After much research I have somewhat of an iternirary of what I would like to do in Rio. Yes of course I want to hit the termas, help, and barbella, but I would like to check out other clubs and restaurants as well.

Should I just give my hand to Don and let him do his thing, or should I have a schedule for him that he could follow. I know it is my vacation and my decision, but I basically want to cover a variety of what Rio has to offer in a short period of time.

Any information would be helpful. Thank you.

I'd suggest you discuss the list with him. He'll make suggestions regarding the list and give you his reasons. In the end you are, of course, free to set the itinerary. Variety is nice, but it isn't a rallye -- you get points based on how much you enjoyed whatever you did, not the number of different things you did. My advice is to go with the flow and don't set many arbitrary "musts" for yourself, especially on the first trip. You WILL return...

You'll probably ditch your schedule after the first day, but I guess my question is that if you already know everywhere you want to go, why hire a guide at all? Just as a driver, negotiator and anti-scam dude? It's probably worth it just for that, but remember, Don's value adds include more than just being a personal assistant down there.

If you do hire him, maybe just do it for the first couple of days until you get acclimated to Rio.

As far as schedules, as most everyone who's been a few times will agree, you go down with the best intentions of "seeing everything" but it really is kind of like Disney World - you just can't see it all in a short period of time. Days tend to get real short down there since you're always doing something (which is why guys tend to skip meals, sleep, etc) so don't turn your trip into a forced march.

If you go for say 7 days/6 nights, a good plan would be to hit maybe three different termas, probably no more than four. You'll want to do TA/Help at least 3 or 4 of those nights, which leaves one for Barberella/Franks and one for the obligatory favorita you'll probably discover in your first couple of days. Or, maybe you'll try one of the escorts for an evening.

As Don likes to say "in Rio, every night is Friday night, every day is Saturday morning" so treat every day as such.

Cat and SF are right on. I would also keep in mind that Don has his places he takes people (e.g., L'uomo, 4x4, Frank's) and places he doesn't (specifically Help, Centaurus, Barbarella). If they're on your itinerary, which they should be, make sure you're not bashful about leaving Don for some time. If you're hesitant to go solo, meet guys at Alcazar (via Don) and go with them. Remember, the only thing easier than getting laid in Rio is convincing guys to go on a terma run.

Don and his crew made my trip last fall a resounding success, and helped me out of a few jams.

Having an idea of what you want to do is a good idea, but making an intinerary may be counterproductive. Don has a good sense of which venues are good on what days and times, so as SF suggests, talk to him and see what he thinks about your plans and just be flexible - guarantee you'll have a better time.

ZT

once you get tired of standard Rio venues like Help and termas, visit me.

It is very funny that I never get girls at the places the tourists get them.

Lots of locals go to termas, so I guess this is a matter of my taste. I like them younger (18-19), less mileage, less experience, no babies, nice body with no sag, and not a hardened pro attitude with huge prices. Some of the girls I meet start working at termas or Help half a year later.

Also, if someone has some girls that fit my taste, please introduce her to me before she gets hardened. I introduce a lot of girls, I would be very happy if this ceased to be a one way street and people introduced me some top talent.

But, for your first visit, nothing wrong with trying the standard termas and Help run.

I am surprised, Don does not visit Help? Did not know that. Is that new?? Wasn't Help his specialty?

I used Don and his crew during my first trip to Rio and everything turned out well.

Of course Don has some preferred locations (Luomo, 4x4, Frank's, ...) , but if you want to go to Barbarella or Help he hasn't any problem escorting you there, as happened with some friends during my visit.

I used him for my entire month down there and I felt very safe knowing that even when I decided to move alone there was someone that checked from time to time by phone, who always arranged things for me, especially during the first days.

And moreover if you want some particular garota, so many numbers in his agenda....

I'm going to use him again during my second trip next march.

Of course there are other good friends that can help you around, of course if you speak a little portuguese, a little spanish or italian you can move around easily even alone.

