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That works for Sweet because rolling him over would take a crane (he he). Plus he sleeps with a glass of red wine upright on his chest, and if that spilled, he'd be reeeaaaally pissed.

SF - He once told me he always sleeps with a bottle of red wine under his pillow also along with a fresh white robe for the next days business at T65 & 4x4. - Hemp

I can't believe that you guys actually believe that he makes it to bed before he falls asleep.
CG

Sweet does sleepovers?

You guys are brutal...some friends! Sweet does all his sleeping in taxis and relax rooms, never in his apartment.

Several GDPs have told me about guys (a couple on this board) who feel asleep on them before even getting their zippers down. Reason #1 for not getting completely hammered!

i only drink white wine in the room and the best naps can be had in a taxi on the way to 4x4

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(Message edited by gr8ter on June 22, 2005)

The girl was killed because she told the cops on the boat that she was a prostitute and that all the other girls were prostitutes too. She didnt snitch on Kenny perse, she just didnt keep her mouth shut. Kenny's "girlfriend"is the one who beat her to death this past weekend.

Gee, what a pleasant group of folks to hang out with. Liars, pimps, and murderers. Sure wish I could hang with Kenny and his crowd.

Thumper do you have more details (and can you post them) e.g. was the girl killed a MP/Help regular? Even by Rio standards it seems surprising she would be beaten to death over this. It didn't take Holmesian powers of deduction or a grass to figure out the girls on the boat were prostitutes.

I'll take up for my traveling buddy....I've seen sweet sleep in an arm chair with a glass of white in his hand and never spill a drop!

Ardeneas, I am in Rio right now and the girl who was killed was a MP regular. I have pic of her that I will post when I return next week. Your right, it wouldnt take a genius to figure out the girls on the boat were hookers, however, unless they admit to participating in prostitution, the police had nothing to hold them for.

If she had kept her mouth shut, the police would have let all the girls go and not held them for hours on end. Then to add salt to the wound, the police called in the media to broadcast them all over the evening news.

All the guys beat the charges, I figured as much. To be honset, the commited no crime. No underage girls, drugs or sex took place. Police tried to quadriple the fine for not having their original paasports on them. Almost all the guys had a copy, but the police said that wasnt good enough. The judge said the fine for not having ID on you is only 180R, not 800R. Judge threw out the cases because the hadnt commited any crimes.

As far as Kenny goes, he hasnt commited any crime either. (Luckily, being stupid isnt a crime) They have moved him 3 seperate times in the past week. Probably, so nobody will know if they are beating him or not. I talked to his roomate yesterday and he doesnt know where he is, but he has 2 lawyesr trying ot get him out. Looks like he will beat the case but might have his visa revoked.

Maybe Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton will go down to get Kenny out of jail.

Jesse has worked miracles in the past. Remember those silly ass soldiers that were taken hostage in Kosovo. Jesse had them released to his custody without incident after Milosovic refused the U.S. government's request.

Me thinks Cat had tongue placed firmly in cheek when he made the above suggestion...

Nothing wrong with a little sarcasm

Turns out it was all bullshit. The girl was not killed after all, just got the shit kicked out of her. Talked to her buddy yesterday, she clued me in. I dont think she will be going to Meia Pataca anytime soon.

Thumper,

That story sounded really fishy. These girls may be dumb, but they aren't stupid. I guarantee each and every one knows what to say and not to say to a cop. Of course they were hookers, what the hell are a bunch of garotas who don't speak English doing on a boat with a bunch of foreigners who don't speak Portuguese? Fishing? Dolphin watching?

I would guess that the garota didn't even get a hand on her, because really, why would she?

It's good for everyone that the story was bullshit. I would have been a little worried about possible retribution by her friends - the girl goes with a bunch of American mongers and ends up dead. Stands to reason that a little payback might have been in order against Kenny or maybe just an unlucky random fuck one night.

Kenny is a complete idiot. He'll probably come out of this with minimal damage, but the guy may want to stay out of Brasil for a while even if his visa isn't revoked. The first arrest was a warning, the second a little stronger. I doubt he would be arrested a third time, he would just get the old "200 real cab ride West" as we would say.

Thumper, cheers for the update. Good to know that someone wasn't killed over a crappy boat cruise.

I guess I won't be getting as many pictures in Rio as I'd hoped. I have a big and tempting Digital SLR. I'm staying in a apt near the corner of Constante Ramos & NS Cocabana.

I was thinking of using a paper grocery bag to carry my camera from room to beach during day so as not to attract attention. I'm not worried of sneaky theft or snatching as I keep the camera firmly secured around my shoulders. I'm more worried about a brute mugging.

Also my room has no safe. Should I change it for another.

If you're going to bring garotas back to your apartment, you better figure out a way to lock up your valuables.

The Cariocas at Ipanema.com provide a great list of safety tips.

I just got back this morning. I was only in Rio for 5 days (4 nights) then on to SP for 5 days. The girls were beautiful, nice and....! I had a reasonably good time. On my first night there I had a knife pulled on me by 5 black kids ranging from 8 - 15 years old. It all started with the youngest walking into my path with his arm extended as if he was asking for money. When he refused to move I stopped. Then three older kids came at me. Two started to circle immediately. Simultaneously, the largest grabbed my shirt at the front collar and put a knife to my throat as I barely stopped it by grabbing his wrist and started to twist it away from his center. Just then a GDP came running at one of the two circling me screaming and swinging her purse at one of them She distracted those two so I kicked one in the face and grabbed the wrist with the knife and the other that was latched to my ripped shirt and dragged him into the traffic thereby eliminating the two trying to circle behind me. Once I had the kid (15 y.o. 150 lbs)with the knife isolated the child came out of him and he started begging me not to thow him into the speeding cars. They all turned and ran,as did I in the opposite direction into the median. She came running through the traffic and took me to the other side of the street where a taxi stopped, having witnessed the whole thing. The driver put on his blinkers and refused to give way to oncoming traffic. She went to one of the yellow umbrella tables and yelled at an older black guy who (I think) the banditos work for and told him to keep them away from GDPs with prospects. The cab took us away from the scene. After that it was really good.

Simpleguy,

You lucked out. As has been stated many times, the adults are less of a concern than the little runts running around. They are litterally little packs, aren't they? The issue is usually not the one that comes up to you with a knife but the one or two others with knives who hang back. Or, the one with the gun off to the side.

I hope you paid the garota well, she saved your wallet and maybe your life on this one.

Simpleguy I am glad you are ok. It would have been better if you threw him into traffic. These punks need to be taught a lesson. If he did that with some local tuff guy he would have been killed or taught a lesson and would have been walking around with just one arm.

When I had a 2nd Apartment in downtown Tijuana some tattooed wannabe tuff guy broke into some guys car and the owner came running out with a couple of friends and they beat him until he was out. The police came later and picked up the guy and just thre him in the back of the police truck and didnt ask any questions.

An American killed a teenager last year in front of Bobs. Kid tried to rob him and the American put him in a full nelson and broke his neck. He had to end up paying a huge bribe to the police and had to leave the country immediately.

Simplguy,

Where did the assault on you take place?

The assault took place about 3 blocks north of Help at 1:30 in the morning. I was walking between two groups approximately 150 meters in front and in back. They jumped out at me from behind a restaurant patio that encroached onto the sidewalk or under those trees with park benches. This was lucky for me because I was only 10 feet from the traffic when it all happened. The others may have gotten behind me otherwise.

Can't walk around there at night...it looks safe but it is not...remember, there are no consequences for these kids if they get caught.

I just got a call from my cousin, who is living in Belo now. On a trip to Rio, on the main highway from GIG into town, a couple of guys with Uzis darted up from under the elevated highway and stopped traffic. They robbed a few cars, several in front of his. As they were working their way down the line toward him, they suddenly stopped, and sped off in a carjacked vehicle.

This was at about 6:30 PM last Saturday. I doubt it even made the news.

I always wondered why the lead drivers in these situations just didn't pretend their cars were bowling balls and the thieves were the pins.

Warning!!! Avoid this garota at all costs. She and her friends drug clients. I was lucky and only lost some money but it could have been a lot worse. I don't remember her name but she is young (about 19 or 20) and is around Copa but says she is from Niteroi.

I hope to have a photo posted soon!

Photo: Drink Spiker

This is the picture above of the garota to avoid.

Kimosabi46,

Did she also happen to take the TV in the picture or did she leave it? Only kidding!

Thanks for the heads-up on her.

Jag

How do you know her friends drug clients? Give us the full story, please.

I'm surprised she didn't take your camera (with her picture on it). I too would like to hear the full story.

Thanks! Some other details would help. Mainly, where did you meet her? Is she a Help girl, a beach girl, a Meia Pataca girl, etc?

Someone should print a nice copy of this, take it to Help, and tell the management that this GP is drugging customers and scaring others away from Help (assuming she's a Help GP).

BTW, there is a "Garotas to Be Avoided: Thieves, etc." thread under "Rio de Janeiro." You might want to post this info there as well.

I noticed that Hombre had "protected" some of the pics in that section. I'm not sure why, but it seems that all of the pictures of thieves should be viewable by anyone. There aren't that many, and if some sorry MF wants to jerk off to a picture of a thief, such as the girl above, more power to him

no offense intended , but posts like this with incomplete imformation do little to help the rest of us .you don't post much pertinent info, so she could be a scorned girlfriend . give us the facts - who, when, how , why and where, etc. or don't bother posting. [sound like cat , don't i, he must be asleep at the wheel],jag help.

