Advice on medications. I am traveling to A.C. for the 1st time in October. My wingman told me that he read on various sites that it is a good idea to buy and take a Z-pack dose prior to arriving to A.C. because disease is rampant there.

Any thoughts and recommendations of a drug regimen that can help you not get sick while on vacation would be appreciated.

(Message edited by topfotog on September 22, 2008)

Lots of San Miguel! Don't stop drinking it the whole trip!

I have been there 6 diffrent times including a 4 month trip and have never been sick (except for hangovers). I take a multi-vitimin year round and keep taking it over there.

If you do get bit by the STD "monster", there is a clinic over by Normas money exchange that will give you a shot and some pills for $30 and it will be gone in a day.

NO NO NO!

Do not take an anti-biotic as a preventative measure! Absolutely dreadful advice of well meaning, but ignorant folk. Poor use of anti-biotics is a serious issue that helps create super-bugs.

Do not take them until you need them. A few reasons why, but one simplified one would be that if you do get a 'bug' and your body has a small amount of AB on board that would just kill off a little of it, the weaker part, and let the stronger ones, more resistant, reproduce. Like Darwinism. You need a whole fresh 1.5mg dose of Z to give you the best odds of knocking it out in one shot.

Safest bet is just be safe and save bareback for real relationships. If you get symptoms, you can get treated there very quick and it will just take you out of action for a day or so.

I speak from experience, I got the AC clap from being dumb and brought it home. Oh, yeah, and and I do the medical stuff at home... but that does not always keep me from being dumb though.

As always, consult your personal Doc, urologist, or local STD clinic for proper advice. They have heard it all.

Good luck

Taking antibiotics preventatively simply DOES NOT WORK. The antibiotics, if you take the right ones, will kill off bacterial STDs once you have them. Taking antibiotics before you have an infection will not prevent you from getting one.

If you want to take a Z pack along so you can start treatment if you get something, that's still a bit risky, since azithromycin does treat some STDs (such as chlamydia) but not others (such as gonorrhea).

Best ideas:
1) keep it covered
2) if not (1) then be prepared to see a doc for a proper diagnosis and treatment if you get that fun burning sensation.

Worst idea:
1) take antibiotics prophalactically.

I am getting a bit confused by all this. At one time, 500 mg of Cipro was prescribed for gonorrhea, and 1000 mg of azithromycin for chlamydia. However, in Asia Cipro apparently no longer works for much of the gonorrhea, so I heard 2000 mg of azithromycin, taken in one dose, is now a standard prescription. If correct that would take care of both chlamydia and gonorrhea.

Ignoring for the moment the issue of whether one should self-prescribe or go to a doctor, is the info above incorrect, and if it is how so?

I have read that 2 grams of Zithromax will cure gonorrhea. However, that amount in one dose can also wreak havoc on the stomach, if I recall correctly. Like bad diarrhea. So you trade one rhea for another.

http://www.drugs.com/cons/zithromax.html

I don't know if the 2 grams is enough to cure both gonorrhea and chlamydia if one should have both at the same time.

Here is a Google Knol on Gonorreha. He describes the 2 Grams of Zithromax as expensive and poorly tolerated. By poorly tolerated, I assume he means the diarrhea or possible other side effects. The author is a professor of medicine in Seattle.

http://knol.google.com/k/hunter-handsfield/gonorrhea/Pzjo3lpf/y8CBxQ#

My gonorrhea cure was 1.5 grams (mistyped earlier) after 500mg of Cipro failed. I think I had some loose stools, but anything was better after 5 days of painful drip.

I believe the consensus here is firmly against prophylactic anti-biotic usage.

>I believe the consensus here is firmly against prophylactic anti-biotic usage.

The old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind.

CDC now recommends 400 mg of Cefixime (Suprax) for gonorrhea.

Here's the link to their 2006 treatment guidelines:

http://www.cdc.gov/std/treatment/

You'll also notice a link to updated recommendations as of April 2007 regarding treatment of gonococcal infections (i.e., they don't recommend cipro, and now recommend cefixime):

http://www.cdc.gov/std/treatment/2006/updated-regimens.htm

Finally, the symptoms for chlamydia and gonorrhea are similar, and overlap. Most docs can't tell the difference without lab tests. Further, co-infections of the two are very common. So CDC recommends that unless you are able to rule one or the other out, you should treat for both.

