This is the discussion for Porto Allegre, one of the most southern city in Brazil. Did I say I love loiras?

Does anyone know if any airline fly directly to POA either from SP or Rio? All I am seeing so far is stop in Curitiba or Florianapolis.

There is a non-stop Varig flight from Rio (GIG airport) to the Porto Alegre (POA airport).

Try using this code on Travelocity, and you will see a lot of flights pop up.

You can fly in and out of Porto Alegre on TAM, GOL, or Varig.

There are also non-stop flight from Buenos Aires (EZE airport) to Porto Alegre (POA airport). The 6:30 AM Varig flight from EZE to GIG makes one stop in Porto Alegre.

Aerolinas Argentinas also has non-stop flights from Buenos Aires to POA. There are also many flights from POA to GRU (Grueles Internation in Sao Paulo), or to CGH (Congohas in Sao Paulo).

This is probably more information then you ever wanted to know so I will stop now.

Good Luck.

Athos:

First, have you called BACC yet? 1-800-BACC-RIO. IMHO, they are the best travel agents in the States for anything in Brazil.

CP is correct about the airlines going to POA. There are non-stops from both GRU (Garulhos - Sampa) and CGH, as well as GIG (Rio).. I dont' think there are any flights into SDU (Santos Dumont,Rio).

As I've mentioned before, your best bet is probably to get a LAX-POA ticket. You'll change planes in GRU and get a direct to POA (Varig makes sure to synchronize their international and doestic schedules... although I once had all of 5 minutes to run from my JFK-GRU flight to my POA flight). It'll be much cheaper than buying a domestic flight in Brazil, and you can always include a "stopover" in Sao Paulo. Then do the other cities as hops out of Sao Paulo (yes, I know that Curitiba is on the way to Porto Alegre, still it's probably cheaper to fly back to Soa Paulo before going to Curitiba). Call BACC, they'll work out the cheapest way.

BS

I just purchased at LAX / EZE / GIG / LAX ticket on Varig for $757 including tax. You could probably get a LAX / POA / GIG or GRU / LAX ticket for a little less. Check the Varig web site for their Internet specials.

CP

OK I'll call the BACC num when i am ready. I have Rio/Sampa/Curitiba/POA on my mind and air pass looks expensive or at least not cheaper than buying single ticket.

How much are all nighters with a pro and semi-pro
in Porto Alegre?

Dracul
POA can be very expensive from what I have heard. Gruta Azul is as expensive as W in Sao Paulo. If you got games, some of the most beautiful blondes from Brazil hail from POA.

Porto Alegre is a beautiful city, land of gauchos. Is it worth the extra travel to hobby. I liked it better than Curitiba despite lesser options, the city is really beautiful, women real pretty but not plentiful. I'd say resounding yes if you are on business, I say yes for hobbying only if you are into gauchas. Otherwise couple of notches below Sampa and Rio.
I was disappointed in Carmen lineup, plentiful and good attitude despite a bit pro. Expect 6.0 to 7.0 range. Gruta Azul on the other hand did not have any ugly ones, very good selection on par with Sampa Cafe Photo, Connection, Bomboa. But unfortunately very hardcore despite youth. I still liked the place. What saved POA for me was escort agency GoldenAmanda, you get a beautiful coed to knock at your door for 150R, now this is night and day with Curitiba escort scene, I got to open the door to couple of stunners, well I love coeds, ymmv. Web site Laseducion comes also recommended and wygwys but faces are not shown either. Amanda will do her best to provide best talent. Tell her you need beautiful face, under 22, no silicon, no kid. She tries to accomodate. I liked her. POA is active during the week, but you can call Amanda as she has 40 girls in her lineup, if you can count only on 1/3 being attractive that's still plenty to choose from.
Like Curitiba, expect to fork 300R for boates girl with entrance and bar fine. Gruta Azul garotas will even quote R$500, unheard of but will accept R$200 for short time.
Never made it to Swing, other worthy boate. Forget about the rest like madrigal.
Like Curitiba, lots of taxi rides...and dishonest taxi drivers near boates.
Like Curitiba, go there if you have extra time and need a break from Sampa/Rio circuit.