I agree. Without more information you're just blowin smoke. Particularly being that the girl doesn't look the type.

Hey man, I asked for the full story!

Kimo, usually the Boa Noite Cinderella types avoid photos at all costs, and when they steal shit they take anything and everything that isn't nailed down. Not to say that this girl didn't steal money, but if she and friends go to the trouble of slipping you a mickey, they are absolutely going to steal the camera, any small electronics really. That's a given. And I find it strange that she posed for some nudies and then robbed you.

If she was going to pluck an extra 50 or 100 from your wallet or pants pocket (which happens) there's no need to drug you to do so. Half the time the guy doesn't notice (reals are Monopoly money to a lot of guys) and if the guy does notice that he's a little short, most would think they blew it at a restaurant or at a store or something. Basically, whether we intend to or not, most of us throw money around down there and don't keep a true pao duro grip on every real coin and note we get.

The lack of details causes me to think maybe no drugging happened at all, and that poster Kimo just wants to create problems for this girl for some reason.

Ok guys you can all calm down. I usually don´t post that much here. It is a legit but very strange story. I too was schocked nothing else was taken. Me and a buddy met her at the country festa in the park near Balcony in Copacabana. I have never seen her before and she was with 2 other girls that my buddy had met before. We spent most of the night dancing at the festival until it started raining. The girls wanted to come back to my apartment but I did not want all 3 back there. I really only wanted to take the one garota back to apartment. When I asked how much, she said that ´she was no Puta´ and she had to leave at 6AM to go to work in Niteroi. She said she was a stylist or something.

We go back to my place and she keeps asking me if I have any beer there. Before she told me she didn´t drink, so I should have raised the red flag there. Once I get back to my place I relaxed (had a beer) with her for awhile and then that´s when she wanted me to take a picture. I guess that was when I really let my guard down. The next thing I know I woke up on TUESDAY FUCKING afternoon. I brought her back to my place about 11PM on SUNDAY night.

When I woke up, she was gone and I thought it was only Monday. I noticed there was about 100R gone so I was pissed but everything else seemed to be there. I could tell she went through some documents but that was about it. When I went to leave the apartment I found the fucking door locked. Now how in the fuck could that be since I had my keys? She must have taken my key and got one made. I called a Brazilian friend (girl) of mine and told her what happened and that´s when I found out it was Tuesday. I had her come over and we went to a locksmith and changed the lock on the door. I don´t know but my friend thought that maybe they were waiting for me to leave and then they were going to come back to get everything. Who the fuck know´s? Either way I was extremely lucky.

I know it´s a crazy story but it is true. I have spent over 9 months down here (off and on) and I have never had anything happen to me. I went to talk to Don and Ken about it and they persuaded me to post it on the site for everyone´s benefit. They even helped me with the posting. Be careful out there guys. Another incident happened to me last night about 6:30PM. It wasn´t much but 3 guys surrounded me right next to Alcazar (on the Bob´s side). I whipped out my Spitfire (thanks Jaguar) and they knew what it was right away and ran off. They were just little punk kids but who knows there might have been more lurking.

I still haven´t given up on Rio. I really love it here. But all you guys just watch it. I apologize for not being more clear on the original post.

Go USA in Copa de Mundo!!!!!!

K

Kimosabi46,

Glad to hear you had your Spitfire Pepper spray handy; it works great doesn't it? You have made me feel somewhat vindicated because, for once, my off-the-wall advice finally pays a dividend by helping someone out of a difficult situation.

This incident sure makes me feel a lot better than that other one about bringing toilet paper to Brazil. Oh yeah, as I always tell my kids, "Don't leave home without it." I’m referring to the Spitfire, not the Charmin!

Sounds like you stumbled across the trio that I sprayed back in January; they hang out around that area. Spraying them was more fun than using RAID on an ant colony!

Jag

Lucky for kimosabi she was a novice thief, much worse could have happened.

Maybe you did a Rip VanWinkle on your own - I've never heard of a 40-hour mickey - and when you didn't wake up Monday morning, she took the money for the program and left

I'm only half joking about that, unless she fed it to you twice. Seriously, she could have injected you with something. But then, if you were out cold, they could have cleaned the place out at their leisure.

Your first red flag should have been when you were at Praca Lido and she said she wasn't a puta. If you're hanging with gringos all day in Copa, you're a puta!

Make sure your credit cards and everything are good. Was all of that locked up? If you were drugged so bad that you can't remember anything for two days, who knows what really happened. Make sure they didn't clean you out on the bank and credit card front.

That is truly a strange story.

"Particularly being that the girl doesn't look the type."

Thats the kind of thinking that can get you hurt.The very nature of this whore game is reason to take caution with all no matter how innocent they look.

Kimo thanks for the warning and good to hear you made it out in one piece.BTW that is the Lido park(by Balcony) and that sounds like the Junina festival they have every year around this time.

I've seen that girl many times.Definitely a puta.Don't know why others doubted you. Not the first time something like this has happened.Never accept a drink from a girl you don't know, and never take your eyes off your drink when you are alone with her.If you leave the room, toss the drink and pour yourself a new one.The drug they use is a liquid, and is the color of beer.You are fortunate you did not overdose due to a reaction with other drugs that could have been in your system. No doubt the combination with alcohol contributed to putting you out for so long. The one drug potentiates the other, making the effect much more powerful. I once missed an entire day in Amsterdam, going to bed on Friday night, and waking up on Sunday, and that was just from smoking some powerful hashish.Personally, I think that girl should have her ass kicked.

Hey Jag,
Did you buy the Spitfire in Rio, or bring it from the USA? Do they let you on the plane with that stuff?

Kimo,
Be thankful you woke up with both kidneys, a 100R loss is nothing for that lesson you just learned. That's why I stay away from GDP independents, they are a crapshoot, if you are lucky you won't get robbed and the service will be decent. Atleast if you bring a Terma girl home and she does something shady you can find her the next day and fuck her up. I'm curious about the spitfire, when you whip it out do you scream something like "come on you mother fuckers" or do you just stand there quiet with your spray in hand?

Baldo,

I bought it in the US and packed it in my checked baggage without any problems. You can't take it on the plane in your carry-on, so don't even try it. As a matter of fact, I disassemble it completely before packing it.

It's a great little device that can really save your ass. All the little banditos in Copa look at my hands as I pass by to see if I have it ready. Since I don't want to disappoint the little bastards, I always have it loaded and ready to spray the little shits.

Jag

I was taking a look at Spitfire's home page and they emphasis that each unit is a child resistent design. Jag, did you have to have yours modified for easier use? I would think if a kid can't figure it out, you have zero chance

TRW - lol -

I'm totally against any kind of physical abuse, but your post was funny.

A termas must have some jujitsu master hiding in the back or some hard ass favela thug to prevent such incidents...

Check out this site:
http://www.personalarms.com/
I bought 3 units from them. One will take out 6-8 attackers simultaneously, doesn't require good aim, and can be used from a distance.Be advised the federales will shake you down for this. I had to jam it behind the seat of the taxi one night when pulled over.The fed saw me make a funny move and went right to the back seat and put his hand under there and searched thoroughly, but came up empty. Lucky for me, it had rolled all the way to the front of the seat, and this monkey's arms were too short.I had a hard time retrieving it myself, and I knew where it was. Of course during the whole shakedown attempt, the meter was running.The least the taxista could do is shut off the meter while you are being "robbed".

I spent a 4-5 hours on the beach one day last november and went to sleep that nite and didnt wake up till about 48 hrs later my girl said she tried shaking me to wake me up a million times and i didnt even acknowledge her besides some mumbling when I woke up I had horrible diahrea and vomiting , I think it was sun poisoning maybe you had the same thing.

BobbyT,

Went to that web site, but can't figure out which unit you are referring to. Please let us all know what one to buy. See, no run-on sentences.

Jag

Cat,

After weeks upon weeks of practice, I was finally able to work the damn thing properly. For a very short while, I was happy as a clam about my accomplishment till that unfortunate incident with my trusty Spitfire my daughter. Fucking wind!

Jag

Jag,

Where the hell is the latest chapter of your October trip report? Get back to work.

Copabrasil1 - One night in Luomo a Brazilian guy took a girl to a cabine and beat her up a bit. She told management, and security took the guy in the back, beat him unconscious, dumped cold water on him and beat him unconscious again. They take that shit pretty seriously.

Cat,

I wrote four pages yesterday. That's a good start, isn't it?

Later in the day, I deleted three fucking pages because I didn't like what nonsense I had written. Perhaps I need a vacation to refresh my mind--what do you think?

Jag

The Pepper Spray Fogger eliminates the need for accuracy and is effective on multiple attackers. Because of the full cone fogger, police strength pepper spray and CN Gas a smaller amount is required to incapacitate an attacker.

Mace Triple Action Fogger has a wide angel spray similar to a fire extinguisher, eliminating the need for pinpoint accuracy. This wide angel self defense spray provides extra heavy-duty protection.
http://www.personalarms.com/mace_brand_pepper_spray/self_defense_spray.htm
I bought one of each. The keychain one makes a nice gift for garotas.Comes with a leather pouch.They will blow you for it.
Also, Jag, you might want to pick up a couple of butterfly knives to replace your bloodstained ones.And, ironically, they are manufactured by "Jaguar"."JAGUAR manufactures the strongest sharpest knives available anywhere. Each butterfly knife is constructed of the most advanced materials available and then hand fitted. JAGUAR gives you the perfection of a custom butterfly knife with the accuracy and quality availed by 21st century computerization." Is this where you got your name?
http://www.personalarms.com/butterfly.htm
Your own personalised shank.

