Phewwwwwwwww! Since January I have been on a roller coaster with a beautiful 22 year old Panamian girl who "used to" be a semi-pro. By the standards I have read in this site, I think that means she fucks for money but neither of you ever mention that at the end of the evening.

I have a small business in Panama that has connections to other central american areas, dealing with autos. Brings in a nice extra income. I have been going there on and off for 3 years, and I met this one in an Internet Cafe that also has a bookstore near via espana....you all probably know that one! Nice spot to meet beautiful Panamian girls due to its proximity to the Universidad down yonder on the corner.

Lets make a long story short. WHAT A DRAMA! We met and began screwing right away quite passionately. As a guy my dick and heart are very much connected, so I began to have feelings for her that raised above my groin. I began making up excuses to miss work, time and money, to get to Panama every few weeks just to be with her "in that special way." It slowly but surely however became quite odd.

.......wanted to meet her family but she never invited me over

......said she gave up the hooking semi pro stuff, and I suppose I am a sap for believing that; never quite sure who she is with when I am not there

......started asking me for money over the phone on a regular basis whenever I was in the States, and like a sap I sent it!

......the sex continued to be passionate as long as the cash kept flowing............then it hit me.......is there something more here besides money and sex? I must know!

I told her recently that I could no longer send her money when I was in the States, although I had no problemo going to the multicentral with her on a regular basis for "gifts." But I did tell her I would be very interested in paying for her schooling in anything she chose to better her life situation...........OH HOW THE TIDE CHANGED!

........all of a sudden I felt like I was transformed to a 10 year marriage. The sex went from an A++ to a rather boring C to C -. She said she had no problem with me no longer giving her money when I was in the States, even though I am her american "novio," but she suddenly wondered when I was going to give her a diamond ring and ask her to get married! YIKES! HOLY SHIT!

I have a buddy who lives in Panama and he says this is par for the course for a lot of young and gorgeous women who live there. Like many before me, maybe I was thinking I would be the "one" to transform her life..........what an ego trip for me! Since this time, I have caught her in at least 15 different lies, we have had a myriad of arguments, and I have caught her "taking" some of my personal belongings. During one such argument, I had a gift hidden for her that I had yet to give her. I walked out this time after I thought things were all settled (I own an appartment off Via Espana), and told her I would be back in an hour. When I returned she was gone, and so was the gift! She searched through all my stuff snooping around, found the gift, took the gift, and left deciding that she was still pissed off at me. She wanted to take the gift however (expensive jewlrey) since she told me later over the phone, "she figured it was for her." I was so pissed off by this I thought I was going to explode.

There is more freaky kind of stuff, but I will spare the details. What is important here is that I learned how to be careful in Panama for the future. I have met some gems in Panama; some young women who are bright and really on the ball, as well as stunningly beautiful. But even so, it has been my experience that many are manipulative and the traveler should beware. Out of about 25 I have met in the 3 years I have been traveling there, 2 I know actually tell the truth most of the time, and they have full time american novio's.

What is it about the Panamian culture and the fabricating and distorting of reality? At times, it seems you just can't find anyone who is not trying to bull shit you in some way. It can just be little stuff on a presistent basis, or on a grander scale, such as this airline pilot I am aware of who married an X-escort. Beautiful, of course, but when he is away 2 weeks of the month she is still banging other men for cash (old clients) behind his sorry ass back. This is no joke, and right in their own bed!

Needless to say, the last time my now X-Novia walked out on me I said to her as she was walking away that this would be the last time she would do that. She did it anyway, so I just said fuck it and went to Golden Time to celebrate my freedom. Then I went to Club Miami to celebrate some more! Had a great night all in all, but you know, felt kind of stupid and all.

I have been in the states for over a month now since my last trip, and she has been calling me non - stop with the apologies. My conversations to her are along the lines now of this should transform to a good friendship and that she should find someone more local to hang (manipulate) with. I realized I was totally in it for the great sex, and let me tell you, it was the best I have EVER HAD. But when that went south so did my will to continue with her.....................

Anyone have any similar experiences with Panamian women? Hope I have not offended anyone who has actually married a good and honest Panamian woman; I am sure they exist and like I said, have acutally me just a few myself who were already taken.

I still recommend Panama for a great place to sport fuck. I mean the place is just crawling with beauties. Beware if you start feeling more for one or two however. My hit is to put them through many tests before you give yourself up to them; they will hurt you if you are not careful. Much of the time, regardless of what you may insist on or think, it does not go much beyond the money/sex thing........................

