One club worth mentioning in Rio is Hasa Branco (spelling). This Americano who lives in Rio mentioned it to me, located in Centro, possibly 10 garotas to 1 man ratio. He said there are more women then men in Brazil (could this be true?).

Asa Blanca is a club in Lapa near the arches not far from Rio Antigo. It's a place to bring a date rather than pick one up.

Malandro
Can you name a good club to pick a non working club?
I'd like to try my luck on my next trip.

I meant non working garota

Athos,

I think you would do better in some of the smaller clubs in Lappa than you would in the big clubs such as Hard Rock or the Bedroom. Another nice place to meet girls is in Barra de Tijuca and is called Ilha dos Pescadors (Island of Fisherman). This place is full of the hottest girls you will ever see anywhere! The dancing is limited to traditional Brasilian/Latin dancing such as Forro and Flamingo. Another good place in Botofogo is called Casa de Dance, this place is a dance school that opens up on Fridays and Saturday nights for open dancing agian the style will be Brasilain and the girls are HOT Honeslty they blow away anything I have seen in HELP or even Barbarellas! Keep in mind if you go to Lappa that this area is not the safest place for a Gringo at night! If you go try to go with a group and don't ride the buses at night, take a cab!

In my opinion you are going to run into two major obstacles when trying to meet a non working girl at any of the clubs in Rio:

1: Language, most of the girls (even the educated ones) will not speak English. Of course this can be overcome by learning Portuguese.

2: The stigma of being seen with a Gringo in Rio. This Obstacle is not as easily overcome as language. You see Rio has long been known as a hot spot for Sex Tourism and any girl seen with a Foreigner is automatically considered a Prostitute.

I have a "non working" girlfriend in Rio (she is a psychologist actualy)and everywhere we go she receives funny looks from other Brasilans. I am fortunate that she doesn't let it bother her but most girls don't want to deal with it. I know all her (girl) friends very well and they all tell me they would not date a gringo because of this. I just got lucky when I met my girlfriend.

I'm not saying it's impossible but "it ain't easy". The good news is this only seem to hold true in Rio (and I assume other cities such as Recife and Fortaleza where there is a big Sex Tourism Industry). If you go to other cities such as Santos, Belo Horizonte....... The Stigma doesn't seem to exist, in fact being a foreigner seems to be a point of interest to the girls but you will still have the Language problem.

Excellent post, Ranger... Thanks for bringing us up to speed.

Ranger
Sounds like you live in Brazil?
Can you comment on the job opportunities for foreigners? There is nothing posted on the international job web sites for Brazil.
I am happy to learn Portuguese so will be able to enjoy working garotas even more. And will stick to working garotas for now.

The economic downturn has also impacted Rio & Brazil w.r.t jobs. A buddy of mine, a brazilian moved back from Miami, and is now driving a cab. Was a Manager here in the US.

Dood mentioned The Bedroom the other day, here is the address found in ipanema.com:
Estrada do Joá, 150 in S. Conrado

Athos,
Careful, careful! I took a break from whoring activities one evening in rio. I went to a club in Barra and accidentally stumbled into a non-working brasiliera. We hit it off immediately. It only happened because her English was a lot better than my portuguese. She was very intelligent. We spent my last 3 days in Rio together. My emotions are all gummed up. We're exchanging emails like mad since I've returned. I always thought that gringos were persona non grata with brasilieras because they think we think that they are easy. I guess I'll just play it by ear.

stayawayjoe - go for it.

She may be looking for a meal ticket to the US. I know it is not always true, but many Brasilieras do not want to be seen with gringo because the thought is that gringos only associate with garotas.

Canonperdido,
I hear what you're saying but this one doesn't fit the profile of the type of girl you are speaking of.

Just for the record, "garota" is not a derogatory word. It just means "girl"

I hope us gringo's like to associate with garotas, otherwise we're on the wrong board...

Stayawayjoe, I wish you the best.

Getting her up here can be somewhat tricky, but it is doable.

"Garota" actually means "thin thing" (like a garrotte made of thin wires used by spies in movies to slit people's throats). So it COULD be juxtaposed against "gordita," for example. But common usage suggests that young women are skinny, and so young thin female things are garotas, and so the working staff in termas are garotas. It's a question of what context you're using the word in, whether it means something neutral (non-working girl) or something specific to a professional situation (prostitute) or something derogatory (cunt).

Same etymological path, different word: virgin. From Latin "virgo, virginis," thin reed.

This fascinating romp across the pages of your Oxford English Dictionary brought to you by the letters M and Phil and the numbers 69.

Stayawayjoe-- Were the garotas in the club friendly to gringo`s? Alot of lookers in the club? If so how about the name and address.

I posted the address of The Bedroom under nightclub section. Yeah let's get more details...

Actually this is the thread, just a few posts up...

I went to Nuth nightclub in Barra da Tijuca. The address is 999 Av. Armando Lombardi. It has a website at nuth.com.br. Are the garotas friendly? My best answer is, vis-a-vis other nightclubs I've been to, they "appear" to be friendlier. But my impressions are most likely skewed because of my luck there.

One of my favorite places where the girls speak some English is Emporio in Ipanema on the corner of Prudente de Moraes and Maria Quiteria. Very cheap beer and alternative/hard rock music 7 nites a week.

later
jose

I was in Rio and I found the nightlife really
scant in the district of Copacabana,only the
disco Help has plenty of available garotas,but
generally the quality was between 5 - 7.
But there are a nightclub (I don´t remember
the name) in the Av. Princesa Isabel,near of
the Meridien hotel who amazed me because
I found 2 gorgeous girls with quality "10"
working in those club.The month was September,
now I don´t know if the same girls are still
available.The name of a girl is CASSIA,she is
a brunette of long hair and very sensual body
and long legs who dances in front of a great
mirror.

Anyone heard of or been to a club called "Banker"? It is supose to be near my apt in Copacabana. My guess its a local hang out and non-pro.

probably bunker
went there but it was empty the night I went. It was shown the E channel on "wild on rio" .

went to nuth last night in barra for the first time in a while. everyone had been saying that monday nights with flashback music were the best, etc. anyway, i really don~t recommend it on monday nights after what i saw last night. about a 3 to 1 girl to guy ratio and the average age of the women (and the men) was 35 or more. i will go back another night this week and see if it is any better because everyone says it is the best (or one of the best) night clubs in rio. when i was here before a few months ago there were a lot more hot girls here.

also, as an aside, i played this weird billiard game last night against some brazilians at nuth. you have about 7 balls and you have to hit them into the pocket in some type of order, similar to 9 ball, but there are points involved and you don~t break the balls, they are arranged on the table. does anyone know what this game is? is it brazilian or european?

Monday night at Nuth has for years been known to be the "oldies" night so it's not surprising that the average age of the customers was higher than normal. Outside the weekend, Wednesday night is IME the best bet at Nuth.

i wish i had known that before i went there, but it was brasilians that were telling me monday was the best night. anyway, you are more knowledgeable than they were because it did suck. also, one correction to my posting above, the ratio was 3 guys to one girl, not the opposite.