I want to get one of the umbrellas with a cutlass in the handle. If anyone knows where to buy one in Brasil, let me know. I've noticed that whenever I'm carrying an umbrella in Rio, the favela rats tend not to bother me. Don said this is because some Brasileros have a blades built into umbrellas, canes, etc.

They also don't want a guarda chuva shoved up their ass.

BobbyT,

I'm taking a break from writing to answer you.

Actually, I prefer the SOG knives that I already have. It's taken me months of practice to learn how to prevent self-inflicted injuries, so I'm not about to start over with another type of knife. Shit, I almost died from a "thousand cuts" from the damn SOG, so why should I tempt fate? Thank God for that Curad spray-on band-aid; it was a real lifesaver.

No, I didn't get my name from the knive; I got it from combining the atributes of the automobile and the animal. Simply put, I'm as dependible as a old XK Jag with a Lucas electrical system and as quick, intelligent, ruthless and stealthy as the fucking cat. That's the whole story.

Jag

Hi Jag

I carry a modified Spyderco Hawk, I wonder if its OK to bring one into the States, I read some where that they are illegal in the US. Jag you should stay away from Spydercos if you almost died from a "thousand cuts" from the SOG, a Hawk will turn you into shushi. Now get back to your report.

Isawal,

Another fucking break and another fucking question. Where can I find the Spydercos Hawk? Just interested in looking at other possible alternatives.

Why would I be interested in the Hawk? Well, during my Carnival trip in February, I had a little equipment problem with my reliable SOG while confronting four banditos. I won't take any responsibility for this problem because that's my nature, but someone really fucked up and it almost cost me my life.

The whole story will come out next year in the third report I'm behind writing, which is currently untitled. All I will say, is it had something to do with the beach.

Now, back to my writing.

Jag

Isawal,

Looked at Spyderco's site, but couldn't find the Hawk anywhere on the site. My son says I should try the "Ladybug" model. Told him to "shut up."

Jag

Hi Jag

The Spyder-Hawk was a limited production run, I just spoke to the gent who designed it, An ex Rhodesian he says that in the USA it is designated “for law enforcement use only” but in SA its an over the counter item. It is sized between the Merlin and the Civilian with a less tapered point, which is stronger and less inclined to brake. The modification I had made to it was to open up the patented SpyderCo loop. This change makes the knife a fast draw.
I collect Weapons including knifes, (swords and guns) and for me this is one of the best carry knifes around.

TRW-

Thanks for the info. I have always wondered about that...especially given the fact that most termas garotas I know complain about how rough Brazillian guys can be...

isawal,

Maybe I better stick with my trusty old SOG in it's current configuration. Whenever I try to modify anything containing more than two parts, I always have one part left over and can't figure out where it belongs.

Jag

PS--Yeah, I'll get right back to writing.

J

All this talk about violence, knives, pepper sprays and beating people unconscious is scaring me. I bet all of you are Republicans.

Sort of...but I resent the Republican party's intent on mixing church and state.

I'm a white South African which is kind of like being a redneck on steroids. But I am in local terms a liberal, I only have 40 guns.

Jag

Don't you find that SOG knives have a rust problem especial near the sea?

isawal,

I will neither confirm nor deny your accusation. If I do, it will fuck-up one part of my untitled Carnival trip report due out sometime in 2008.

Contrary to what many of you think; as you can plainly see, I plan way ahead.

Back to fucking writing!

Jag

I guess if your white and live in Africa you need 40 guns but I still wouldn't feel safe. One day the South Africans will pay dearly for their use of Apartheid and will have no one to blame but themselves.

Therightway

Apartheid was way more complicated then most foreigners who have never been to Africa could ever know. There was a lot to forgive on both sides of the political divide, but South Africans likes to think of ourselves as the Rainbow nation, strength through diversity. Thankfully most South Africans are into building the nation rather then revenge, sorry to disappoint you. BTW not all whites supported apartheid the first time that we where given the opportunity to vote on ending it over 80% of whites voted for majority rule, do you think that 80% of white Americans would vote for a black president?
It’s obvious that you have strong opinions about South Africa so why don’t you come and check it out, first drink on me. BTW the mongering isn’t bad here either.

Isawal,
I thought you were glorifying the use of Apartheid by referring to yourself as a "redneck on steroids". Let me answer your question, do you think that 80% of white Americans would vote for a black president? The answer is yes, without a doubt no question in my mind. I will even disregard the fact that the Republican party has been begging Condoleeza Rice(a black woman) to be their candidate in 2008. Do you think that most Americans would vote for John Kerry or Al Gore over Colin Powell? Thanks for the invitation to South Africa you sound like a gentleman but I'm still afraid to travel to places like Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama and Texas because of their racist history, so I'm definitely not going to be part of your strength through diversity program. One question, how many blacks do you think are on the board of directors at Debeers?

Isawal,

I hope your fear of visiting the aforementioned states is not based on inaccurate accounts from motion pictures.

I can't speak for Isawal but my fear is based on facts, here is an example of southern hospitality from the great state of Texas.

In 1998, white men in Jasper County, Texas, kidnapped a black man named James Byrd Jr. They beat him unconscious, cut his throat, and coated his face in black paint. They dropped his pants down to his ankles and tied him to the back of their pick-up truck. Then they drove two and a half miles, dragging his body over the rural Texas pavement of Huff Creek until it began to fall apart. The road was littered with body parts — head, skin, and right arm. The rest of his torso was the first thing to be found.

That was 8 years ago, like I said I think I'll pass on visiting states like Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama and Texas!

Therightway -

One question If you don't mind, Are you Black? I ask because this is 2006 shit has changed a bit in the Dirty South .. its political & corporate now!
Plus racist are in all 50 states and not going anywhere. Seems as your a Brazil Cat, you got a better chance of getting killed over in RIO then in Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama and Texas!

Isawal is in no way a redneck, He's a stand up dude although he does seem to look like he is on steroids .. LOL

I plan to visit him in South Africa next year so I will see 4 myself.

Let someone try that Jasper County crap in ATL they will be calling in more then the reserves 4 sure!!

Nastyworld

I am going to hold you to your promise, I will expect you early next year, I will even fix up the spare room. Did I mention there are half a dozen good mongering spots with in a five minute drive of where I live?

BTW its not steroids its strictly jack daniels and Thai green curry

The Rightway
I hope your right about 80% of Americans voting for a black president. I would never glorify Apartheid. My brother left SA because of it and for more reasons then You will ever know I would never justify anything done in the name of "Separate Development" the stupidity, waste and unnessary heartache it caused...I really don't have the words.

Mello89

I have traveled the Southern States a little and I love New Orleans and have been fortunate enough to visit JazzFest four of the last six years, and I will be back there in August getting my Gumbo fix. I think its the Rightway who has trouble with States south of the Maison Dixie line.

Therightway -- C'mon Grape Ape! You could pass for white--as long as you don't take your pants down... Personally, I thought you were Italian. But I'm just a stupid white boy. What do I know? ;)

Opie,
Only two things come from North Carolina, steers and queers. Nah seriously, obviously I can pass for white but who wants to pass for white? I grew up In New York City probably the most culturally diversed city in the world. That being said, my neighbors had a petition to keep us off "their" block and I got called nigger every day since I was 3 to age 14. Somehow they knew I was Black even though I may look like I'm Italian, go figure. Then as I grew and became Grape Ape I handed out some long awaited ass kickings, one family had to move beacuse the beatings were so bad and continuous, and their son was 3 years older then me. My point to Isawal was that even though South Africans may have voted to end Apartheid, the hurt and pain is still there and will always be there. I have seen one of childhood foes on more then 1 occasion and I would stare at him so hard praying that he would say anything to me so I could give myself an excuse to beat him until he's unconscious but he would always keep his head down and walk away, could you imagine how black South Africans must feel? They were tortured, members of their families murdered or imprisoned. Although I have never met Isawal I have no doubt he is a genuine person and he has portrayed himself as a man with great integrity and class.

Nasty World
Yes I am black, and I don't mind you asking, we are just having a good discussion. Maybe you're right, their probably is a greater chance of me being killed in Rio then in the southern states but the reason wouldn't be my race. I don't remember any instances of Brazilians hanging anybody because they were black or murdering anybody because they dated a white woman or any cross burnings on favela lawns do you? You say the south has changed, Robert Byrd is a Senator from West Virginia and former Klansman. David Duke elected to the Louisiana State Legislature and is a Grand Wizard of the KKK. Senator Trent Lott of Mississippi helped lead a successful battle to prevent his college fraternity from admitting blacks to any of its chapters and ofcourse Strohm Thurmon. I don't see that much of a change in the "dirty south".

Let me end by saying I know it's alot better then it used to be and this Country to me is the greatest in the World and I love it with all of it's faults, it's guys like Gibletpie and Jaguar that have restored my faith in people in general and that is crazy in itself.

P.S. I hate the way some of the brothers act in Rio more then anybody because it gives a bad impression of who we are and how most of us were raised.

(Message edited by therightway on June 25, 2006)

Hi Rightway
thanks for the kind remarks, and I am truly sorry for what you went through. South Africa is very different to the States, that is not to say that we don't have race related problems, we do. Remember Apartheid ended over 16 years ago and we have learnt that we need each other, if we forget that we are doomed to fall into the same abys as so many other States in Africa. You should remember that the white South Africans see them selvess not as some kind of outsider but as very much part of this country. I think a guy like you could really do with a trip to SA it might help restore your faith in humanity, and our ability to forgive. But hopefully never to forget. I think that South Africa is a very different place to the one you imagine.