You sound like you have become educated.

MM

Not sure the behavior is strictly limited to Panama. Read the reports on this board and you will see a remarkable pattern emerge by women from all over the world....!

Enjoy your new found fredom

One of my freakiest experiences in 'this thing of ours' occured with a Panamanian puta that I met in CR. She was really one of the few outstanding parts of that trip. I spent a few nites with her, we exchange email adresses and I returned home.
She started writing me (en espanol) several times a week, just shooting the shit and telling me how wonderful I am....which is of course totally true!
I waited for the money request and then planned to block her emails. Next I get a note telling me goodbye that she's going to hang herself. A week later I get a Valentine's ecard from her, and finally "the letter" telling me she's lost her passport, hates what she's doing and needs help getting back to Panama, and lo and behold I am the only person in the world that she can turn to. I pleasantly tell her no, and good luck.
A day later I received the angriest most venomous
letter (for the 1st time in English), telling me what a dirty motherfucker (true) I am, that she hates me, that I'm a dirty old man (true) and did I think that she fucked me for anything other than money (duh). After getting over the shock of it, and getting a great laugh, I forwarded it to friends.
My one Panamanian experience.

The question is, knowing what you know now, would you do the same thing all over again? Knowing how great the sex is, at least in the beginning anyway, how long will it take for me to do it again?.................

I am leaving for Panama next week...........

"Ya go back.....Jack.....do it again......wheels turnin round and round................."

Why do we do it? We look at a beautiful piece of tail; more exotic than anything we may experience in the States; better sex than we can expect to have with any white woman bitch in the States; we analyze the time we actually have left on this Earth to experience anything like this; and although we know they are totally fucked in the head we say, "sure, come on in......oh look at that, you're sucking my dick.....oh look at that, we're fucking for weeks like bunnies.......oh look at that, you want to go shopping......oh look at that, you're calling and asking me for cash via Western Union."

Will I do it again? Most likely yes, becasue I am essentially a horney dog. Hopefully I will cut to the chase a lot quicker next time and set some boundaries, if that is possible.

I am curious as to how these women actually view us gringos................are they actually attracted to us in any way, or is it mostly about the cash cow thing? Does it make any difference how we act, what we wear, how old we are, or even if we are the ugliest mother fucker this side of the galaxy?

Maybe I'll just spend my free time in the church on Via Espana and pray for guidance................."please God, help me find a Panamanian 20 year old Nympho that actually has the ability to cherish and adore me for the rest of my life! You know.....A Stepford Wife!"

Most Pans struggle everyday to get by, so their esteem for money IMHO is even greater than a typical greedy, stingy bastard American like myself. Let's face it, most of us who can afford to travel abroad to monger aren't missing any meals. Food for thought.

Panama was created by our US interests. We stole Panama from Colombia fair and square about a 100 years ago. Our relationship with Panama has been a domineering one and naturally any subordinate who thinks they are being used and abused by their superior will target any opportunity to get pay back. It is a cultural thing here. They call it...Gottcha gringo!

A good example was an experience I had at Capri Fenix Club. A spinner morena chica named Crystal, her photo was recently posted, quoted me $70 for 40 minutes. I told her I will pay $60 for 1 hour. She said no, got up and talked to her friend. Her friend came over and started haggling with me. I told her that I refuse to pay gringo pricing and I can visit other places with the same quality girls for a lower fee. Then I asked my rent-a-buddy cab driver to ask how much they would charge him? Since he was a local they would fuck him same amount of time for about $30. My cabbie buddy started defending my position...naturally. Next thing I know this chica agrees to fuck me for $61 for 1 hour.

What the hell? I agreed with what I deemed a fair dickering...an extra $1 over the top to do some more dickering is fine with me. We walked into the back area where management collects money. Next thing I hear is the manager arguing with this chica that I am a gringo and gringos must pay more. While they argued, my cabbie and I slipped out the door and headed to La Greta Azul where I fucked a morena spinner for $32 and $5 tip for 45 minutes. My cabbie talked to her before she quoted me a price...she didn't want to lose the trick...and she was very good.

Also, the beer at La Greta Azul is only $1 compared to $3 or $3.50 at Fenix. Yet, there was a limited selection of chicas at La Greta Azul.

