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Here is the business card of a terma not yet written about here: Praia Club 400. It's located at Avenida do Pepe 400, at Posto 1, across the street from the beach in Barra de Tijuca, about a 20 minute $R25 taxi ride from Copacabana. Compared to Copa, the Barra de Tijuca neighborhood is another planet, a ritzy area of standalone highrises and expensive homes, coupled with upscale shopping.

Praia Club 400's physical facilities are quite nice, with the quality on a par or better with Monte Carlo, L'uomo or 4x4's. I don't know if they have a sauna etc. I assume so. The nightclub is about the size of the one at L'uomo. It is not a white robe terma - the men are in street clothes, though you won't see any cargo shorts or turistas. The clientele was reasonably well dressed and clearly not day laborers. We were the only gringos in the place and the girls were quite happy to see us - a change of diet I guess.

The night we were there, all the garotas were in costume, presumably for Carnaval. They frequently danced (and seemed to really get into it, as they do at L'uomo) rather than sitting around on their collective asses as with bored looks on their faces as sometimes happens in other Termas They also had a strip show. For whatever reason, the DJ played no hip-hop all the time we were there.

There were about 20 garotas attending class when we were present, with the same percentage of quality as well known 1st tier Termas, that is, out of 20 there were 2-3 really hot ones, a gaggle of 7s, a few 6s, and, of course, leftovers for bottomfeeders. I was told the talent the night before we were there was even better and with more girls.

The activity rooms are not plentiful, but are quite large and even the cabines have bathrooms. Terma 400 is, however, pricey. The entrada is R$50 and 40 minutes with one garota in a cabine will set you back an additional R$150. One hour will drain $R200 from your wallet in addition to the entrada. Two girls will double those prices - no price break even though you are using only one room for the three of you. These are cash prices which you pay to a bedroom hall monitor - not to the front desk - when you and your beloved go upstairs to your honeymoon suite. Cash is king: prices for credit cards are substantially higher so bring Reals. Drinks are normally priced.

They're open Monday-Friday only - no weekends - as you would expect with local clientele. Doors are unlocked at 5:45 in the afternoon. I'm not sure what time they close, but I would expect around midnight or perhaps a little later. We were there about 9 pm.

SF_Hombre

Thanks for the info. Do you know how long they have been in business?

I hope some of the girls at Barraca do Pepe go there after a long day of sunbathing

I don't know how long Praia 400's been there, but it didn't look nor feel like a new operation. And yes, tan lines are much in evidence. Don'cha just love those slender threads of white skin showing where the garota's dental floss swimsuit rested when they were sunning at the beach...

that is the place where Henriclube has its couple swing parties on weekends, not sure which days (Saturday, Sunday, or both)

I can personally atest to the quality at Praia 400. Went there during my first trip to Rio Thanksgiving 2003 with some friends of mine who are vets. A veritable first class buffet of talent. Had a 19 yr old just the way I like 'em, Long hair, big breasts and an amazons perfect body!!

Damn I can't wait to head back down there in 3 weeks!!!

anyone been there recently and have any experiences?

I was there Monday and it was great. Lot's of girls. P400 is a nice Terma in Barra. It is more of a locals place but some guys come out from Copa. Highly recommended. - Hemp

Crhesq1 you piece of shit how dare you not take me there last time we were down in August? LOL

I guess you're gonna make me have to go there next week and bring you back some pictures!

thanks Hemp...its on my list for the next visit...

Kingtut, you may eat shit and linger!! I told you about the place! i'm not sure if you heard me though, you kept having your head stuck in Brazilian 4x4 muff.

You better bring back some damn good pictures!!