BTW just an after thought, but we also get really cheap Cuban cigars, a bottle of Jack Daniels sells for less then US$20.00, the wine here puts the best of Nappa to shame, the best steak you have ever tasted will cost you less then US$10.00, the sun sets over Table Mountain will take your breath away and did I mention the girls?

Rightway, think about that.

Thanks so much for the kind words, TRW. That means a lot to me. And even I will agree that that IS crazy ;)

It reminds me of something. I was dating a girl here, a non-pro. And she asked me if it was true that there were a lot of racists in the States. And I told her, yeah, there were some people who were racists, and there were a lot of people who would tell you they WERE NOT racists, but, if they saw a black man and a white woman, or a white man and a black woman, walking down the street together, would sort of try not to stare and they would whisper afterward behind their hands. And maybe some of them would say, "Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with that," but the fact that they have to talk about it in the first place is still fucked up.

And she said, "Yes, but here in Rio, no one cares. Here it's always a party." And she's right. I mean, I know things aren't racially perfect here, but I feel like they're a LOT better than in the States. I didn't think of this girl as BLACK, honestly. She was just a sweet person to me. Someone I cared about and loved spending time with. There are sooo many shades of color down here, and it's all just BEAUTY, you know?

Black AMERICANS do sometimes get stereotyped down here among the girls, and unfortunately, it's because of the actions of a small minority. Like TRW says, some people just seem to forget their manners down here. You have to treat people with the same respect you would want them to give you. And sometimes people of all races forget that.

I don't want any of this to come across as insensitive. Just try to leave that divisive attitude at home when you come to Rio, have a good time, and make sure everyone around you does, too.

And on a lighter note, my girl used to call me her "Branquinho." She asked me how you'd say that in English, so I told her.

"Whitey."

LOL. So, she called me, "my whitey." With love. Which I thought was beautiful.

Peace.

Isawal,
Cuban cigars, steaks and women? Sounds more like El Dorado not Capetown, lol. I'll visit on 2 conditions, you never leave me alone anywhere for any reason for more then 5 seconds and Jag and Gibletpie must go also.

Cunningham,
You're one of the very few people in this world who can call me Grape Ape and I find it hilarious. Just make sure I'm there when you bring your black girlfriend/new wife home to North Carolina, now that's entertainment. Although the prospect of a black child with freckles and red hair is priceless, what would you name him? Odell instead of Opie or Kanye instead of Ken? LOL.

The rightway

Done, I have been trying to convince Jag to visit South Africa for a wile. With his taste in girls he would be in pig heaven in South Africa. LOL

Isawal LOL,
The funny thing is every girl Jag sees becomes obsessed with him, he must be doing something right or wrong. He has been with some stunners lately, I just wish we could send a field operative to snap a photo of the elusive LSG.
TRW

"Now I'm rollin' down Rodeo with a shotgun/These people ain't seen a red-haired man since their grandparents bought one..."

Personally, I thought we'd name him "Rerun" after Fred Berry's character on What's Happening!!!

Hay, hay, hay!!!

Ken

TRW
I have been the bush with lions and rhinos, I have done survival training in the Negev, but although I will be in Rio in August, the thought LSG really scares me.

BTW According to Jag it is his pink polo shirts that gets him the hotties.

Therightway

"I can pass for white"
I totally understand sometimes its harder for someone mixed or lighter skin in the south(Other times easier) They don't always know were to place you!
I too am from Brooklyn,New York and although well traveled way before I started mongering, many fellow hobbiest have also restored my faith.

I know due to first impression unfortunately I might be stereotyped as one of the above mentioned brothas in Rio, we will see how that turns out next year.

Its all Love, so If you ever do go to South Africa, Philippines or Thailand PM or Email me!

Peace

If Help does indeed close, I'm thinking that, as a whole (or hole), Copacabana (and Ipanema) might become more dangerous. There won't be a ground zero for gringo targets anymore. Banditos will have to spread out and work day hours even. If they have any sense, they might target the immediate areas around the termas (besides the obivous banking and shopping areas).

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(Message edited by maracana on February 16, 2008)

It will get a lot better after we shoot all those damn little street kids! I think one afternoon Cat and I should just bring an ice chest of beer, plenty of buckshot, and have a firld day!

CFK:

You are too harsh. Wouldn't it be more humane to simply pepper spray them on sight? Sort of a "Spray first, ask questions later," policy.

CFK, sounds good, just pick a 105 degree afternoon and go hang out in the sun on the sidewalk on the beach side of Atlantica, and I'll swing by in a cab to pick you up.

Cat,

somehow I get the feeling you might be late....

[Dejuvue]

Laguy,

more humane perhaps, but not nearly as fun. Remember in History of the World when Mel Brooks was King and for target practice they used the peasants!

Well, I would love to just yell "Pull" all afternoon and drink beer while doing it!

Pull*******Pull*************Pull*******Pull

CFK

That is just too quick. First of all, one guy needs to hold them while another guy slings dogshit on their shoes. No shoes? Even better.

I heard someone suggest that you toss a little bit of change on the sidewalk when you are accosted, the idea being that they will scatter to scoop up the money.

How bout this instead? Toss a pocket full of washers and/or slugs out into the Avenida Atlantica traffic and watch them scatter to pick up the money.

Just kidding. We all know that they are great kids just having a little good clean fun with the tourists.

I suspect that even the street urchins have become too mercenary to scatter for a handful of change.

Color-copy some 50 real notes--obscure the details so counterfeiting isn't an issue--scatter a wad of THEM.

Hunterman,

I like the way you think! [I'm gonna be keeping an eye on you]

CFK

hunterman.....you are a true genius!and keep it in a money clip.they will grab it and run.or , make some kind of device that will burn their hands in a purse or beach bag. when they go through the loot...they get contact with something that will tear their flesh of their hands.too bad they dont have truant officers there.

Well, if you want to carry a wad of bills--perhaps the devices banks use, that explode and spray red ink on the money and the robber could be modified to spray formic acid (what fire ants produce, burns the shit out of human flesh in concentrated form), hydrofluoric acid (even worse) or 1,2-dimercaptoethane (Danger: STENCH, the bottle said, makes skunks smell sweet).

No, I did not work for the Germans. Yes, I was a chemist in a previous incarnation, with unlimited potential for evil, but preferred recreational activities.

What would be nice is to take down some cheap cell phones, with the added kicker of a bit of homemade explosives in them. Be casual with it and when it's stolen, call it from your real cell phone and detonate it. Not a large explosion, just enough to maybe blow off a hand or a finger or two. Or if they're hiding the phone in their shorts, maybe take out a nice chunk of their leg or ass, or if really lucky blow their nuts off.

we should start a secret ''death wish '' club. the charles bronson's of rio

It's not exactly a secret that pretty much anyone who's been to Rio would, at a minimum, like some bodily harm to come to at least a few of the street kids. Touts too.

I made the mistake a few nights ago of pulling out the pepper spray and not using it. The bandito recognised it backed up and started throwing rocks.

At least he was afraid of you, that's a good start at least.

hey cat, have you ever been mugged in rio? i have been there 4 times and never a problem. am i due?

No, but a squad of favela rats temporarily ripped off my phone one night. I got it back about 10 minutes later, after sending Roberto and one of the guards for the mafia lottery to get it back. Still, almost everyone I know has either been mugged, held up, pick pocketed, nearly shived with an ice pick, etc.

anybody have news on whats going on with help? i heard the owners were going to give a press statement.

Yesterday I talked to one of the waiters at TA and they have been told to prepare for a possible closing in two months. Have lawyers fighting it.

Two months by Brasilian timekeeping means two years. I guess all the Help lovers can rest easy on getting a farewell Help run in. Take your time, don't rush to Rio.

That's indeed comforting to know.

Where can you buy a BOPE flag like the one Nascimento drapped over Neto's coffin in Tropa de Elite? I can't imagine anyone wearing a BOPE t-shirt on the streets of Rio, but do they sell them?

pretty sure you get BOPE T Shirts on camelodromo or in Saara (all around Uruguiana metro station)

I have seen some fashion fotos of girls wearing it, but they'd better not wear it near a favela

This needs to be posted under "Crime Prevention"

Beware of the Puta's that like to go on shopping sprees.....some gringo's just don't know how or when to say "NO"......Or they think they will get more from the Puta by buying everything.....I won't mention this poor suckers name, I could not believe the number of shopping bags he paid for......not just 1 bra, but a bakers dozen, of every color, blouses, etc..........now this was not just any mall.....it was Fashion Mall.....

I think we need to take a collection for this poor sap.......at least he did not buy her an apartment........yet...... Addendum: Notice the Gray/Silver Hair.....

In keeping with CH need for non sexual photos, I placed a blue box to cover the crotch......

Photos: Shopping Spree 01 Shopping Spree 02

Any questions?????

$ $$ $$ $$$ $$ $$$ $$$$ $$ $ $$$$$$ $$$ $$$$$
morse code for : lots of money

(Message edited by copperfieldkid on June 19, 2008)

What I'm surprised by is that this poor sap made the puta's mother sit in the background where you can hardly see her on that last photo. Rather than hiding her, you'd think he would be proud of his mother/daughter exploits.

I like the labeling.

Never ceases to amaze me how much time is spent on these forums worrying about how another man spends his money.