Anyway...I felt I got the better deal and Capri Fenix Club saw me, a gringo, walk. I figure I scored one point for our side. Wish others would do the same to help teach the Pans that gringo pricing is actually bad for business.

AJ

I am Trying to find out about a Colombiana I met there in Panama, and the truth is I heard much of the same story, I am trying to know more about her and if any have heard of her or been with her. Her name is Paty or Patricia, and she was working in the Club Miami. Thanks for your help!

Stevep.... ,

Why does it sound to me thatyou are talking about Mexican women ? Maybe it is because that is the only kind I hang with. Maybe it is just WOMEN.

I rather imagine that a gringa of similar "quality" would do you the same, differing only in being more expensive.

Steve - Don't trust any of them until they prove themselves to you over time. Here is my cut & pasted recap of an experience one of my friends recently had with a Columbian woman. In reading your message, I thought this might be applicable in this message thread as well - Ultimately most of them manipulate.

My Columbian friend recently visited Barranquia (sp?) and met a girl with a young child, around 4 years old. They hung out for about 2 weeks and things went well. He helped her set-up an e-mail account on yahoo to stay in contact. He later returned to the US. After about a month and half, he started receiving e-mails from her telling him that her child is sick, needs medicine, bla bla. The old send me money trick.

He decided to try to logon to her yahoo account. To his amazement, she had not changed the password. Within her e-mail account there were two other e-mails from other guys living in the US responding to her similar requests for money for her sick child. Apparently they had already sent her money.

He is playing along telling her that he is broke right now, but will visit her soon to help. This way he can get another free fuck out of it.... No, he will not give her money.

I wonder how many "sick children" are being supported by sucker gringo's out there without the benefit of knowing so. Luckily my friend's girl apparently is not up there in the intelligence level otherwise she would have changed the password.

The moral, don't send money! Don't ever assume an exclusive relationship unless she lives under your nose!!

However, on the flip-side. I have an awesome South American girlfriend that has been wonderful to me. Honest, caring, loving, trusting, etc... I abused that love many times and manipulated her. Ultimately isn't that what most guys do on this board? How many of us have girlfriends, wifes, and we play our hobby. Is that much different then the manipulation by some of the women we encounter along the way??

Its all about the money and manipulation.

Lovingmarvin,

You are correct. Most of us dogs on this site are not better than some of the women we may complain about. Without going into my personal situation for obvious reasons, I will bet that over 80% of us here at clubhombre have wives, steady girlfriends in the States, maybe even kids and families.

I am reminded of that old adage, Women, can't live with em and you can't.....................
the fill in the blank part is infinite.

We like to fuck beautiful women; most of them know we are hitched in some way and need to get laid for whatever reason. We need to fuck; they need cash. Sounds like a perfect relationship to me, however dysfunctional.......the entire fucking planet is dysfunctional and ass backwards.

We could get into an entire discussion here on how men need multiple sex partners and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, no matter if married or not. Hey, the world just needs to understand this shit immediately right! Sex with the same person no matter how in love you may be; no matter how much you want to stay with the woman, it gets old after a while. Add several years of paying for kids and nagging and the need increases proportionally.

I have no problemo with my Panamian girl-friend, probably now X-girlfriend, wanting cash. She fucks well and treats me reasonably well when I am there, and that is all any guy can expect at first. I agree that the sending of cash is an entirely different story however. I have made a rule with her that while I am there my wallet is open to her; while I am back in the States call to say hello but otherwise leave me the fuck alone........go hit up the other guys you are fucking when I am not there. I know for a fact that a few of the guys on this site have fucked my girlfriend several times. I just hope it has not been more than me!

I suppose it is all about a reality check. You really should know what you are getting into when you meet one of these absolute beauties that would not even fart in your direction in the States. Perhaps if we are completely straight forward from the beginning at least there can be a level of honesty within the relationship that can boost the potential to something more in the future.

Sounds like you have a nice South American girl there. Looks like you found one of the rare ones, and I wish you luck!

Gentlemen, at least in Panama, these rules are for certain.

1. If a hottie likes you and she is not a hooker, she is most likely a semi-pro.

2. She will fuck you wildly in the beginning and "fall in love" with you quickly (love?).

3. She will contact you in some fashion when you return home and ask for CASH!

4. Say yes, and it goes on for a while longer. Say no, and it will change somehow.

This is all too tiresome for me; time for the monistary.

Cheers!