I forgot other happy hour option is Karadanche. Go there only if they have their monthly festa. Otherwise skip as some garotas reminded me of TJ.

Athos:

Glad you managed to enjoy POA, I'm amazed that you thought the city itself was so beautiful. most gauchos go to Rio to see a beautiful city... but, as a 1/2 gaucho, I'll say thanks for the compliment! And I'm also really happy that Amanda came through for you

In all the emailing we did back and forth, I totally forgot to mention my favorite hangout and semi-pro pickup spot - Dado Bier Pub on Rua Carlos Gomes, Number 80 - in Moinhos neighborhood. Well, next time you know...

BS

What's Porto Alegre like in terms of cute non-pros to pick up? Are they friendly, or cold as per south brazil reputation?

The program scene sounds like it sucks...but that's probably cuz they go to Sao Paulo to do it anonymously away from friends back home. Golden Amanda sounds like it has potential...maybe a festa with friends + 6-7 of the co-eds may be a better way to peruse the merchandise.

i've actually gone scientific in my quest for brazilian bunda, and did in-depth research comparing male-female ratio levels at all the major cities in brazil. Porto Alegre came out favorably, with an excess of 110,000 more chicks than guys.

I was there last month, I got cold vibes at the mall unlike Rio Sul in Rio. What disappointed me was lack of quantity, while in rio it takes 2 min to look at pretty girls, in POA it can take as long as 20 min to find a pretty girl.
The program scene does not suck but is not up to par with SP and Rio. Golden Amanda is best option in POA, LaSeducion is OK too. Night time is Carmen and Gruta Azul. Carmen is nicely run but selection was OK in the 7.0 range, Gruta Azul had better selection but attitude was a bit more pro, 7.5 to 8.0 in looks, no ugly one.
The gaucha looks totally different from a carioca. Gaucha is dark blonde with honey eyes, Italian and German flavors.
All the girls at W in SP are from POA.
I expected to see some blondes with blue and green eyes, was surprised to see only dark blondes with honey eyes. Blondes are also all dyed like in SP and Rio. You see more green eyes in SP.

Athos,

Expect more blondes at Floripa...which is its reputation. scientific bunda study reveals only 10,000 more girls than guys in a population of roughly 340k however.

Too bad about lack of quantity and cold vibes...i enjoy getting attention from non-pros, and sometimes even count how many interested looks i get. in rio it is high, in SP it depends on the day...in belo it was not very high except at a few of the clubs...in recife is was very low or maybe nil...in brasilia is was high...so i can't figure it out. maybe i was having a bad hair day..hah...or i'm getting old and they are starting to notice bags under my eyes. i don't know...i still don't know which city is my "money city", but certainly SP has such a mass of people, i do okay.

yeah, lots of W girls from Porto A. but not all are that great looking. golden amanda sounds pretty good, and i like their web site. do they have a book showing faces you can take a look at in their offices?

Bomboa
No the book at goldenamanda shows basically same pictures as web site with very few faces shots. But Amanda is really great. Just tell her exactly what you need and she will try her best to accomodate. She even said no to one girl I mentioned as she knew face was an issue with me. My experience was non hardcore garotas, coeds, willing to please. I was extremely pleased with service, girl arrives on time, apologizes for being 5 min late, well dressed, educated, polite and great fuck.

I thought the quality in POA was pretty high. It's an eye-of-the-beholder type of thing, I suppose. I got a 9 in Karandache for 100r. I thought there was very good quality in Carmens. Gruta Azul, because I went on a Monday night, was pretty dead. The non-pro action was pretty good for me. I went to a club(club de saudade) in Cidade Baixa for an older crowd(30+ easy) and after dancing with a well-built blond for a couple of hours she asked me if I wanted to go to a motel. Sure, why not? The women are very friendly here. All you have to do is make the approach.
If you want to see non-pro knockouts during the day, just take a walk in the downtown area just east of the Mercado Publico. It is teeming with lookers. I was very impressed.

StayAway:

Volunta?!?...teaming with HOOKERS you mean - of the worst kind - avoid at all costs!