Where is Ave do Pepe located? I could not find it on terramapas. Can someone help on getting his bearings? Is it close by the big mall? close by the beach? what is the main intersection. Does anyone know which bus goes to Barra from atlantica or do they all go there?
Thanks

Athos it is right on the beach at Posto 1. Look for the Palm Trees out front. Any Taxi can take you there. Have fun. - Hemp

One more thing about Praia 400. Most of the girls sleep there overnight as a lot of them live very far away. Therefore you can find a lot of them on the Beach at Posto 1 during the daytime before they start work. Garotas favorite pastimes "Beach" "Shopping". I would also recommend visiting Barra Shopping Center for a lot of great eye candy. - Hemp

Hemp
Thanks, I'll give it a try my next time out.

that is great info on the Posto 1 beach part...

Terma is located right by posto 1. Red and yellow building. I took the bus to get there, bumpy ride. I think van is best transport. On the way back to Copa, got radio taxi for R$40.
Is it worth checking out? Selection is 42 girls currently, on the night i went they did not open till 7:30 pm and about 20 to choose from.
Entrance is R$50, garota plus room is $150 I think.
2 blocks from terma there is a hotel named Tropical, talk to a bell boy and he will give you a coupon so nice way to save R$25.
I picked very quickly and selected a 6 Sasha I think early 20's no kid, great service but I think terma is just too far for me. Selection is plain vanilla. You do not get a key but a card and no robe in there.
You know you are in Barra when you see some stores and 1 of them says Barra Grill. There is also a bridge for pedestrians then head toward the ocean then make a left toward posto 1.

I went there last week. I had my best session of my trip at this Terma. Overall quality was excellent. I will definitely be going back when I return to Rio in March.

Anyone been here lately? Still a good deal? I will be making a trip there sometime between March 15-23...if anyone wants to hook for a run there..let me know. We could split the cab fare.

Heh, heh, actually Don just took a bunch of the boys there tonight (Feb 21); I just got off the phone with him an hour ago. Hopefully the lads will post a review.

Follow up: I actually stopped in later that evening to catch up with the boys as I made my way south to Paraty. Unfortunately, they left by the time I got there. What's interesting is when I told the doorman that I'd planned to meet friends, and now that they were gone I wouldn't be going in, he cut the admission price in half.


Here's what the place looks like during the day

I noticed that the sign for Club Praia 400 says for "Homens Class AA". Just what the hell does that mean. What if you are only Class A, or maybe you are just to good for this club, maybe a class AAA. Just kidding of course. I was just wondering if this is just equivalent to the ole standard line, "Generous Gentlemen". Sure looks like a decent looking place. Have to check it out.

Anybody make it over here recently?

CB

yep, i was here with a fellow hombre a few weeks ago. did a dupla with two nice girls there. about 30 girls total, maybe 5 cute ones, talent is ok but definitely not on par with the top termas and there is no reason to go all the way out here unless you happen to be in barra for another reason. i would say the talent is on par with a rio antigo, maybe a little better.

great info, thanks for your report, Gr8ter

Ok, A small group decided to try tonight. All I can say is WOW! KIller terma! ATLEAST 50 girls tonight. Most range from 6-9 range. Entrance was R40 with a 40 min cabine costing R160. Drinks reasonable. Two thumbs up!

As was reported elsewhere, Praia 400 was closed a few days back by the police. It's not certain what's come from the raid, but a local friend tells me it has reopened, but their website (http://www.cafe400.com.br/) is currently "closed for maintenence."

Is this place now permanently a Swing Club (or is it just on the weekends)...the url redirects to a place called Henry's Swing Club??

http://www.hcswing.com.br/textos.php?cod=12

http://www.funsunbrazil.com/brazil_swingers.html

It should be noted that this place is not a Termas. You don't wear a robe but they do have small lockers where you can put a backpack or other belongings you might have with you at the beach. It is a Boate with fixed prices for sessions like a Termas. I had three sessions here and most of the girls would not allow photos. I saw no Americans in this place. It should be noted that the sessions were fantastic. There is a 20% upcharge for credit cards. I would rate the women second in Rio only to Centaurus.

