Chantily was always the best website for escorts as they used to have loads of pics of the girls for free. Unfortunately this has changed and more bad news is that the number of travestis advertising in Rio has exploded.

http://www.chantily.com.br/bonecasfree/bonecasriodejaneiro.htm

No problem as we all know the difference between a garota and a boneca. Of more concern is that a couple of them are hanging out where we are.

Izabela Scobar : IIRC she is the pale, scary travesti than was in Help a lot early in the year. She was discussed on here and had a "Made in Brasil" tattoo on her back. I've also seen her in Balcony a few times.

Milena Costa : Looks eerily like one of the girls in Help but I'm almost sure she isn't.

Fabiane Spears : I have seen her a lot in Balcony on my last two trips. This is the dangerous one as she is fairly convincing. I pointed her out to a girl who replied "I know but how did YOU know?" I also tried to warn a British guy who was chatting her up. He refused to believe me and told me to fuck off and mind my own business.

Not sure if this is the correct place for this as it's not a review but it might prevent a Rio newbie getting an unpleasant surprise.

Travecas in Rio have always been a problem. Tips for spotting them, not always foolproof (and I won't mention the obvious tranny traits - tits all wrong, five-oclock shadow.... these are tips for spotting almost "perfect" travecas):

Any "girl" you see in Lapa is a Travesti, no matter how good looking s/he is. All Travecas, no exceptions.

Adam's Apple: that little hard knot in the front of the throat. Guys have them, gal's don't, and even the most careful, expert plastic surgeon in the world is not going to cut out a guy's Adam's apple. It's not always very pronounced, so this isn't a completely full-proof method of spotting a traveca, but if you see an adam's apple, then it's a guy. If you don't, not 100% guaranteed it's a girl, but very close.

Jawline: Again, not foolproof,but it's the first thing to look at, most travecas have a jawline that's just wrong - too square or too obviously operated on (even scarred). Yeah, there are plenty of square-jawed normal girls, and some normal menthat have heart-shaped faces... but generally travecas are unwilling to get there jaws broken for their tranny surgery and those that do usually mess it up, so the jaw is a give-away.

Height: Most travecas are too tall. Another hard trait to fix! Again, not that there aren't tall "real" GP's, but it's rare.

Walk, stance, feminity: This is a tough one to spot, and it's counter-intuitive. Tranny guys trying to act female usually OVERDO it - in other words they don't look/seem "butch", like you'd expect, but rather they're too over-the-top feminine. Ever seena really "fem" gay guy? - they flounce, they pout, they overact being female. With one exception, I've never in my life seen a real woman act as over-blown "female" as a fem gay guy (the one exceptio was ugly as sin, poor dear, so I think she was over-compensating). Same applies to travecas, most of them overdo it. In practice,when some chickstarts doing a "baby-doll"act, my attenae go up.... (for some reason, most travecas either do Marilyn Monroe or the baby-doll thing).

Beauty/Perfection: Well-done travecas are usually TOO perfect - everything in place, great makeup, great dress, etc. Hot REAL girls don't need to be perfect.... For instance, if I saw a Pamela-Anderson look-alike at Terraco Atlantico, and her makeup was dead-on perfect, etc,and she was chatting up the likes of ME, then I'd be very suspicious. (Supply and demand also applies here - the real Pamela Anderson-quality garotas aren't hooking at TA, are they? They're getting mobbed iNSIDE of Help.... if it looks to good to be true....).

Lastly, as Ardgneas pointed out, the other girls usually know. Watch their reaction to your "hot date"... are they sniggering, smiling, pointing at you? Every time I've been with a GP in a crowded situation and there's been a traveca around necking with some unsuspecting guy, all the girls were (discreetly) pointing him out. So watch the other girls - or even ask, why not?

Anyway, socially the travecas usually hang out with each other or are alone. The real garotas are either in packs or the famous duo (one really pretty girl with one dog... non-pros, pros,whatever, the 10's always have a 5 wingwoman and vice-versa). So, if you see a fabulous "woman" by herself or with one or more travecas, you can be sure that s/he is a tranny. Never seen a real GP hanging out with a traveca while "on duty", and you're chances of running into two very convincing travecas haning out together are nearly zero, so this is a good rule of thumb for any group situation - If she looks too good to be true and is alone or a travesti...

Hope this helps. If nothing else, it's always fun to watch a drunk newbie (especially if he's italian) playing tonsil-hockey with a tranny....