Great places to meet girls -

Lapa: Scenerium is very good. One of my favorite places in Rio right now. Huge places. Live Samba music on the first floor (it has multiple floors). The nightclub is located on the second floor.

One place already mentioned in this thread is Ihla dos Pescadors in Barra de Tijuca. This is a large nightclub with mostly Brazlian music, much of it live. Friday night is Brazilian Funk music night. Another one of my favorites, however, the place is not so condusive to meeting someone as most people dance around their tables. It does have a dance floor, but 90% of the nightclub is tables. Not too many Gringo - another good feature for me.

Shenanigans in Ipanema - I have met a couple of girls in here, however, some working ones mixed in acting as non-working. I used to go in there quite a bit and met one girl who eventually told me that she could not talk to me too long as she "was working" after things did not progress with us. She ended up meeting some English guy, stayed in England for six months, then returned looking for her next prey. I did meet a couple quality ones, but like I mentioned previouslythere are some professional girls mixed in that are looking for gringo's to marry. Actually last night I sat there just having a beer observing a couple of cuties sitting with a couple of guys. Since they were with someone I decided not to act, but believe it or not after they started to leave one of the girls returned into the bar and walked up to me. She started talking to me in perfect English and asked for my number. Apparently one of the guys was her cousin, while the other was a visiting Gringo friend. She told me she lived in the US for awhile, as well as Spain, and Italy. In general watch out if the girl tells you she has traveled to Spain or Italy, especially Spain!

Other great places to meet girls are stores in shopping malls and restaurants. Just keep going back if you see someone that interests you. If you make eye contact, are friendly, and smile....eventually they warm up.

But I do speak sufficient Portuguese to start and hold a conversation. The biggest obstacle to the typical Gringo is most definitely the language.

For me if the girl speaks English it is actually somewhat of a turn-off. I like the simple girls, not the university girl types, or those that have traveled to visit the gringo boyfriends in Europe.

If you want to find that 'Ipanema girl' be prepared to work for it - you know those incredible hard bodies with long blond hair.... These girls are not any easier to meet or approach then in the US. They are quite challenging (fun!!!).

With me staying in Brazil for an average of 6 months a year, I just started losing interest in working girls. I most definitely never had any interest whatsoever to start a relationship with one.... non-working girls just have a bigger appeal to me. Don't get me wrong, however, as I still mix in some occassional professional services here and there as well.

I actually found one more good way to meet regular girls - dating websites. So far I scored 3 out 5 that I have met. Of the two that I missed, one was a dog and the other went to school and worked like crazy making time together very difficult.

Now, I mixed in all this activity with a regular girlfriend (ok, at times 2 or 3) which has led to many adventures and some violence directed at me...enough to write a book!

My girlfriend was always jealous of the fact that I learned how to speak Portuguese - With a good reason :-)

Anyway, keep your eyes open anywhere you go. Be friendly, smile, and make eye contact. Leave your shyness at home.

Forgot mention, I think Nuth is good as well.. but mostly Thursday through Saturday.

Baronetti is pretty good..
In Ipanema...around the corner from the restaurant, Pax..which also serves pretty good food

The only problem with Baronetti is that is so freakin packed at times.... I like to look around , make eye contact, smile, until I find someone that is interested and "bites". It is hard to do when you are packed in like Sardines! Plus - if you are a single guy, or multiple guys, you might have to wait quite a bit of time. In that case try to talk to a girl outside and go in with her.... the more girls that are with you, the easier it is to get in! Multiple girls get preference, followed by couples, then single guys - during peak times, even Melt has a "guys line". Frustrating as hell!

All the clubs I posted previously do not do this!

I have had much success meeting non working girls thru Brazil's Yahoo Personal's website, Encontros. I have met many nice ladies with the help of Encontros and I'm currently involved with TWO ladies. Of course, they do not know of my friendliness ways. I just posted a personal ad w/a photo, paid for a three months membership (you need a subscription to read your responses and for the ladies to read yours since most of them just set up a personal ad which is free) and watched my mailbox fill up every week. I received responses and pictures from some real Brazilian hotties (photos to prove it). But like a dummy, I messed up any chance of getting with them on a serious level. If interested in what I did wrong or any questions about using this service, let me know.

Other wise, I'm happy with the ladies I'm involved with. One of them is very attractive but a bit spoiled and doesn't speak much english. The other is attractive but a little heavy set with nice legs (I hate when women have THICK ankles, yuck!!). She reminds me of a young Vanessa Del Rio. The plus is she speaks good english, writes it on MSN messenger even better.

Well anyway, if any questions, just PM. Happy hunting!!

C20

The key to Baronetti is to slip the bouncer a tip...I tipped like R$30 once and the dude had me set up at a table with a bottle of vodka...any time I wanted to walk across the room he would walk in front of me and push other dudes out of the way when it is crowded - nice when you hit the restroom.

The best place to pick up non-pro's is Buzios on a busy weekend. All of the women partying there have money (and are probably educated to the point where they speak some English). If you can't quite get it out in Portuguese it helps plus the gringo+garota=program stigma is lessened because all of the garotas are assumed to be wealthy. The biggest problem with picking up women in Rio is the gringo/programa factor...

LM-I have not been to Nuth in 3 years but back in the day the line was brutal and you needed to have a club membership or a reservation of sorts.

Why would you guys want non-working girls??

Unless, you have light blonde hair and dazzling blue eyes most of these girls are just going to view you as a sex tourist.

I've had garotas and friends of garotas take me to all the known clubs (Bombar, Bunker, Oi Noite Carioca, Ilha dos Pescadores, Via Show, Nuth, Baronetti's, Six, Hard Rock, etc.) The garotas were termas girls and guess who I thought were the hotter girls in the crowd of those places?.....yep, other termas or GDP garotas. In every occasion, when I was checking out another girl my garota companion asked if I liked the girl I was looking at -- because the "girl did or does work at another termas" she said. They all knew each other in other words.

With Via Show, I went with 5 GDP and checked out 100's of girls and preferred being with the girls I was with over other girls I saw. There may have been a handful of cuties, but they clearly looked like they were 16/17 so I was not too keen on wanting that anyway.

Oi Noite Carioca and Ilha dos Pescadors I thought most of the non-working girls were rather plain looking and not at all "hot", again preferring the girl I was with over anything there. You know it takes money to hit the salon and have free time to tan/hit the gym.

Go out to a website called:
http://www.originalclub.com.br/

I was perusing the site with 2 termas garotas, and they knew most of the girls in the photos. At one time or another, most worked as GDP or termas girl.

Anyway, not to deflate your ego but if you are "picking up" the so-called "non-working" girls then there is very good chance the girl is actually picking you up. The ole of saying of free-sex is more expensive than paid-sex is certainly applicable with brasilian girls.

