes to paying market value.

So, in essence...this system will benefit the degenerate older mongers who have problems with runners but will not benefit those who want quantity and quality. This doesn't even take into consideration that it opens up a pandora's box as it relates to commission's to greedy mamasans and will create a vacuum for freelancers....and we know how lazy the Filipino locals are...me thinks they will drop their trikes and start pimpin' their gf's.

Now, saying there's no barfine is NOT exactly true...

The girl gives up her salary (roughly P150). I have also been told the girl will pay a "fee" for leaving work early (P250). Now, if this is true, the girl is in the hole P400 (150+250) to the bar for walking out the door with you. Sounds like the bar is just reducing their barshare from P500 to P400 and getting the girl to pay instead of the hobbyist.

Too bad, the girls just will NOT understand this system and it'll be back to the ol' drawing board... but NOT before most girls (and the gents too) are spooked away.

E

Becoming lower profile pimps to avoid scrutiny from big brother is not exactly customer friendly. But the truly good news about the stated policy is that as long as the girl works her normal shift then she's a true free agent and free to hook up via cellphone with no repercussions from the bar -- something that all bars pay lip service to, but the gross majority of which fine or fire girls caught consorting with foreigners who didn't pay the barfine. If THAT change catches on, AC would be 100X better. Somehow, however, I don't think mamasans around town are going to be too happy getting cut out of the loop.

The true test for Cheetahs will be if they can attract more/better looking girls and/or retain the ones they already have. I wish them luck, but it seems like they're doing this out of paranoia more than anything else.

Blazers, most stunners who barfine nightly are able to pick and choose their clients already, di ba?

And re: bar owners having a 'rough go of it', I always simply assumed that businesses that had 50+ employees and no customers existed for reasons other than the traditional profit and loss motivations. See Manhattan Club in Tijuana's Zona Norte.

Porker Re:Stunners....you're right that the girls kind of pick their customers if they are hot but even younger guys like us will get turned down because of money. I wont pay any Filipina 5,000 pisos for a night. Let's face it, guys like us are in the upper 5% of mongers because we are young, handsome and treat the girls right. Well, I used to be handsome...another story. I have never had a stunner turn me down or run on me but that would change quickly as they would rather get short-time Asian clientele that gives them a ton of money than being with someone they enjoy....money talks.

Blazers

I gotta agree with you there. I've been around girls in Blue Nile that have been "negotiating" with their potential victims. It's NOT pretty!! Some ask for INCREDIBLE fees on top of BF money for SHORTTIME ONLY!! BTW, the guys were our age, dressed nice and had some game. They are there for the almighty Piso...

My thinking is make it more like Thailand. I can deal with that easier then a "no barfine" barfine system. Others have complained that it's becoming a ST fee, not a LT fee. Fuck it. Put the tip in OUR hands and let the tips equalize out to something like you see in the Pattaya beerbars. I'd rather pay a barshare of P200-400 and then if the girl "converts" LT to ST I can pay her accordingly. Yeah, it'll cost a bit more, but it would put the money, and the power, back in the hobbyists hands. It would make so much of this bullshit go away.

BTW, you KNOW if the new system went into effect hobbyists like KM, you, Porker and I would be steering clear of Blue Nile!! Those girls will ask for BKK gogo numbers UP FRONT!! Girls start talking money to me lose my interest almost immediately. Only the Japanese and Koreans would go into a bar where the girls thought their twats were made of gold...

E

I prefer situations where there is a set, or semi set, price and everyone knows it going into the negociation. I still have really bad memories of the Nevada houses with their scams of asking for rediculous prices and also often charging for each individual movement or position. The attraction of AC is not only the super low cost but the fact that everyone knows there is an "outer shell" of time and cost that you can expect from virtually all of the women. This is the same situation in the Rio termas or the FKK clubs.

Blazers is correct in predicting that allowing each girl to get her own price would only destroy the entire system that currently benefits everyone. Look at the generally shitty level of service provided in TJ where everyone is out to maximize their own personal benefit. The same exists with the Nevada ranches who thrive on their consumer's ignorance and willingness to pay top dollar for a minimum return. I am also seeing local escorts who have ruined the market by continually upping their prices and finding morons who are either rich enough or stupid enough to pay. Greedy pros and clueless mongers will destroy any market if given the chance.