I don't remember the name of the girl in the photo...she used to work at Centaurus (she kind of looked familiar and I stored her number in my phone but I can't remember which one is hers). She rode me really well. I'm not usually the kind of guy that likes a girl on top and I really enjoyed her being on top. She was really nice as well, she gave me a tour of the entire place when I told her it was my first time there. She showed me all the rooms and never once made me feel any pressure to session with her. After the tour when we returned to the Boate, she asked if I still would like her to sit with me. What a great attitude!

I ended up going to the nicest suite in the place with her because it was not that expensive. It was a good idea I later found because the standard rooms have a shared bathroom and the girls make you shower before the session because it is not a robe termas. Kind of wierd leaving your clothes in the room and walking barefoot into the shower with other people coming in and out. The suites are not that much more to make a huge pricing difference. I had a really good time at this place.




(I edited this post because I put the wrong photo of the girl.
(Message edited by copabrasil1 on January 12, 2008)

(Message edited by copabrasil1 on January 12, 2008)

Photo: Praia Club 400

Thanks for the new info, this sounds like a place I'll have to check out the next visit. Two questions: are you able to test the girl by making out in the boite as in a terma, and could you share the prices?

I'm sorry I really don't remember the prices but they are about the same or less than Zona Sul termas'. I think I may have kissed in the Boite but I am not sure. This is not a tourist rip-off place, more of a locals place so I don't think you are going to have a problem with the service...as I reported, the service was fantastic, much better on average than MC, Solarium, Centaurus, etc.

Three + years ago I use to hit P400 2 or 3 times a week. Great place and mostly locals. Be very careful and watch your tab though. They like to add on a lot of little things (condoms,tips, etc). I told the manager if you want more gringos treat them right and quit the (nickle and diming) and they will return but that is the Brazilian mentality. I remember a lot of the girls actually lived there during the week because their homes were far away. They use to hang out at the beach in the daytime (opens at 6:00 if I remember right) Mon - Friday. - Hemp

Yes kissing is ok in the boite. Prices: 50 minimo consumo, 180 40min. Upstair rooms are larger, nicer than rooms downstair. I met a gdp that looked like the one in the pix posted by Copabrasil1. IMHO her face was the prettiest of the 20 garotas working that nite, but she had no breast & ass wasnt shapely firm, therefore not sure if it's the same girl. Lineup was just avg; i didn't session. Open 8p-2a. Cross street is Rua Tenente Airton Pereira.

I visited this place a couple of times. One Monday night, it was 50R entrance, but discounted to 25R if you took a girl. The other Thursday night, I was charged 40R upfront and had to pay before entering. I can only guess it is dependent on the day of the week(??)

The place doesnt really get going until 10pm. As I think it is open until 2am or more. I showed at 8:30pm and a girl was just showing up in a taxi. It was me and just another guy for 30 minutes.
As mentioned, it is street clothes place. The layout is fairly decent, with nice white-table cloths and alright club setting. Girls wear a mix of different clothes. No typical bikini type outfits you find in the mainstream termas.
I settled in with one garota. Nice girl but I was not going to take her to the room. She was no pressure at all.

Something of unusual interest was there were a good many blondes there, albeit all fake. I dont particularly like fake anything. I ditched the girl I had been talking with for over 2 hours and went for the prettiest girl in the house. It was the girl that CopaBrasil has pictured above. Her name is Stefany and she said she is 22yo. The girl looked fantastic inside the dark bar. We went up to the small sitting area which had a little more privacy. I really liked this girl, great personality. Her body though was really soft, the girl never works out. But, I was attracted to her. I quizzed her on the usual suck without condom, CIM, etc. She passed the test so off to the room we went.

Here is the kicker in the place. It is a total ripoff if you want to pay with a credit card. The room and girl for 40 minutes is 200R. But, it is something ridiculous like 240R if you want to pay by credit card. Luckily, I had enough cash on me.
Stephany was great in bed. A true performer. I asked her in the bar to be "safada" and she did not disappoint. Great, sloppy wet BJ with sack-tug. She even licked my ass. Various positions and she finished me off with a CIM just as I asked her. She laid next to me and was very affectionate.