I worry about the guys who are addicted to Rio and are now deep in debt. My observations are that they have not had a normal relationship with a woman in years.

However, some guys, possibly the guy in the photos, have more money than they could ever spend. So if he enjoys doing a little shopping, what is it to anyone else?

That shirt on the guy looks familiar? I wonder who it could be? - Any idea CFK? - Hemp

Very interesting too that the shirt on the guy seems to be a matched pair with that on the puta's mother in the back. Now how kinky is that??

priceless and funny as hell...cfk..if you could only get to his brasil transfers for retaliation...

Excetalent - You are right, nobody should worry about how another man spends his money, but we should all share our experiences and hopefully help each other avoid mistakes. For some guys, a trip to Rio can be a life changing experience (it certainly was for me - one year later I was divorced and now I live there re-married to a Brazilian :-).

I sometimes want to smack some of these guys that spend a ton of money on the GDP's, send them money, etc....just to try to wake them up! There should be a big warning sign in every hotel and inside the 'Help' bathroom, right next to the warning sign about the taxi's.

But it goes both ways at times...in my case, I was head over heels with a girl on my first trip but I just could not stop being a dog. I was always very cheap and did not like to spend money on her. When I sent her to the store to buy groceries, I asked for the receipt and every penny in change! But along the way I seen guys throw some massive amount of change to the girls.

So, this is indeed crime prevention - hopefully stop some guys from being completely taken advantage of and losing their shirts of their back when blinded by "love" - which typically is just lust anyway.

So in addition to shopping sprees, guys should be warned against all the lines from the girls "my mother is sick, my baby is sick, I have X problem, bla, bla".... no matter how much money is thrown their way - it is never enough! Give a girl R$100 and it will not go to pay their bills....give her R$1000, it still will not. Most likely she will, however, have some nice new pairs of shoes and clothes.

I think getting robbed on the street is a lot cheaper (unless of course you get shot along the way) !!!!

"I think getting robbed on the street is a lot cheaper"


No doubt. My one robbery in 2 decades of coming to Rio cost me about $350. I imagine the "unnamed gringo" in the photo (he DOES look familiar!) spent more during this single shopping trip than I lost. And I'm betting it was not the only shopping spree he's financed. His name and photo (sem face and crotch coverings) are widely distributed on GarotaNet.

Let's see, in all the years I've been coming to Rio and elsewhere in Brasil I've taken exactly one GP shopping, and spent about $4.50 to buy her a replacement thong for the one I accidently tore in half while removing (she had a little, tiny waist and an enormous bunda).


"cfk..if you could only get to his brasil transfers for retaliation..."

Ain't that the truth! The occasional shopping spree is probably less than the monthly allowances some unnamed guys have paid.

Hey CFK I know you have a keen eye, can you estimate how many shopping bags are there? I know it would be just a guess on your part since you were probably in the US or Peru when this happened? - Thanks Hemp

Hey guys: did you forget how good you felt when you did something nice for someone? I am sure the dude had as much fun as the girl being shopped for. Momma was happy. If the guy has the bread why not butter up the bimbo?

Hmnnnnn, so what happened? Did someone get to him? I have obtained private journal information from that week that wasn't[excerpts]:

Mother/Daughter exploits ARE fun and exciting; matching shirts are down right KINKY and distastful.

Shopping can be fun and enjoyable, but expensive so bring your AMEX card, because it screws the merchant out of 6%

Lacoste has sold a million of those shirts, could be ANYONE wearing it, but I like the style/color.

Retaliation can be a good thing, especially if it involves pain, the more the better, in fact so much PETA gets involved.

No more shopping sprees! It wasn't love, just the week before Christmas.

This obviously is a symptom of how fragmented Gringos spending habits can be, first a chicklet , then an appliance or two, next the malls, you're hooked. The 12 step program is the only solution.

Ten fucking bags of presents, so much for an even dozen. She certainly could have been a contestant on Let's Make a Deal!

Note: word has it the sex for the following week was outstanding.......and Al Jolsen wouldn't have passed on that!

(Message edited by copperfieldkid on June 20, 2008)

(Message edited by copperfieldkid on June 20, 2008)

Al Jolsen? This has to be the first reference to Al Jolsen on CH. CFK, if you're old enough to be familiar with Al Jolsen, then I have to believe Cat is right about the color of your hair.

And as to the question of whether the shopping spree improved the quality of the sex, the scientists here will ask "what's his counterfactual?" He can't know whether she would have fucked him equally well, or even better, had he not bought her half the mall.

Dbonar-

Yes, I'm sure he enjoyed the shopping, although not as much as she did, and probably a bit less so when the AmEx bill arrived. There are hundreds of posts here on the downsides of "buttering up bimbos," as you so eloquently put it.

Diversity,

Looking at the pictures more closely, I notice the strategically placed blue boxes are rather small. Are you implying something?

Giving a garota a ton of cash to go to an overpriced mall is bad. Wasting the whole vacation day with her in a mall while she spends your ton of cash is fucking pathetic. CFK, here's a hint - give them the money if you must, but take advantage of the time she's out shopping to go mongering. Dumbass.

Cat,

But he enjoys being taken advantage of (hence the repeated pattern). He wants, no, make that "needs," to witness the damage with his own eyes. Besides, a trip to Rio isn't about mongering, it's about making putas happier, and feeling better about yourself by doing so. Isn't it?

Well his girls may not be "estilo gatinha de shopping" when he meets them, but they certainly are when he is done with them.
CG

Oh, and grey is not blonde, I know.

That blue box apparently is only to cover the head, nothing else, hell that's obviously for Gary Coleman.

Nothing like a trip to the mall,lots of good exercise[walking, more walking, oh, yea MORE walking], it's like entering the Belmont. What about crowds, big crowds; they MUST be giving something away.....

Since I do NOT want to cross the threshold of pride, I simply believe that it has been erroneously assumed that this is CFK, remember, I am innocent until either found guilty or bankrupt, whichever occurres first.

I can see why the Garota likes the guy in the pics tho, nice BLOND hair, dresses nice with designer brand clothes, and is height and weight proportionate.

Oh, regarding Al Jolsen, anyone with other than basic cable will have access to TCM channel and be privy to those old flicks also. If I were that old I would of had Mae West's ass.............and that would definitly provide bragging rights!

If it were up to me all Garotas would be required to sign a binding No-Shop/No-Purchases agreement.

Remember Gentlemen, the ONLY time women are useful is when their legs are in the air.

Yes, all might have access to TCM, but few are old enough to actually want to watch it.

And that guy in the picture? Loiro falso! He's as much a real blonde as the majority of 4X4 garotas.

Let's see, if my memory is correct, the guy in the photo met this garota in Barbarela one night and had a program. Most definitely, he overpaid. The next day, he volunteered to take her shopping, and spent US DOLLARS $3,500 - ABOUT R$8,000 BACK THEN He was too tired after shopping all day to have a second program with her. After the day of shopping, he never saw her again.

I leave it up to the shrinks on the board to analyze that, but all I have to say is he should have spent some of that money to have his hair dyed.

WHO IS THAT GUY? Even with my baby face and all of my boyish charm, I have never had a garota buy me more than one bag full of clothes. And that guy had one buy him TEN bags full? He must be really smooth. Even moreso since he has to offset that headful of dreadfully gray hair.

(Message edited by blissman on June 20, 2008)

Cat,
oh contrar, private journal information from that week [excerpts]:
looking at the AMEX receipts there were a lot of vendors paying 6% but NOT $3500 worth. Half the mall was pissed at the other half!

Apparently there were more programs and cause for celebration, including one on a Friday night with her AND her sister; that family thing is an underlying element but a good one! The family discount applied in this case.

Keep in mind another important element, some guys on the board actually buy airline tickets to fly from A to B, and back to A [in the same day sometimes] JUST to earn FF miles/points; unbelievable, sitting on a plane for hours going back & forth just to build up FF miles/points, when it's easier to sit in a mall, buy stuff, make the Garota happy, never leave the ground AND EARN miles/points! [Usually resulting in great sex too] So, the manner in which one earns miles/points is what's really at question here, some methods are different than others, hence YMMV.

Remember, it was Christmas, one of the more historic weeks of the year, and Santa was everywhere, specials in every window, wide-eyed Garotas with wish lists as long as Barry Bonds deposition.

NO purchases of any kind have been executed since then for any Garotas, probably due in part to direct deposit, Allen Greenspan and the always welcomed comments from the excellent Members of this board.

I would be willing to bet a Happy Meal and a shake it won't be the last time a member of this board does something of this nature.

(Message edited by copperfieldkid on June 20, 2008)

There are others among us who don't pay anything for airfare. Who needs points if someone else pays your freight? So there's no need to go one spending sprees with putas to get miles via the credit card. Some spend the savings on pussy rather than presents. Imagine that!

Glad to hear the grief you get here is paying dividends.

I tell you, napalming CFK's nuts is time consuming and not a fun job - ok, it is - but I swear, the treatments just don't seem to be effective. Poor Latinalover is have post-traumatic stress from the multiple roommate exposures to him, Diversity has been so emotionally scared he's now cheating on the garotas he's cheating on his wife with, Ken's cutting back on smoking and termas visits and Don has taken up jogging. All of this and more occurred after exposure to CFK.

Jag thinks he's the Grim Reaper in that everyone he comes into contact seems to die an untimely and weird death. I wonder if these people also came into contact with CFK immediately prior to their deaths?

Cat,

please provide me with your picture so I can photoshop you into oblivion!