TF

The "outer shell" you speak of has fallen into disrepair. The all-inclusive LT barfine we're used to has been replaced by many girls that will convert your party into shorttime on her whim. There are many girls now that will assume shorttime and others that will outright lie to you in the bar and pull the presto-chango once in the room. When you prepay for your party, there is no Better Business Bureau for whorebars that you can complain to when you BF bails after 30-60 minutes.

In Thailand, the system works differently. There, you pay a barfine, but that is what the name implies - a fine paid to the bar only. You pay the girl separately, AFTER the party. If a girl decides she wants to leave early, I'm MORE then willing to let her go and pay her less as a result. Prices are "understood" by most that play here.

What I see happening here in AC is a barfine system where the girl AUTOMATICALLY gets her money for fucking you once or twenty times. This system REWARDS the girls that leave you after one round.

Now there are a couple of options here. One is expect, and so assume you are getting shorttime. The alternative is bargain with the girl for additional time and services.

This makes the base fee for ST in AC around $18 (P1000). Most girls will ask for an additional $9 (P500) for LT. After all is said and done, you're looking at the same prices you find in the beerbars in Pattaya.

Now, if the pussy costs about the same, this leaves you with a couple of options:

Go to a third world country where you dodge cherry girls, crooked trike drivers and stinky pussies for the chance to stay in bad hotels and walk down dirt streets. You are in a town with very little to do other then barhop, barfine and watch TV.

Go to a second world country and stay in a NICE hotel for $25-30/night. The streets are paved, the food is MUCH better, you are a LOT less likely to get mugged and there's 10x the girls working in the bars plus a MUCH better looking batch of freelancers. The malls are nice, the town is NOT subject to periodic blackouts throughout the day and there are more (and usually cheaper) flights into BKK. Women in Thailand UNDERSTAND how to clean their pussies. There is already a semi set price system already in place. Oh, the cable sucks at most of these nice hotels...

AC has started decaying at an even faster rate. Fewer and fewer people go there every year. It's not uncommon for you to be the only customer in a bar. Yeah, some of it is limited access. This place is NOT all that easy to get to. However, I've considered trimming it from my roster of places to go just because I cannot see spending $200-250 to travel from a country FILLED with FAR more willing women to the PI.

Yes, the women in the PI are very sweet, kind and horny. I can find that in Thailand with less bullshit.

E

Gentlemen, first off let me say that I would have to agree that most all that has been written from the guy's that have posted on this thread, has been thought out & very well composed, and in most every case, there are good valid points brought up……...No argument from me! …..however,

Ya sure sound NEGATIVE !

Don’t be too sure that things are going to go the way you presume. Failure of achieve success is obviously the most likely scenario here, as history has shown that most anything attempted out of the norm is doomed to fail.
But every now and then, something pops up that actually works. We’d never know if something is better, if someone didn’t try it, right.

Cheetahs is one bar, and I for one am with great curiosity watching this unfold with an open mind (at least I’m trying). But I know that even if this semi-new concept works, and the bar is successful, there will be those that will still find something not to like, and there will be those that love the place. If it fails, then no body is going to care much one way or the other. So what....it's already happening !

Whether we like it or not….there are going to be changes in the world, so why not just except that fact. See if we can make it work for us personally ……… and wish em luck for trying. It surely won’t be you or me that determines if it’s good or bad, or successful overall, or not ….but rather it will be the impact from all concerned, as a combined whole. Anyway, I find it hard to believe this 1 bars experiment will have much of an impact on the overall scene on the A.C. strip for some time to come ?

POINT: There’s no BF in Margarita Station with regards to the Freelancers that frequent the place. There’s no BF in Pick-up Bar (which I frequent often), with concern to the Freelancers that frequent that establishment, etc, etc, ……..yet the prices certainly fall in line with the rest of the bars on the strip, or many times even cheaper, due to one reason. “Competition.”