BS

To all Rio hobbyists,

If any man shopping for pussy in Rio finds himself sexually attracted to something other than a woman, he needs to do some serious soul-searching. I have been to Rio a few times now and when I am there all I have seen are gorgeous WOMEN in the P4P scene. While I don't doubt that there could have been she-males around, I have never noticed them because I like WOMEN. If you discover that you have flirted with a person who wasn't born female in Rio, perhaps your next mongering destination should be the Village in New York City or San Francisco.

Maybe what You thought was a woman really wasnt, If you go looking for women and get fooled you cant be held resposible,some of those girls on that link above are pretty good fakes lets hope none of us get fooled, but like the guy says in Trainspotting "We are heterosexual by default its 100% about asthetics and has nothing to do with morality" Happy hunting and make sure you check under the hood

Dear Titus03, before being so sure you wouldn't be fooled by Travecas give a look at Valentina at Help and then tell me that, if he/she doesn't tell you, you can be sure she is a he....

I'm sure that even drunk I couldn't be attracted by trans but I'm honest to tell you that when I met her I couldn't believe my ears as my eyes were telling me different...

Titus03, thanks for sharing those pearls of wisdom. As you've been been to Rio a few times (wow that's a lot) you are no doubt by now an expert. I'm sure Badseed will PM you for advice on his next trip.

Clever handle. I presume it's made up of 3 parts, a description of yourself, your nationality and the number of garotas you've actually shagged.

Ard,

LOL! I love the guys who've been on the board for all of three weeks telling everyone how stupid they are.

As SF_Hombre will attest, it can be damn difficult sometimes to tell the difference, although 99.9% of the time you should be able to after a few seconds or a minute or so.

But, if you're half-drunk or more, I can see how you could be fooled. SkullJockey and I were walking up the sidewalk one night and passed at least a dozen TSs and more than a few were passable, at least from six feet away or so. I don't know what percentage of guys on this board have had incidents in Brasil or Thailand or the PI or wherever, but I would say there are more than a few. Vets too, like SF_Hombre in Rio and Blazers in Thailand. In fact, Blazers, I think, posted a pic of a katoey he picked up by mistake one night (it still may be posted here) and the pic was fairly highly rated - above 7.0, I believe!

Now, my definition of an "incident" is like the terrorism alarms. A Code Yellow is inviting one over to sit at a table, or maybe coming up to one in a club. Code Orange, well, that would be buying a few drinks or even nearly getting it on with one. SF was somewhere in the middle there.

Code Red is the old "what the fuck is that!?!" syndrome where you've actually kissed or you've reached down and actually grabbed or viewed it's package.

Larrydavid, Ardgneas, and Catocony,

I fully expected that my post would elicit some response. First of all, I did not attack anyone personally in my post. I was just expressing my honest opinion about a topic being discussed in this open forum. Second, I said that I had only been to Rio a few times to show that I by no means am an "expert" (for that matter, I'm not so sure that only getting laid by paying for it overseas on a continual basis is something to be proud of). Third, I don't have to check under the hood, because the physical characteristics that I like on a woman cannot be REALISTICALLY obtained through any surgical procedure. Furthermore, if a man can't tell a TV from a real woman he is totally responsible for it. If you like natural feminine features like I do, you can't go wrong. Neither alcohol nor recreational drugs should impair the functioning of your senses that much. FYI, I have been on this board for several months. Lastly Ard-whatever, if you must know, by virtue of my nationality my good looks and big penis have enabled me to partake of and please more garotas than I can remember. I am guessing you are the typical unattractive old man with a microscopic phallus that I have ran into on my earlier trips to Rio. You are probably one of those guys that girls tell me that they charge at least twice what I pay them. Alas, don't hate me because I am beautiful and I attract FEMALES.

P.S. Ardgneas, is your scathing response to my ealier post the result of a flashback to your own TV incident. Sorry if I brought back bad memories, Mr. Rio Veteran

I bet you are 6'4" and a former Navy Seal too....

Everyone.... don't knock the so-called "old men". I hope that when I am their age I am still able to get it up and still have the interest to nail some of the girls I have seen some with.

I wasnt attacking you,I just disagree. After seeing those pics Its hard to believe that some of those girls have dicks,BTW ive never been to RIO Im actually going this month,I have hooked up with brazillian girls from my city for free ,Im 27 and I think ill be fine according to the brazillian women up here. I just dont want you to think I was attacking you ,I just think we all can be fooled my friend actually got a trannys # in jersey this weekend and the bouncers told him ,If they hadnt he wouldnt have known.