That would be:

1 g azithromycin or 100 mg doxycycline 2/daily for 7 days
and
400 mg cefixime (Suprax)

Dr. Dik

I sure as hell can tell you the difference between chlamydia and gonorrhea without a lab test.

Some guys get cases that are sub-clinical. They have the infection but don't know it... Hard to believe when you've had a nasty case, but true.

Thanks for the quick responses, I will take them under advisement. I always cover for intercourse but with DFK, DATY and BBBJ . . . what are the odds of catching something nasty (especially in AC) I have travelled to Rio, Sao Paulo, Pattaya, Medellin and Santo Domingo ... all without serious incident but the rumours that my wingman is feeding me is that AC is especially 'dirty' in this respect. Is this currently the case?

Where is the best place to buy z-packs with the least amount of hassle? Where can I buy this cefixime (Suprax)?

(Message edited by topfotog on September 23, 2008)

Although I have never visited AC, everything I have heard is they have some really nasty STD strains going around there. One of the last places in the world I would want to bareback.

I have one question about the CDC's recommendation for use of cefixime for gonorrhea. The recommendation is for treatment of gonorrhea in the U.S. Granting the world is becoming more and more globalized, including to some extent wrt spread of diseases, is this a recommendation for strains caught in Asia as well? I believe in the past there have been some divergences between what the CDC recommends in the U.S. and what is needed in Asia; is this now a case where the recommendation takes into account what is happening in Asia?

Topfotog-

It's not so much the strains going around that makes AC a bit challenging. The problem is that a huge percentage of the girls will (and do) go BB frequently, making it far more likely they'll be infected by some bug or another. Add to that the fact that few of the AC girls have been taught the basics of hygiene. Not a good combination.

If you're in Rio (or anywhere in Brasil) you can walk into any drogaria and buy z-packs. I just buy a single 1 g pill of Azithromycina. Suprax is tougher to get, and you'll probably need a scrip. It's made in India, and I've seen references to availability of the generic version (cefixime), but not in the US or Latin America. No one in Brasil seemed to have it, and it only became available in the US in April (the old manufacturer stopped making it, and Lupin Pharma in India finally bought the rights).

Laguy-

The reason the recommendation is for cefixime is that travelers to Asia have brought back resistant strains of gonorrhea from there (Japan seems to be the hotbed for such strains), and those strains are now common enough here that treating with cipro no longer makes sense. So, cefixime is especially appropriate if you're doing your mongering in Asia. Docs are still prescribing cipro in Latin America, but cefixime will knock out pretty much any of the strains, so that's why CDC recommends it.

My understanding is that the Zythromax (1 gr 1 time PO dose) is to treat Chlamydia. This is a good choice when follow up or compliance may be an issue, a better choice is 100mg doxycycline twice per day for seven days.

Chlamydial and gonorrheal infections often go hand and hand and that is why they give you empiric treatment for both when there is enough clincal suspicion(often without confirmatory lab data).

The gonorrhea gets treated with a Ceftriaxone (or other cephalosporin) IM shot of 250 mg.

Oh...and ditto on Keeper's warning.

(Message edited by concarne on September 23, 2008)

Concarne-

Exactly. With Suprax now available, most people prefer a 400 mg pill to an injection.

Sometimes Cefixime is only available in liquid form and has to be kept refrigerated. The widespread introduction of a pill version will certainly make things more convenient.

And BD is right. The reason why Cefixime is now the drug of choice for the clap is directly due to the Asian strains making their way over here and spreading.

Topfotog,

Yes you can get nasty bacterial STD's from BBBJ and DATY, I unfortunately speak from experience in AC. One trip, I covered up for all intercourse but did BBBJ's. Sure enough four days after my return those my litle brother was crying those agonizing white tears and off I went for my pills and shot in the ass.

Also last year, I went to AC and I probably licked some bad gash and I gonnerhea in my throat (diagnosed by my doctor.) An aboslutely miserable experience, and if I had to choose I rather piss razor blades.

My experiences are anectdotal, but I would say that AC is abolutely the worst of the popular western sex tourist places for STD's. There is one creible academic objective public health study and they found over 35% of the tested bargirls in AC had either G or C. Even though that data is a bit old now, I suspect it is still true. So if you are doing lots of girls BB in AC, chances are if you take your antibiotic cocktail on the plane ride home you are probably treating an infection.

What is the incubation time for these little gifts from the girls, particularly the gonorrhea? And is Suprax/cefixime available in AC?

