Last night the civil police had a small raid at Help around 12:30. They came in and turned off the music, turned on the lights and told everyone that they were looking for minors.

After about 15 minutes it became apparent that they were not looking for minors because the assholes started to search every single American black male in Help. They took each one to the side and searched us from head to toe, asking if we had drugs on us. I was so pissed off I felt like knocking the police officer out. (By the way, I fucking hate cops, foreign and domestic!!)

Not one white tourist was touched while they were conducting their investigation. After about 1 hour they let the DJ turn the music back on and they left. They found nothing!! It was the most blatant racist thing I have ever seen directed towards Americans in the 7 years that I have been traveling to Rio.

So, let me get this straight. You make a prejudicial statement (By the way, I fucking hate cops, foreign and domestic) and then state in your next paragraph, "the most blatant racist thing...".

So, how are you any different? You seem as prejudice as those cops that night.

RJ

RJ

What's behind this? Is this a case of racial profiling in Rio? Should black american tourist be alarmed?

RJ makes a very valid point. You can't generalise about policemen and then complain about their prejudices. I think police do an important and unenviable task in most countries, particularly in Brasil.

Having said that what they did was wrong, but what do expect from Rio policemen the politically correct touchy-feely approach? FWIW, on visits to both Trinidad and Jamaica I've been goaded in bars with comments such as "honky" and "white boy". When you travel in other countries sometimes unpalatable shit happens and the best approach is to to shrug it off. Punching a Rio policemen would not be a good idea.

Wrt racial profiling this may well be true and that's wrong. However, some of your fellow travellers have hardly helped your cause. When O Globo ran an expose on hooker beach a couple of years back some black americans not only were happy to brag to the reporter about having the sex with the girls but had pictures taken on the beach. Better to keep a low profile IMO rather than fuelling people's prejudices.

Finally I recently read a piece about an Irish writer who was arrested in Rio after a bar fight in the early 80s. Even though he wasn't involved in the fight he and 3 other gringos were arrested. In the jail they were then gang raped by the military police so many times they lost count. All suffered long-term psychological damage with 2 I believe committing suicide after they were released from prison.

An extreme example perhaps, and what happened to you was still wrong, but FAR worse things have happened to tourists in Rio.

Note to self: no bar fights.

Cant we stop making up excuses for cops? They are Mostly morons, wherever you may go. It takes a moron to accept that type of job, same goes for soldiers I don't wanna offend anyone ,but cops are usually horrible people ,and they wear mustaches like its part of the uniform. ,BTW anything that requires a uniform is a worthles enterprise ,police brutality is alive and well everywhere , you cant blame the fact that they have a difficult job for the way they behave, they are just usually ignorant, fuck ups who want a decent paying job with benefits and then the power goes to their head. Lets get real it takes a rare breed to be a cop ,PS I dont wanna offend anyone so if you are a cop and you are reading this ,It doesnt pertain to you

LarryD, nice try at a wind-up post but I doubt will bite.

whats a wind up post?

Larry, when you go out of your way to start a flame fest, by either being insulting or just making a stupid comment, that's a wind-up post.

Insulting it was, prolly to cops. Stupid no, true yes. Just my honest opinion ,feel free to disagree and no I dont want a big long thread attacking me , I love you guys, take care.

fuck the police

Yah; Larry hates those in uniform untill his house goes up in flames or get's broken into.

larry david!
not every moron wears a uniform.
iggysca.

Roadglide,

Yeah, those firefighters can be real assholes. Those fuckers who fix the streets? They can all go to hell. And teachers, don't get me started on those cocksuckers. Shit, I think we should just do away with all municipal and public sector employees and live in Mad Max-style tribal compounds

How do we feel about Boyscout and Girlscout troop leaders? They are in uniform. Give me some guidance...should I hate those fuckers?