I've talked with a quite a few of these GDP's who love hitting the "non-working" clubs. They love dancing, partying and having a good time. One Centaurus garota told me she met some American guy at Hard Rock who spent a fortunate on her just to "court" her. He hadn't a clue he could fucked her for a fraction of what he did to wine and dine her into bed.

Quite a few termas garotas posed for Playboy and Sexy, so I don't know what more you are looking for in terms of looks. And if you are looking for a stable long-term relationship with a Brasilian garota, I doubt you are going to find her at a club.

Oh and you thinking of maybe a brasilian site like "Orkut". Yep, same thing goes there. The same termas girl, who is hitting the "non-working" clubs is also hitting Orkut personals and Yahoo personals too. Garotas are never without gullible suitors and they can never have enough angles to find a good sugar daddy.

"Non-working girls" -- you guys make me laugh.

So I guess what you are saying, is that guys with blonde hair and blue eyes couldnt possibly be viewed as sex tourists? (News flash: You could have black hair and heart stopping brown eyes and still pull regular girls. HAHAHHAHAHA!)

I dont know about other mongers on this board but I have been lucky enough to meet what I consider, very hot non-working girls. Only reason why I didnt pursue it, was because I prefered the ease of fucking and dismissing working girls.

I'm with you Thumper. When I'm only down there for 7-10 days at a time, I want a working girl. There's just not enough time to go through romancing a "regular" girl. Now if I lived down there, I would probably start pursuing non-working girls (of course intermingled with a few pros).

Thumper, I don't know you but I can see you've been to Rio a lot. My comment is that blonde hair/blue eyes is like a rare commodity so girls might fuck you for free just for the privelege. Some even have the crazy notion that they might have a baby with blue eyes.
Otherwise, those who think they are great looking men and/or real "playas" have the garotas playing their egos.
Actually, I do have dark hair/eyes and it plays against me in the termas. For example, I had garotas tell me they did not want to approach me because they thought I was Brasilian (i.e. just there for free groping). On the otherhand, these same garotas don't feel embarassed taking me out because I do look brasilian.

My point on this matter is there is no reason to want to pull non-working girls. If the girl knows you are an American (or tourist), trust me in that she is working YOU.

There are lots of cool, hip, good-looking, styling brasilian men of different color/race/etc. to fancy a brasiliera. The only thing different about you is the money (or promise of money in the future). There is true-love in Brasil, there are girls havign familiies in Brasil, etc, etc. The only reason she would want to be with you is because she is lazy and doesn't want to work, therefore for liking you.

Actually, it was my experience that the best girls in Rio were the married or boyfriend GDP to Americans. Yep....rings, tatoos, the whole 9-yards. They were already being taken care of but just wanted to have fun. They didn't need the money, but at the same time did not want to "cheat" on their boyfriends/husbands with a Brasilian. Their philosophy was it was just meaningless sex with tourist who would be leaving.

These would be your "non-working", off-the-program girls who had a suitor that formerly worked but now just needs a good fuck every now and then because their stupid boyfriend/husband to be only comes around every 2-3 months for 7-10 days. I love these girls because their apartments are nice, they have access to various party drugs, and have other friends in similiar situations.

Your points are right on with wasting time and money pulling non-gdp's. I have spent big amounts of money in RJ bars and clubs, at the expensive ones, you pay true USA prices. However, it would be a mistake to think that most of the hot gatas in places like, Melt, Nuth, or Baronetti are or have programmed to some extent. Most of the gata's hanging out in the expensive clubs are there on daddy's nickel, and you'd be fooling yourself if you did not recognize that in Ipanema, Leblon, and Barra there is a large population of 18-25 year old girls that could care less about how much $$$ some American might have because chances are their Daddy has more cash on hand than five of us gringoes combined. Those would be the same girls you see sitting around Posto 9 every day in the same spot in their new designer bikini smoking joints with their whole social circle of girlfriends and long haired "Playboy" guy friends. Those girls are tough to crack...until they get to Buzios (their version of Tahoe/Hamptons)...sort of a Vegas type set of rules apply there...and when these Gatas do get to be 27 years old (lets not forget, these are well cared for and manicured girls) they start to lose their gringo inhibitions because they would like to replace daddy's ATM card with someone else's. I always advocate (maybe I ought to keep my mouth shut) that kickin' it with the rich girls in Ipanema or Buzios is the way to go for non-gdp's - chances are if you are a rich man in Brazil your breeding stock is top notch.

On a side note, when at an expensive club, if you are wondering if your gal is a gdp or is there on daddy's nickel, I always check the teeth. A gdp's teeth will be fucked up (maybe she'll have orthodontia but kind of odd because she is 23) but a gata with a rich dad has a perfect smile because she had her braces taken off when she was 12...my only complaint about the hot Termas girl, most of them have some imperfection in their choppers.

So I kinda got to rambling on the non gdp/wealthy gata subject...hopefully someone finds my info useful...

PS-

It is not the blond hair/blue eyes these girls dig...it is the 25 year old "Playboy" look - well dressed, tan, longish/wavy hair - blond or perhaps colored or highlighted...basically a well dressed beach bum look...typical Carioca Playboy is what these girls find attractive. Most young (caucasian) American men with the resources to travel to Brazil will have short hair and be white...the way you lose the gringo look is to have longer hair, be very tan and in shape - that is the look that will help you lose the standard US issue sign.

"There are lots of cool, hip, good-looking, styling brasilian men of different color/race/etc. to fancy a brasiliera. The only thing different about you is the money (or promise of money in the future). There is true-love in Brasil, there are girls havign familiies in Brasil, etc, etc. The only reason she would want to be with you is because she is lazy and doesn't want to work, therefore for liking you. "

Actually Cinco, you just described every woman on the planet, it has absolutely nothing to do with her being brasilian. If you talked to a woman in the boondocks of Istanbul and told her "Here are two guys, equally attractive, equally nice. However, one guy is rich and the other is poor, Which would you rather date?" (I'll give you one guess which one she would choose.)

Girls will fuck you if you have VALUE. It's the same thing guys do. A hot woman has VALUE to him. A woman who can hold a conversation has VALUE to him.

Sometimes, your value is your money. Sometimes, it's your looks. Sometimes, it's that you're actually a good catch all around. If you have enough VALUE in other areas, they will overlook the money--at least in terms of having sex with you.

It's not rocket science.

DAFS on Google for Fast Seduction and hit the first website that comes up. You can thank me later.

Here's the bottom line: a man makes his own world. That's your birthright and your responsibility as a man. If you can embody the relaxed, confident, happy, outgoing air of a guy who gets everything he wants out of life, you will get a lot more ass than you will if you communicate the bitter, cynical, depressing aura of a man who has FAILED to make his world a great place to be, or who is not totally comfortable in his skin or in his world.

That's true EVERYWHERE. Have the kind of world that a woman wants to be a part of. Be the kind of man that a woman would be proud to call her own. Take responsibility for your world. It doesn't require money, but you might make some as a result. And you will have all kinds of ass. It's all down to you.