MongerX, that being said is it worth the risk to monger in AC? Does the problem with STDs extend to Manila and other PI destinations? If I only DFK, how's my chances staying STD free?

Bwana, should I take the recommended dosage . . . 1000 mg azithromycin and 400 mg cefixime upon arriving back in the US as a precaution?

Thank you all, once again for a lively discussion.

Can any veterans tell me where (specific pharmacy) to buy these necessary medicines while on the ground in AC? I will be staying at the Pacific Breeze. Also any recommendation on a reliable clinic in AC for all medical issues (not just STD related)?

(Message edited by topfotog on September 25, 2008)

(Message edited by topfotog on September 25, 2008)

Hunterman,

For gonorrhea the lag between infection and symptoms can be anywhere between 2-5 days. Chlamydia is slower, taking 1-3 weeks.

Can't help you with availability of Suprax in AC. I'm betting you won't find it. I was not impressed with what I saw there.

Topfotog,

I really advise against taking anything unless you're developing symptoms. Now, if you'll only do this once every three years, no biggie. But if you're going to be doing this 3-4 times a year. it's a very bad idea.

If you wait for symptom onset, you'll have a day or two of discomfort, but most people can live with that.

The dilemma is greatest for married guys, or guys with girlfriends back home. If you're infected but pre-symptomatic, you can infect your partner. I've talked with guys who start popping the antibiotics the day the trip ends, as they assume better safe than sorry. That works OK as far as it goes, but if they do this frequently, they can lower their own responsiveness to the antibiotics, and that's bad news. Further, they get a false sense of security, since this treatment rules out just a subset of STDs. They return to bonking their wives/girlfriends only to have her learn that she's been infected by him with HPV, which is not affected by antibiotics (and most men have asymptomatic infections, so they never know they have it!). When she gets her abnormal pap smear results, and then gets tested further, the shit hits the fan.

Bwana is right.

1/2 of what you have ever earned and 1/2 of what you will ever earn in the future.

Condoms cost about $1.00 apiece.

Errrr, you do the math.

Can you get Suprax in Thailand without a Rx? I'm going there first. I never got anything in AC, but apparently the odds have changed since I was there last; I'd like to be prepared.

Bwana Dik's makes excellent points, to re-emphasize: oral tx such as Cipro and Azythromycin one time dosage only deal with GC and Chlamydia...better and cheaper than one time dose Azythro would be a 10 day tx with doxycycline as it MAY cover othe pathogens. Shiphyllis still out there (and HIV) and hi dose penicillin IM would be the treatment.

Note that even if you have a classic GC presentation, GC and Chlamydia go hand in hand and treatment for both is advised.

Condoms for me. I slipped when in AC and was pissing razors for a day until I got my Cypro and Doxy.

Thanks again to all those that contributed to this conversation. I am still looking for a reliable pharmacy near the Pacific Breeze that sell the necessary antibiotics. (Zithro, Cefixime & Doxycycline) Any AC veterans know the location of one?

What would you consider the first signs of symptoms for gonorrhea and chlamydia? Milky discharge? What if you just have tingling while peeing?

When I got gonorrhea in Indonesia, I noticed a white drop of fluid oozing out of my penis when I went to pee first thing in the morning. I went to a hospital almost immediately (of course, it was 3 PM before I got to see the doc), and felt no pain other than the needle in the butt.

Don't know about chlamydia, I thought it was asymptomatic in men. At least, it was in me when one of my fuck-buddies I had seen a couple of months before called me and told me she had given it to me. I had no symptoms, but I took the pills.

HPV is usually asymptomatic, Chlamydia you'll know about.

I would say that every single one of us has HPV.

HPV symptoms: sudden, sharp pain on the top of the head from flying frying pan from galfriend.

"HPV symptoms: sudden, sharp pain on the top of the head from flying frying pan from galfriend."



True. The gf finds out when she gets an abnormal pap smear. Then your ass is grass. Good luck convincing her that she got it from a toilet seat!

Well, maybe Susie got it from her next partner, and didn't give it to me.

What are chlamydia's symptoms? Same as gonorrhea?

From CDC:

Chlamydia is known as a "silent" disease because about three quarters of infected women and about half of infected men have no symptoms. If symptoms do occur, they usually appear within 1 to 3 weeks after exposure.