Aldaron - Thanks for the "Old Men" compliment as I'm sure us "Old Men" appreciate it. As the Avis commercial says "We have to try HARDER" - I'll personally keep trying to nail them until they pull the lid down on the Casket. - Hemp

Larrydavid,

The sting of my response wasn't directed towards you. Ardgneas is the real asshole that I was addressing. I think that your posts have been very reasonable on this topic. However, I still have to disagree with you. To be frank, I go to Brazil to fuck pretty women with big asses. There is absolutely no way that a man could fit that description. I will be in Copa starting the 27th. If possible we should hang out sometime so we can test my assertions. Moreover, my comments were not meant to be critical of all older mongers. Everybody needs lovin'. I said what I said in response to Ardgneas' unwarranted personal assualt on me. He is probably so sensitive on this issue because he's been unpleasantly suprised himself.

I arrive on the 26,maybe you can show me the ropes looking forward to it

You can contact me thorugh the "Inbox" feature on this site at any time.

Funny Thread.
You guys are too much.
One of these days I gotta come out there with Catocony and hang out with the Rio Rascals
Whatever happened to Kid Sisco ?

take care guys and thanks for making me laff and I promise after my first trip not to think I know it all

Hey Guys, hey Lechero....

Funny how this subject gets everybody so riled up. Titus, dude, your statement:

There is absolutely no way that a man could fit that description. (pretty women, big asses)

..shows that you haven't explored Rio much. Go to Lapa for one night (some great music clubs over there, worth the trip for that alone!). These ain't no Ru-Paul wannabe's. There are several travecas in Brazil who make there living as "fooled ya didn't I?" fashion models - Roberta Close being the most famous. Here check this out:

http://www.garotasbrasileras.com.ar/ROBERTA%20CLOSE.htm

Also do a web search for "Roberta Close Fotos" and you'll find tons of nude photos, a little extra research and you'll find the "before and after" pics. S/he always was pretty public about what s/he really was. Now tell me you wouldn't be fooled?

Anyway, I posted some words up above about how to stay out of "trouble", works for me. I like REAL women with fantastic bundas as much as you do (probly even more, since I'm married to one).

However, another statement of yours I want to dispute:

If any man shopping for pussy in Rio finds himself sexually attracted to something other than a woman, he needs to do some serious soul-searching.

Why soul-searching? I've met some mighty nice goats and sheep in my days, and if you give them a little bit of hay to munch on they kind of just stand there and sway their hips, don't even have to tie them up (as opposed to womanses). The trick is to give 'em a good slap on the rump when you are about to cum, you wouldn't BELIEVE the rush when they buck just as you squirt....

Yours in mongering,

BS

Badseed,

I am pleased to see that some guys can bring a little levity to such a serious topic. However, I still must defend my position (which I think most men would agree is not very controversial). First, with regard to your conclusion that I must not have explored Rio much since I haven't seen TVs kind of proves something I said in my first post on this thread. I go to Rio for fine WOMEN. I don't pay attention to anything else. I'll provide a personal story to further support this point. One night I was walkling to my nearby apartment from HELP with an incredible garota and she points out a woman walking on the other side of the street. She then told me that it was actually a man. He/she passed by too quickly for me to get a good look, but the point is that I would never have noticed if my girl didn't say anything. So, whether they are good fakes or not, a hetero male shouldn't be attracted to them with droves of gorgeous REAL women around. As far as the photos on the link you provide, as well as the ones from chantily.com, a common factor with all of those TVs is their bodies are all fake (obviously). I guess one of the main reasons why I don't even notice shemales is that I like my women all natural. For those of you who don't mind or even prefer plastic, I see how things could be a little dicier.

So BS, to answer your question even if I thought that Roberta Close or any of the TVs from chantily.com were really chicks, it wouldn't matter because I wouldn't find them attractive and thus wouldn't give them a second look. It seems that the lesson here is if you like chicks with after-market parts, its hard to tell what the original product really was.

Finally BS, no disrespect, but no man, I repeat, no man likes a fat ass as much as I do.

Are you SURE you're not an ex-Navy SEAL?