But thanks for the kind words about POA, after Athos and Bomboa dissed it.... hehehe, actually to a large extent they're right, all the best pro grils move to Sao Paulo pronto, as there's more money to be made. As for non-=pros, I agree with you ,there are plenty to be had, but I think you have to be a bit more "Brazilian" to make it, after all in Rio the gringos are a relative rarity and have relatively god amounts of money. In Poa, everyone is european-looking and the people are generally beteer-off financially, so a lot fo the "attractiveness" fo the gringo is gone. Although I'll also admit that the gauchas are "colder" than the carioas and harder to "crack." So it's a mixed bag..


A tip for all you guys looking for non-pro college girls, go to Sao Leopoldo, a suburb of Porto Alegre, about 30 km north on BR116 at night on a Thursday, Friday, or Saturday. It's a college town, so the main street is full of college bars with all the little blondes you can handle. (It's also where they make Taurus handguns - S&W knockoffs - so be careful). It's my main "hunting ground" when I'm in POA, at least it used to be before I got married...and I have family in Sao Leo, so I have to be careful - but you don't, just don't mess with my cousins!.

Enjoy!

BS

gauchas being harder to crack sounds like it's crossed of my list for the great non-pro pussy hunt of 2003. that's too bad, as i've found POA girls pretty cute when i am in the mood for the aryan looking pussy (to put it bluntly). after emerging from lock-down aka long-term relationship i think i have lost all game with girls. i need to stack the odds in my favor as much as possible.

Badseed,
I guess my compass is off. I should have said walk south of Mercado Publico and check out all the girls in the shopping area of centro around Rua Dos Andradas.
Yeah, those gals along Voluntaria do look nasty. I did a little walk through during the day and drive through at night and no sirree not for me.

Pois eh.... Rua da Praia (Andradas) does have some nice eye candy, right up the hill from the Mercado. Also, at night, just hop around the bars in the Moinhos neighborhood, you'r ebound to turn up something nice - but again, if you don't have game and some portuguese, forget it.

As for Volunta, I hit it ONCE (and only once) - I was low on money, high on libido (and stupidity) and said what the hell... found one that was decent-looking (in the midst of all the skanks) and didn't give up when she siad that she could NOT go to a motel with me, only on-site. So I went up to the "rooms" that the girls work out of (all those doors along Volunta lead up to little flea-bag fuckhouses). Chreeeeest, it was so grim, but so fucking disgusting, I didn't even want to sit on the bed. Basically a lot of crumbling little rooms divvyed up even further with plywood partitions into these tiny little cubicles with beds, pail of water in the corner, roaches running around, girl puts a big sheet of brown paper on the bed and starts cleaning her cunt with a wad of toilet paper, a stench of sweat and sewage.... I gave the girl a "tip" and just walked out, forget it! Never again, Volunta is everything you dread and worse...

BS

hmmm....the more i check out golden amanda, the greater the urge to try out porto alegre. that ninfeta section is really calling me...bomboa..bomboa...goza dentro de mim. heh heh

how long do the golden amanda girls stay for, and how much would they charge for a noite toda? i am thinking festinha with a few buddies and 5-6 golden amanda ninfetas.

i may have to make a run all the way down there, even though i am busily researching relatively untalked about cities along the coast of brazil.

badseed, if you had to pick a city in brazil with relatively decent amenities, cheaper real estate, great plentiful friendly non-pros, good hooker scene, etc...which would it be?

Fortaleza, BUT.....


Fortaleza, is one of those very big small towns. There are 3 million some odd people in Fortal, they're big enough to support 2 major football teams (my favorite indicator of city importance), the city has neighborhoods, suburbs, regions, etc, etc, but it's no Rio or even Porto Alegre. Outside of chasing skirts (not a bad lifetime pursuit), there's very little to DO in Fortaleza... the beaches, the malls, go to the movies, see your friends, get out of town on the weekends. Although the city is big, everyone knows everyone within their social circle (ie. it's made of of little virtual "villages" that it's hard to escpae out of). I met several Americans who have retired to Fortaleza and many, many southern Brazilians. All had local girlfriends, no problem. They seem pretty happy. Myself, I'd go stir-crazy, and I met a few "expats" (expats from the south, that is) who are going crazy there - there's nothing to DO. So it depends a LOT on you, and what makes you tick (and how much $$$ you have to set up your expat life). Of course, for an entrepeneurial soul like me, there are ZILLIONS of opportunities, so that may keep you busy if you like that sort of thing.