Thanking you in advance-CFK

(Message edited by copperfieldkid on June 22, 2008)

Cat,
" napalming CFK's nuts is time consuming and not a fun job - ok, it is"

I think skinning a Muppet would provide more satisfaction. Just because I look 2 years younger than I am is not reason to get upset, now Hemp should consider investing in mothballs!

CFK, your crimes against mongering as a whole are heinous and obscene. Personally I would ban you from the whole hobby, but we seem to have a liberal membership policy so you get to stay. But, between buying apartments and monster shopping trips for women you don't really know to daily stupid stuff like forcing termas garotas to let you buy them ripoff drinks, lets just say that if a PLM Hall of Fame is ever built, not only will you be in it, you'll be the fucking greeter in a Wal-Mart outfit out front.

Thanks for clearing that up Spanky! I was afraid for a minute I would have to pull up my pants and leave.

I agree tho that pre-negotiation is the only way. As you personally can attest, there has only been 1 can of Pringles carelessly purchased since, so all this grief has produced the desired results.

Behaviour modification is a bitch.......can I have another M & M please?

My 2 cents- I've never gone on a shopping spree in the USA with any of my ex-girlfriends. EVER!! Why would I go on one with hired help. The psychology behind this is that he is a lonely and fall in love easy guy or that he is a "I will save you guy". Both are not good to be in Rio. The GFE can be had for almost nothing. Small trinkets will do if you want to go the present route. I bring 5 dollar boxes of chocolates and give them to the garotas if the session was good. You can actually barter IPODS(50us) for sessions but thats another thread. Translate some love poem off of the internet and write it down if you think you are in love. At least when you get laughed at it wont cost you a dime. If you need to go shopping to keep the GFE going just cut her and find a garota who will be a GFE for the negotiated price. The real bottom line is that every guy has a different wallet. If you have so much money and no one to spend it on it is easy to see this happening. Not many guys are in this situation. But if you are spending money that you go not have to fill the void in your heart your in a car on fire going over a cliff because the ride will end with a bang and your money will be up in smoke. Your 401k will be a zerok really quick. Good luck to you no face guy.

The man who has gringo written all over his face should be banned in Brazil and relegated to mongering only in Las Cucardas (in Lima). Probably as a result of his previous mis-steps there, they search everyone at the entry way and you have to leave virtually all your possessions with security at the door. You then are allowed to have sex with a girl in a cubicle and then you are entitled to leave.

There is no opportunity to smuggle in presents for the girls, or apartments.

(Message edited by LAguy on June 22, 2008)

This is weird. I am pretty sure I saw that same guy in Peru last month. He had the same shirt on, same "blond" hair, this guy was in line (alone) at a mother/daughter dinner. So here is the weird thing, he had the blue box on his crotch. Sounds like this guy gets around.

Hey Diversity,

Can I include the photo of the gringo, the puta and her booty (the loot, not her ass) in my next edition of the Rio Guide? It would be a useful graphical illustration of "how not to do Rio" for newbies.

BD

Laguy,
oh, so now the whole damn Brasilian economy depends on this "guy"......talk about pressure

Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner!!

Azguy,
an astute observer to say the least. [Blond]
How's this for Splanglish:
Cuanto para los dos?

Rumor has it again next month!

"Rumor has it again next month!"

Where? Brazil or Peru? I need to plan accordingly.

BTW, It's "Spanglish." Despite your silver mane, you write like a blonde.

CFK, "los dos" is masculine, are you sure it wasn't a father/son tranny combo? If you stuck to blowjobs and assfucking, that could be a sign

BD,
it will be Peru, you are welcome to join in, but you can't bring Cat. Remember, with a Mother and a Daughter you always have an option, "next" !!!
[They might mistake Cat for a mini Michelin Man]

"So here is the weird thing, he had the blue box on his crotch"

Must be his blue balls showing through......due to the weight of the bags.......

"Looking at the pictures more closely, I notice the strategically placed blue boxes are rather small. Are you implying something?"

I almost used an period or asterisk, but I wanted to keep within the guidelines of hombre.....

and the hair is GRAY........

mother/daughter?????

well to me it looks more like grandmother and daughter

Iggy,

there you go, screwing up a perfectly good thread.
The word Grandmother should be banned on Hombre.

Well CFK another check mark I guess.......Grandmother......LOL she probably spent to much time in the sun... now looks like a prune...go get em....cfk...

At the top of this thread is the following:

"By SF_Hombre on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 07:27 am: Edit

That works for Sweet because rolling him over would take a crane (he he). Plus he sleeps with a glass of red wine upright on his chest, and if that spilled, he'd be reeeaaaally pissed."

I miss Sweet, just is not the same.......without him.....RIP WE need to go to his grave and pour a bottle down the vent for old time sake...

cfk
im sorry,it was just a try to remember yhe one of the few math lessons i had.i guess i should be great grandmother.if one assume the first kid at fourteen.
but what do i know
iggy

Iggy,
actually your math is right on using the numbers stated, which would put the GM [I just can't bring myself to say/write it]in the late 40's, certainly doable. I will have to punish Diversity next time I see him tho.......he knows better.

To all: This is why people go into the Witness Protection Program.

CFK-Go to a Bells Outlet store and buy a bunch of clothes off their clearance racks (usually $1-$2 each). Take them with you in your suitcase, show them to the girls (still have tags on but prices removed) and barter for programs. I did this once and got 2 programs from a girl for less than $12.00 (she took clothes instead of money). Now, talk about a way to stretch the ever declining dollar against the Real!!

Sandman,
that is a very good idea. However, as you may or may not know I have promised the board's Serial Antagonist that I will make no purchases or
indelicacies of any kind and I have kept my word. From now on it's strictly "business".
But I confess, "they did it", I was home all day, it was purely political, and mishaps will occur from time to time.

CFK
Your suggestion will be followed if future needs should warrant such actions!

(Message edited by copperfieldkid on June 25, 2008)

Diversity,
c'mon, give the guy a break, enlarge the censorship application. I could be wrong, but look at that lump in his sock!

The Policia Militar have been coming into Termas lately passing around this picture. Something about importing chocolates that were not for his own personal consumption.

Anybody know this guy?

I'm not sure about this, but isn't he the guy who is also wanted for inappropriate ketchup concealment?

Thank Copa for the information - Yes I know this guy. This chocolate thing don't surprise me at all from this guy. Anything for a free program I guess? - Hemp

I heard he was dousing the termas girls' bucetas in A1 Steak Sauce before going down on them.

He's the guy that NEVER buys them Pringles, that's for sure!

I heard that he was trying to import illegal breakfast machines.

What happened to his glasses?

Admin: this has to be some kind of violation to post a photo of a member. Where are the black boxes when you need them?

Cat, aren't you going to protest?

Do you guys realize you are similar to a mouse that is playing with a very PLAYFULL, SADISTIC CAT!

Any UPDATES? Are there any updates or sightings on the cat they were looking for? I just love this International intrigue. The guy does look pretty shady if you ask me. - Hemp

Good point, is it too late to retract my earlier post?

What kind of cat is he? Maybe he's like the Jackal? Holy shit and to think I may have had an encounter with this international James Bond type. He doesn't look like the spy type but then again they never do. Probably a natural born killer in Family Guy clothing.

This type of cat is a Garota stalker, spending time and taking refuse in termas for both pleasure and relaxation. Must be approached with extreme caution tho as easily excited.

Do NOT offer Pringles, will only provoke and annoy!

It said, only the stealth Jaguar can control this beast, actually had him roaming free thru out the house. For the rest of us its,
"don't feed the Cat"
The question is when will the monster reveal himself?

I remember sitting with this cat one night at the Terrazo. He was interviewing this prospective Garota and I got to tell all you cats out there this cat new how to interview. The Garota kept saying no and nodding her head no then all of a sudden out of nowhere she said yes and was nodding yes with excitement. I looked down at her hand and he gave her a couple candy bars. Guys this cat was very smooth. - Hemp

"The Garota kept saying no and nodding her head no"

was it because he wanted her to leave the lights on!

I just downloaded this story from Yahoo tonight.

Brazil is seeing it's fair-share of problems.

Crime and violence is spiking all over due to the global economic downturn.

I follow Panama news closely, it is incredible the shit that is happening there too.

AJ

Silvia Izquierdo / AP
Law of the Streets: A man killed by gang members in Rio de Janeiro
BRAZIL
The Gangs of Rio
In Brazil, private-security forces impose an uneasy law on the slums.
By Mac Margolis | Newsweek Web Exclusive
Feb 23, 2009

Azul, a flatland slum in the scruffy west end of Rio de Janeiro, isn't much to look at. But don't tell that to Juliana. She moved there from Cidade de Deus (City of God), the bullet-riddled shantytown featured in the eponymous drugs-and-thugs film of 2002 that rattled polite Brazilians and earned Latin America's fairest address lasting notoriety. At least in Gardênia there were no teenagers with Kalashnikovs or vendors hawking cocaine in the street. To Juliana, a manicurist with a four-year-old son, those things matter. "We can walk the streets any time of day or night," she says. "I feel safe."