Drinks at this place were potent. I was almost drunk with only 2 caipivodkas. Waiters are cordial and polite. Overall service was excellent.

I went back on a Thursday night and there were a lot more guys there. I was disappointed with overall talent this go-around. I saw Stefany again and thought about taking her. But, I felt her legs and didnt get too excited. The girl is pretty and sexy, but lacks the muscle tone of most termas garotas. I dismissed her and she was a little surprised. I did not take a garota that night as around midnight, another girl I didnt have to pay called me for a sleepover.

Cafe 400 is a pretty decent place. I liked it. But, a taxi out there from Copa/Ipanema will run 30R. At night, they try to get you a private driver, which will cost 40R. When it is late, there arent really options so you almost have to take it. That is 70R for transportation alone.

My suggestion unless you have a real thing for blondes, it isnt really worth it. With transportation, entrance, and program the total cost is basically 300R. Remember to bring cash, if paying by CC it is total scam.
The quality of girls I thought was slightly better than average, but nothing special.

These days, I look at the total costs of everything going to a termas so Cafe 400 is not really worth it to me unless others are sharing the ride. If the place was closer, I would definitely go there more as the overall experience was positive.

Thanks for the update, CL. I used to hit this place more regularly when the transportation costs didn't figure in quite so heavily. I'm glad it's doing OK. It was shut down for a while by the cops, with the cops claiming that they had underaged girls there, but this turned out to be bogus, and was almost certainly about not paying their bribes on time.

Back in the day...LOL...when Hemp lived nearby, we'd go there quite often. And the girls who worked there would hang out at the beach in front of the place during the afternoon, so it was a great place for garota-watching.

These days it's best to go with 2-3 other guys to bring the cab costs down, but it is worth a trip, and has a very different feel to it than the main Zona Sul termas.

Yes Bwana I do remember those good old days. Glad to hear you have not forgot me. - Hemp

Looking forward to the next time, buddy!

The last two times I went to Pria400, the first time they paid the taxi 10R commission, the second time they said they no longer pay commission. When you leave they have private cars (taxis) that rip you off when you leave. I shared a taxi with another guy who got dropped off in Leblon, he was charged 35R, the driver continued to take me to Copa and i was charged 45R.

I always thought the talent was better than average, they used to have a 50R entry that went to consumption, my last two visits, it was a 50R entrance.

Whoah! I would've never have paid that.

Actually, all you have to do is catch the bus to a certain point - difficult to describe -- and walk a few blocks. Same thing when you leave!

Anyway, went there a few weeks ago, talent was slightly above average.

The waiter asked me to sit down at a certain spot. Normally, I sit where I please! But I didn't wanna cause any static, particularly being that I knew the girl sitting next to me wasn't my type, i.e, a little older, 26 and more laugh lines than my old ass has.

But we began talking, and she turned out to be a nice girl, and her loooks got a bit better. She also had an interesting story to tell: she was working at aeroporto, and someone from school noticed her and she thought too dangerous working at a terma close to her school. Afterwards, she got some old fart to take care of her since february. That fizzled and this was her first night back at a terma.... hummmm.

So I said fuck it, and took her back to the boite. The price was 200r, 250 with a credit card. I thought that was unusually high, but I paid the cash

When I got in the boite, it took fucking forever for her to return! I thought for a moment they were trying to pull a fast one on me, BUT, when she finally returned, it was on!

I had no inkling of this when I was talking to her earlier, but she was a serious freak in the bed. Maybe it's because she hadn't had different sex in a while, but it was fucking fantastic!

She sucked my dick as if she loved sucking dick, yet hadn't sucked dick in years! We fucked in all kinds of different positions, and after she had enough of that, she took my dick out and put it right in her ass! After about 6 years of mongering in Brazil, that had never happened.