;-)

BS

Much ado. Sheee-it. If I see a creature that looks like Marilyn Monroe or Sophia Loren, I'm fucking it! No questions asked. Ain't got no time in my mongering life to quibble about sexual origins. Implicit in all this debate is a fear of not being considered 100% bonafide Grade A heterosexual by others and/or yourself. Does it matter that much? There's no soul searching needed. It's a matter of being comfortable in your own skin. Another unusual tidbit: only heterosexual men are attracted to travestis. Gay men wouldn't be caught dead with a tv.

Badseed, when's your next trip to Brasil? I think you've been in New Jersey too many days straight!

Milkman, I should have known, someone starts talking about shemales and you're right on cue with a response. Hey, if you can make it to Rio, that would be great, just leave the Ferrari and Spiderman clothing at home, I don't think the garotas will go for it like the brown-and-round chicklet girls in TJ.

Stayawayjoe, someone asked me where you went back after you left the La Tropa Fiesta in TJ on Labor Day weekend. I never thought to have them look in KinKle Bar for you

Titus, you're too tuff for us guys on the board. Say hi to KidCisco for us, okay?

16 days and counting I cant fucking wait,Hope rio doesnt ruin my life

Larry, once you go, you are fucked for life.

BS and Cat, we're all new HE wuld resurface one dae and we mae have to VANEQUESH HIM AGAIN.

Titus03, I would have cut you more slack if you’d previously contributed something positive to this board. However, when one of your first posts is nonsense of this magnitude it’s kind of hard to hold back.

Secondly, you did insult people personally as you implied that anyone who’s been initially fooled or flirted with a tranny should go to gay hangouts on their next trip. Essentially you were implying that some prolific CH posters like SF_Hombre and Blazers who admitted being getting caught out prefer men to women.

The one good thing to come of this is that we know you are a REAL heterosexual as every time you mention WOMEN you SHOUT it. Unfortunately though you seem to have Kid Cisco “I’ve got an enormous dick so all the girls love me but still charge me” syndrome. I’m not sure what your definition of old and unattractive is although I’m sure we’d all seem ugly beside you. I’m 34, blonde 6’4” (not an ex-Navy Seal ) so I do okay for myself in Rio. Do I qualify? In any case don’t knock the “old” timers.

-they have contributed a lot of the valuable information that is posted here. I’m sure you too have benefited from their wisdom in your many months of lurking here.
- some girls prefer the young studs, others prefer the older men. Not only is age less of an issue in Brazil, there is a perception that they are less likely to look for a freebie and keep them awake all night fucking them. A perception that is sadly mistaken given the antics of some of the dogs on this board.

As BS pointed out ANY of us could be caught out in Rio. Good point re Roberta Close. Wasn’t it about her that they said “The most beautiful woman in Brazil is a man”. If millions of Brazilians can be fooled I’m sure you can even though it may require the use of lead knickers.

FWIW, I haven’t had any unpleasant surprises wrt travestis in Rio just like I haven’t had any cabbies try to rip me off. Doesn’t mean the potential isn’t there or that I’m uncomfortable warning others about possible problems. Reassuringly, whether it’s crime or travestis, it’s the people who crow “it could never happen to me” that are the first to have the unpleasant surprises.

Finally, if you reckon I personally assaulted you, you’re obviously not a lawyer . I simply implied you were a tit. IMO pretty mild stuff although I realise you may have lead a sheltered life till now, you being so young and all that. All I can say is if that is the worse thing that happens to you as a result of your trips to Rio then you are one lucky traveller.

Ardgneas,

I accept your apology. FYI, what I took exception to was the reference to my nationality. I think that any such reference can be interpreted in a number of ways and thus should be avoided in forums such as this. Also the suggestion that I only slept with three garotas was pretty low. As for the "tit" part, I had no problem with it becuase I love tits, big brown ones that is.

Anyway, I believe that this thread shows that reasonable men can agree to disagree.

Finally, I apologize if I somehow exacerbated your thirty-something blues. If only we could all be young, successful, and good-looking.

Au revoir

OMG I arrive in Rio on March 23 and after seeing that website above I am really scared. Are the SHe-males trying to hook up with regular guys or if you don't go looking for them they won't come looking for you?

CS,

Basic points, as long as we're on the subject:

1, there are no trannies in termas
2, there are no trannies on the beach (I think)
3, there are no trannies in the main Lido clubs (Barberella, Franks, etc)
4, there are a few trannies in Help (I think) and a few more who work Terraco Atlantico (confirmed)
5, there are quite a few trannies working the street on Atlantico.
6, there are a lot of trannie escorts, so make sure you know either know your Portuguise when reading the ad, or just stick to the recommended escort providers.
7, the creatures at Meia Petaca are generally female, although you may think they're trannies.