If Cheetah’s gets out of hand (as has been suggested), no one is going to go there, except for those wealthy Asians and they already have a high class group of nightclubs they hang out at. Why would they choose to move into Cheetah’s in any real force, when they already have far classier hang-out’s to play big shot in ?

One Last Note: Hell….it’s happening anyway, so why not give it a chance with a open mind !
Not one girl in that bar has yet to suggest to me they wanted more than the usual (though for sure, that’s inevitable), so maybe ya have too woooo your favorite girl a little more than usual. That’s all part of the “Hunt” creating just a bit of a challenge. I like the challenge, otherwise it’s just another meat market ! Remember, the meat always taste better when feeling the emotions i9nvolved with the thrill of the Hunt………. Ya didn’t forget how to hunt, did ya ?

JB

Except for the parts I mentioned specific to Cheetahs (girl loses day of pay and is "fined" for early work release), the majority of this thread (see my second comments) is about how the prepaid barfine system is falling apart in AC.

In Manila, the system found over in Thailand is used. Now, the bars in Manila are SMOKING CRACK when it comes to BF money (some wanting more then I pay for BF and tip COMBINED in Thailand), but that is the system they use. In AC, a "hybrid" system is currently being used. Granted you can still find girls that'll stay with you LT, but many have adopted this "bail after boomboom" mentality KNOWING that the mamasans and papasans are going to back them up. You fuck 'em, you don't get your money back.

Sure, Cheetahs is trying out a "new" system (collect from the girls, not the guys) and maybe it'll work out. However, I bet that EVERY girl walking outta that place with a man is asking for, and getting, P1000 for their effort because the girls aren't familiar with the "new" system, they are confused by it. No matter HOW many times you explain it to the girls, they just don't understand why they are paying the bar for the barfine?

If Cheetahs just went to a P400 EWR program, this would confuse the men AND women less. If ALL the bars went with a P400 EWR program this town would see a few months of FUCKED UP prices, followed by a balancing act that would eventually equalize out. The HOTTIES would ask what the market would bear, but the majority of the girls would eventually settle into a basic and fair pricing program.

I suppose the biggest problem with making changes to the barfine system is the women that work in this town and the guys that go there. The girls do not want this system to breakdown as they are assured of a basic fee for smacking uglies with a punter. The guys are so used to a system they have exploited for so many years that they are unwilling to see change enter their world because they've been paying the same BF fee for the last 100 years!! Realize, most of the guys I'm talking about are the same ones that complain when SM goes up P5 in their favorite bar.

This new system at Cheetahs may work, but I doubt it. They are taking their money from the girls instead of the guys. Most of the guys will just keep forking over P1000 because they don't know about the new system or just don't care about the changes and the possible P100-200 they could save from this. The girls will just keep wondering why the bar keeps asking them for more money. Just wait until the first beef about whether a girl does "her job" and whether the punter is "generous" enough...

E

To Epimetheus:
I agree with ur evaluation "across the board" (well 98% of it, anyway).

Seriously, ur right on target, but I understand the system and u understand it.
Agreed the girls might never quite get it, but most the guys will catch on fast....but that doesn't bother me at all.

Either way the odds of success are nil at best.....so........I think I’ll get more concerned later….. if & when this in fact becomes a real issue ?

But like you, I am curious to how things will work out with the inevitable runner or troublemaker, but I really don't believe that will be anymore common place as with the other clubs, for one reason;

According to Sully (one of the owners):
Quote: "We know this is new and be assured.. we will certainly intervene when necessary, to ensure our customers are not ripped off by one of our girls. That would only kill any chances of this concepts success." “Just because we won’t be involved with the actual BF anymore, we certainly won’t allow such treatment of our customers.” “We might be crazy, but we’re not that stupid.” !

Now, does that mean the bar will give a refund to a scorned punter ?…… or will they just fire the girl in question to avoid her doing it again ? (Bars just don’t dump a lady who brings in big money, so easily....but they will have to do something, wouldn't ya think?).
There is still much we don't know……….yet ? …….but we'll all know soon enough, agreed !