Personally, ME, my life, my preferences, my knowledge of Brazil and portuguese, I'd love to retire and open a B&B or some such in some smaller Brazilian town along the coast - Itacare, maybe Jericoacoara, maybe Praia da Rosa, maybe some other small town in Ceara. I hate big cites, and if I wnat to live in a cultural backwater, I may as well go all the way. Of course, I'd have to import my own talent, or screw fishermen's daughters. ;-) You and your preferences are probably completely different. But I'd be happy to answer any questions, Inbox me if you'd like.

BS

Badseed,

Thanks for your thoughts. I am getting more and more curious about PA and Fortaleza. I know SP very well because I spend a lot of time there, but am beginning to find it too expensive and ugly.

What are your thoughts on Porto Alegre? It sounds like they're a tough group of girls to crack down there, with less flirting, less desire to marry a gringo, and far less of a "friendly" culture. Of course, this obviously depends on who you are I imagine.

I've been looking for various travelogue-type web sites talking about life in Fortaleza or Porto Alegre.

The only write-up I found on Porto was by an Asian-American professor who wrote a paper about living in Porto Alegre:

http://www.ccis-ucsd.org/PUBLICATIONS/wrkg21.PDF

It's interesting, because obviously being Asian made him a complete novelty (hard to say whether it was in a good or bad way) in PA. He also talks about the Nisei of Sao Paulo.

I also found articles written by a gringo who lived in Fortaleza for a few years:

http://www.bootsnall.com/cgi-bin/gt/samericatravelguides/fortaleza/index.shtml,user=ffffffffffff

He loved it, and considered Fortaleza one of the few remaining "paradises" left in the world. Again, difficult to tell whether he was just a nature nut, or he got a lot of pussy.

Badseed:
I must have gone to a different city and thought it was Porto Alegre, because where I went the girls in the malls, bustops were knockouts, and they were plentiful.
Athos mentioned that in Rio you could find a pretty girl in a short time, while in PA you have to wait a longer period of time, now you and I know that is totally false, quite the opposite is true.
I met Athos not in the best of circumstances, but by no means am I in some form trying to belittle his opinion, yet I find it so contrary to my own.
Every brazilian person that I have spoken with in regards to pretty girls, has told me that the prettiest are from southern Brazil especially PA.
I plan to make 2 or 3 houses in Brazil. I was amazed to find that you can build 8 houses in Brazil for the price of a similar one in the USA. I'm thinking Santa Catarina, PA, but I still have some exploring to do.

WHat can I tell you, maybe it's a question of familiarity breeds contempt. 75% or so of all the girlfriends I've ever had are from Porto Alegre (including my current wife). I didn't think tht they were particularly easy or hard to hook up with - girl's I've met in the street, at parties, theater, mall, friends of friends, work colleagues, a few students of mine back when I was teaching (much verbotten, but what the hell...). In other words, I don't think it rains women in POA any more than anywhere else.

As for beauty, yeha guachas do have that reputation, but I think it's mostly because there are so many more blond haired/blue-eyed girls in Rio Grande do Sul than anywhere else.. and despite all the beauty of the mullatas, blonde/blue is still considered the standard of beauty in BRazil, viva deutschland!

ENjoy!

BS

Porto Alegre sounds good to me. I'd be interested in going down there and meeting up with some guys for a festinha. Maybe arrange for a fashion show of Amanda girls so we can pick and choose from the best? Those are always fun and takes away the hit or miss nature of escort services.

Anyone have plans in the making? My time frame would be either late June or early August.

I have tentative plans for being in Brasil for 3 months or so beginning in the middle of July. I'll be mostly staying in Rio then taking a side trip to POA. Early August sounds workable. I had a great time in POA in March. The eye candy is amazing and pleasantly distracting.