Yes, they will try and get you in a conversation, the same as the working girls. Remember, gay guys don't care for trannies - I guess the he/she's make their way in the world by fooling straight guys and/or knocking boots with "straight" guys who like trannies (who are men, so I guess the mongers aren't straight).

Bottom line - you won't be accosted by trannies, just regular girls and the touts and scammers and the assorted local gentry you run into. What we've been trying to explain to tuffguy Titus is that some of the he/she's are fairly convincing, at least from a distance. Not a long distance either. Garotas come in all shapes and sizes, from white Peninsulare garotas (Portuguese) to black (negras) and about 1000 shades in between (mulattas).

I had a discussion with a Brasiliaro in the little waiting area outside the cabini at 65 back in November and he commented on how Americans tend to go more for the spinners, while the local guys tend to like the bigger girls - not fat garotas, just kind of tall and thick in the legs and ass. So, as a result, you will see quite a few "Amazon"-style garotas in just about every venue. Now, tuffguy Titus not included, it is possible to, at first glance, to not be able to tell the difference between a tranny and one of the Amazon garotas.

Your chances of not being able to tell the difference is pretty low, but you have to take a long look at some of the garotas you see, particularly on the street and in some of the bars and clubs on Atlantico. In general, if you're even 1% not certain, just take a pass because there are 20 other garotas within 10 yards of you who do pass the initial inspection easily!

Catocony after reading your thread I have changed my mind about going

Badseed's suggestions are an excellent starting point to learn to identify the female-challenged. There are some additional suggestions in the Asia section of this site, particularly in Thailand which has some of the most convincing pre-op and post-op females.

Titus:
The tone of your original post comes off as condescending. In addition, it is in direct conflict with posts from people that have lived or currently live in Brazil (Badseed, SF_Hombre) and people that have visited numerous countries in Latin America and Asia (Catocony and myself). While most latinos are easy to identify, there are still enough that are more convincing as females to fool the average eye. While you might believe you haven't seen any because you are not attracted to them, I'm sure many of the other vets suspect that it is more likely you haven't seen them because you didn't recognize them as such. Many of them stand out as "unnatural", not noticing them would be like not noticing a car wreck as you drove by.

Your belief that you will never encounter a male with the characteristics you like is a risky one, and a belief I thoroughly discourage for newbies to our hobby(not you as a newbie but others reading this). Characteristics vary immensely across a population, and while there is certainly strong tendencies of "male" and "female" characteristics, I think most of us can think of males with feminine characteristics and vice versa. Add to this the science of hormone therapy and advances in plastic surgery, and you'll find that at least a few guys that devote their life to becoming female, will be able to fool a lot of other normal heterosexual guys.

By the way, the references to you being a 6'4 Navy Seal/Kidcisco are much worse insults than Ard's first gentle lob.

Ard:
Reassuringly, whether it’s crime or travestis, it’s the people who crow “it could never happen to me” that are the first to have the unpleasant surprises.
I couldn't agree with this statement more. I got held up at gunpoint in TJ when I was careless with this kind of attitude. On my first trip to the Philippines, I was fortunate to have a gorgeous pre-op pull his pants down in the bar (Bottoms!) because I didn't know you had to look out for them there.

Ctar:
Cat covered the Rio basics on fakes well. Overconfidence in your ability to identify, or more precisely "assuming you would never be attracted to one" would be your greatest risk. Just accept that they are around and that some might be attractive, and you should be cautious enough to not make careless mistakes.

Titus03,

I'm not sure how you gleaned an apology from my last post. I don't do apologies, even on those rare occasions when I'm wrong.

I'm also not sure whether you're ashamed to be American or ashamed not to be American, but either way I won't mention the sensitive subject of your nationality again.

Interesting to hear you like big tits as this is Brazilian women's biggest weakness, IMO. Not a big tit fan myself but for those that are, it appears Colombia is a better bet. And definitely less trannies there too.