JB

It looks like you're on at least one of the AC boards. Good for you. Personally, I keep my profile there low as many of the guys making the most noise are the ones that spend 1 week a year actually IN town and so know the least. Hell, AC2 board is FILLED with people that just don't get it. They will jump ALL over a guy that does ANYTHING different then they are comfortable with. I even went to a private party and had one guy at the party tell me he's lived in AC for 3+ years and NEVER found a stinky pussy!! Either he has some way of finding the 25% that understand how feminine wash is used, or his nose does not work...

The bar gets their money from the girls. Regardless of whether the GUYS understand it, the girls are half of the equation and if they do not understand it, they will not feel comfortable using it. What the girl hears is: "you lose a days salary when you go with a man + they fine me to come back to work the next day." They don't hear that they'll actually be MAKING more money if the hobbyist gives the girl P1000. Some will figure it out, others will just stay in that bar and suck drinks all night.

HOW will the management discourage unsavory/cheating behavior in their employees? The current system "holds" the bargirls money in case there are problems between the BG and customer. The "new" system has the bar only holding her salary. BIG FUCKING DEAL!! I know MANY GROs that do not even work for salary now. They barfine when they feel like it and make a LOT of money with ladydrinks. Ladydrinks are a SCAM!! The girls make SO MUCH MONEY from a drink, many times they are making more then Thai girls working the gogos!! Why would a bargirl go out with a customer when she can make MORE with 10 LDs. Fucking joke.

This town is broken. It'll be interesting to see if Cheetahs helps or hurts.

E

Epimetheus,

Just got back from a visit to Fields and Cheetahs.
Very quite......as compared to the other bars, like BNile, Angels, etc, but not dead. So far, i can't tell of any real change at Cheetahs, but i was with a lady friend of mine, so couldn't really get into the scene.
If ur close by in A.C.......I'll let you in on a very private secret. Theres a girl there named Anna. She just started to work a Cheetahs and before worked at Blue Fox as the bartender for a yr or two. I'm tellin ya........this is one hot ( beautiful) lady. If ya want to get close to her, ya gotta treat her the lady she is, but she's worth it ! Gotta run now......but nothin to really report about Cheetahs. It's just too early in the game ! JB

I remember a hot bartender from Blue Fox a while back. May need to see for myself if she's still as cute as I remember. What time she go to work?

E

I'm soon making my cherry trip to AC. Tried to get in the chat room Wed but found no one. Can you help me with a few newby to the area questions?
Do most of you feel safe in AC going bareback with the ladies since they don't insist on a raincoat? If you buy them a couple of drinks then go to a "quieter" area in the bar are you tipping for a HJ BJ? Most of the going rates I've seen posted about AC(understanding the new pricing in starting) are 1000 peso BF and a 400-500 tip for the ladies when they leave, but most of the posts are old. Have prices changed much?
A couple of posts I've read indicate your gals don't like you taking home more than 1 lady for the evening they want to go solo with you, is that true? I'll have my dive partner join me later in my trip (she is female) will I have to worry about one of my BF's seeing us and saying something? When you negotiate with them can you ask them about a tailshot, and if you don't want to pay for a cherry will any of them go for a tail shot? A couple of reports say that Blow Row are the BEST BJ's around what's the price guys?

And Finally. Something I will repay you with for all the help. Do they have any trouble with you taking pictures of them? Not with a BJ or anything just nudes and will they want to charge me? I make my living with a camera and if I do say so, I've been doing it for over 35 years and I'm damn good so look for my return
post to have some nice pictures? Thanks ahead of time for all the help, talk when I return

Deepdiver

The barfine in AC is SUPPOSE to be longtime, but this is not always the case. The younger and hotter ones will ALWAYS bail on you after you bang 'em unless they are new to town and just don't KNOW any better.

As for the amount you pay - if the girl stays shorttime only, then send her away without a tip. Her tip is leaving early. If she sticks around LT, and you WANT her to stay LT, then the next day you can give a tip anywhere from P200-500.

