I will be going to Rio for the first time and plan on staying for at least a month. I plan on making many trips to Vila Vimosa and want to know if I can take bus there. How close if possible will the bus drop me of to VM.

Not sure about the bus.. But I hope you're not planning on going alone...

I'm not sure which bus it is but you can take a bus from Copacabana to VM. It will drop you off on a main ave and it is about a 5 to 7 minute walk from there.

The area outside of VM is very dangerous. I would not take a bus but would instead take a taxi, which would get you into the compound.

I am not concern how dangerous it is because i have walked the street of Compton in LA and Oakland in northern california and live to tell about it. I just plan on taking bus there and taking taxi out.

yikes.. ur a brave man... I guess you speak portuguese too..

Steelers:

Vmitself is realtively safe. The area around it is NOT, especially at night. you've walked Compton and Oakland, OK great. Tell me what you think after you've been in the tenderloin district of Rio's Centro....

Enjoy!

BS

I have yet to figure out why anyone wants to fly 5000 miles to fuck crack whores in a shantytown. I can see maybe one trip out to VM if you're in town for a month, just to view the slaughter, but not to make it a major part of your trip.

From what I read VM is where the locals goes and that is where I prefer to hang out. I live in the bay area and have been jaded on the quality and easy access of whore mongering here, that finding the diamond in the ruff at VM will be challenging. I normally do my search in Ca on WWW.sfredbook.com
Your comment CATOCONY is just a bunch of spam i find too much at CH.

Catocony: some of us here are just plain sick and perverted. Get used to it. If you canīt stand the posts, keep out of the thread.

Hey, I donīt post about how nuts I think you guys are to pay these women the money you do (oops!).
But you get what you pay for, righhhhhhht? Sure, everybody knows that!




(Message edited by bendejo on March 25, 2004)

My point stands. You've just traveled a minimum of 15 hours or so door to door. You're in an awesome city in a great country, with excellent beaches, restaurants, etc. There are thousands of women to choose from. And you want to ignore that and get a ten-dollar half and half in a shooting gallery in a nasty slum. Again, if you're in Rio for a few weeks, and you want to see how VM is, by all means, taxi out and spend a few hours. But I can't imagine it being a highlight.

Steelers, how many times have you been to Brasil? Is this going to be your first time? You're new to the board, I believe, so I don't know your history.

He said at the beginning that this was his first trip. If he plans on going there alone, it quite possibly could be his last too.

I didn't even notice the first post. If it's his first time down, then he doesn't know his way around and most likely does not speak any Portuguese. That's why I was wondering why he is dismissing the advice of people who actually go there on a regular basis.

By the way, how is my post spam? Am I advertising something?

Your so call advice is insulting and not useful at all and that is why I called it spam. You did not answer my question at all and just gave your insult as to why i want to "fuck crack whore." My best laid plan was to go there and look real hard for the diamond in the ruff and take her back to my apartment. If no diamond in the ruff, I can always go with the easy access garotas like termas or escort service. I would never do any of the girls at VM on premise because like Brazil Specialist post: no shower and just filthy linens. My spanish is decent and i am studying portugues. I am not an easy target for all these would be thugs like some
of you gringos.

Steelers, how is KidCisco doing? You guys sound alike. Are you seven-foot two and a Navy SEAL?

Please, please go to VM every day you're in town. You're doing the rest of us a favor by not taking up space elsewhere.

I hope your tuffguy routine plays out for you, and you don't end up with your head blown out in the back of a favela. If you think Compton and Oakland are tough, feel free to take the midnight favela tour on your own. Impress us all. Don't even ponder why everyone drives through some of the neighborhoods with the windows up, even though it's 90 degrees out and the car has no air conditioning. Don't worry about those little brush fires that always seem to be lit on the sides of the road in the bad neighborhoods, they don't mean a thing. Remember, the rateros won't come up to your car and put a gun to your head to get the equivelent of US $3. You're too tuff for all of that.

(Message edited by catocony on March 25, 2004)

No one asked but I'm siding with Catocony on this one. And not just on the issue of why you would travel so far to look for so little. The whole macho aspect of deliberately going into a known highly dangerous situation is something I just don't get. Lots of people drive around Oakland. I've done it. But not too many people go out of their way to hang out in the worse part of town. Especially if they obviously don't fit there.

And as far as spaming for CH goes, I also belong to Redbook (www.myredbook.com) which has the sometimes dubious honor of allowing women to actively post and even have their own threads. Mongers may be all mongers under the belt but there is a substantial difference between your typical member of a US directed site and one that goes outside of the country to look for fun. I'm not saying one or the other is better. And it's great when someone from one group tries out the pleasure spots of the other. But San Francisco/Oakland is not Rio is not Costa Rica is not TJ is not any other foreign location. And walking into a new neighborhood, any new neighborhood, with a chip on your shoulder is just an invitation to have it knocked off. And no matter how tough you are there is always someone tougher.