I, before moving to Rio, had prepared an itinerary too, deciding where I'd have gone, which girls I'd have tried, but then once there everything changed.

So plans are a good thing but I can assure you that you'll nevere be prepared to what you'll find down there...

BS, you have to wake up and face reality! I hear you bitch about the fact you are the one who constantly introduces mongers to new girls and that you dont get that treatment in return. YOU LIVE IN RIO!!! HELLO?!! You really do have to stop complaining, you have a lifestyle that just about anyone on this board would kill for.

Naturally, you are going to have access to alot more girls that we can ever hope to meet. Most of us only have between 5-10 days for vacation, which means that traveling off the beaten trail is eating up valuable time which we dont have.

Tell you what, I would be happy to switch places with you. You come live in NY for one year and I will stay in your penthouse:-) Gurantee when you come back, I will have a whole bunch of new women to introduce you to!!

Thumper, I need to jump to BS's defense here. I would characterize his asking for introductions as requests, not bitching. I was there for six weeks, he was instrumental in my meeting many girls (including the ones whose phone numbers I passed on to you privately), and he did not put any pressure on me to come up with introductions. But if I mentioned a girl I had come across (and the ones he introduced were almost at the point of introducing me to THEIR friends when I left), like the one with the extremely large breasts and slim waist my cousin had found, he wanted their numbers. That is all. He was a most gracious hooker-upper (to coin a phrase), and he goes out of his way to help us mongers.

Sure he lives there, and has all the numbers. But sometimes one of us comes across a newbie (like at Help) that he could be interested in, give him the # and he'll add her to his list (once he tries her out).

BTW, I just got back from a quick trip to Las Vegas for a wedding, they're handing out cards on the street with ads for girls that made me hunger for Rio--$49 for....something (probably only the knock on the door), we know what we can get for that in Rio. I don't recall seeing much about Vegas on this board, I can understand why.

And on the topic, I had planned to do all the major termas twice during my six weeks, to get an accurate picture for my written review, but unexpected events prevented me from getting to them (as well as eating regularly, I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one). And that was just fine, I had a wonderful time--much better than if I had scripted it in advance, based on the experiences of several previous visits. Maybe I'll get to some termas next time.

thanks Hunterman.

That is exactly what I mean. You visiting guys spend entire weeks at Help and at termas. You meet a few girls that would fit my standards
(young, 18-19 years, no babies, fairly fresh and innocent, hard nice body, reasonable pricing, intelligence would be a plus, having a real job or studying also a plus, ..).

The funny thing is that most mongers are highly possessive and jealous of their girls. Rarely if ever, anyone introduces one to me. Mostly they don't care to, but often it is a real resistance, jealousy.

I understand I can introduce 20 girls to you, and you can't. But not even a single girl you meet in 2 weeks of mongering would be interesting to me??

Somehow I don't get much gratefulness, Hunterman. The Lesbian college students I introduced to you and who probably made a couple of thousand Reals off you, thanks to my intro, they don't even bother to call me or to stop by.

On the contrary, once I overheard them saying impolite remarks about me being stingy. They should be grateful for me having generous friends like Hunterman (and Hunterman is not as generous as some of those idiots that throw money right and left because they think they are in Vegas or Tokio)

BS

How could those girls come to the conclusion you are stingy??

BS knows the market relative to each girl's individual situation, and negotiates for bottom dollar (which the girls don't always appreciate). He always told me their rock bottom price (which I think is what he would try to pay), and what would make them happy (in actuality, not by asking THEM what they want)--it was usually R$50 more--and I wanted to make them happy. It was still a lot less than I had been paying before I got help from him.

My girls are students, semi-pros who really don't like prostituting themselves. Somehow, they decided they like me a lot, see my trip report (Chap 4 is where I meet them). But when BS tried to get them to see somebody for what I paid them the first time (for 3 hours, as opposed to the 24-hour slots I was buying at that time), they were insulted. They had become MY girls, and weren't hookers anymore, so their asking price to "outsiders" went up.