In retrospect, I think she liked the idea that she was blonde, and I was black, big and buffed, and could dominate her. The more I over powered her, the more she seemed to love it.... I could be wrong, but that's how it felt at the moment.

Anyway, her name is Sol. Obviously she's highly recommended.

"In retrospect, I think she liked the idea that she was blonde, and I was black, big and buffed, and could dominate her. The more I over powered her, the more she seemed to love it.... I could be wrong, but that's how it felt at the moment."

We all have our delusions, thats what makes this hobby great. Imagine what her dad would think if he saw his little princess getting fucked in the ass bareback by 50 Cent....talk about smoke coming out of his ears.

So I'm deluding myself, huh?

That's quite a statement being that you weren't even there. And an unnecessary one being that I already stated "I could be wrong."

Also, in assuming that her father would be upset that a black dude would be fucking his white daughter, blonde even, you're thinking with the sensibilities of your typical racist American. You must remember, we're talking about Brazil here. They don't have the same pettiness their neighbors of the north have. 50 cent happens to be a successful multi-millionaire who could pass for Brasilian. I'm sure Pai is gonna think his "little princess" could do a lot worse.

He never goes to Brasil so disregard everything he says.

JS,

Come on dude, Brasil is extremely racist, at least from my vantage point. It's certainly different than here but quite visible. I've sat next to mulatto garotas - who would be black up here - making comments like "macaca" and whatnot about a black(er) garota sitting across the boite or restaurant. It is certainly not as racially integrated as a lot of folks - mostly black Americans - think it is. Coming from a white guy's perspective, at times the place is almost like the Jim Crow south, although based more on socio-economic than plain social issues.

Cat is correct about Brasil being racist, perhaps even much more so than the USA. You should still disregard Blazers and his racist comments.

Yes, there is racism everywhere. Brasil is not perfect. I've even spoken to Brasilians about this problem, and it exists. But, I've never been refused sex by any gdp in Brasil based on my color. There is no way in the world I could make that kind of blanket statement about the US.

I've ordered white brasileiras from escort agencies, and I've never gotten that "I wasn't expecting you" look. I've fucked many blondes at the termas, and it's so common now, I don't even think about it. If a girl turned me down based on my color, I'd probably be so surprised, I think I'd burst into uncontrollable laughter.

This is what I was referring to. Not the socio-economic issues Cat was referring to, e.g, upper-class whites in Leblon versus lower-class blacks in the favelas (That's a whole other story). Some may have differing opinions, but as a black man who has experienced racism up close and personal in the USA, these are the opinions I've formed.

My take on it, FWIW, is superficially Brasil has less racial tension than the U.S. And although I use the term superficially, that does not mean this is insignificant. However, from what I can see (and my vantage point is somewhat limited) the socio-economic issues and resulting hierarchies likely surpasses those in the U.S.

I guess a critical question is as Brasil becomes wealthier as it is currently on track to do, is this going to result in less socio-economic stratification, or is it going to exacerbate the current level of stratification and result in deeper racial tensions? It is very hard to predict the answer IMHO.

I agree with some of the earlier comments. I've sit next to a girl in a terma that would be considered a light skin black girl in the US and she was calling another darker black girl "monkey girl". You just don't even know how funny that is in person.

The white Brasilians are just as racist as up north. Putas ... well, they only care about money, so that is why you aren't getting that "look".

(Message edited by itasca on October 21, 2008)

to brasilians: "light skin black girl" is known as coffee and milk fully accepted in brasil.

I didnt say the girl would refuse sex with you...she is a provider, she could care less. She might even be more attracted to black guys than white guys.

I was talking about what would happen if she brought you home to her folks. I am Portuguese, I speak Portuguese, I have relatives in Brazil...trust me when I say that racism is hardcore in Brazil. When I was 18 and brought 2 black girls back to our rented condo, my aunt and cousins brought me to the side after they went upstairs and asked what kind of shame I was bringing to her family by bringing monkey's home. My best friend in high school was a black guy, so I didnt get the whole racist thing at the time.