Well, these are interesting observations - I do agree with some of them, but disagree with others.

I have met some wonderful, good quality non-working girls. I guess I have a pretty good bullshit detector, but it is not so difficult to sort out those that really like you or like you for other reasons (i.e. the green card or money). If you keep your eyes open, your heart in check, pockets closed, it is all very obvious.... at least to me. One of my favorite lines from Ronald Reagan, "Trust, but verify".

Why go through the trouble? I spend an average of 7-8 months a year in Rio (I have two passports) and quite honestly get tired of the working girls. I guess if you have short time the working girls are best, but I want more... a working girl as a girlfriend is just not something that I would ever pursue!

It is true that working girls roam in all the regular nightclubs, but again it is not really all that difficult to pick them out..... it also helps that I frequent the working places as well and pretty much know most of the more active GDP's. I have seen GDP's from Help and Termas in Melt, Nuth, and other popular places.

Typically, during conversation, the following things pop-up warning signs for me:

1) "Lived in Spain"
2) Visited Germany, stayed in the Frankfurt Main area. This one is actually quite funny for me, since I one time I met a girl that after a discussion and probing admited to having worked in a FKK.
3) Past European boyfriends, especially Italians. This one could be a toss-up, but to stay on the safe side it is a negative point for me :-)
4) Speaks very good English!
5) No job

There are others.... but, those seem to be the main warning signs.

Again, if you are looking for that trophy, young, perfect '10', and you are not Brad Pitt, I would probably question things for a bit and keep your eyes open.

If you get smitten from the start and ignore obvious signs - proceed at your peril!

Those are great indicators...also, "lived in Italy or lived in Switzerland" are good tell tales. If they say they have been to Europe, ask about the US...if they are wealthy enough to travel to Europe for pleasure they are probably wealthy enough to have gotten a US tourism visa...

The No job (or student) answer should be qualified..."no job but I lives in Del Castihlo, Sao Cristovao, or Niteroi" or "I have no job but I am 20 years old and from Manaus, Salvador, Recife, Fortaleza, etc."...or "I'm a model" but she is only 5'2"...

If the she has no job but lives in Leblon and is wearing Dolce & Gabana jeans and an expensive watch...you ought to find out what her father does for a living...

What a joke when some guys think they are such a gift to women.

Think about it using reason: why would a gorgeous young Brazilian girl want to have sex with thirty- and forty-year-old American men who (a) can't speak Portuguese for shit, (b) pinch every penny for what it's worth, (c) are fat and unattractive, (d) drink excessively, (e) smoke like chimneys, (f) etc?

If you aren't fucking beautiful teenage college coeds in the United States, you might as well forget about doing it in Rio. Drop this whole "I am an American therefore I am God's gift to Brazilian women" act. Being American doesn't mean shit in Rio to regular Brazilian girls except that you are a perverted fuck who comes to exploit poor young prostitutes because your shitty $15-an-hour job in the US affords you that ability.

And if you think a little confidence is going to help you with "non-pro" carioca girls, better take a good look in the mirror. Welcome to the most vain city south of the border. If you aren't good looking, don't bother going out unless you enjoy getting rejected over and over again.

Might as well save yourself some humiliation and keep going to termas and getting lied to. Oh wait, you probably fuck those girls for free too huh? That's right, because they really enjoy selling their pussy for money and when they aren't doing that, they love to be fucked for free by YOU. Come on Prince Charming, go ahead and take another look in the mirror before you answer that one.

The problem is that you keep going to termas and having all these girls rub your dick and tell you what a stud you are. Don't forget, you are paying them hundreds of dollars to say these things. All they are doing is inflating your ego for cash because they know that if they do, you're more likely to pay to fuck them.

Examples:
1) "Voce fala portugues muito bem." It's a lie, you couldn't speak a few words to save your life.
2) "Olha que pau grande." It's a lie, your three-inch dick is not really that big.
3) "Voce e muito inteligente." It's a lie, you're dumb enough to get tricked by a hooker with a second grade education.
4) "Gosto muito de voce." It's a lie, you wouldn't have a shot in hell with her if you approached her on the beach, in a mall, etc.
5) "Eu nao quero seu dinheiro." It's a lie, it sure isn't your personality that she likes.

So, once you leave the terma, you leave with this false sense of confidence that you could fuck any Brazilian girl you want. But what really changed in between the time you entered and left the terma? Are you better looking? Are you less fat? Are you smarter? Are you wealthier? No, you are still the exact same person. If you weren't fucking beautiful teenage Brazilian girls before you walked in, you aren't going to fuck them after walking out either no matter how much value you credit yourself with.

Oh and one more thing, having blonde hair and blue eyes won't help you much either if the rest of you is 5'4", 280, and smell like an ashtray. Some guys will just not shut up about Brazilian hookers wanting to have babies with them just because they have blue eyes.

Why waste my time. The same morons who were calling hookers their girlfriends before reading this post will be doing the same afterwards. The same morons who think they can go into clubs and just swoop up beautiful Brazilian girls will be thinking the same afterwards. The same morons who think they are too smart to get ripped off by a hooker will still be wiring money to her account for her "English lessons" afterwards. The same moron who keeps lying to himself will continue doing so long after reading this post.

It's not cynicism or pessimism, it's realistic and reasonable. Don't be stupid.

An illustration for the illiterate:

http://s05.picshome.com/2ec/nonpros.jpg

Somebody piss in your coco-puffs this morning, Hookem? ;) You sound a little frustrated for a young guy--particularly one lucky enough to spend so much time here. You've only got one more month. Fica tranquilo, porra. Smile, it makes everyone more attractive ;)

That was some funny shit.Although a little rough,you hit the nail on the head about these putas.Examples #1 and #2 were funny as shit, but very true,imho.

I too question when guys talk about the non pro hook ups,but I guess it does happen sometimes.Personally I don't mess with the non pro scene.I don't have time to be horsing around like that in Rio, I prefer to do that at home.Calling putas girlfriends is what gets me sometime.I hope thats just a term some guys use and not meant to mean a real GF.

Anyways Hookem, If I were you and in Rio right now, the last thing I would be doing is logging on to a mongering site and talking about what other guys are doing.Point well made, but go enjoy some pro or non pro pussy or the beach.LOL.

Have fun.

The bigger question is why does Hookem care what other guys are doing? Only bitches act like that, be a man and do your own thing. Some guys are so fucking wealthy that they don't give a fuck about sending large sums of money to a garota, it's entertainment to them. They don't care about being in shape or speaking Portuguese because they are rich and get young hot pussy regardless. Women from all countries, all ages are attracted to men who are wealthy so you better start accepting it before your jealousy makes you a miserable bastard and nobody wants to fuck you at all.

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(Message edited by therightway on July 08, 2006)

Did somebody miss their anger management course? As Gibletpie says, fica tranquilo, cara. Yes, most the guys who brag about getting free pussy in Brasil are full of shit, but so what? Sounds like some old fart outbid you and fucked your favorita.

