prices are scattered as usual...last night... asked a girl for turk and she started off at R100!! the girl I was with went balistic on the girl because she was actually very pretty..almost screwed it up for turk...but the girl was not hardcore like mine was ...she was also no newbie as she has been in rio for 2 years..

the old saying YMMV will always hold up...also turk is on the better looking side of the dollar bill...

$R100
That's what I like to hear, Keep up the good work
and what time of night was it?

CN

I guess I should know this, but what is turk? I thought I was good at solving riddles and when I read that it "is on the better looking side of the dollar bill" I thought you meant head, but then when I re-read "the girl I was with went balistic on the girl because she was actually very pretty..almost screwed it up for turk", I decided that I'm just easily confused. I'll be in Rio this Saturday!

CG

Never mind, I just realized from another post that turk is a person! Oh well, I've never been good about the whole looking before I leap thing.

CG

help is very strange these days..

finally a stunner shows up on the terrace...from sao paulo .. I thought I was on a trophy run for awhile but as soon as sexo begins my faith is returned...she went for r200


back in help several stunners tonight but none them are showing me some love...way too much attitude with all the guys in town...takes me until 330 to find a sweet one..

Now if you pay $R100 for a girl at help. she is only making $R77, because of entrance.
I wonder if I threw a quote, outside of help below a R100 will they accept?

CN

Did I miss something in this thread? Is entrance to Help now R23?

It was $R23 last week, R15 before midnight
it may go higher during carnaval.


CN

Ouch! That's a bit cheeky and it will be higher in Carnaval.

Like the girls they like to keep increasing the price in line with the weakening Real.

Ard,

Only a few of them keep track of the Real on the downside against the dollar.

Because the girls still pay the same rent as 6 months ago, there cost of living is still the same.
Most of them try to raise prices but the excuse is not because of the strong dollar presence. It's more like make all the money now to carnaval because once march comes it's going to be a drought on money for them.
Wait until march or april and if the real is trading at 3.50 or higher you can still get a stunner for $R150 a night. Compared to $R300 now.

I also went in Aug 02 and the Real was at 3.30 and everthing was much cheaper, For some reason my meia pataca bill was much higher this time.


CN

I can confirmed that Ceenotes is correct on the R$23 entry price after midnight. I just got back from Rio and was in Help for all six nights while I was there. There is a big sign above the ticket window(outside) that reads something like "as of January 2003 the price is $23 after midnight".

finally terrace produced young stunner gfe..sometimes you just have to stay at it and go thru the tough times...terrace had several 9 level talent with sweet smiles ...

Must say the best pick up I had at Help was a 5'5" blonde from the south (Santa Catharina) name Angela. In Dec-Jan I took 9 girls back to my hotel and not one would do anal, even though I am not anal freak. I just ask and enjoy seeing the response. But this girl Angela was a killer. She blew my dick away, she rode my cock and she was superb when she did anal. Give her a try she is always at HELP disco.

A buddy told me that Rio is flooded and a few days ago Help was closed.

It must be damaging, if Help closes.

I bet the girls are crying all week and most likely to raise the prices to make up for loss income.

I am going to Rio in March. What is the amount of REALS I am going to spend on a Garota (help disco), Terma girl, escort and others on the average?
I am a newbie and I do not want to get ripped off or ruin it for the rest of the travelers.
Any advise?
Also, How much money do I need to have a great time for a middle class fellow for a weeks worth of entertainment? I was thinking 1500 on top of my airfare and Hotel. Is this enough?
Can someone help me out?

it was only closed friday night..she was back in full swing saturday...wall to wall...

luckyred15- figure R200 per session on avg for termas and help is all over the damn map..from the lowest R100 for all night to $200 an hour was the highest I was quoted this time...on avg again R200...

Layne 87,

I bet it was wall to wall, so did the party get shifted over somewhere else?

CN

dont know I hooked up outside 10 minutes before the closing...so for me .. yes..

Pulled a cutie out of help about midnight for toda la noche. A couple of hours later she wanted to leave - she said something about her child. She may have a child, but itīs difficult to believe with her body. I tossed down $R100 -half of the agreed on price, and started to pull my clothes on. She asked where I was going and told me I must be very tired and should be sleeping. After I said I was going back to Help for another garota, she slipped back into bed and settled in for the night. I know a lot of these gals have kids, but I wonder if they ever invent them as well?

Of course they invent them Charlie..

The reason she jumped back in bed with your was because she was going back to help too!