As for going bareback - it's UP 2 U. Some girls will ask about it, some won't. Remember, if she doesn't ask YOU, then she's probably not asked the last 100 barfines either. Incidence of HIV is low in the PI, but that won't stop you from getting herpes or something that will give you a MAJOR drip/burn/chancre.

Boffing girls in the bar is rare, but doable. If discovered, the girls will get in trouble as a rule. If you want a quick testdrive BJ in the bar, stop by Blue Fox and you'll get one there.

You can find girls that will be cooperative, sometimes interractive. If you like a girl, ask her if she has a favorite friend that she likes to barfine with. She'll understand and if she's not into that scene can recommend others in her bar that are more "willing" to frolic with others...

It's rare, but sometimes girls will make a problem when they see you walking with someone else. This is usually limited to furious text messages and stink-eye, but sometimes they, or their friends, will say something. Rare, but it happens.

There's NO reason for you to bring a female dive partner to AC. The only water there is from the rusted pipes of your hotel. Unless you're mounting an expedition to the bottom of the Kokomos swimming pool, you're out of luck.

If a girl is cherry, many times she's cherry EVERYWHERE!! Every once in a blue moon you'll come across a cherrygirl that can give head (there are some on Santos too). Trust me, there are NO other "ports of entry" on a cherrygirl!!

You will also find there are fewer girls in the PI willing to do anal. This does not mean it can't be found, but if you want to case some crack you better head over to Thailand or Brazil.

If you like taking pics of the girls, most will let you do it no charge. I normally tell them, in the bar BEFORE I pay the barfine, that I like to take pics (nudes). Some will let you have nudes, some won't. You can always try and offer them a tip for taking the pics, but don't bother going over P100-200 for the honor. As long as you get that assurance from her IN THE BAR, they are 99.5% likely to go through with it in the room.

Santos St is an incredible place. You can find cuties for the shorttime fee of P500. It's one of the few places keeping that town honest. I oftentimes will take more ST Santos girls then regular gogo girls!!

What kind of camera are you using? If you paid more then about $400 (most guys making a living with pics for 35 years do have nice stuff) then keep it in your room. I have a cheapo camera that I use for barhopping and my DSLR for room pics.

Post back if you have more questions.

When is your trip?

E

Epimetheus, If your really interested....... I'll fill in all the blanks for you, but give me your email address.
I don't see how to sent a private msg on this Board, like on the AC board ? I guess I could try to find you there ?

My address is in my profile !

Jbinpi
Just click on inbox on top toolbar and scroll to Epimetheus-- you will be able to send him a private message.

Deepdiver,

Since Epimetheus helped out, I’ll try and give this a shot, without reading his post first.
I’m curious as to just how different we think ?

You asked:

Do most of you feel safe in AC going bareback with the ladies since they don't insist on a raincoat?
Response: Many don’t wear a wetsuit, but that’s all the more reason you should. There’s just too many skin divers in the lagoon !

If you buy them a couple of drinks then go to a "quieter" area in the bar are you tipping for a HJ BJ?
Response: You could probably walk out without tipping her, but ur sure not going to make that girl happy ! She's there for the money...not cuz she's in love with you...........

Most of the going rates I've seen posted about AC (understanding the new pricing in starting) are 1000 peso BF and a 400-500 tip for the ladies when they leave, but most of the posts are old. Have prices changed much?
Response: In general, it’s till P1,000. , but you wouldn’t tip her until after she’s done a good job of pleasing you. I tip according to how much the girl try’s to please me. Meaning, not every girl will turn out to be your cup of tea, but that’s no reason to short change the lady. IMO if she really tried to make you happy, that should earn a good tip, even if you don’t like how good she actually was (in your opinion). But she’s gotta make an effort. After confirming if a girl is willing to go with me, I will say to to her, “OK, but if I pay the BF will u promise me that you’ll will make an effort to please me….. Whatever…. I want” ? This doesn’t always work, but If the girl say’s yes, they will usually at least make an attempt at making me happy, even though she might not turn out to be such a good lover in the first place. But don’t just cheat a lady for no good reason ! It’s a small town, and news travels fast here ! You don’t need that kind of reputation, right ? The big trick here, is TALK to the girl first…Pre-qualify her. Than can be unbelievably honest, and in the bar, most don’t mind getting to the point, and none will get upset with you for asking.