In women, the bacteria initially infect the cervix and the urethra (urine canal). Women who have symptoms might have an abnormal vaginal discharge or a burning sensation when urinating. When the infection spreads from the cervix to the fallopian tubes (tubes that carry fertilized eggs from the ovaries to the uterus), some women still have no signs or symptoms; others have lower abdominal pain, low back pain, nausea, fever, pain during intercourse, or bleeding between menstrual periods. Chlamydial infection of the cervix can spread to the rectum.

Men with signs or symptoms might have a discharge from their penis or a burning sensation when urinating. Men might also have burning and itching around the opening of the penis. Pain and swelling in the testicles are uncommon.

Men or women who have receptive anal intercourse may acquire chlamydial infection in the rectum, which can cause rectal pain, discharge, or bleeding. Chlamydia can also be found in the throats of women and men having oral sex with an infected partner.

And here's the scoop on HPV symptoms:

Most people with HPV do not develop symptoms or health problems. But sometimes, certain types of HPV can cause genital warts in men and women. Other HPV types can cause cervical cancer and other less common cancers, such as cancers of the vulva, vagina, anus, and penis. The types of HPV that can cause genital warts are not the same as the types that can cause cancer.

HPV types are often referred to as “low-risk” (wart-causing) or “high-risk” (cancer-causing), based on whether they put a person at risk for cancer. In 90% of cases, the body’s immune system clears the HPV infection naturally within two years. This is true of both high-risk and low-risk types.

Genital warts usually appear as small bumps or groups of bumps, usually in the genital area. They can be raised or flat, single or multiple, small or large, and sometimes cauliflower shaped. They can appear on the vulva, in or around the vagina or anus, on the cervix, and on the penis, scrotum, groin, or thigh. Warts may appear within weeks or months after sexual contact with an infected person. Or, they may not appear at all. If left untreated, genital warts may go away, remain unchanged, or increase in size or number. They will not turn into cancer.

And back to the topic of this thread: condoms are very effective in preventing Chlamydia as long as they are worn throughout intercourse. If you rub your bare dick against her pussy and clit before taking the plunge, you've negated any protective value of the condom.

Evidence is less clear regarding the effectiveness of condoms in preventing HPV. They definitely reduce the risk, but not as completely as with some other STDs. As with herpes, any exposed skin that comes in contact with her skin or fluids can cause you to become infected.

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Topfotog pleaded: I am still looking for a reliable pharmacy near the Pacific Breeze that sell the necessary antibiotics

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Thanks, Smitopher, I needed that info too.

BTW, we missed you the other weekend at the Vietnamese bikini bar in Orange County. How's your new home?

Fu*ker... all of you...

Y'all sipping too sweet coffee from sillycone waitresses in underwear while I suffer in God's Country...

A POX on y'all...

Is there any data to support the idea that one might get an STD strictly from DFK? What are my odds?

How does AC compare to Manila and Pattaya, as far as catching an STD from P4P?

>>What would you consider the first signs of symptoms for gonorrhea and chlamydia

Chlamydia can be a bit sneaky, but I promise you'll know it soon enough if you get gonorrhea. Something about your dick feeling like it's on fire as you take a piss, that clues you in pretty quickly. (The good news is that subsides quickly with effective treatment.)

Normally, I hate rumor mongering, but I've read on other boards that Mansons has sold conterfeits before. Supposedly, this comes from the mouth of a well known doctor in AC. NO idea of whether that is actually true, so take it however you like. Those same sources say, however, that Mercury is very reliable.

In other words, as in all aspects in the PI, Caveat Emptor.

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Seque99 offered up: I've read on other boards that Mansons has sold conterfeits before.

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What about Herpes? There is a lot of talk about STDs here, but never about Herpes, oral or genital. Is that because it is rare or because it is inevitable you will get it?

That is the one that scares me because it can permanently devalue you as a potential long term partner in the U.S.

I'm going on my first trip ever soon and I hate condoms, but it is sounding like it would be foolish to not use them except for perhaps BBBJs. I also like DATY, but would love to hear more info on the risk of that from the experts.

Did you know that herpes is a "Risk Factor" for HIV/AIDS? (it's not just for devaluing your long term potential) If you want to minimize (that's NOT eliminate) your risk, it's "Safe Sex"... ALWAYS.

That means ALWAYS wear a condom, even for a BJ. DATY means using a dental dam.
DFK is OUT.

If you want to ELIMINATE your risks, just don't go.

Kinda takes your motivation away.