Charlie,

Man, I need you there when I'm in Rio.
How do you muscle them out?
It happens to me a few times and they tried calling the police and their boyfreinds to have them pay the full amount for 1 hr.

About the kids. I look for the stretch marks or sagging ass or tits.

So did your $R100 cover the toda la noche.

CN

Charlie; Good move, I hope that I don't have to use it when I visit in march.

Charliegringo-I like you didn't cave and pay her the 200R. Lots of Gringos would have....and tipped her on top of it.

Help was packed last 2 nights, lots of new faces including some nice blondes. Best i could tell ratio is 1 to 1. Entrance is 25R after midnight, 15R before. Fuuny thing happened on the way in, a 4 said let's make love, special price for you, $100, i laughed and she said $100 is nothing to a american, i just laughed and headed in. I quess that's the perception of alot of girls at Help. Last night hooked up with Tiaza, adorable face, blonde, sweet as sweet can be, very good girl will look out for your best interest and treat you right. Very good bbbj and good sexo and nice massage after. very nice set of guns, are you listening batman?

If I had a dollar for everytime a garota has made the comment "One hundred dollars is nothing to you", I could retire in Rio a rich man. I don't know where they get this idea, but many of them believe that we toss hundred dollar bills around like they are nickels. I have tried (in vain) to explain to them, that 100 bucks is alot of money, and that not all Americans are rich. Hell 100 bucks pays for my phone and cable bill!!

They refuse to believe that I have to work hard and save for 2 to 3 months, in order to afford a trip to Rio, they think its just pocket money to me.

Well, it's perfectly understandable that these girls (like a lot of other people around the world) think that the streets are paved with money in the U.S.. Remember, the average wage in Brazil is $150 a month or so, and Brazil is well-off compared to a lot of other places.

When I explain to Brazilians that a $100 A DAY is barely making it here in the US (that's 26K a year... functional poverty level), most can't believe it. Then when I tell them what I pay for things like health or car insurance, taxes, food, mortgage, etc, they ask me why the hell am I living in the US? So everything is relative.

But don't forget, to a lot of the girls a Help, we are mostly walking ATM's. Such is life.

BS

Fooldagain,

Are you talking about Tiaza from 4X4?
I never saw her at HELP. Sweet girl,
I tried her at 4X4 and she is wild, but after reviewing the photos, too much white cover up on her face looks a little scary.
Anyone heading to 4X4, please tell her to lighten up on the face cream.
Alot of my buddies had to take a double take on her because as we all know; there's only one kind of people who pounds on the face cream.

How much did Tiaza charge?
She's been around, if you ever go to 4X4 and look on the employee of the month wall of photos, she's on it.
I wouldn't be surprise if she has stock options in 4X4.
I think she get nailed, more times a day than flights coming into GIG.


CN

Garotas wouldn't be quoting $100 US Dollars unless there were lots of Gringos paying it. Why anyone would pay in US Dollars is beyond me.

When I went in Jan, mostly newbies from the states and european guys were spitting out USD
and a 100USD coming from England is only 60USD to them.
Like I said before, I had a garota over and I got her down to $R200 (still overpaying) and when I handed her the money, she added it to her 7-8 hundred USD stack.

That's allright, I'll be patients and go back maybe march or april when it's the low season and start spitting out R$100-R$150 for all nighters.


CN

"and a 100USD coming from England is only 60USD to them."

I can assure you that $100 is still $100 even in the UK. Unless of course you know of a bank that offers very favourable exchange rates.

Yes, GBP is currently strong and salaries in some areas are higher in the UK. However, the high cost of living plus expensive property and consumer goods means there is less disposable income to splash out on the girls of Help, than coming from the US. As Thumper points out it's as much about what you pay out day to day as what you earn. Next trip try wasting some time explaining such economic niceties to a Help girl.

When girls quote me in US$ I always look puzzled and ask "I'm not American and we're in Brazil so why are you talking about dollars". Guess it wouldn't work for most people here.

To get back on topic i.e. Help. After about 6 mths on CH I notice that the Termas world (for want of a better phrase) seems to be smaller than the Help world. In other words I recognise some of the faces in Termas reports plus many of the girls are done by multiple hombres.

On the other hand I recognise few if any of the Help girls (Danielle being a notable exception). I find this strange as I've spent a lot more time in Help than Termas and know most of the regular faces (veterans?) there. In addition I can't find any of my regulars in the archives (and no it's not because they're dogs).

This is partly because most CHers are more Termas oriented and because Help attracts more Rio newbies. Also some girls just pass thru Help for short periods.