Hookemhorns and Diversity's Rio-The Cold Hard Truth, is an excellent example to all of us regarding the pitfalls of allowing our emotions rather than common sense, cloud our judgment. Certainly our trust is easily given, which makes Gringos easy prey for the seasoned Garota. The presentation is sometimes tough to take

Hookemhorns - Not sure where in this thread I picked up anybody thinking they are "gods gift to women"....

It is certainly true that you have to set realistic expectations based on your own looks and age, but it is possible to meet someone in Rio.

Additionally not everyone of us is "....thirty- and forty-year-old American men who (a) can't speak Portuguese for shit, (b) pinch every penny for what it's worth, (c) are fat and unattractive, (d) drink excessively, (e) smoke like chimneys, (f) etc? "

Is it easy in Rio to pick-up a regular - QUALITY - girl, NO, but it can be done. Again if someone sets their sights on one of the perfect '10' Ipanema beauties, they better have the looks to along with it, or adjust downward in quality to better match ones realistic possibilities.

It does take confidence and persistence! That is really no different then in the US. If you are shy, cannot talk to a woman (yes, here is where the language barrier can come in if you do not speak the language), you will not make it far. A good brazilian woman will not throw herself at any man - brazilian of gringo! You will need to have some balls to approach and be prepared to be shot down.

Dating is really like telemarketing....you will eventually get someone to buy!

The next time you are in a Rio bar, watch the Brazilian men - they will approach 10 women and never give up or get discouraged if they get turned down. Ultimately you will see them make out with some cutie and some point in the night!

BTW, the girl I just got done fucking thinks he sounds bitter, too...

Sorry, just couldn't resist ;)

P.I.M.P.

Ken

BTW, my life is over. If the hooker Ken just got done fucking thinks I sound bitter, well I guess that's it then. I've got nothing left to live for.

Couldn't resist either.

P.I.M.P.

HookEmHorns

Gibletpie,
I think the reason why Hookem can't get any free Brazilian pussy is just beause he's a dick, kind of reminds me of "BOBBYT" on steroids IMHO,lol.
TRW

(Message edited by therightway on July 09, 2006)

(Message edited by hookemhorns on July 09, 2006)

I'm not sure I get the point of Hookemhorns last message.

Hookem - I never said she was a hooker. I didn't pay her, anyway ;)

Laguy - I think he intended to sound sarcastic.

Thank you Hookem, sharp, but no argument with your points. Who says money can't buy you love,
CG

Hookem, I like your points you mentioned:

Examples:
1) "Voce fala portugues muito bem." It's a lie, you couldn't speak a few words to save your life.
2) "Olha que pau grande." It's a lie, your three-inch dick is not really that big.
3) "Voce e muito inteligente." It's a lie, you're dumb enough to get tricked by a hooker with a second grade education.
4) "Gosto muito de voce." It's a lie, you wouldn't have a shot in hell with her if you approached her on the beach, in a mall, etc.
5) "Eu nao quero seu dinheiro." It's a lie, it sure isn't your personality that she likes.

Personally, I've gotten to know a few garotas (mostly termas garotas) outside their scheming ways. When they know you come to Rio frequently and aren't a sucker like most, they confess quite a bit.

Let me comment on them:

#1: One garota's little 4yo nephew who I met speaks terrible portuguese. When asked who speaks better, the garota tells me most definitely the little nephew! It is true, most guys can't speak for shit. Certainly not to hold an intelligent conversation. I think if you understand "Eu quero" from her and then respond "Ta bom", then she will certainly think you speak portuguese wonderfully.

#2: Actually, my dick is bigger than average. Still, every garota has seen bigger no matter how proud you are of the little fella. My garota friend says she like my dick because sometimes it does more of the thinking. She could never logically convince me of her bullshit with a sane mind, but my dick believes every word.

#3: My garota friend has in fact convinced me I am stupid for wanting Help girls. To her point, she told me I could fuck better looking termas girls for the same price just that most of these hate going to Help altogether. Luckily, I have heeded her advice and now I am becoming more intelligent so I am fucking her and her friends. Although, it usually involves first me taking them to some club and paying for the drinks first. When I pay for her friend's drinks but don't get to fuck them, is when she says I am really intelligent.

#4: Actually, she likes the things I bring her and her friends from the States. She tells me I am a "cold person", but she makes an exception because she loves those stupid cremes from Victoria Secrets. She even told me if she saw me in a mall shopping and I would be giving out free V.S. cremes, then she would certainly in fact like me.

#5: My garota friend has said she doesn't want my money. It is really true. However, she always has a shopping list for me back in the US. That Victoria Secrets stuff, perfume, some electronics gadgets, etc. are all easily 3 times more expensive in Rio. She told me don't even bother calling her unless I am prepared to offer these things to her after we have sex. It works out well I think because instead of giving her 200R, I am actually giving her 200R of presents (although I pay less than that).

As you can see, not all garotas lie. Sometimes the truth hurts for those who have a "soft-spot", so consider the ones who lie are actually doing you a favor.

I think the point is that here in Brazil these garotas, in addition to selling sex, are selling a fantasy. The fantasy resonates with American men particularly well, since American women are notorious for slapping down our fantasies and also our realities.

Problems occur when people start thinking that the fantasies are indeed reality. They are not. As Hook Em suggests, one tell tale sign is when American men spend large times in the termas but yet brag about all of their freebies. First off, if you are getting it free, why are you in the termas so much? Second, why brag about it?

Aside from this point, I think the larger issue is financial. We have to still realize that the reason that the fantasy exists is due to MONEY. Some people have moved down here with a little money, and over time the money runs out, and the only thing that remains is the fantasy.

I think this is the travesty to which Hook Em is alluding. It is a sad slide. Americans have a perception of money to Brazilians, particularly if they are running with other Americans. But over time the reality starts taking over, but one clings to the remaining fantasies.

I think that we have all fallen victim to the garota fantasy. The question is a matter of degree. An oft debated topic is the guy that lives in the US but sends a garota a monthly stipend. Obviously, he is victim of the fantasy, but is he worse off than the guy that now lives in Rio and has blown their entire savings account? The source is the same, but the outcomes are very different.

Here's what I think is funny:

A guy will go through lots of effort to learn the most inane shit. Guys will know team stats and sports scores in a variety of games over a great period of time. Guys will put lots of effort into their hobbies--learning an instrument, repairing cars, scripting webpages. Guys will put years into preparing for their careers--college, grad school, med school, law school. They'll put years into learning their business, be it restaurant, hospitality, public service, or what-have-you.

But when it comes to their relationships with women, they expect it all to "just happen."

Why? Because a guy sees a hot woman on the street and he wants to fuck her. And he assumes it works the same way for women.