GCL,
You should probably hate the Boy Scout and Girl Scout troops more than the troop leaders, especially if the troops are wearing badges on their uniforms (I assume they still wear uniforms, but then again, maybe with all the hate directed at them they decided to abandon the uniforms). Without the troops, there would be no uniformed troop leaders (aka fuckers) to hate, and the problem would be solved.

I dont hate people in uniform. But I do tend to be a little skeptical when it comes to people with mustaches. Sorry if you guys dont agree but hey we cant all agree on everything

All cops aren't morons, just as all mongers aren't pervs.

One of the most dangerous things we do is condemn an individual because they belong to a group before we understand what their unique charactoristics are.

The Rio police administrators that told the cops to round up the black guys in Help were totally wrong.

Larrydavid is wrong for condemning all cops.

I've had bad experiences with some cops. But the best person I've met in Brazil is a cop from Boston. Excellent hombre, someone I consider a friend.

Forget about the cops, for now. Was this a case of targeting black americans in Rio? What's the deal here??

If you hate cops, next time you're in trouble, call a hommie. Racial profiling? Looks like it but don't jump to conclusions. They were looking for something specific and didn't find it. Usually this happens if they get a tip that doesn't work out.

If they came in and said: "Ok people, were here only to search the black patrons, not the white ones, just the black ones." would that have made you feel better? I don't think so.

Not much anybody can do if you "hate" everyone in uniform, sounds like a personal problem to me.

I hear a lot of crap about how shitty the system is but I don't see anyone bringing a better one forward. Also, tactics vary from country to country. It could happen any time, anywhere.

Sometimes they do this to keep people on their toes. It's called "selective enforcement."

I'm sorry to hear that you were subjected to this experience. You may not have been the target but that's what happens when the cops have only a "general description" to go by. Maybe someone reported a theft or assault by "a black guy" who may have been in that club. They were probably looking for a specific item.

Maybe next time it will be all the white guys. Blacks have too much to be proud of to let something like this ruin their day. So don't let it ruin yours.

Country John

Really guys, since Brasil is majority black/mullato and most of the cops are mullato, why do you even think this was a "racial profiling", which is a term only used in the US? This wasn't Billy Bob, Jethro and Cletus-style white country-cops, was it?

I agree with John, they probably got a tip off the street that something was happening at Help that night and took action. If the news was about a black American, then they are going to search black Americans. That only makes sense, right?

Larrydavid writes: "I dont hate people in uniform. But I do tend to be a little skeptical when it comes to people with mustaches. Sorry if you guys dont agree but hey we cant all agree on everything"

LMFAO...and now it's people with mustaches???

That God most people won't agree with your fucking simplistic, moronic thoughts.

RJ

RJ, let me put it this way so you can understand me. I do have a couple of friends who are cops and they are great people, but the majority of police who I have dealt with are egotistical assholes.

I dont think I am alone in how I feel. If you poll 100 black men and asked them about there dealings were with the police, I can almost gurantee that at least 90 of them will report negative experiences. From being questioned for "fitting the description", to being stopped for driving a nice car, being beaten up by police etc....

Now if you ask 100 white men about their experiences with the police, I bet you would get drastic differences in the answers. Most of my white friends consider it negatve if they get stopped for running a red light or for speeding. They are shocked when I tell them what police have done to me or my family members/friends.

When white guys get pulled over by the police, they are worried about getting a ticket, when a brother gets pulled over, he is worried about being shot! Its not an exaggeration, every brotha has the "Am I going to come out of this alive?" thought when he has to deal with the police.

I am white and got a DUI which I deserved about 10 years ago. I told a black friend about it and he said he has at least 10 DWB's. I asked what the hell is that. He said, "driving while black."
Pulled over for concocted reasons.

Thumper,

Thanks for breaking it down into simpler terms for me.

If we were to substitute 'blacks' for 'cops', I wonder how it would play out? For example: I do have a couple of friends that are black and they are great people, but the majority of blacks that I've dealt with are egotistical assholes.