Now if you are looking for permission and assurances "every ding gonna b OK"... grow up... AND IF YOU GET AN STD ANYWAY (and you can even with "safe sex"), you will get NO sympathy around these parts.

We have PLENTY of RATIONALIZATIONS around here for going unwrapped. They are RATIONALIZATIONS. So, there you are. Be a grownup and do your homework, make an INFORMED decision and accept the consequences of your actions.

And one last thing, I find that "folks" who get all strident about STD's look at them as a Scarlet Letter, branding those unfortunate souls that have caught a STD and ALL prostitutes as "dirty", "immoral" and "unworthy". Fuck them fuckers. Look at yourself in the mirror and tell yourself:

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Self, you are going to a third world nation to have paid sex with prostitutes

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Herpes is a risk for everyone. While you're at it stop using drinking fountains, public restrooms, glasses in restaurants. The Herpes virus can live up to five hours on an inorganic surface and then attach to you by touch to your mouth or genitals.

Also stop kissing potential long term partners in the USA.

Each person has to draw their own lines as to risk and reward.

Long ago in college a part time girl fun mate came and told me that she had the clap. Not long after one of my best buddies told me that he had the clap. It turned out that I was negative. It was kind of obvious that my buddy had done my part time gf. Considering that I wasn't exclusive to her and that I had no real relationship with her, I was glad my buddy was getting a piece and I was glad that I was negative. This was before HIV, we hadn't heard of Herpes and no one was using rubbers at the time.

It seemed like in the 70s you didn't have to worry about a rubber much.

Now it's HIV, Herpes, and a host of problems. Some monger on this board said that mongering without a rubber is like sky diving. Each time you don't know if the chute will open. If it doesn't your screwed and if it does everything will be OK. You do the whole thing for a short term exhilaration that you have to ask was it worth it after you're done.

I don't tell anyone else what to do except for the famous quote from Porker on this board

"I think that everyone should always use a condom without exception, that way I don't have to".

Gurock1 is right. Oral herpes is endemic. I got it while in college in the early 70s, before I started munching pussy. Got it from kissing, most likely. Are you going to stop kissing?

Condoms help prevent herpes but are not foolproof. If any part of your dick or scrotum or nearby skin comes into infected fluids, you can become infected. So if a girl is riding you cowgirl and some fluid drips down onto your crotch, you can end up with herpes sores there (this is how a friend got herpes, despite 100% condom use).

As Smitopher says, if you are totally risk aversive, you'd best not fuck prostitutes. Do what you can to protect yourself, but know that it's not 100% effective against things like herpes and HPV. Condoms are really good (when used correctly and consistently) for preventing HIV, gonorrhea, chlamydia, and such, but not with HPV and herpes. They reduce the risk in those cases, but not nearly as much. Sorry.

BTW, herpes is far from rare.

Perhaps someone could educate me about the differences between oral and genital herpes (other than the obvious one). They show up on different blood tests indicating somehow they are not the same biologically. Also, I understand that well over a majority of adults test positive for oral herpes, but not nearly so many for genital herpes.

There are two different viruses Simplex I and Simplex II. Either can end up in either place bur one is more common on the mouth and one on the genitals. Don't be confused a girl with a Herpes sore on her mouth can infect your dick through a BJ and the condom is only somewhat protective. Also she can be spreading it when you can't see the sore. Herpes is an inherent risk of mongering.

BTW in the 70s there was a herpes epedemic from a nightclub in Chicago that was not washing glasses well.

Been traveling to AC for over 25 years, banged 100's of girls BB, caught gonoreha 1 time and chlmydia twice.

All 3 were back in the 80's when the US Military was there and likely brought in from sailors aboard ships coming from thailand or taiwan.

Ate more pussy then you can shake a stick at, DFK more girls than I can say, I've never had a outbreak of herpes as far as I can tell.

Just tested negative for aids back in december.

Procede at your own risk, but appears about as safe as can be reasonably expected considering the situation.

Herpes is asymptomatic in most people. It is entirely likely that many mongers and probably most bar girls who turn any kind of volume at all are infected and just never have an outbreak. Same thing goes with HPV.

IAS is exactly right. Far more people have STDs than realize it, and this is certainly true for guys whose hobby is banging whores. This is especially the case for herpes and hpv. Males are often asymptomatic for hpv but can nonetheless pass the disease along. I know numerous guys who were sure they were std-free until their wives/girlfriends came down with a nasty case of herpes or hpv or...