Of course that was back when I could get free pussy on a whim.

Well, I guess I've been missing out on all this "hardcore" racism in Brasil.

For example, I have a different story to tell:

Once, I met this beautiful fair-skinned morena on Copacabana beach named Giselle. Not a gdp. She was engaged to a German dude, but he was in Germany and she was here -- with me

Anyway, she took me to her small apartment where she lived with her mother on barato ribeiro. Her grandmother was there, too, and without so much of a flinch, each one gave me hugs and kisses on both cheeks.

That's just something that would not happen in the states. Her mother, not knowing the plans I had for Giselle, suggested I hook up with her other daughter who was single and just as gorgeous!

No disrespect to others, but those kinds of experiences are common, and just my reality in Brasil.

Another thing I think is important, and worth mentioning.

Once I was in the Phillipines and fucked many many girls there. As I was flaunting this fact, and my enjoyment of the phillipino culture, this phillipino dude saw me and gave me a dirty look.

So when I arrived in Brasil for my first few visits, I was looking for this among the Brasileiros, as well.

Each night I would bring home gorgeous girl after gorgeous girl. I'm thinking, that porteiro must hate me. Gringo coming here, throwing all his money around, fucking our women! But never, not once, did I sense that kind of animosity! In fact, that guy became one of my best friends. I live in the same apartment building all the time, and all the porteiros are like that.

If that's "hardcore" racism, I'll take that everyday and twice on sunday.

I believe that racism is substantially less in Brazil than in the United States. Yes, it is true that racism exists in Brazil, but relatively speaking, it is less.

The question I have pondered often is why. Slavery was abolished in Brazil AFTER the United States. I believe the stark difference is the Jim Crow laws in the US. In Brazil, once the slaves were free, they were at a clear disadvantage economically, but not socially. When I tell Brazilians about the lynchings, the Ku Klux Klan, and other hate crimes in the United States, they think I am joking!

My 2 cents worth. The US is richer with a greater distribution of wealth. Brazil is not as rich and a greater stratification between rich and poor. Thus, you see an informal class system. The class system hides a lot of the racism in Brazil and makes it seems as if races get along because of they are of the same "class". In the upper and middle class social situations, it is your education and financial position that give you tolerance. But, don't confuse that with racial equality - it does not exist in Brazil either. Bottom line is that it is still harder for blacks to get beyond the center of the pyramid.

I truly believe it boils down to competition, moreso than racism. I say this because in my 6 years of coming to Brasil, I've seen black and white images that are just amazing.

There's this beautiful blond I use to know with golden skin. Just an amazing look! I still kick myself for letting her go. Once, she called me up and said she'd be at Help sitting down with her friends. I came down there, and she was sitting down at a table with three ugly, homely ass black chicks! You'd NEVER see that in the states. The blond would think she was too good. But in Brasil, it's no big thing. They're all Brasilians.

However, if you're an owner of an establishment, and you're white. Your manager is probably going to be white, so what does that make the ancillary employees? White, or mostly white, right? If there's an opening for a good job and you got 4 blacks and 5 whites applying for the same job; then probably 4 blacks and 4 whites aren't gonna get that job. Not so much due to racism, but competition.

I've knowm many girls -- sharp girls who have called me up in tears, crying about the lack of opportunity in Brasil.

I use to know this 17y/o about to turn 18. She'd come down to Help with a chess board all the time. She wasn't the best looking girl in the world, but at 17 and Brazilian, how bad could she be?

I thought to myself, I play chess, maybe I could play a game with her. So she'd come by, and we'd play. I'm pretty good, but she was, too. It wasn't easy beating her.

Then afterwards, she'd start talking about the latest Stephen Hawking book she read. Extremely sharp girl who could also speak english very well. But, lack of opportunities.