How about: If you poll 100 white men and asked them about there dealings were with blacks, I can almost gurantee that at least 90 of them will report negative experiences.

Thumper, I'm not trying to minimize your personal experiences with the cops, nor those of your family. I could stand on any corner in So Central LA, asking the black vs. cops question and get damn close to 100 of them reporting negative experiences with the police. I might have a tougher time getting those numbers in other parts of the country however. And I'd bet I could reverse it in Encino, asking the white vs. black question. I could go to County Jail and ask 100, blacks, 100 whites, 100 Asians, and a 100 homosexuals if they'd have a bad experience with cops, and I'd get pretty close to a 100 percent response. It's all relative to where you're standing. These sorts of polls are meaningless. And, BTW, it doesn't account for the black cops (!).

It's dangerous when we paint people with such a wide brush. And that's exactly what you did when you started this thread. You can't bitch about prejudice and racism and then make prejudicial remarks in the same breath. It's just not credible.

Assholes are assholes. They come in every color, size and profession. I still do believe they are in the minority though.

RJ

I think it's a self-fulling prophecy. If the person pulled over or questioned dislikes or fears cops or is nervous, the cop will assume he/she is a suspect and go into hardass mode (which cops are supposed to do). This in turn leads to the person pulled over to be even more distrustful or fearful of cops, and they tell their friends, so on and so on.

I get pulled over for speeding probably once a year, but I only get a ticket maybe 20% of the time. If it's night I turn on the dome/map lights, I have my driver's license ready and put on a smile. When they ask if I knew how fast I was going, or "do you know why we pulled you over, blah blah blah blah" I pretty much tell the truth - I was going about (real speed minus 2-3 mph) after I sped up to (get around a truck, avoid an erratic driver, etc) and never bothered to slow back down.

Usually, if you're honest with them, are polite, keep the bullshit to a bare minimum and don't get an attitude (everyone's speeding, why did you pull me over) as long as you are under 20 MPH over the speed limit, you have a better than even chance of getting let go with a warning.

Now, the only time I've gotten into a shouting match with a cop was an airport cop at National Airport. I was pulling out of the parking garage around midnight and rolled through a stop sign that had just been put up (this was back in 1997 when they were rebuilding the joint and construction was all over the place). A BLACK cop pulls me over and asks if I knew what I did. I assumed my usual, speeding, but I didn't think I really was, so I said "I guess I hit the gas a little heavy on the ramp coming out of the garage"

The cop gets an amazing attitude - "how stupid do you think I am? What kind of bullshit are you trying?" Now, I have no fucking clue what the beef is, then he says "I know you saw the stop sign". Honest to God, I had no clue a stop sign was at the exit of the garage, which is what I told him. I wasn't playing dumb, I really didn't know. The guy then proceeds to start bitching at me for "lying" to him and I got pissed off and said "well, write me a ticket and I'll be on my way" He then replies that I'll be on my way when he damn well feels like it, then bitches some more about how "you people" - i.e. us white devils, no doubt - think we can get away with things. The last thing I said was "so, are you going to write me a ticket, or can I get going". He said something I didn't completely hear then said "next time I pull you over, I won't be so nice" and said that I was free to go.

Completely stupid on his part, but who knows, maybe he had a bad day.

One time up in New Hampshire, I was caught doing 80 in a 55 - in the rain, no less. A New Hampshire state trooper pulls me over and I pull out my business card - my company at the time was one of the largest employer in the state and the rumor was, if you said you worked for XYZ, the cops would let you go. So I figure, I'll give it a try.

The cop comes up, asked if I knew how fast I was going, I say 78 and I was in a rush, I had just left training at Pease (true) and was in a rush to get to Logan Airport before the evening rush kicked in (very true). He didn't even look at my drivers licence or car rental agreement. He took my business card, called HR at my company (I verified this the next day!), verified that I worked there and was out of the DC office and most likely in town for training, comes back to the car, hands me my business card back and says "the speed limit on I-95 in Portsmouth NH is 55 MPH, have a nice day".