Girls will sit on the playground and talk. They will talk about boys, they will talk about themselves, they will talk about relationships, they will describe the world to each other, all while the boys are off playing sports. They read Cosmo, they watch soap operas, they gossip, they talk, they run scenarios, they rehearse their relationships, they practice their poise and their walk in front of the mirror. They learn about makeup, and conditioner, and creams and perfumes. And they spend an hour or two in front of the mirror every day teasing and plucking and cleaning and preening.

So that when they walk down the street, some guy will see her and want to fuck her and think "It just happened."

Why don't guys put the same effort into building their social life that they put into building their professional life? Why don't they read, and talk, and think, and work for it? Because they long ago decided that they were either the kind of guy that women did or did not fall for. Because they got used to seeing women date "jerks" and never took the time to figure out what those "jerks" were offering to women. Because they felt comfortable curled up with their excuses and learned to describe the world to themselves in a way that keeps them from risking anything.

Because they think that some magical day, the "right woman" will come along and things will "just happen."

So they never put that work in, and they make themselves the perfect victims for a place like Rio. And certainly, there are plenty of victims here on any given day.

They following is an excerpt from a review of The Red Queen, a book on human evolution and mating strategies by Matt Ridley:

Study after study has shown that women are attracted to personality and status. “Bruce Ellis has
summarized the evidence that personality is critical in men,” Ridley writes. “In a monogamous society a
woman often chooses a mate long before he has had a chance to become a ‘chief,’ and she must look for
clues to his future potential rather than rely only on past achievements. Poise, self assurance, optimism,
efficiency, perserverance, courage, decisiveness, intelligence, ambition—these are the things that cause
men to rise to the top of their professions. And not coincidentally, thee are the things women find
attractive”.
The crucial part of that passage is that women have to make a choice before the man becomes a chief, or
a rock star, or a CEO. This early choice helps you level the playing field with that tycoon we talked about
earlier. If you exhibit the right traits, then women will take a bet on you. They’ll give you the benefit of the
doubt, even though you may not have the corner office just yet. They’re guessing that, based on your
personality, you will some day.


Now, you should be able to determine the relevance of this to your relationships with women. Maybe someone is thinking, "But I already have that corner office!" That doesn't matter. You may not have that corner office forever. What a woman is measuring is those traits that tell her how well you are likely to succeed in adversity. See, a woman can't wait for life to come along and throw you a big test to see what kind of man you are. So, she will test you. And how you react to her is how she assumes you will react when tested by the world at large.

If you are weak with her, she cannot trust you.

I have, thus far, put nearly 2 years of work into my relationships, and it has been WELL worth the effort. BOTH in the U.S. and in Rio. The game is the same all over the world.

I remember the first absolutely gorgeous girlfriend I had down here. Everyone told me she probably thought I was rich. But she always knew I wasn't. She wouldn't let me stay with her in the terma. She didn't want me to spend my money on her. She told me, "Others have to pay, but you don't." Did I buy her dinner? Yes, if KFC counts as dinner. And she bought me breakfast at least as often as I bought her dinner. Financially, it was a null sum.

Then they said, "Well, she probably wants a U.S. Visa." Well, she already had one. She didn't want to live in the U.S. anyway. We had a great relationship and there was no angle in it for her other than my company.

See, people will describe the world to you based on THEIR experience of it. If you want to have a different experience, you need a greater sense of what is possible. You need a wider reference group.

What I have tried to do, in writing this, in providing the link I did above, is to provide a wider reference group. And to help those in need find the tools to change their reality.

If it sounds like "bragging", well, that's your 'reality.' But I have worked for every success I've had in this area.

Alright, I hope someone finds this useful. If not, write me off as a crackpot and live your life however you choose. But their ain't no shame in learning the game.

Happy sarging,
GP

GP, that was a solid piece of writing. Well thought and nicely presented.

Personally, I would have believed more of it if you did not mention your girlfriend was a GDP though. You actually lost a lot of creditbility right there.

Put more simply, women have a much shorter shelf-life...let's say 25, maybe 30. They don't want to work, they want to have children. They can't afford to develop too many 1-2 year relationships, so trust me they have an angle other than "just company". Especially in Brazil, women over 30 can't even get a shopping job. Take a girl who is about 25-26, and her attitude towards men is certainly much different because time is running out on her real quick.

You can analyze, plan, read, study all you want about relationships. Read even Cosmo if you care to, but the fact will always be that women ripen faster with age and they want a child. And yes, it does "just happen". It is biological reaction and timing, that people all over the world do regardless of education, training, etc.
If you are 5'5 and look like an ass, then a woman doesn't want her kid looking like an ass regardless how much you have. 6'5, blond, blue-eyes, alpha-male...cheat on her, well she just might turn the other cheek for that beautiful looking toddler. Oh and that same guy has some money too, where does she stand in line.

LOL, CL I felt the same way when GP brought up the terma GF.No offense but I cringe when guys refer to prostitutes as girlfriends.No such thing IMHO, especially between gringos and GDP's.But to each his own.

Fair enough, and each to his own perceptions, but she was my girlfriend. Of the girls I've been with free of charge, there are 2 I refer to as "girlfriends," one a GDP and one definitely not. She was the easiest to pick because it best illustrated my point. After a hard day at work, she would come home and have sex with me, then more sex in the morning, for 3 months. BTW, do you know how many GDPs have actual, real boyfriends or husbands outside the termas whom they go home to every night? When you're not someone they're trying to scam, they'll tell you it's "better for my heart. Because everything that happens in here is a lie."

Thanks for your comments.

The behavior of prostitutes and strippers is only an exaggerated form of the behaviour of ALL women.

I definitely can feel a sense of pride in the above posts. But my point, was actually slightly different.


Perhaps, a few rhetorical questions might help. (Note: rhetorical means you don't have to answer them.)

1. Are income taxes being paid the US government? In Brazil? If the answer is no, is the "Dream" dependent on not paying taxes?

2. Is health insurance important to you?

3. Is your savings account growing or dwindling?

I could go on, but there are several points here.

1. Sacrifices are being made to "Live the Dream". Some people are less risk adverse than others, but most people find these risks to be unacceptable.

2. The situation is not sustainable. Although one can accumulate many fond memories, frankly I don't see how the situation sustains itself. Be it finances, taxes, health, or immigration, somehow the dream will come to an end.

3. Attractiveness. Clearly, one can bang GDP's and non GDP's for free. But in the long run, most women (GDP or not) are looking for someone to take care of them. Some of these risks that may have been taken fly in the face of that.

I hope this helps someone.

I have been off-line for most of this thread. Thought I'd chime in.

I have made out with three very attractive non-pro's in Rio (not enough time nor wanted to spend the next few days trying to get all the way).

In Buzios I have had sex with two non pro's and a non-pro Argentinian from Cordoba.

The last few trips I have not had enough time to chase non-pro's, but I want to spend more time on the next trip.

My ratio of programs to free-bee's is probably around 30:1. I have probably bat about .100 on nights I have gone to bars/clubs. I specifically prefer the sexual pleasure of a termas session to drunk sex with a non-pro (or hungover sex the next morning for that matter).