Seems to me looking for a "diamond in the ruff" (sic) in VM is like dumpster diving for lobster.

In VM the best you are likely to find is a barely 18 year old druggie favela rat with a 4th grade education, with at least one baby, who doesn't yet know she has an STD, and a bandido boyfriend to whom she gives her earnings.

Is that your dream girl?

Oh, and yeah, she'll be impressed too by the bus ride with you back to your $20/night hotel in Copa, you big spender, you.

SF, I don't think that Steelers understood when I used the term crack whore. I was being literal in that reference!

I know that StayAwayJoe and LAGuy frequent the place. In your nine months or so in Rio, how many times have you made it out there?

Steelers. THe locals go downtown, or to out of the way Ts and apartment type places in Boncesseso, or Caixias. The shear number of apartment type places and low-end, mid-range termas makes VM the small fish in the big pond. If you really want to find diamonds, and do it safely I recommend you explore downtown as you can visit 20 or 30 of these type of places in only a few hours. Plus, they are all open by 10 am so Monday thru Friday you can do a lot of exploring before mid afternoon when all the normal higher-end termas open.

Here is how you go about it. Start with this list (not by any means comprehensive). ALso, buy a paper and look in the back of the classifieds, there will be many more apartment and low end termas advertising there. As you walk around in Centro people will try to hand you pieces of paper. Take them. If it says "Dinero Rapido"on it throw it away. If it has a picture of a chick on it, save it because the address listed is a low-end terma you will want to check out. Here is a beginners list:
Av 13 de maio 47 apts 512, 708, 2407, 2408
Ave 13 de maio new number 2240-3153
Av Graca aranha 145 apt 609
Ave Presidente vargas 590 apt 1317
Av Presidente vargas 418 apt 303
Largo Sao Francisco 26 Apts 305, 317, 809, 905, 1505
Praca Tiradentes 13
Rua Alvaro Alvin 24 apt 801
Rua Buenos Aries 271 apt 308
Rua Buenos Aries 85, 4th and 5th floors
Rua Camerino 172
Rua Carioca 40
Rua Carioca 59 apt 401, 402, 501
Rua Conceicao 12 (upper floor)
Rua Evaristo da veiga 41, 507, 701
Rua marechal Floriano 1 (enter on Senac)
Rua marechal Floriano 143 apt 601, 1202, 1406
Miguel Couto 105 apt 825
Rua Oividor 130 apts 304, 404, 707, 911
Rua Santa Luzia 405 apts 429, 507
Rua Santa Luzia 799 apt 1104
Rua Sete de setembro 88 apte 710
Travessa do Ouvidor 37, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 6th floors

If you meet chicks you like a lot, they usually get off work by 8 pm so you can make arrangements to meet them afterwards, or have them come meet you in Copa.

BTW, you can take the bus or Metro to downtown safely. And drop the tough guy act please. My experience in downtown is that the Brazilians are all very nice and you wont have a problem. If you do find yourself in a jam, run because I dont care how tough you are, these brazilians could serve Mike Tysons head to him on a platter if they wanted too.

us the metro stop sao conrado,to the left when you leave the metro.

sao cristao sorry about that

Cat -- I've been to VM probably only 3 times, though I enjoy the place. Not for sessioning, but for the atmosphere. I have no first-hand knowledge of mongering locations in Mexico, but I've been told that VM has the same "look and feel". I like to spend a couple of hours sipping beer in VM, watching the parade. Frankly I've had problems getting others to go with me for a variety of reasons.

Steelers:

I was going to be helpful and post exactly what it is that the locals do, but SOG was kind enough to post it already, so I'll just second him. VM is NOT where most of the locals go, it's where the lowest of the low go. Not that it can't be fun in it's own way, but trust the guys on this board - don't make it the highlight of your trip, its a freak show. And, generally speaking, the VM girls will NOT go back with you to your hotel - they are strictly controlled by their "pimps" (not neccesarily a guy) and not allowed to wander "off site" (I've tried....). For those few that will leave VM with you, I'd be very, very suspicious that she's going to rip you off. Bottom line - VM is good for the freakshow, thats about it. Have a beer or three, grab some ass, and if you absolutely MUST, then have yourself a quickie with 3 rubbers...

You're absolutely right that a trip to Rio doesn't have to be just about TA, Help, and Termas. Although it's a good way for a beginer to start, you are perfectly welcome to jump into the "deep end," SOG gave you the roadmap and there are other posts on this board giving more details. The low-rent apts and terminhas are the way to go. Nevertheless, despite the flaming between Cato and you, he does have a point - what is the cost/benefit ratio of travelling all that way, spending all that money, to go search for a "diamond in the rough" at a zillion little walk-ups in the Centro? Not that it isn't a fun afternoon diversion, but why waste your time? You will have more than enough to keep you busy at TA and Help, and if you get bored of that, call the better escort services, or pull a girl out of the Termas. Besides, going to Rio and not going to a Terma is like going to Rome and not visiting the Colliseum.