In Gardênia Azul safety is relative, and comes at a price. It's the six percent markup that residents pay on a bottled gas for cooking or the steep rents the slumlords charge. Or the fact that Juliana prefers not to use her real name when talking to a reporter. The reason for her reticence is "the militia", a self-designated neighborhood police force that runs the favela with an iron heel and a hand in everyone's pocket, taking a cut of all local business and services. No one is fond of the militia, which is often the corrupt twin of legitimate law enforcement with rogue cops acting as judge, jury and occasionally executioner. (Juliana won't soon forget her neighbor's 16-year-old, who was shot dead for smoking marijuana, his body dumped in the main square.) But to millions of people trying to get by in some of the meanest streets in the hemisphere, life involves hedging your bets by grabbing at whatever safety net you can. Cariocas, as city natives are called, light one candle to Cristo Redentor, the Art Deco Christ watching over Rio from the mountains, and another to the caveirão, the armored car police use to raid the outlaw favelas. And since neither authority has been up to the task, now the Cariocas are turning to the market.
Lately the market is booming. Blackwater gets all the press for its controversial work providing private security in Iraq, but more and more cities around the world have surrendered crime fighting and prevention into private hands. Analysts estimate that policing is a $100 billion to $200 billion global business and a growth industry in the developing world. In Russia, private cops outnumber regular ones by 10 to 1. So ubiquitous are they in South Africa, militias are even tasked with guarding regular police stations. Private security generates an estimated million jobs a year in India. Even Uganda has 20,000 private police on the streets, as many as Iraq had in 2006, at the height of the war.

Driving the trend is a complex demographic upheaval of rising prosperity in the emerging nations, a widening gap between rich and poor, burgeoning slums, and the utter incapacity of official enforcers to keep pace with outlaws. In the world's more orderly cities, where there are shopping malls to keep safe, upstanding companies like Pinkerton or the U.K. based G4S deploy trained and uniformed guards and work closely with official law enforcers. The reality is far different in the poorest countries, where the superrich are tailed by heavies in black suits and earpieces while the poor are left to fend for themselves. The contrast is especially stark in Rio, where some 800 shantytowns crowd the glistening skyline or fester around shuttered factories. For decades, drug traffickers held a monopoly in these asphalt no-man's lands. Now the militias have staked their claim.

Worse, Rio's militias are not just tolerated but exploited by crooked officials, who parlay their official status into a lucrative franchise. Many militias are composed of off duty cops, cashiered prison guards, firefighters, and even condemned criminals who take orders from senior police and elected officials. A recent probe by Rio lawmakers named eight elected officials and 67 police as ringleaders in 171 favelas. Don't bother asking for badge numbers. "You've heard of the gangs of New York. Now we have the gangs of Rio," says Claudio Ferraz, who heads Rio's organized-crime fighting united, DRACO.
These official godfathers are what makes militias far more treacherous than drug traffickers, says José Mariano Beltrame, Rio's secretary of public safety. "We are seeing the criminalization of politics and the politicization of crime," he says. And yet Beltrame says before he took office in 2007 no one even bothered to investigate the militias. Why the blind spot? "Interests," he shakes his head, signaling he can say no more. A probe by the Rio daily O Dia found that militia bosses have parlayed their lock on the favelas—where they run public transportation, skim off utility payments, control home sales and rentals, and peddle pirate cable-TV subscriptions—into personal fortunes, including yachts, mansions, and country estates.

The good news is the official indulgence may be ending. A former chief of police is now behind bars, for allegedly commanding militias. And after raiding militia strongholds and arresting more than 60 alleged ringleaders in Campo Grande, a major suburb west of Rio, the murder rate there plunged, a flicker of hope for the rest of the city. Still, busting rogue cops is only the beginning. Last month, a notorious militiaman known to all as Batman and serving time for attempted murder, walked out of a maximum-security prison in broad daylight. "Criminals move in where the state is weak or absent," says state lawmaker Marcelo Freixo. He should know. The target of anonymous threats ever since he led the legislative probe into Rio's militias, Freixo never goes anywhere without the cloud of body guards he refers to as "my friends." In Rio, everyone hedges their bets.

MEMBER COMMENTS
Posted By: venator76 @ 02/26/2009 10:09:16 PM
I'm a carioca myself and I must say that this report is pretty accurate. The only inaccurate thing is that in 2009 we officially reached the number of 1,000 slums spread throught the city, not 800 anymore. All slums dominated by thieves (3 factions of drug traffickers - Red Command (CV), Thrid Command (TC) and ADA, fighting against themselves for territory, plus the militia, all in an undeclared state of war that generates 6,000 deaths by gunfire per year. I live in a hell on earth!

Posted By: Big Citizen @ 02/26/2009 9:32:22 PM
W.T.F? What are these comments about. How could crime in Brazil be connected in any way to either of the two politcal parties in the United States? All I can say is when I read this, I am glad I live in United States.

All I can say is that I live in Rio, Brazil and I am glad I live there!! I hope everybody else stays away and gets scared so I can have all the Brazilian women and GDP's to myself! That should drop prices....

Corruption in Brazil...wow, what a surprise! I am absolutely shocked!

..and now, because I am sooooo damn scared I am going to make a quick terma run to 4x4 to relieve my stress.

LM -

True mongerers aren't frightened so easily.

Besides, I didn't post this to scare people away. I posted it because it was a story related to a common mongering destination for our fellow club memebers and anyone of any intelligence may wish to keep their wits about them when travelling down-range. I encourage everyone to go if they've made plans, just be informed and aware.

When I travel I go into the seediest areas of town all the time; but I also take certain precautions to control my exposure to risk. For example, when I am alone I may hire a local cab driver to hang-out with me to make sure nobody messes with me. Or, when in relatively rough parts of town at night, I may take a cab for a trip that I could have easily walked. This way I am controlling the odds in my favor.

As you live in Brazil (now), I used to live in Panama (before). I am smart enough to realize that as more time goes by and nothing happens to me, my confidence levels increase and therefore it is easy for me to become complacent and then I might wrongly accept unacceptable risk. This is when omplacency can sometimes become a killer.

My hope is that a fellow mongerer heading to Brazil will read this story will make a mental note and they may choose a better path and take additional measures to better control risks on their way to fuck whores. That's all. If this story convinces them to stay away, then perhaps mongering is not their cup of tea?

The right thing for us to do in this club is keep each other informed so we can make the best choices.

AJ

Rio is much more dangerous than Panama City IMHO. There's a lot more crime there and a lot more serious crime there.

It is just unfortunate that many people are scared to come to Rio and experience this wonderful city. Even Brazilian's from other states are scared because of all of the news reports. The news portrays the violence as if gangster are running around with guns in the street. That might be true in some parts (In the Favela's), but not in Zona Sul.

With all its problems, I love Rio with passion. Its people, its geographical beauty, the beach, and of course the girls.

Initially I loved Rio because of its girls, but eventually I fell in love with Rio as much as I did with the girls. Eventually it became a part of me and I cannot imagine living anywhere else. The life of a Caricoa is like none other.

Oh, I'm not advocating that, but I'm being honest. Something as simple as leaving Help at night and walking two blocks to a hotel, on a well lit and crowded street, can be fairly dangerous. Pickpockets, muggers, it's very much done in the open. I've never really seen that anywhere else, to the extent that it happens right there on Atlantica in Copa.

Yeah, there are plenty equivalents to walking drunk up Djalma Ulrich at 3:00 AM. Getting mugged in front of the Rio Othon, right on a major sidewalk, at 8:00 PM with dozens of people looking on, you just don't see that a lot elsewhere. Shit like that happens all the time. Bwana was robbed at gunpoint on Atlantica at 5:00 PM in the afternoon, and he's a total vet. I don't know of any vet that hasn't been hit, or at least chased, at one time or another.

I agree..... the area around Help is exceptional dangerous. but a big BUT - Walking around in Leblon or Ipanema at the same time would not be anywhere close to that. Saturday night in Leblon at 4:00am is a sharp contrast to 4:00am walking around Copa.

Help is the ultimate pray environment - Gringo's with plenty of money in their pocket. Talk about a target rich area. Many times the GDP's have friends that they coordinate robberies with, or even Cops. All up and down Atlantica it is a robbers paradise....

In Copa you have take precautions.....many more then if were to walk home from Devassa in Ipanema to your hotel in Ipanema. There is just not such a target rich audience as there is in Copa, especially close to all the GDP hang-outs like Help and Balcony Bar, etc....

I have not been hit, but I've not been to help or anywhere near "monger central" in Copacabana in a few years.

Gringos get robbed in Copacabana nearby Help because every favelado knows they all have R$300 in their pocket...it is a sure thing.

On the other hand I've been so drunk I could hardly see straight in Lapa in the wee hours of the morning many times and never had a problem. The only night time excitement I have ever had was when Diversity and I got pulled over in a cab and searched.

I have not been hit or robbed in the five years I been in Rio. The worst - and I should have known better - was being pick pocketed during Banda de Ipanema. They got my cell phone one year ago.... I didn't feel a thing. Usually before entering banda's I empty my pockets and leave with limited money (i.e. like R$20), but that day I did not have any intentions to go but changed my mind when I saw the crowd coming. Other then that, I am a night owl and nothing has happened to me. But, even so I like to monger, I rarely hang out in fron Help. Usually I stay until the wee hours in Lapa, Zona Norte, and many other places. I have even walked into some of the more dangerous favelas like Jacare (ok, maybe not such good thing to do)...again, never a problem.

Well, shit happens... taking the best possible precautions is about all you can do.

I am maybe a little more sensitive towards the reports of violence because I am married to a Paulista. The majority of her friends and family in Sao Paulo are scared to death with Rio. A few have changed their mind after spending time in Rio with us...