My point is this, a change of pace is always fun. Reality is, unless you are in shape, beautifully handsome, reasonably young and speak fluent Portuguese, you'll never be pulling non-pro's nightly in Brazil. If you are younger, good looking, in shape, can speak decent Portuguese, have a nice personality that can bridge the language gap, it can be fun to roll the dice and chase women in foreign countries, especially places like Rio.

So I say to Hookem' Horns, if you are too old to play the pick up game, hopefully you had it good when you were younger...but don't assume that everyone on this board is in your same boat on this board.

the last sentence was meant to say "...but don't assume that everyone on this board is in your same boat."

That does it!! This weekend I am going to dye my hair blonde and go purchase a pair of blue contacts!! Then maybe, just maybe, I will have a chance a getting a regular girl in Brasil.

Thumper,

DON'T DO IT!!! JUST SAW TWO BLONDE BLUE EYES DUDES WITH A HELP GPD.

Cb,I think Hookem is younger than you think based on some of the responses.Your right a good personality,lang skills,age, fitness, etc can all make a difference when seeking a non pro.If you really wanna find a non pro and are willing to try you can get one.You might not be batting 1000 every night, but eventually someone will bite.Probably about the same chances you have of hooking up at home if you put in the work.

Personally its not worth the effort.Its bad enough dealing with these GDP's that get attached,I dont need anymore hassles than nessesary.Plus I don't have blonde hair and blue eyes,so why waste my time,LOL.

LOL,
It's Rio, who cares? Just have fun and enjoy the beautiful Brazilian asses. If some guys are old and fat and bang hot young coeds, who cares? If some guys call garotas their girlfriends, who cares? If guys send their "namorandas" money, who cares? It's just good clean fun, why hate? When I retire I hope I have acquired enough wealth to send 10 garotas a stipend every month and enjoy the entertainment that comes with it, the lies, the stories to get more money from me, I find that stuff hilarious. Would I care if some young kid is jealous because I have 10 bundas on my payroll? No, when people talk about you it's because they are JEALOUS and have nothing better to do with their time.
My good friend Gibletpie isn't bragging when he says he has a girlfriend, he's just happy, can he live? Everybody here fucks the same girls from termas, Help, agencies etc what's wrong with a guy having some private stock that he keeps to himself, he's a diversified hombre. I just can't wait to get to Rio so I can bang the shit out of his girlfriend and tell him while drinking a mojito at Alcazar. That's what being in this hobby is all about , making new friends and making memories that last forever.

TRW -- LOL! Friends like you are the reason I keep a "decoy girlfriend!" You have to be slick to keep anything to yourself around here.

Oh, by the way, your favorita says she'll give you a call soon. She'll be moanin' and groanin' and asking you to talk dirty. And when you ask, "Are you touching yourself?" She'll say, "No, Gibletpie is!" ;)

ROFLMAO,
LOL@ my favorita, my favorita is the next Brazilian bunda that shits on me. She told you about that phone call? LMAO, she's dead! By the way I have 3 decoy "girlfriends" and you fell for the bait each time.

You guys, you're not the first MBL has played out that way...

TRW -- What, are you kidding me?!?! Did you actually make a call like that or something? Man, I was just trying to guess what kind of perverted shit you might be thinking of up there in the US, crying, without a Feijoada bunda within thousands of miles... ;)

Copabrasil1 -- Ahhhh, you caught me! I just can't resist MBL's...ahhhhh....well, there's her..........I mean she's got...........fuck, my head is hurting. I'm sure she must have something--besides Jag's money... ;)

MBL? Personality! Isn't that what all ugly girls have?

Gibletpie,
With my international calling plan, I get the best AUTHENTIC Brazilian phone sex for pennies on the dollar. I just love the way "P" your fiance screams "OOOh FOOKA ME, I LIIIKEY". I'm not even going to get into her shoving the phone in her pussy that's private.
TRW

Pennies on the dollar? LOL. Wait til you get down here and "I" gives you the bill for every pop you've had over the phone. She tells me if you get off, it's still a program.

And since when is "P" my fiance? Shit, she's about 3 girls old right now... You're havin' trouble keepin' up, son! ;)

Peace,
GP

This is what happens when white people hang around with black people:
Gibletpie quote - "You're havin' trouble keepin' up, son!"
Don't call me son,dawg,partna,homie,ya boy, ya nigga,ya dude etc. I realize the Terma girls are enamored with the sexual prowess of African American males but you are hopelessly pale and have freckles.
With your shameless promotion, poor "I" has seen more black males then the million man march and I will seek reparations from Don and your favoritas vaginas.

LOL!!!

Actually, I wasn't using "son" to try to sound "Def" or "Phat" or "Hype" or "Dope." ;) It was based on age differences, rather than cultural ones. You should know me better than that, Grape Ape!

It's like that joke where the young bull and the old bull are standing at the top of a hill looking down on all the cows and the young bull says, "Hey, let's run down the hill and fuck one of those cows!" And the old bull says, "Why don't we walk down and fuck all of them?" ;)

Unless the old bull is SweetMesquite, then he says, "Why don't we amble down and take an nap?"

And if you can plow 40 acres worth of pussy, you're welcome to it ;)

How the fuck did MBL wind up in this thread?

Jag

Jag,

I think it was pennies for the programs.

:o)

Same way she wound up in your bed, Jag...easy target ;)

Couldn't resist(again, same way she wound up in...ahhhh, fuck it)

Look forward to seein' ya soon,
Ken

Gentlemen,

What’s going on here? References to MBL are showing up all over this board. Christ, I just started reading threads on “Photo Rating System” and look at what I found.

Mongerx:
Just an aside, I just spent time looking at recent Brazil and picks from a couple of years ago.

What the hell is happening in Brazil? 2+ years ago, there were all kinds of hot sexy beautiful girls having there pics posted on CH. These days, outside of a very few exceptions, it's almost exclusively mediocre to friggin' scary pics come up under Brazil. Lots of really huge, old, and skanky bad (not skanky good) picks showing up.

Has the talent dropped, or have the hotties become un photo friendly?

Branquinho:

Mongerx, You shouldn't say such mean things about Jag's true loves.

For the record, MBL’s a lovely woman who’s totally subservient to me. In other words, I’m in complete control at all times. Unfortunately, she’s fallen on hard times lately and I’ve been supplementing her meager earnings by sending her weekly Cash-O-Grams via Western Union. No doubt she will pay me back, so I consider it a reasonable investment in her future. I would love to help her more, but my Nigerian friends insist that I send them money first. Boy, those guys have an insatiable appetite for money. I can’t wait till I get my 40% cut.