Yeah those thitysomething blues are terrible. I've spent almost 2 years in Rio since I turned 30 and now only get to go 6/7 times a year. Oh my God I'm so depressed!!!

d'Artagnan,

In the words of the Almighty Ard-Wan Kenobi, you obviously must not be a lawyer either (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean). When responding to what someone else's post it helps to pay attention to what they actually said. If my inital post was taken by some as condescending, so be it. I was merely stating my opinion on an important topic, just as many others have done on this board. Quite frankly, I have read numerous other posts that should have been subject to far more backlash than mine. We all have our own experiences, I was just speaking from my own.

As far as "most latinos being easy to identify" I think you should reconsider this statement for a number of reasons.

Furthermore, I explicitly stated that I was made aware that I have been in the presence of TVs while in Rio. The point is that my tastes have only lead me to deal with real women. This is why I said that if a man prefers women with artificial body parts, he runs a higher risk of being fooled by a TV.

In addition, I will repeat that men cannot by nature or medical science possess the physique that I find attractive. It is one thing to know of a man who has "feminine" characteristics. It is another thing for an ostensibly heterosexual man to be attracted to an effeminate man. However, I do agree that since we all have a variety of tastes in women, some caution is advisable.

Lastly, I think that I am perfectly entitled to choose what comments I find offensive or not.

I can't end without a word on the problematic comparison between being a victim of crime and being fooled by a TV. Unlike TV deception, no matter what how vigilant you are you can become a crime victim. As my and most of the other posts on this thread have said, at least 99.9% of the time a guy should be able to tell the difference between a TV and real woman after taking a good enough look. Getting robbed has nothing to do with what your actions, just that of the robber.

P.S. Catocony, I don't consider my self a "tuff" guy, just a straight guy, sweetheart.

Ardy, Ardy, Ardy,

Seriously, I do feel sorry for you. Even at 34, it's not too late to have a life in your own country. I thought this site was for hobbyists, not lifers. And isn't it funny that several of those "rare" instances where you have been wrong have occurred on this single discussion thread.

With regard to tits, I have actually found a number of lovely garotas with very large breasts. I guess that goes to show when you have high standards you tend to get better quality. But of course I will keep your vaunted lawyer-like opinion in mind.

By the way, I am glad to hear that there are less TVs in Colombia than in Rio. I am sure you did a lot of thorough "research" to come to that conclusion, you being all-lawyerly and all.

This thread is great! Keep it up guys.
More entertianing than whats on the tube.

Holy shit ,if this site isnt all trick photography I will admit I will be easily fooled,If you have a weak stomach dont click this link.http://www.brazilian-transsexuals.com/previews/asample.html

well at least from the posts here it doesnt look like people get fooled alot so im sure ill be safe but the potential of cosmetic surgery is scary

Titus03
I know your type. By any chance, are you French? Because you're the most arrogant putz I've ever read on this board!

I'm surprised noone has commented on your earlier comment:

"for that matter, I'm not so sure that only getting laid by paying for it overseas on a continual basis is something to be proud of."

This board is ALL about getting laid overseas, and has NOTHING to do with getting laid in your homecountry. I've been a proud hobbyist for years now. I get laid at home too, but it's a crying shame how much it costs here in the good ol' USofA. (Both prostitution and dating are criminally expensive where I live)

Take your arrogance and your french attitude elsewhere!

Add something of value or keep your yap shut!

Titus -- I learned long ago in relationships, what I was most afraid the other person might do to harm me, was that which I was most capable of doing myself e.g. cheating. Analogously, my experience has been that guys with an excess of homophobia often have a fear they might be gay themselves.

Personally I could care less what guys do or don't do with other guys, and it doesn't matter to me who, if any of them, is wearing a dress. I'm not threatened at all by them, even if they want to have sex with me for money: as far as I am concerned this earth is big enough for all of us. I don't believe that means I am or might be gay, but even if it did, I don't really understand why you would froth at the mouth about it.

With the most kind of intentions, I suggest you might want to examine why you have such crystallized opinions in this area.

Putting the entertainment value aside, I will attempt to cease the seemingly endless amount of posts that are directed towards me by quoting the very honest Stayawayjoe:

"If I see a creature that looks like Marilyn Monroe or Sophia Loren, I'm fucking it! No questions asked. Ain't got no time in my mongering life to quibble about sexual origins".

To each his own.

Mr. Dongringo - First, you seemed to overlook the fact that I said ONLY in the comment you quoted. Second, if I was French, maybe I would be looking for TVs? (bad joke, but I couldn't resist)

Mr. SF Hombre - all kidding aside, the "homophobe must actually be gay him/herself" argument is so tired. All of my comments have been directed towards purportedly hetero men who find themselves attracted to TVs. As several posters have said earlier, a homosexual man would not be interested in a TV.