I like cops!

I hate black cops with mustaches

No more feeding the clowns.

LD is just starting flame wars and wasting our time.

No I really am not,I am prejudice when it comes to cops,they are assholes until they prove otherwise . Thats my opinion. Same goes for mustaches, Sorry but I feel Im allowed .

I think the problem with these issues is that everybody generalizes. You, me, we all do. So, if a member of a group acts in a certain way (particularly negative way), we tend to condemn the whole group.

So it's easy for me to say I hate cops when I'm leaving my job at a hospital in a predominantly white area at 3am, and a cop pulls me over suspecting that I've stolen my nice new car. Even though I'm scared, wondering what this white cop with a gun (who probably hates my black ass)is gonna do to me at 3am, I kinda understand it. The guy has probably had a few run-ins with black men who've not only stolen cars, but look just like me; so, naturally he has formed an opinion. I mean, when I go to Rio next week, and I see a couple of arabic speaking guys boarding, you think I'm not gonna want them to be racial profiled? But still, it doesn't stop me from being pissed. Catocony stated he gets a ticket only 20% of the time. Well for me, it's only 20% of the time I don't get a ticket. And yes, I'm polite, I admit my wrong doing, and I'm cooperative, but the asshole throws the book at me anyway. And then he says "have a nice day." AArrgggggg... I have to pay $2,600 a year for insurance because these assholes have formed an opinion about me, a black man, based on past experiences with other black men. I tell my broker, a white woman, about this, and she says cops always let her go. hummm... I wonder why?

Now we come to Rio, and they're pulling the racial profiling shit down there. Again, being a black man, I'm pissed about it, but I have to honestly say I'm not surprised. Why? Because the niggas act like knuckleheads down there! I've seen it, been witness to it, and embarassed by it. A black friend of mine told me that the fools are gonna fuck shit up down there like they did in the states. And sure enough, it's happening. So my advice to those who are bothered by it, would be to just accept it. There's nothing you can do about it, and the Rio police aren't gonna play any politically correct, your race has been maligned bullshit. They'll throw your ass in a brazilian jail so quick it'll make your head spin.

Please forgive my bluntness, but it's how I feel.

Shaft

John,

Very true, on all accounts. The only thing I can recommend to black mongers heading to Rio is, just try and chill out a bit and take it easy. We're all going there to fuck whores, but please don't advertise the fact from the time you get to airport in the US!

I have traveled all over the globe and I have never seen some of the stuff I've seen on Rio flights - guys with boom boxes going, guys talking fairly loudly about Meia Petaca, Help and other places, guys passing Bwana Dik's guide and other Hombre's trip reports and discuss threads around - anywhere else. That's not a race issue, it's more a "be a little discreet" issue.

And, this goes for everybody but sometimes (always) needs to be reinforced - when you're in Brasil, YOU'RE NOT IN THE UNITED STATES ANYMORE. Things that a blatenly illegal are may not be there (arrest without cause, non-random pat-down searches like the one at Help, etc). When in Rome, do as the Romans do. I have at least one conversation on every trip outside the US, regardless of the location, where some American says something along the lines "he/she/it/they can't do that, it's illegal". Hey, maybe it's not, and unless you know 100% you don't know 1%, so watch your back and be careful.

Good point. I think all us mongers, white or black, could be a little more discreet about what we're doing down there. It really creates hostility among the Brazilians when you pretty much advertise that you are down there to bone their women.

Great point catacony

I travel constantly for work and when I go to Brasil, I look the same as if I was on a business trip - notebook bag, standard roll-on, regular clothes. It does make a difference. I was talking to a couple of flight attendents on my last flight and they were quite amused at the "sex tourists" on board. Remember, the hostility can be on the plane, with the crew, other passengers who are going down for business or vacation, etc.