Jag

I agree with Jag,
MBL is a fine woman and an anomaly in Brazil, she is the only morena with no bunda in the whole country. Reminds me of that rare lobster caught yesterday in Maine. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715/ap_on_fe_st/rare_lobster_5

What I love is that the kid who works in our office only knows Jag as "Mister Bubble Lips." If you call him by name, he doesn't understand. That and the time he said, "I don't understand. He is good looking man. Why he fuck such ugly women?" THAT was a classic ;)

I think the kid should be adopted by Jag & MBL, now THAT would be a perfect family.........

Gibletpie,

You have to admit it, MBL is far better looking than that photo I posted of Miss September. There's no comparison!!

What troubles me most is the fact that Miss September got 5 votes. Who were they?

Jag

I just saw Miss September and I am scared to fucking death, she looks like Dikembe Mutombo with huge breasts. Jag your my friend and I like you but between Silverback & Miss September you have a serious mental disorder called IFUBB.
Giblet my fine freckled friend please explain to Jag what IFUBB stands for.

Jag, you did destroy the negatives of Miss September didn't you...it's the only chance that most of us won't gouge our eyes out!

If Jag keeps up this gay crap I think I have a few pictures of him and Miss September that I could probably post. Not that I would do that to you Jag, or would I? Felix

Ooooooooo Felix,
It's about time you show up and defend yourself. If you really have those photos don't post them Jag might leqave the board forever, may I suggest you blackmail him into doing your bidding instead. Feel free to send me the Miss Sept/Jag honeymoon pictures via e-mail, priceless.

I just wanted to comment on the earlier comments
of hookemhorns.Some of the shit he's saying is definately true.I mad the mistake of having a girl from help as my girlfriend and it was a complete nightmare.Most of em are fuckin lazy and will never do anything with there lives except fuck for a living and do drugs even if you do get them to the united states.Thank god I got rid of her before that happened.If you want a brazilian girlfriend you cannot have a puta as your girlfriend.You have no choice but to try to hook
up with regular chicks.It's worth the try because if you do get a normal non working chick
she will for sure be better looking than any american chick you will ever get.I have fucked 3 girls from solarium for free so it can be done.But after you fuck em,It doesnt seem like you accomplished anything because there such whores.Maybe you saved some money but it doesn't
boost your confidence at all.When you live here as long as I have you realize what whores they are and it makes you want a regular girl who doesn't fuck all day and that you can trust.And honestly who wants a girl who has fucked so many guys and is all used up at 21 years old.When your at the termas you are there to fuck em and leave em.If they want to fuck for free then fine
but don't get involved.Life is hard enough with your own problems and then you have deal with some putas emotional problems.My advice is to fuck the whores and at the same time try to find a non-pro chick who doesn't have excess baggage.
trust me.

I also got a freebie from Solarium...I don't count that as non-pro action...non-pro action would be sex with a non gdp (obviously for free)...the best part about the whole thing was she got pissed the next day when I showed up and had a dupla with two of her friends...she would not talk to me...I think her reaction when I returned from the cabine was more memorable than the sex...

Regular girls can be had if you live there and don't live in Copacabana.

The problem is that so many Americans go to Rio to get laid and all of the locals know it.

But if you live in Barra or somewhere outside of town and you meet locals at a club, you speak decent Portuguese, and they are reasonably certain that you are going to be there for awhile, they can be had!

But don't expect them to know how to fuck as much as a whore. They move nicely, they are even a little passionate, but lack of experience shows.

Its been many years, but as I recall it, the performance was not nearly as good as a Terma chick!

(Message edited by sniper on July 19, 2006)

Sniper,
I agree I had a non pro who was 19 but she didn't have 1/3 of the moves a Terma girl has. I told her I wanted to fuck her in the ass and she was shocked,lol. I think people are taking this mongering lifestyle too seriously, we go to Rio to live out our fantasies. Some guys like the girlfriend fantasy, who are we to tell them they are wrong? Quite frankly it's none of our business what any man does with any girl including GDP's. I do whatever makes me happy and if I decide to give a gdp 400 reals for the night or call her my namoranda or buy her gifts it doesn't mean a damn thing except that I wanted to do it.

(Message edited by therightway on July 19, 2006)

I enjoy the non-pro action in Rio. The fundamental difference is that there are a lot more highly attractive women available in Rio than there are in the States. I won't say it's easy to get them but it's certainly easier. I'm rarely successful but it's a sport for me and it fills the down time. After a termas run in late afternoon, I find myself bored. Hanging out at the Terraco in front of Help is cool bullshitting with the boys but it does get old. So I go a-hunting and if all else fails, which it usually does, there is always the fail-safe of Help.
A week of vacation is too short to bother with the non-pros but if you have a month or more of vacation time with a semblance of portuguese fluency it can be a lot of fun.

Since my last writing, hooked up with two more regular girls. One cut my hair, the other I met in the airport who has a very good job with a major bank, plus is educated. Just in the process of getting introduced to another professional - an attorney - via a Brazilian friend. Each time I played it cool and respectful. Make sure to pass the "kiss test", which will usually come from the girl the first night. If you flunk, you are out :-) Fortunately I have had a lot of practice...hehe! The girl that cut my hair told me straight out that kissing is important to her and if the guy does not do well - regardless of how good looking he is - he is out! She was a wild one in bed to say the least!! She got a particular kick out of kissing me after I went down on her, she liked the smell!!

Meeting someone in Rio is not all that difficult, but does require some self-confidence. The girl do not jump all over gringo's like most people believe, unless they are GDP's. Also do not automatically assume all want to leave Brazil, the opposite is often true. Smiling, being friendly, and - persistent - certainly helps.

I also made a trip to Belo Horizonte (my second). Talk about a place to meet girls! The ratio of girls to guys is high, the girls friendly and very beautiful. Not so much of a GDP environment so the girls do not have their defenses up. Gorgeous girls with average looking guys seemed to be the norm.....very enouraging environment.

But...as mentioned many times in this thread, speaking some Portuguese is a must. So, start studying! Plus - self-confidence is a must! Brazilian girls like the man to be the agressor. I do disagree with the statement that Rio girls look negatively at Gringo's - that all are only in Rio to get layed. It all depends on where you look!

Try the non-pro route, who knows! I have had some incredibly wonderful experiences. My problem is that there are so many wonderful Brazilian women that it is hard to settle down with just one!

SO, being blond haired and blue eyed, and in excellent shape, I could possibly become Mayor of Belo Horizonte? Not to mention unlimited dates.........

I would say 'yes'

(Message edited by lovingmarvin on September 22, 2006)

Guys, I am new to the site and have only one trip to Rio. If possible, any updates. I have only been around Costa Rica, Panama, Ecuador, and a little Colombia. Thanks for the info here. I will add more myself when I get the experiences.

Tomlatin-
Not sure what you want an update on. If the question is "where do the non-pros hang out and are the obtainable? then the info above is still useful. Go to virtually any club in Rio other than Help and the boites in the Leme area and they're full of single women. But unless you speak Portuguese you can count on a chilly reception. If you have one trip to Rio, don't waste your time trying to cultivate non-pros. Go to the termas, call the escort agencies, and--what the hell--give Help a spin.