So, you're welcome to ignore all this advice, but no-one is giving you bad advice with bad intentions. We were all newbies once, and CH is one of the few boards that treats newbies well, especially if they have a good attitude and are willing to listen.

Enjoy Rio!

BS

I'm not saying I'm siding either way, or I find much in the desire of making VM my primary local of choice... (haven't been, but I'd like to see what it's all about)...

But the argument of 'all that time and miles' is so irrelevent. Some people LIKE to fly. Personally, I love it. Airplanes are downright cool I think, and I'm a very frequent flyer. And if you're rich (I'm not), flying is a joy. Drinks, movies, quiet time for reading... special priviledges like private checkin and private xray machines/check points...

As for the time involved, even if you find the travel time unpleasant, if one is spending a month, or six, in a place, then why not check out many places.

Note all the guy said was he planned to go to VM much. He never said that he wasn't planning on hitting the regular spots. I interpretted his first post to read "wow, there so much info here on the common places that I have no need to ask about them... even if I'll hit them often, but, what about VM which I want to know about."

Just an opposing view. Thumbs up to SOG on his post.

You know, youre' right. I reread Steeler's original post, he says he's staying for a month. Plenty of time to do everything. The real problem when traveling isn't money or flights - it's TIME. When you've only got a week or two, stupid togo very far off the beaten track. But in a month! Hell, he'll have is own live-in girlfriend by then... Still, VM is no picnic, nor would it be most guy's first (second or third) choice for a hang-out spot.

BS

SOB is one cool guy, although during our next festa I hope to see less of him.

In case no-one else noticed, Steelers also started a thread about whether there are garotas in Brazil who do bare back full-service sex. There is something wrong with this picture. I tend to agree we may be dealing with something like Kid Cisco's reincarnation.

SOG: How up to date would you say your list is? I ask because I was in Rio a couple of months ago and Travesa Ouvidor 37 then only had one floor open. I may be in Rio in a week or so, so my question is motivated by more than passing interest. If you could let us know which of the locations you listed have been visited recently, or about which you have recent information, it would help.
Also, any recent Vanessa sitings (if I remember correctly you visited her awhile back after one of my posts about her)?

Thanks alot for the very detail information SOG. I am too adventorous for my own good sometime so I will take your your advice and check out the apartments. Probably after checking out VM once i might not think it is worth the risk. In all my years of mongering i only had BBFS only twice and it was with the same girl that i know for years and she is clean. Half the fun is knowing that it is available if you want it. My small head have only overide my bigger head twice. I did not mean to come across as a guy with a chip on my shoulder. Just trying to make a point that i have been in very tough neighborhood and can handle myself. But i am on vacation and don't want to tempt fate by messing around in the wrong neighborhood either.
By the way SF Hombre mongering in the bay area aint cheap so i can do without your insinuation.

Steelers --

The only insinuation I intended dealt with what seemed like an outrageously headstrong attitude in your posts. But...I'm not on this board to slam folks who are big enough to learn. Have a great time in Rio.

Laguy, Vanessa is at 333 Rua Buenos Aires. I have not visited there. She called me a few weeks ago to let me know she was moving over there. It is a terma that opens at 2 pm. ONe of these days I will walk down there.

You are correct, Travessa Ouividor is open on 1 floor and they are using the 6th floor rooms. Looks like they are doing renovation on the other floors...I took the stairs once and saw the work going on.

I havent visited all on the list...but most. I do so randomly when I happen to be near one. Yesterday I walked into Sete Septembro 205/205 and quickly left. It was the worst lineup I have ever seen in an apartment type place...trust me, you dont want to see it yourself. Maggots were crawling out the front door nauseated at what they were seeing.

Thanks for the nice list, SOG. I second your recommendation. While anyone spending a full month in town should probably see VM, the comments are right on target. It's not where "the locals" go, it's where the poorest of the locals go. That doesn't, in and of itself, make the place either bad or dangerous. It's just the lower end of the low end of the P4P scene.

And, Steelers, do take Laguy's advice about the area around VM...it IS bad. Even badasses are vulnerable when four kids with guns decide they don't like you. I know Compton (lived there until I was 18), and the toughest parts of Compton are Disneyland by comparison to the bad parts of Rio.

Anyway, Steelers, have a great time! BTW, when are you heading to Rio?

SOG

how up to date is the list? looks quite a maior compendium. Where did you get it from? David??

what do you know about Caxias and Bonsucesso? never got any addresses from there. Also not sure if it is safe enough there .......

Steelers

if you walked the Ghetto streets in the US, great. You probably grew up there and know all about the aread.

Would you recommend a recent arrival from China or Sweden to take a walk in the ghetto too????? Get real!!!! Speak like a local, look like a local, know all the locals, then you try, and even then it is risky!!