Finally, if anyone on this board has an interest in discouraging others from expressing their opinions you should contact the site's administration. Maybe they can create a personality test for prospective members.

A demain

Most of the girls on those websites look like men with make-up on and silicone tits. Keep in mind that is the best they can possibly look. A good photographer can do wonders with any model. Of all the times I have been to Rio, I've have only seen one dude in a dress inside Help. He/She had shoulders like a linebacker. In fact, I think I saw SF_Hombre talking to him. Or maybe it was that pervert GCL.

Titus... I'll be looking for your first trip report.

Actually Alderon...if it was me, I am still fooled by him cause I dont have a thing for Travestis. Although I will pay $50 to photograph you in womens clothing. ANyway--back to Travestis...I have spoken to several cause they hang out near where I live. Having said that... I think SFHombre is onto something. It is an ego defense mechanism called Reaction Formation and it is a very telling thing indeed when people lash out so vicously.

So call me crazy..but whats the big deal about Travestis? Some people may like them. SOme people may be gay, or perhaps not. WHo the fuck cares?

Titus; It's not your opinions that people don't like it's the ATTITUDE you have shown on this board.

Hope you have a good time in Rio, and please post a trip report when you return.

Wow. Some of those travestis looked like my frat house on haloween.

But, I found a few of those "girls" on the website hot (from the waist up, that is). In fact, the only reason I go to Rio is to meet them. Does this mean GCL, Kick Stand and Godfather are gay for knowing me?

I hope so.

Ok GCL.... I need the money. Can I borrow one of your thongs?

Seriously, I do feel sorry for you. Even at 34, it's not too late to have a life in your own country. I thought this site was for hobbyists, not lifers. And isn't it funny that several of those "rare" instances where you have been wrong have occurred on this single discussion thread.

Happy to report that I've worked in 3 countries so far and been well compensated for it which of course is why I was able to spend so long kicking my heels in Rio. You should try it sometime, it broadens one's outlook.

Actually, the more I read this thread the more I realise how spot on my second post was.

Well even all this "banter" hasn't taken the edge off my forthcoming trip to Rio on the 29th. It's only for 3 days but my main fear is, will there be any "quality" garotas left after the 27th?

On 3/10/04 Titus posted:
When responding to what someone else's post it helps to pay attention to what they actually said.

OK, let's review what you said.

on 3/8/04 10:22am Titus posted
A. If you discover that you have flirted with a person who wasn't born female in Rio, perhaps your next mongering destination should be the Village in New York City or San Francisco.
Summary: If you are fooled, you must have homosexual tastes/tendencies

on 3/8/04 7:15pm Titus posted
B. To be frank, I go to Brazil to fuck pretty women with big asses. There is absolutely no way that a man could fit that description.
Summary: It is impossible for a man to look like a pretty woman with a big ass.

on 3/9/04 7:04am Titus posted
C. It seems that the lesson here is if you like chicks with after-market parts, its hard to tell what the original product really was.
Summary: If one likes/prefers/doesn't mind fake parts, then identifying whether a person is a man or woman can be difficult.

So in essence, you are contradicting yourself. You've posted that it's impossible for a man to appear as a pretty woman with a big ass(B), but if some parts are fake then it's hard to tell(C). Plus, you are probably gay even though it may be hard to tell(A).

However, the point which I REALLY think you mangle is that you don't notice TVs because you are not attracted to them.

on 3/9/04 7:04am Titus posted
D. I'll provide a personal story to further support this point. One night I was walkling to my nearby apartment from HELP with an incredible garota and she points out a woman walking on the other side of the street. She then told me that it was actually a man.

Anyone that has done even a little research on Rio, and most of us that have been, know that you should be paying extra attention when walking near Help at night. But you said you were unaware that a man dressed in woman's clothing was nearby, something most veterans would probably notice because we pay attention to our surroundings when walking and have seen enough TVs to be able to recognize them better. At best, it appears you were oblivious to your surroundings while walking in a dangerous area, but as I suggested, I think it more likely that you are less likely able to distinguish TVs from a woman than those of us that do notice them when they are standing/walking around.

on 3/10/04 10:37am Titus posted
E. As my and most of the other posts on this thread have said, at least 99.9% of the time a guy should be able to tell the difference between a TV and real woman after taking a good enough look.