(That's the best I can do to explain, only a little fantasy there)

And let ME thank you, profusely, BS. They are my sweethearts (they even called me today in LA--and didn't ask for money!), it's an absolutely perfect arrangement. It doesn't even matter if Fernanda is serious when she says she wants to marry me when she graduates in 2 years (and Tereza will be our lover, she says).

By SF_Hombre

BS

How could those girls come to the conclusion you are stingy??

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It is my own fault. I help them to make better money then they make elsewhere. Then, in their infinite greatfulness, they increase my price.


I found Hunterman's sweetheart in an agency, where she cost R$ 100 for 2 hours or 80 for 1 hour. She got half of that, and then they deducted a few more costs from her R$ 50.

so if she got 3 customers in a day, she would spend 6 hours fucking, 3 hours in a taxi, and 6 more hours sitting in the agency, and make R$ 120 or so.


The last few days I suggested the guys to just give the girls R$ 80 or 100, instead of the usual R$ 150 to 200. None of the girls refused. This is still better then what they make elsewhere where madam skims off half. This is what most local escort girls make. And this are the better earners, that cater to upper middle class.

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Of course there are some local top earners. And the Help girls of course are spoiled by you guys.

But even they, they have expenses, pay night time taxi, R$ 28 admission to Help, spend all night to reel in a customer. Some night they get no customer, are stuck with only expenses, etc ..... So most of them, during daytime, eagerly accept madams that charge the customers R$ 150 to 200, giving them half of that.



I knew lots of Help girls that work in R$ 30 massage parlors during the day (they get R$ 15 from from that)


Often it is hilarious. A girl that worked for R$ 150 at a madam (she gets 75 of that) once refused to go with me for these same R$ 75 she would make, even though (or maybe BECAUSE) she had made R$ 800 from 2 days with a guy she had met through me. Another girl that calls me cheapskate.


Luckily, one day, another madam unexpectedly sent her to Hunterman and me for an orgy. We both f..d her and the second girl into oblivion for 2 hours. At the end, she made exactly these R$ 75, her share from the 150 R$ we paid to her and madam.

Well done. Did not do me alone for R$ 75, but then did us two for R$ 75 instead.


So call me stingy.

But I am not paying R$ 200 per girl twice a day for 365 days a year. That would be about US$ 50,000 per year. I want to get a better rate then the 1 week tourist!!

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the best jobs in town are at termas. The successful terma girls make good money. Also the more successful among the Barbarella girls make good money.

It is funny. Price has not much to do with quality. I knew girls that worked everywhere, in Vila Mimosa, Barravips agency, etc. Once I met a Centaurus girl at Vila Mimosa. She preferred to work at her own schedule, only occasionally, with no fines for skipping a day or being late.

One of the best Karlamodels girls (R$ 100 for 2 hours with anal) now works at Barravips (R$ 240 for 2 hours). She is a year older, fatter, has more mileage, and probably does no anal.

These Brazil Spec. slams are hilarious. Maybe if he started charging a couple of c-notes a week like SOME tourguides in Rio the dude would get some respect?

Brazil Specialist, keep up the good work, man!

with don you get value for what you pay. i could slam bs but enough has been said.

I guess that's up to every individual to decide, whether they got value for their money for paying a tour guide when they can't bother to read a report here and write an address for a taxi driver. But I still can't understand the hostility towards Brazil Specialist. Where is this crap coming from?

I still can't understand the hostility towards Don. The guy has a business. If people want to pay him, it's their choice. At least he doesn't make you pay for 2 of "his" girls and then insist on taking one of them.

If the shoe fits re: patronizing a 'business' because you can't write an address out for a taxi driver, then wear it. Sounds like BS merely gets off on sloppy seconds from working girls. One's a 'public servant', the other's 'weird'? Yeah, THAT'S logical.

Porker, so, what's your point? Some of us just get a creepy vibe from BS. I have read all of BS's post and don't feel comfortable meeting up/interacting with him in Rio. Others may have a different viewpoint.