Interestingly, when we have the typical Rio versus Sao Paulo conversations, almost all have had robberies happen to them in Sao Paulo. Sometimes multiple times. But I think all the news about the gangs and drug wars in the Rio Favelas is big headlines and a way to sell papers and make half of the Brazilian population scared to death about Rio..... what a pitty!

Globo has an incentive to report crime. They want you to stay home and watch TV and increase their advertising revenue.

If you really want to go to a dangerous place try Juarez. Go hang out near some cops and see how long it takes to get shot.

I have lived here in Rio for the last 6 years. I have been robbed once, and twice there were failed attempts.

The area around Help Disco is by far the most dangerous area. People should be taking more caution there than any other area.

I now follow one golden rule. Do not let anyone near you that you don't know. If they are approaching you, then run away. Do not try and talk to them just get out of there. The only time I was actually robbed, I was a little drunk and I thought I could talk to him to tell him to leave me alone. If they are never near, they will never rob you.

BT: Realistic and good advice.

Copa,

it's pretty hard to get mugged in Centaurus

My corollary to BT's "don't let them near you" is if they do get near, fire pepper spray and then head in the other direction.

The last incident I had was a year ago, and it was on Atlantica just past Santa Clara, between Santa Clara and Constante Ramos. One favelado - adult - started walking up asking me what time it was, with his two favelado buddies - both adults - looking on. Real stupid, the old "what time is it" is a dead giveaway, especially on Atlantica where there's a clock/temperature gauge every block or so. Oh, and this was 8:00 on a Friday night, tons of people on the street.

I just hung a hard right as the three moved in and talked to a street vendor for a minute. The thieves got bored and gave up and walked on, towards the Marriott. Real stupid on their part, but again, we're all just dumb tourists to them.

The time and place surprised me, but I still saw them in time. They actually just stood there for a minute, eyeballing me, as if I would just eventually start walking again. If it would have been the one guy, I would have just pepper sprayed his ass and walked on. With three, not a chance.

Truth is, while crime is possible anywhere in the city, I would say it's along Atlantica between Posto 4 and Posto 5, and the side streets for 2-3 blocks away from Help, all the way back to the morro. If you avoid that area, you're chances of being mugged are probably no greater than any other big city.

Visitors to Rio have about a 100% chance of being scammed, or at least attempted, by taxiestas, waiters, street vendors, hookers, hotels and apartment owners. That's just the way it is. But the muggings and whatnot, that's pretty much an Atlantica/Help issue.

On Av Atlantica Santa Clara is a long block with mostly apartments and therefore limited places to go in case of an attack. In years past two attempts at robbing me have been made there. Often I carry a full water bottle, invert it and hold it like a club. One of those attempts was thwarted when I nailed the guy on the head and ran like hell.

Another bad place is coming out of Monte Carlo walking along Domingos Ferreira. I had a gang of older guys catch me off guard there. Again, I ran like hell, ducked into a hotel and called a taxi for the three block ride back to the apartment.

Walk fast, be alert, if someone approaches you do not stop, if you are attacked, run and yell as loud as you can. If you cannot get away do not resist.

For about two years Rio has felt much safer. This year the feel is a little different. However, I have noticed that the PM's in their cool berets seem to be patrolling the streets of Copa more.

For robbers the area by Help is just like fishing for fish in a barrel.

Just avoid walking around that area too much, especially if you are not familiar with Rio. Always take a taxi home from Help, not matter how close the hotel. Just make sure to avoid the taxi's out front and pick a passing taxi.

I do agree that there is almost a 100% chance of getting scammed - especially by taxi drivers.

I guess I am just used to it and always on the look-out for it. Here are some starters - some of the more common ones:

1) Taxi drivers overcharging - Putting Bandeira 2 instead of 1 during the daytime. 1 should be used Monday - Saturday until 9:00pm at night. 2 after 9, and all day Sunday including the entire month of December (that is their 13th salary). The last time I arrived at the airport during the week around 11:00am, the taxi driver put on '2'. I told him that was incorrect and he responded with a surprised look, "oh really? are you sure". Funny guy! and yes, he did change it to '1' and apologized

2) Taxi drivers taking the long way - that one is difficult to prevent unless you know your way around Rio.

3) Avoid the high priced taxi services at the airport (i.e. the blue and red taxi's). Always head out the door and pick a yellow taxi. Much cheaper and just as safe.

4) If the taxi meter starts incrementing really quickly, something is wrong. If anything with the taxi driver seems wrong it is best to get out and pick another. If the taxi driver does not know where your hotel is and is driving around getting directions, that is usually bullshit. Get out!

5) Restaurants - Always check your bill!!!! When you drink beer, i.e. Chopp, count the beer. Some have a controle de chopp, if they do not count using toothpicks or other methods. I can't tell you how common it is to be overcharged for beer.

6) At the beach, I highly recommend 'Denise' and 'Dilma' on Ipanema Beach (Between Farme and Vincius de Moraes). Many beach vendors will usually overcharge for chairs and umbrella's, especially in front of Caesars Palace.

As far as safety, in Copa I would always recommend taking a taxi no matter how close your hotel might be to 'Help'. Walk out straight into the road and do NOT take the taxi's parked there. Also avoid the "friends" of the GDP's and fixed prices. If the girls insists and you give in, just be prepared to be overcharged (I just leave them there if they do not do it my way and pick someone else)

Safety wise - if you see a group of kids walking your way and getting close, put your hands in the pocket and hold on to your wallet and cell phone.

Rio is not a place for the timid and shy. Act like a Brazilian and watch out for your rights. I guess at this time it has become second nature to me....

Gentlemen,

Sixteen days ago when the violence erupted in Rio’s favelas, everyones’ first instinct was to stay indoors. Slowly things started to get back to normal, but the general populace was still on edge. Lucy, being part of the general populace, was as edgy as me in a terma. Three days into the favela sieges, she got on a bus in Copacabana bound for Barra Shopping, twenty miles away. The bus was crowded but she was able to get a seat up in front right next to the cashier. A couple of blocks later a drunken Brazilian got on the bus without any money. He refused to pay because he couldn’t and, consequently, the driver put the bus in neutral until he got off. It was a typical waiting game that is usually won by the driver. This case, however, was different. He was prepared to wait all night.

Sensing this another passenger gladly paid his fair of R$2.4, just to get the bus moving again. The drunk was loud, dirty and smelled of cheap cachaca. As the bus started moving again, he fell onto the passengers in the row behind Lucy’s seat. Rather than sit there with this drunken idiot on them, both got up, leaving him in the two seats all by himself. This made him happy for a few minutes. That is until he started shouting and kicking the seat ahead of him which was occupied by Lucy. Those of you who have met Lucy know she not a small woman who’s easily intimidated. Quite the contrary--she’s a trained boxer, and a southpaw, too.

As the bus was turning off Av. Atlantica towards Ipanema, the guy went over the imaginary line that Lucy had drawn in her pretty little Brazilian mind. Something had to be done and fast. Because of the configuration of the seats, she couldn’t deck him so she did the next best thing--threaten him with her Spitfire pepper spray. He laughed, which turned out to be the absolute worst thing he could have done. Unfortunately, it turns out not only for him, but also the rest of the passengers as well as driver and cashier.

All it took was a one second burst in his eyes to send him into convulsions of pain. However, in a crowded, non air conditioned bus with its windows wide open, the one second burst was enough to cause coughing, shouts of panic among all the passengers, who instantly started for the back door exit. Pandaemonium ruled momentarily, until some the more intelligent passengers realized that they couldn’t all get out the door at once. That’s when the smarter passengers grabbed the red emergency handles around the side windows and tugged with all their might. In typical Brazilian fashion all the handles broke off, leaving the bright guys standing there coughing and looking like idiots. Meanwhile, those passengers residing lower on the intelligence scale were calmly walking out the rear door.

A rumor started immediately. I can’t confirm that Lucy started it, but that sounds reasonable. The rumor went something like this: Traficantes from the favela attacked the bus, throwing some kind of nerve gas inside so that they could commandeer it and hold the passengers for ransom. A bargaining chip in the favela wars, so to speak. That sounded accurate and completely plausible to the bus driver, especially in light of the fact that his vehicle was somehow gassed. He immediately called the Military Police on his cell phone to report an ongoing “Trafacante Hijacking.” More civil unrest!

Within seconds four police cars pulled up and eight policeman exited their vehicles with automatic weapons ready, willing and able to blast away the viscous drug dealers who were hijacking a bus full of innocent civilians. And one not-so-innocent civilian, that being Lucy. Now I don’t have to tell you that these cops standing around with their weapons drawn were more than a little disappointed that the Trafacante got away scott free, leaving behind only one drunken accomplice. Right there on the street they took out their pent-up frustrations on him, which, in the overall scheme of things, you’ll have to admit, seemed somewhat justified.

Badly bruised, totally confused and with red swollen eyes from the pepper spray, the drunk pointed at Lucy and shouted an obscenity as they tried to put him into one of the police cars. Ooops watch out, as his head was slammed into the rear door jam. Like all women sensing human pain anywhere nearby, Lucy said out loud, “Ouch, that must have hurt.” Feeling a little guilty, but not so much so that she did a “mea culpa,” Lucy asked where they were taking him. One of the cops who was prodding the drunk with his nightstick said, “Back to the station for more questioning.” Just in case you don’t know it, in Brazil, police interrogation has a certain physical element to it.

A half hour later the passengers climbed back aboard the bus, careful not to trip over the broken red Emergency Exit handles that littered the floor, and resumed their trip to Barra Shopping, sans the cachaca soaked trafacante accomplice. All’s well that ends well.

Jag