I am curious if many of you recognise the Help girls in the reports and have been there, done that etc. or notice the same thing as me.

Reminding me about the thermas, everyone goes because the talent is much better than HELP.
As far a spending, your losses will be greater at the thermas. Your paying $R140 for an hour service for a quickie or until the phone rings.At that rate for an entire night with a girl will run you over $R1200 if you stayed in that cabin all night.
Girls at HELP throw out USD as there sales line. It's like walking into a car dealership, there going to stick you with sticker prices, unnecessary warranties and high financing if your unaware your going to get burned. Simple as that.
Girls are happy making $R100-$R150 a night, more would be great but theirs a sucker born everyday.

Another thing, I spoke to several girls on the track and they get all there education about the industry from these wanna-be pimps that are living there now from the states.(Not implying everyone living in Rio from the states are wanna-be's)
These are cool guys in general, I see them almost everyday, but they give advice to all the girls, on how to maximize their profits on tourist. they keep them updated on the Dollar vs. the Real etc... Why, do you ask they tell them this? To get free Pussy in Return. I am with girls on the beach who points out these american guys and braggs how smart they are. Do they know what the word smart means? Watching "superfly movies" dont make you smart.
Just think about it, it make sense.


CN

The answer to all the high asking prices is simple...just don't pay it!

Ardgneas-I prefer Termas for the reasons mentioned. No scams and you can see what you'll get. Also the tables are turned. The garotas are competing for you, not you trying to compete for them. Another big upside to Termas is amenities-you can steam, sauna, shower, massage, and relax before or after the session. Much more relaxed in my opinion.

Upside to Help is huge volume of garotas. With that many, there have to be a few good ones.

My experience at Help is I see too many hardcore on the program. I even try to pick terma girls when inside Help. Termas garotas may be professional but they are not hardcore as repeat business is important to them. On top of that, I find less than 5% of garotas to my liking at Help while over 30% at termas. Then I get bbbj over 90% at termas while at Help it's hit and miss, maybe 50%. But that's my experience as always YMMV.

Ardgneas, I think the reason why you see so few pics of Help girls is because they are becoming harder and harder to take pics of. There are a large number of veterans at Help every night but because of the internet, its a real bitch to get pics of them (even fully clothed). However, in a terma, I think the girls know they almost have no choice when it comes to pics. They know if they say "no" there are many other girls who will say "yes". The competition level is much higher in a terma than it is in Help

The advantage of Help can be said in two words...NEW TALENT...plus there is more of a variety of 'talent' at Help....

Athos is right, when I went last month it took me hours to settle in and leave help.
5% sounds right, maybe I just want it all, to have a therma experience all night at the price of help. I think mostly Everyone at Help are hardcore even the therma girls. My buddy picked up a gal who worked at MC and charged him $R250 for the night and guess what after that first shot here comes the excuses to leave. I think the therma ones in help will pull stunts like this, so they can go back to help and make another $R250+.
Maybe in the low season the girls may relax more at help. Because now, it's like shopping in the month of December or hotels in the summer, there income for the year depends within these first two months of this year.

I guess guys, nothings perfect.

Ceenotes-- The Tiaza i was with only works Help, sweetest girl i met in Rio in 3 trips. Girls are still available for 200r- 250r even now in high season, last night had a girl accept 100r for short time, i passed, needed a night off. Help was a mad house over the weekend, never seen it so packed, but things slowed last night.. Some garotas are saying they are coming in now for carnaval. I would say the talent level is about the bsame for all 3 trips i've taken, march 2002, august 2002, and now. Probally will skip Help tonight and head to Barbarella.

I prefer Help to the Termas.

Help has a much Larger selection, and the ladies will usually stay for the night. At the termas you have to pay by the hour.

If you get to Help early around 11:00PM you will usually have your pick of the ladies.

The Termas are a nice alternative.

Help was packed over the weekend, hope it slows a little for tonight. Left at 5am last night, still packed. Friday hooked up with a gorgoues blonde from BH, WOW, 22 but looked 18, incredible face, nice petite body, in the room she was a little shy and kind of innocent believe it or not, nice tight pussy, real good time, will hook up with her again tonight. 350R but well worth it. Only problem was no english. Went back to help at 4am and hooked up with anotherr garota, she wants 350R, i offer 200R, she says --i can,t go with you for 200R because you are American, you have money and can afford to pay 300R, i told her that,s not true and she grabs my nose and says your nose is growing, you lie. The perception ofr Americans is way out of whack with some of these girls. Anyway we decide on 250R, GOOD TIME BUT SHE WANTED TO TALK TO MUCH, and she would laugh every time i felt her tits, kind of like it was her first time a guy ever felt her tits, it was a little annoying but good sex made up for it.