Bottom line, you always want to look your best. No need to advertise your true intentions....this doesn't mean to wear a suit and tie on the way down, dress normally, but just keep the monger chatter to a minimum, or none at all if possible.

What's this got to do with getting pussy?

Turk5555, KidCisco, Bammer, Basilio, or whatever your name is:
Got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Who cares what the flight attendants think? They're the ones whose job it is to bring me stuff, not impose their morality on my ass.

SF

If you do it right you FUCK the FA before you even LAND. Helluva way to start a vacation...

E

Epi -- I've been flying waaay too many US based carriers. I do remember some FAs on foreign airlines as being worthy, but the age discrimination laws in the US have resulted in a bunch of grandmas on the US to Rio route.

Somehow, too, I have not been successful with foreign FAs. Maybe I shouldn't introduce myself by asking if they are 3 holers. I dunno. Think I should instead inquire whether they are a cherry girl??

It's not the age discrimination laws - it's that the cost structures of the big carriers have forced them to lay-off huge quantities of their FA staffs to compete, and in addition have forced concessions (e.g. paycuts, hours) on the staff remaining. Given layoffs are based on seniority (in the most part) and the younger staff have better paying opportunities elsewhere, that leaves the hags to remain. Oh, and the young gay dudes- hahahaha.

Epi-Mile high travel relief? That would certainly help out the airlines current financial difficulties (maybe not with the grandmas on US carriers though)and have us well sated upon landing....he he! Did hear about one flying bordello, I think in England or somewhere but not much lately.

But, I like the way you think!!!

SM/FL/SF

I fly a Taiwan based airline and so I get young, fun FAs that are decent looking at their worst and HOT on occasion. Yeah the Chinese girls are not all breathtaking, but they are a less then half the age and a LOT cuter then the 60 year old ladies flying the unfriendly skies here in the US.

Actually got some phone numbers from various FAs, but haven't bothered once in country as I tend to get consumed by the action once in SEA. The thought of free box (or some mile-high action) is compelling, once on the ground in SEA the thought of entertaining a lady for an evening and possibly NOT getting laid is just not an option...

E

Another problem is the U.S. carriers give the most "senior" flight attendants their choice of routes, at least that is my understanding. The long international routes are preferred because they get their hours out of the way in one flight rather than having to fly alot of short routes to put in their hours. Not only do you end up with old flight attendants, you often end up with those who are sick of their jobs. In contrast, I recently heard that in order to be an actress, newscaster, etc., in Singapore, it is required a female first spend a year as a flight attendant on Singapore Air; anyone else hear this?

As Moondog would certainly attest, flight attendent crews are pretty much either hags or fags. About the only flight attendents under the age of 40 appear to be gay guys. I got used to skyhags years ago when I used to practically live on Northwest flights into and around Asia but these days, it's not uncommon to see an entire crew of cranky, gray-haired women working a plane.

Whatever happend to Hooters Airlines? Low cut tops, and tight ass shorts along with hot wings and cold beer.

Now that would make a long flight enjoyable again.

The one time when I was pretty sure I could have hit it off with a FA (female, that is -- I will not comment on the Air France veado who fawned over me) was on a flight to Rio. I was already salivating over the the thoughts of how I would spend my first 12 hours there, so Miss Wide-Hips, who I knew would be the playful type, was off the radar.
I did spot a middle-aged blonde NWA FA with very nice legs (hey, senior citizens need love too ). She didn't notice me checking her out until I was leaving the plane, and she looked back at me in a way that said she was not unappreciative; oh well, that trans-Pacfic flight could have been more interesting...

the main reson most of the the FA are hags is due
in part to the cut backs most US airlines have been doing in the last few years. The young ones have all been laid off leaving the the old hags.

When are people going to accept the fact that profiling exsists, right or wrong it exsists.

Deal with it people, we are invading thier country to bang thier woman, deal with or don't go back!