A couple of posts I've read indicate your gals don't like you taking home more than 1 lady for the evening they want to go solo with you, is that true?
Response: The only way your going to find that out is ask the girl before paying her BF. A good idea to help better ensure your success at that kind of thing, is to talk to the mamas an, and ask her which girls does she have that like that kind of thing. Another idea that I have done in the past is find one girl who openly agrees to do a double, and agree to go bar-hoping in order to find the 2nd lady. I tell her, that she can choose, but I get to make the final approval on her choice. If the girl is interested at all, they seam to go for this scenario, with a smile on their face and it works pretty good for me, anyway…………. As far as will the Filipina’s go for your dive partner…….that probably depends on what she looks like, but I don’t think the idea of being with a white girl will hurt anything, that’s for sure ! In general, they all love white, period !

I’m old and too tired to continue anymore right now, but I think ya might have enough info with Epimetheus’s post. I think he’s well versed on things in A.C., even if we don’t concur on everything, most of what he writes I do agree with.
But remember, this is two guy’s totally different points of view….. Good luck to ya Deepdiver !

Khun_mor : Thanks, but I tried that and all's i get is a full page add that starts out:

Enjoy the full ClubHombre experience, upgrade today!

I assumed i can't PM anyone until I pay the fee or something. Is that the case ?

JB

If you have some interesting information, please send it to me. I can be reached at: epithai@gmail.com

E

thanks a ton guys, lots of good help. To answer some of your questions, Ill be in AC on and off from 24thSept until 14Oct. The cameras I wil have with me are Canon 10D and A couple of Nikonos. My dive partner isn't coming to dive in AC, I Picked the city, we will be goning to some of the southern Islands for diving, just keeping a room for the duration in AC due to the prices. (and my playing around a little before and after the job .

Jbinii did you want my email address? if so I can get it to you and would love any more info. Thanks guys, hope you enjoy the photos when I return

Deepdiver

Keep that 10D outta sight while you're in the PI!! It's one thing if you have it inside the hotel (and you have staff at your hotel you trust), but quite another to walk around that city with ANYTHING of value. This warning ALSO pertains to jewelry (watches and cellphones included).

Personally I travel with the Canon 300D + a few lenses. They stay IN my room from the moment I check in until the moment I'm leaving that town in a taxi back to MNL. Yes, you can use it in the room all you want, but taking it out on the town is less advisable.

I actually had a friend that spent two days walking around AC with his 10D and a 70-200mm L IS lens. Of course, the whole time he had a police officer with him (armed) along with an ex-boxer that could tear any 3 mortals apart with his bare hands!! He paid each a goodly sum and he was not molested by the masses. However, BOTH his escorts told him the same thing I did - DON'T LEAVE YOUR HOTEL AND WALK AROUND WITH THIS CAMERA WITHOUT ARMED ESCORT!! Just want to make sure you leave town with that same camera you bring to town...

Unfortunately I'll be in AC at the end of July and so will miss you. Please feel free to share any pics you have. That's what I do!!

E

Hey....I'm Sorry Deepdiver !

I must have been living in the Philippines for far to long, cuz when you said your dive partner (who was a women) would be joining you, I thought a dive partner was some kind of sexual innuendo meaning you and her wanted to dive in together on some unsuspecting Filipinas or something !

Man O' Man......I'm really getting to be a goofy sick minded SOB, don't ya think ! But I was real tired when I read your post, so that's my story and I'm stickin to it !

Sorry JB -- I guess the private inbox system is for Hombre plus status. I liked this site so much I upgraded about 5 minutes after I first logged on ,so I am unaware what is or is not a plus feature.

I just finished writing a long post for you guys about the camera and my SCUBA diving partner and when I went to post it I deleted the whole thing*&$%#*!! I'll get back to you later. Thanks for the input