Enjoy POA! AS always, shopping malls are the way to go for non-pro fun... Igautemi, Praia das Bellas, Bourbon, even the new one downtown (on Praca da Alfandega, I just forget the name). IF nothing alse, as you said, eye-candy....

BS

Joe,

I may just see you there. How friendly were the girls when you last went?

Badseed, better tell the women from your family to stay in-doors. I'm going to hit on anything female that's breathing down there.

How cold is the weather in POA in August?

Bomboa:

Enjoy my mother-in-law!

Bendejo:

It can get ugly. Mostly it's like October/November in New York (30's to 40's, rainy but some sunny days in between), but last time I was there in August it snowed... flurries really, and it only happens about once every 10 years, but I was miserable. If you are goign to go in August, take some sweaters and a good fall-weather jacket (you don't need a parka!).

BS

Bomboa,
Based on my very limited experience there, they seemed friendly enough. I did something there I never do in the states-and based on the results maybe I should start trying. I was in a nightclub and had a waiter get a drink for a lady who was sitting at another table with her friend. For some reason this blew her away and she was eating out my hands for the rest of the night.

Joe:
Yeah, and what were you "eating out" for the rest of the night?
;-)
BS

Badseed:
Thanks for the weather forecast. People have been telling me snow is a regular thing down there.
Now what about that mother-in-law?

Bendejo:

It snows in the higher mountains of Rio Grande do SUl and Santa Catarina pretty regularly, maybe 4 or 5 snowfalls every year. Usually just a dusitng, thoug - anything over an inch is an EVENT. It's a tourist atraction, believe it or not. Every time the weatherman predicts the possibilty of snow or ice, the hotels all fill up with Brazilian tourists. As for Porto Alegre itself, snowfall (flurries anyway) is a once-a -decade "what were YOU doing when it snowed in '86?" event. Hye, americans think tanga bikinis are a big deal, brazilians go gaga over snow....

As for my mother-in-law, imagine if Jabba the Hutt was female and brazilian..... fortunately, her daughter has my FATHER-in-law's genes. ;-)

BS

I'm picturing Jabba the Hutt in a thong moaning "gostoso"...not a pretty picture.

Hehehe.....coitada da sogra! Jabba the Hutt or not, she's always kind to me, and she has one huge redeeming quality in my eyes - she drives my wife NUTS! Believe me, afer 10 years of marriage, it's good to know that there is at least one person in the world who can make my "better half" pull her hair out.....

;-)

BS

10 years with a Brasileira? Any tips on how to spot a "bad apple" and some common emotional traits to watch out for?

easy... if she consents to marry you (or me, for that matter), she's probably insane, emotionally unstable, and bad news.... RUN!

;-)

BS

you must know my ex-girlfriend! don't forget to toss in needy, possessive, and suspicious.

Badseed:
Blonde, blue eyes are probably considered the standard of beauty in Brazil, but IMNSHO, a little spicing of nationalities in those qualities, especially latin, make them that much more alluring, and there are many like that in POA. (You gotta put a little sugar and spice on that white bread);+)

Amous:

I couldn't agree with you more, if I wanted whitebread, I can stay in the States. Nevertheless, you always desire what is rare, since blonde+blue eyes is rare in BRazil, there you go. Personally, as long as she's got a killer BUNDA (and a good attitude), I don't care what she looks like...

Besides, since I used to be blon(ish) (before shaving my head, among other idignities in life), and I used to have blue eyes (they're bloodshot now), fucking a b/b.e. girl would be too much like bedding my sister (yuuuuuch!).

BS

I am surprised at the prices charged by the boates in Porto Alegre. They seem similar to Sao Paulo prices. Are they supported by a foreign tourist/businessmen population, or by local mongers?

Americans are everywhere.

Porto Alegre is getting very rich, hence the rising prices. Believe me, there are a lot more rich locals driving up the prices than foreigners. Nevertheless, Amanda's is still a good option, Carmen's isn't too expensive by Sao Pualo standards, and the road-kill along Avenida Farrapos has gone up in quality, at least that was my experience in June. R$100 for a fun 3 hours with a cute little brunette. Of course, you've got to be able to speak at least some Portuguese and have a good eye for avoiding any "suprises" (i.e. there are some travestis mixed in among the girls on Farrapos). Your own car helps too.