About a year ago, I saw her in front of Help strung out on drugs, looking like a crack Ho. I almost cried. What a waste. I gave her 10 reals, and haven't seen her since. Probably dead.

Regarding the hot girl with an ugly friend - that seems to me to be an unwritten GdP rule. You see it in termas as well. I think it's for two possible reasons.

One, the hot chick is trying to help out her obviously ugly friend(s) by acting as a literal honeypot - she'll pull in a lot of guys, maybe some will go for the uglies.

Two, the hot chick likes the uglies around because they reinforce her looks, making her actually look better compared to the bowsers around her. This increases her business since she goes from a 7 to an 8 simply by being in the middle of a bunch of 3s and 4s.

Did anybody go to Prai 400 recently?

I usually go to centaurus or Monte carlo but as I will stay in Baja, I will like to try that one.

Visited Prai 400 for the first and only time 4 months ago. All the women wore Indian sarees which concealed most of their body. About 10 women onsite, most of which comparable with low end hotel clubs in downtown Rio. Believe entrance fee was 50 real or 25 with coupon available through company website. Entrance fee included two drinks. Glad to have gone, but would not recommend.

Jurgen, not sure what day or time you went there but this place does not get going until about 10pm.
In fact, girls might not even start showing up until 8 or 9pm.
As for the talent, it is at least equal to most of the other termas. I have always seen 2-3 very doable girls there.
I know there are certainly more than 10 girls who work there.

Entrance is generally 50 with 25R going to consumption.

Personally, I would go there more if it was in Zona Sul...but the taxi fare sucks if you are going solo.

For a guy staying in Barra, it is definitely a place you could go at midnight and have a good time. I would suggest Wed. and Thur. and arrive no earlier than 9pm. Do take cash there, there is a considerable sucharge for credit cards.

Also, keep in mind some girls live on-site and have nothing to do during the day except sitting on the beach. Could be potential for getting numbers.

You could catch a van that takes you pretty close. Costs about 5 reals, and when you leave, do the same thing. It's just a long way from Copa.

I tried this place out in Jan/Feb and my experience was completely opposite of Jurgen's. I to all the major Termas that trip, and 400 was as good or better than any of them as far as quality of looks.

What's more, I was one of three guys there and about 20 women. The place is right at the beginning of Barra so it's not outrageously far (Barra goes on for miles). One of the busses will get you close or just share a taxi with a few guys.

The two occasions I went there I found the number and quality of the Garotas very good. The boite/facilities are fine. Only 'negative' was if you use a credit card for everything there is an added fee.

Barra can be far or close, depending on the day and weather. Avoid going to Barra from Copa whenever it rains or early Friday evenings during rush hours. It is just plain hell! Actually most places in Barra can be reached within about 30 minutes from Zona Sul on a normal day. Now, if you add rain, or rush hour, that can turn into 2 hours.

Was in this place on Friday. It was terrible...ended up sessioning with the best looking option who turned out to be a quasi S&M chic....then I had a few drinks afterwards. I thought it was odd the waiter was holding my card and I asked for it back. When I asked for it back he pulled out a tab and wrote R$100, I said I want my tab, not a price from you then he crosses out R$100 and writes R$75. Finally I paid the right price but the bottom line is this place is a rip-off and never let a waiter hold your drink card, always get it back and pay at the reception.

The manager told another guy I was with that Fridays is a half crew and M-Th are 2 X better...I don't know what to believe...

I believe that the claim about M-TH being better is probably accurate. This place mainly serves businessmen, and they can't convince their wives they work late on Fridays, as NO ONE in Brasil works late on Fridays. So they tend to come M-Th.

If you are going to go to 400, go on a Wed/Thur and don't go before 10pm. In my experience, it doesnt get going until later and more girls seem to come out of the woodwork when more guys enter. I went once on a Friday about 8pm and it was completely dead. We stuck around only about an 1 1/2 and headed over to Paris Cafe and Angra do Rei. Had a good time at Angra despite a tiny bar.