I count one post that says that, you must obviously not be a mathmatician . In fact, besides that post by Catocony, it's Badseed and I that mention you should be able to tell the difference if you know what to look for and take a good enough look, yet we both disagree with you regarding how difficult it can potentially be.

on 3/10/04 10:37am Titus posted
F. I can't end without a word on the problematic comparison between being a victim of crime and being fooled by a TV. Unlike TV deception, no matter what how vigilant you are you can become a crime victim...Getting robbed has nothing to do with what your actions, just that of the robber.

I would call it a stretch to say I was comparing the two. I was agreeing with Ard that both often share a common attitude. As far as getting robbed having nothing to do with your actions, I'll have to wholeheartedly disagree with that. Street criminals usually target easy marks, people that are not paying attention to their surroundings (say like someone not noticing a man in woman's clothing walking nearby). You'll find most veteran travelers of Latin America will agree with that. Asia fans might not, but that's because crime is much less frequent there.

On 3/8/04 1:52pm Ard posted
G. Clever handle. I presume it's made up of 3 parts, a description of yourself, your nationality and the number of garotas you've actually shagged.
On 3/8/04 4:45pm Titus posted
H. ...Ardgneas, is your scathing response ...
On 3/8/04 7:15pm Titus posted
I. ...Ardgneas' unwarranted personal assualt on me...

I think this is kind of funny. This whole thread is funny. Accused of being from the US and having sex with three girls being translated to a "scathing response" and "unwarranted personal assault" is funny. I hope you are not interpreting this as a personal assault on you, I just think it's kind of amusing to point out when people contradict themselves while taking hardline positions on an issue/argument. If everything was always peachy-keen on this site I'm sure it would be less entertaining, so thanks for posting stuff for some of us to disagree with. I hope your Rio reports are just as entertaining whether controversial or not.

Fellas,

If we all put as much effort into scoring hot chicks in Rio as we have on these posts, we should all be just fine.

Happy Mongering for chicks or whatever else you're into!

If its a girl dressed as a guy and you hump her ,are you gay? Hey the worst thing that can come out of being fooled is a funny story ,unless you get some head than you may go to hell for homosexuality,it is and abomination you know, fornication is also so we are all fucked. But ask your self this whats worse , being fooled by a tranny,or a fart?

If I enjoy verbally spanking a frenchman - take Titus for example, does that make me a homofrancomasochist?

No, that just makes you a pervert stuck at home.

DG:

No, it's SADOfrancohomo-freak. Masochist is if you enjoy spanking your own French ass. Anyway, I still think Titus is a troll (just like a certain SEAL), I'm still waiting for it/him to pass the Turing test. Then again, never underestimate stupidity.

BS

d'Artagnan, Dongringo, & Badseed,

Just to remind everbody, this thread will now have grown by 47 posts since I first chimed in on this topic (not too bad for a mathematically-challenged French troll, huh). So, at the very least I should get some credit for giving you guys some other reason to live besides spotting shemales in Rio.

As a proud "non-veteran" I have to wonder why my first post has drawn so much attention? If you guys no so much about everything, why even dignify my silly comments? Don't you guys have some wives, ex-wives, kids, grandkids, stepkids, friends, enemies, co-workers, employees, IRS agents, etc. to occupy your time?

I've tried to exit this discussion because I have better things to do, but you grumpy old men keep bringing me back in. Rest assured I am not one to hold a grudge. When I'm in Rio, I'll be sure to leave all the TVs for you guys so you can reaffirm your status as "vets" by being able to point them out immediately.

Come on now gentleman, it can't look good for distinguished mongers such as yourselves to be admonished by an anonymous 6'4" Navy Seal.

For anyone who wants realistic info on the topic of this thread I would refer you Aldaron's 3rd post (Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 07:15 pm) as well as all of mine, of course.

Alas, I would finally shut my "yap" on this thread if supposedly wiser people would stop provoking me. Probably unresolved issues from their childhoods.

Americans....

Titus
Americans are well known for a standing around the scene of a crime and gawking, or slowing down to look at an accident. Don't take to much pride in the fact that you've turned this thread into a trainwreck. Soon enough, the rubberneckers will dissipate, and you'll be left with these truths:
You joined this board for a reason - we just don't know what that reason is yet.
You haven't contributed much of value.
You've HAVE made quite a name for yourself, however, Messieur