HPV will eventually run its course in most men, but that can take months or years. Once you've been infected with herpes, you have it for life. You may go years without outbreaks, but it can come back any time.

Just to add some info for those that have got genital herpes or some variant off.. can have outbreaks on buttocks etc...
The amino acid L-Lysine is great at preventing and minimizizng attacks.. if you get an attack superdose on this plus zinc / Vitamin C.
Olive leaf extract capsules as antiviral work well but use them more for agresive outbreaks
Watch foods rich in arginine as this tends to trigger outbreaks
Table below gives examples however to put it in perspective one decent night out on the grog can trigger outbreak much more aggresiveley than 100lbs of arginine rich food... hence include good source of lysine supplements when you are away mongering... one other advantge is lysine helps in calcium absorption and has been shown to delay outset of osteoporosis..

High in Lysine Dietary sources:

beef
brewer's yeast.
cheese
chicken
dairy products,
eggs
fish
meat
milk
potatoes
soybeans
yogurt

High in Arginine Dietary sources:

brown rice
caffeine
chocolate
coconut
nuts
nut products
oatmeal
raisins
seeds
whole wheat bread

You have references to double blind studies to prove all those claims of course.

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So, according to the first list which pretty much covers what is commonly called "food", if you eat enough "food", then you don't have to worry about herpes, or is that just ass herpes?

Just remember if you eat too many potatoes, it may help keep your herpes in check, but you will get diabetes and probably have to have a foot or two amputated.

It's a cruel world out there.

BBBJ--- chances of disease transmission are low and require a break in the skin of penis/mouth. If the female has oral gonococcal lesions or herpetic lesions, she will have too many symptoms to perform fellatio. Of course the risk of these is there but lower. DATY on the other hand is riskier as the vagina has a larger and obviously hidden area where lesions are deeper and hard to observe. Also breaks are commoner in skin here due to anatomy, presence of hair etc.
Look out for:
1. foul smell--chlamydia/bacterial vaginosis.
2. discharge --gonococcal/chlamydia.
3. eruptions red /fluid filled---herpes genitalis.
4. avoid if have a break in the mouth like an ulcer.

As far as eating too many potatoes -always talk to your physician before you follow anything here....

Really scary article
This has more than one for you to worry about!

http://www.zolaenterprises.com/stds.htm

Just want to correct or clarify CFK's note. If you get a bbbj from a girls (let's hope it's a girl) with an active case of oral herpes (she doesn't even have to have an open sore; she can be shedding the virus both before and after sores appear), you can get herpes even without any break in the skin of your penis. So telling her not to bite is no guarantee, CFK.

Ok, nipping and biting IS allowed, but only to the extent no skin or other vital organs are harmed during the particular sexual act before, during and after!

If you want to really find out the consensus medical opinion on this then let's do a test:

a. Everybody on this board takes a camera to their next doctors visit.

b. Everybody asks their doctor, "Does having oral sex mean I'm more likely to get an STD?"

c. Right at that moment, everybody snaps a picture of your doctor's face and posts it up on this board.

I'm certain that the results will more than demonstrate what the medical community thinks of the magnitude of this problem.

Well, fuck all that, its too complicated for me. With the "side effects", it's also a good way of reducing the sheeple population (or the "useless eaters" as elites of the world refer to regular people) without the sheeple realizing it.

I think of communication as key for good oral! ["Talk" about a double entendre!]

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But so long as I have a potato inserted in my ass, I am completely safe from herpes? right??

Only ass herpes. Go for it!

funny that most of the guys on this thread are known chronic barebackers. I have yet to hear of anyone getting any type of disease from getting a BBBJ. I will take the risks.

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Blazers chirped: most of the guys on this thread are known chronic barebackers

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Be a grownup and do your homework, make an INFORMED decision and accept the consequences of your actions.

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I_am_sancho,

The only safe tater is a 'Spec Tater'. I know there are a few 'Hezzie Taters', with good reason. Some of the posts appear to be from 'Aggie Taters'. Most are 'Comment Taters'. I'm not even going to mention the Couch Potatos!

Hey Blazers, I have no objection to anyone taking the risks of bareback anything, it's up to them. I also wish that everyone used the condom, so I wouldn't have to. Personally will never turn down BBBJ and vacillate as to other condom use, but I don't want to tell anyone else what they should do. In the end I don't have my buddies in the room watching when I go to the room with a girl and I don't watch them. So in the famous Thai girl expression

"It's up to you"