Some of us vets/non-newbies do like hanging out with Don and other locals (I have a list of 6 individuals that I try to visit on every trip).

For some of us on vacation, it's never about the money. That argument is getting old quick, I don't count every real.

Howard69 - Right On Buddy - Rio in March for me with Don, third trip. Thanks Howard - Hemp

Porker, have you even been to Rio? I thought Catacony busted you out a couple of months ago on the Chat Board.

Aldaron - Porker's posted lots of photos from Asia, about 85% have been rated BELOW a 6. Even allowing for the supposed bias toward higher ratings of South American garotas, 85% is an interesting stat. No indication I could find he'd EVER been to Rio.

I know.... I believe that was the gist of Catacony's rant on him on the chat board a while back. Also something about being cheap and used to the Tijuana quality girls.

You guys are too smart for me.

Porker likes to fuck the cheapest piece of wetback pussy he can get in Monterey, except when he goes to the PI or Thailand and then he fucks the cheapest piece of Asian pussy he can find. That seems to be the primary dichotomy with this guy.

As far as Brazil Specialist, well, I would be just a little cautious. If you decide to stay at his place or bring girls to his place, you may want to check for cameras or peepholes or something. I've met many a creepy German guy in the past, there was always one in every FKK who liked to just watch guys getting blown in the lounge.

That said, I agree with Howard69, his first posts when he got his free account were basically "come to my place, use my free phone and let me fuck your girl". Uh, thanks guy, but I'll pay the higher rate on the phone charges.

Hey! Leave us German guys alone... we're all entitled to our kinks and hangups (even if they do involve farm animals). ;-)

Hehehe, actually there's something to be said for Cato and Aldaron's gut feelings about BS - he's a good guy, but..... caveat emptor.

But then again if we weren't all pretty fuckin' weird, we wouldn't be here on CH, would we?

BS (the OTHER one)

Haha, while I have met many a creepy German dude (think of the German guy in the awesome movie "Super Troopers" if any of you have seen it) I generally have no problems with that brand of volk - as long as they're not watching me get a hummer!

So, I encourage everyone to watch "Super Troopers" since it's one of the funniest movies of the past five years.

Cat, come to Monterrey and I'll convince some 'wetback' at the Matehuala or Infinito to get you over your shyness re: public performance.

I don't need to go to Monterey MX; I have a Taco Bell right in my neighborhood.

Thanks for the offer though.

And they still serve rednecks there?

I am worse then you suspect, Cacotony. Be very cautious!!

You suspect me having Peepholes and cameras? No, they are boring. Porn movies are more exciting then some tiny pictures through a hole.

I prefer to be right in the room in an orgy. F.ck the girl doggie style while she blows the guys. How depraved!

And no, I don't force you to do any of these activities. People are perfectly able to close their doors and go about their own business, if they choose so without me breaking the door.


Interesting that some people wisely decide that I am so creepy that some people are scared to come into 20 yard distance. Yes, it is dangerous to come close. I spoiled lots of guys.

They want only one girl, after a few days with me they like threesomes and foursomes. Just some guys get spoiled. Others manage to preserve their high moral standards in spite of my creepy influence.

There was the guy who thought he could do only 2 girls per day. I explained to him that it is not his duty to satisfy all the women, and that he does not need to come with all women. He could even consider the programa a lapdance. After all a R$ 100 programa is much cheaper then a US lapdance. After that, he started enjoying up to 5 girls per day. Gosh!

There was the guy who worked all day on his computer, had not much time for girls. I gave him the idea to hire a girl to blow him all day long while he was typing. Spoiled him forever. Using women as objects to satisfy his lowly lust. He enjoyed his work much more though

It is true! stay away from me, you might get morally corrupted. Beware!!

If I charged big $$$ for my help and advice, maybe I would get more respect.

Seem there are a few members here at CH that have deep pockets and exibits eletist attitude toward those that don't have deep pockects. From what i have read here just because you paying more generally does not guaranty better service. why pay more when you got locals like Brazil Specialist that have given insight to fresher and cheaper talent.