BS

What's driving the Porto Alegre economy? I met a gaucho the other day, and all he could talk about was saving up enough money to buy a beach side apartment in Floripa.

I really need to check this place out, if nothing else than for a chance to try out Amanda. I really like their web site, and so far, it is the only agency with a ninfetas section.

Hahahaha, every gaucho dreams of getting a beachside apartment in Rio or Floripa (less Rio lately because of all the bad press - but there are NO ocean-beach apartments in Floripa, so go figure). Anyway, what's driving the POA economy is a combination of a) the fact that the state always has had a lot of agribusiness bucks, a good talent pool, and a good work ethic b) it's not Sao Paulo, a lot of Sao Pualo business is fleeing there to the next ring of industiral centers - Porto ALegre, Minas, Salvador... and POA is known for Brazil's highest standard of living (among capital cities anyhow) and most importantc) MercoSul- despite all the ups and downs of Brazil and Argentina's economy, MercoSul (Southern South America trading partnership) is goign to happen and the end result of it will be to bring all the Rio del Plata countries (Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia) firmly into Brazil's economic sphere.. and Porto Aleger is the "capital" of MeroSUl, smack dab in the middle between the B.A. economnic zone and the Sao Paulo/Rio/B.H. economic zone, the two largest economic poles in the Southern Hemisphere. OK, enough Porto Alegre boosterism, suffice to say that the city is growing like crazy.

BS

Badseed is exactly on target. There's a lot of local money in POA and that keeps the prices fairly high. I spend lots of time there (have a local girlfriend) and really like the city. BTW, there are plenty of non-blondes around. My sweetheart has auburn hair (w/ green eyes), and only a minority of women in the clubs will be blondes, mostly dyed. Still, the overall "look" of the women here is more European (my girl is Portuguese and Italian) than is typical in Rio or in Northeastern Brasil.

I've run into very few Americans during my stays in POA. Speaking Portuguese is more important there than in Rio or Sampa.

Maybe it's worth buying some real estate in this city then? I am following Donald Trump's lead, who thinks Brazil is a big real estate opportunity right now.

Anyhow, Doc Hollywood tuned me into the apart-hotel opportunities, where you can use it when needed, and get management to rent it when you're not around.

POA sounds interesting.

Bomboa:

Well, POA is where I have MY real estate, if that means anything to you. If you're seriously interested, I'lll be happy to hook you up with a good broker and a good lawyer (believe me, you'll need a broker and a lawyer).

I've never tried the apart-hotel route you're talking about, but certainly heard of it - what scares me away from it is that you have no real control over the "expenses", in other words, the hotel management can simply tell you "Sorry you didn't have any net income this month becuase we had to use your rent to pay for X,Y,Z,P,D,Q, etc." Likewise, why should the hotel management rent out YOUR unit(s) before they rent out THEIR units? Once you've bought a room, they have no incentive to help you make rental money....

Anyway, a tip - if you DO buy property in POA, buy on or near the stretch of Dom Pedro Segundo Ave that is being widened (Terceiro Perimitral) - the city is creating a high-speed route across town by widening a series of avenues. Everywhere the project is complete has boomed, there's one last stretch being widened, so it's about to boom. Of course, this is so obvious to anyone that the choicest lots have been snatched up long ago, but there are still good small lots to be had.

Otherwise, the best bet real-estate wise is to buy a good apartment as it's being built (construction phase) and then re-sell it when it's done a year later - a %50-%100 return. Of course, there's MANY a legal pitfall, and god forbid you buy an apartment being built by a developer that goes bankrupt (the risk is why there's a high return, neh?). That's why you want a great broker and lawyer (hey, you'd have to pay 6% commision to SOMEONE anyway, it may as well be to a good professional who's on YOUR side - a good one is well worth the commision). All yo have to do is walk around the city and spot where apartment buildings are being built in good, high-traffic negihborhoods... well, there's a lot more homework involved than that (go to city hall, check out new permits... get all background info you can on each project... check out the developer), but that's the first step.

Abraco,

BS