If you go to Help just to hook up some people are going to be frustrated. The number of girls is huge but the quality is not as good as the termas. Plus if you hesitate, the good ones may be gone and if its crowded you may not find them again until you see them leaving with someone else.

However if you like to go to clubs dance, flirt and hook up you will have a great time. Dance with as many girls as you want flirt with people and when you see one you like move in. I find the girls have great attitue. Most will flirt back with you EVEN when holding someone elses hand. A true contrast from NY or LA, where they will only give you a smile if they happen to see you drive up in a Bently or look like a model.

Have fun. Dam I miss it. Counting the days.

I was in Help 13 nights out of the 14 that I was in Rio ( Jan, Friday night it closed because of huge downpour that flooded the Copacabana area). It was packed every nite. During my two week stay I saw about 10 girls out the hundreds that I would do. The girls that I was interested quoted first, cem dollars then 300 reals then 250 reals and the lowest 200 reals. The later the cheaper. I was never anxious to get laid because I always got laid at a terma 5 to 6 hours before. Anyway someone told me that January was the best time to go to Help because there is a lot of new, part time talent; girls supplementing their income on their school vacation. Is this true? Frankly the huge crowds and the deafing music was at times unbearable. A few times I would get their at 3am just to avoid the crowds. How is the talent in Help in June and Sept? My next vacation.

Cueball
I was in Rio last May and Help was not crowded, maybe 100 garotas. Jan is high tourist season so expect much bigger crowds.

Just talk to a friend in Rio today and said HELP is packed wall to wall for the last 3 nights.
This is the X-Mas season for all the locals and garotas and there going to squeeze you for every dollar they can.

When I was there in Jan, In Help all the good looking ones get picked up around 12am-1am after that it's all low tier or you find a hot hardcore one who is coming back for seconds.

I recall a girl looking in the range of scale 5 gave me a quote of $R700 in Jan.

CN

It seems things have really gotten out of control with these outrageous quotes I've been reading. It's been nearly a year since I've been there and the most a top tier girl ever quoted me was 300r. I hope things settle down by next month for my visit.

Stayawayjoe,


$R300 a year ago was alot because the Real was around $R2.30 only.

Today, I think the first quote for top tier is still $R300 in HELP.

I usually buy them a drink and have one dance with them and it easily drops to $R200(for the entire night)

CN

Help. Was there almost daily(nightly) during my 3 week trip end januari - begin februari. Had girls for 200/250 Reals most of the time.

One Barbarella hottie, IMO the hostest garota in place at that particular point in the evening qouted 100US. I countered 350R. Must have been the late hour messing up my math skills.
A tall morena with huge tits and an ass to match. Big turn off was that the dense fur she grow on her legs. Great service otherwise.

An other one about price qouted. One garota (a 7) from Help I went with said a guy paid her $1500 US for an half hour. He really wanted her she said. Unbelievable. But I don't any reason why she should be lying.

The last few nights i've gotten 3 quotes of 700R , they all came down to 600R but that was it, one girl left alone and i offered her 300R as she walked out the door but she would not take it. One blonde might be the hottest one in Help i offerd 400R, would not take it, i might go 500R or 400R FOR 2 HOURS, and see if she takes that. There are still gorgoues garotas willing to accept 300R or 200R, last night hooked up with gorgoues blonde from Sao Paulo,300R, she left earlier in the night with someone and returned to the club when i got her, so she probally made 600R for the night, maybe a better stratergy then girls asking 600R and going home alone with no dinero.. There is a Halle Berry look-a-like at Help but before you get to excited her face matches but her ass doesn't. I've been running in to alot of silicon,much more than other trips, don't know if it's the luck of the draw or a trend, the boob jobs here seem to be much better than in the US. They look and feel more natural, some i could not tell by look or feel.

Cueball- I've been in Rio 3 times, March 2002, August 2002, and now, the talent in my opinion was basically the same on all 3 trips, just more girls and guys now. So many people now , be prepared for a wrestling match every night trying to walk thru the club, in August there were nights when it would get very busy almost like now but many nights would be 50% , even 25% of now. Everytime i've gone to Help with the exception of only a few times, there would be at least a couple doable girls, but you have to move quick to get them which means you might pay a little more, it's a catch 22, if you wait they are gone, get them early they may not negotiate.