Why don't these places open early in the morning? These guys could stop by for a quickie on their way to work. What a great way to improve your outlook for the day?

MM

I never had a problem in this place, but some of us speak fluent Portuguese and come off as street wise just because we can converse easily.

If you are a foreign tourist, always look over your shoulder, literally sometimes. In the Rio area, tourists pay higher prices knowingly or unknowingly. The locals think this is OK for the most part.

Termas have been known to charge a higher admittance to tourists as a standard practice. Therma Centaurus does this. The attitude is, tourists should pay more than locals. They have more money.

Honesty and integrity are not anywhere close to what it is in the USA or Europe. You must always be aware of the possibility of a rip off. Even the locals must stay on their toes.

Credit card number theft is a big problem by the way. Pay in cash. I do from experience. Any employee can steal a credit card number and there are simple machines that reproduce a magnetic strip to paste on a dummy credit card.

MM, who goes to a termas for a quickie? The apartments are all up and running by 10:00 AM or so, so if you need a nooner or earlier they are the places to go.

Viking.

Besides Centaurus the other termas do NOT charge gringos higher prices. And I have never been frauded of my credit card in easily over 100 termas visits nor ever heard of another gringo being frauded his credit card. For me personally, Termas Luomo has probably added an extra drink(like a Red Bull) to my bill about 40% of time. It might happen at 4x4 too, but only when I rack up a decent bar tab. In those cases, they have always taken the drink(s) off the bill.

In fact, the thing about Rio I like a lot is the general integrity of the mainstream termas -- considering the dangers of P4P sex scene I have never been frauded, had anything stolen/robbed, mugged, and in general probably 80% of the time had good sex sessions. (Plus knock-on-wood, never contracted a nasty STD either)
I am sure over the years I probably may have paid for some extra drinks, but once at 4x4 they did not charge me for my program. So I consider it a wash.

I think most successful businesses realize employees could swipe cards -- that obviously hurts their business. I would say nowadays they all use the table-side credit card processors. It certainly much better now in that regard than years ago. It has been many years I have had a card cloned there.

http://www.praiaclub400.com.br/

Praia Club 400 changed its web address a little while ago. The program at the place is still largely the same. Open Mondays through Saturdays, but Sat. is a swing night, and only couples are admitted.

thanks for the heads up. Will make sure we hit it on Friday and not Saturday.

Good idea. If you show up on Sat. with LL, you'll get some grief.

lol, true.

Here is an excerpt from my trip report on Praia 400:

Well, at least I can can say I went to Praia 400, but I can also say I will never go back. They had us pay the entrada up front (50R). No problem, but they also wanted us to pay the entrada when we left. Also, as I just entered the cabine, they said my amigo bought me a drink. Although I already had a full drink, I didnt think that much about it, because he does that kind of thing (I am obviously not talking about LL). : )

The session was good, but I think I was just lucky (320R for one hour). Whitty said his was was so so.

So we go to check out and they charged me for the drink they said my amigo bought for me (in addition to the entrada that we alreay paid). I asked Whitty if he ordered the drink for me and he said no. They would not take it off, so they got me for the drink. There were also some other guys checking out at the same time that were really pissed and said they would never be back because they tried to fuck them too.

They also do the same thing as Centaurus with having girls sit with you up front. In other words, they try to do the picking. Fortunately our girls were the best looking of the bunch. The quality of the girls was the weakest of all the termas we have hit this trip by far.



I would never go back. AZ

AZ,

Thanks for the update. Sorry you ended up taking one for the team, but at least I will be spared the expense and aggravation when I come to Rio in July.

BD

I had the same experience as AZguy when I went in November of last year. They added all kinds of charges. I got them to remove all of them. I would not go there. It is for locals and when someone comes in with an accent, they seem to fudge the bill.

The place has come way downhill . . . my advice to everyone is to not waste your time or money . . .

Praia Club 400 is mentioned in 2010/05 Azguy - Very Brief Rio Trip Report