I also forget don't wear nfl shirts or you might be thought as a gringo.

thx... and i dont wear sandals nor nfl shirts =)

What is the action at Help from Sunday through Thursday?? Of course the weekend is going to be best, but what is like on weekdays?

In my opinion, it's better on non-Friday/Saturday nights, because it's a little less crowded.

But, the same girls are there. After you've been down a few times, you start to recognize the regular garotas, and there are a lot of regulars.

During low season, Help is best during the weekend Fri-Sun with Sun my favorite as several terma girls show up, escpecially hotties from Centaurus. If you got game, every day can be good, quite a few semi pros on short tour of duty. In May, the ratio was basically 3 girls for each guy. I usually do not like Help, this time I loved it and thought it was more interesting than termas. I consider myself picky but Help on any given night had 10 to 20 hotties while termas had basically none except for Centaurus.

Game? I dont get it ,you need game in help is there that many regular girls?

100 dollars should be enough game

and blue eyes for the non pros is plenty of game

$100 is too much, and you would only go that high if you had zero game!

I must admit bwana,I payed R300, on my 1st night I pulled 1 girl out of that place and didnt bargain my friend did the same ,I ended up fucking his girl also as he did mine ,but we still payed 600 total.

the other times I was at help I got duplas and they were both R400. I have to negotiate next time . I really dont see where game comes in ,I dont wanna use game down there, money is easier

Yes, sometimes the little head takes over when that stunning garota is licking your ear while whispering "tres cento reais." Still, it's always better to negotiate.

"Game" is generally irrelevant. It can come into play with respect to the price you negotiate and the services you are able to get for a certain price. I've been told by many, many garotas that their asking price reflects their feelings toward a guy. If he's a guy they can imagine fucking for free he'll get a better price than if he's a guy they wouldn't be seen in the same room with were it not for her need for income. For most garotas, there's a break-even point between their need for money and their preferences regarding companions. If a garota won't go below 300, I assume she really doesn't want to be in my company, so it's best to find someone else. (I could tell the story about Layne and the micro-spinner here, but I won't). And some garotas simply won't go with a guy they don't think has a certain amount of game.

All of which is why some guys prefer the termas and escort services, since price is never dependent upon how you look or how much game you have. But even in these cases these things can affect the quality of the services you get. Most guys I know have gotten the ol' RTF experience at least once.

gotcha, yeah I actually never asked price while in help except for duplas, and I had a few repeats sometimes fre sometimes I just gave them 300 cause I liked them and wanted to.

In talking to the2 girls from day one the next morning ,they said that they would rather sleep with a old unatractive man for 200 than an attractive guy for 100, if it was only for money they would not give a huge discount based on looks. they said if they really liked the guys they would do it for free.

cough cough bullshit cough cough...

The day a GP turns down a handful of reals to fuck a guy for free is the same day everyone can start drinking the tap water down there.

Cat; Cut poor larry some slack here, after all he thinks Fahrenheit 9/11 is the holy grail.

Im sorry you misunderstood, not that we pulled hookers out of help for free, we hung out with girls after our initial help encounter who humped for "free" (dinner, drinks at regular clubs) and when I tried to give them $$ they pretended to get offended actually refused to take it and said we were friends now and she doesnt expect payment,I still talk to her to this day.

Im sure alot of dudes get laid for free maybe not by termas girls ,but semi pros - non pros arent hard.

Im not bragging I love all you guys except for a few conservatives and I think I was just misunderstood, But thats what the ladies said, they dont wanna be humping anyone so if they must they will go for the cash not the good looking man , if it was about wanting to fuck attractive men they would do it for free. thats what they said and Im not making it up. and I didnt fuck the one that said that for free

After a lot of times in Help this year,i think 300 Reais is the first-request price at the moment for most programas.
Normally you can negotiate them down to 150 to 200.
Just a few stunners don´t agree.

First, no disrespect to anyone, but anyone paying R300 for a night with a Help girl not only has no game (game being either/both personality or/and ability to speak and negotiate) but is also raising the prices for the rest of the place (meaning all others).

Hey, some people like to show off (to the girl, to other dudes), some like to show their niceness by giving extra money, some like to avoid any negotiation... but let's not fool ourselves - R300 is overpaying whatever one's resoning is.

I payed 300 at help my first night ,and my reasoning was I wanna get out of here and get laid and not nickel and dime this girl in this noisy club over 17-35 bucks . and I got to fuck both her and her friend for 300. I agree with flhobbyer about raising prices but its just hard for me to negotiate before the sex, Im new at this shit it kind of kills the mood for me.but I got better at it as the trip progressed. next time I wont pay a help girl more than 200 ,its important to keep prices down

Larry,

I didn't mean to say bullshit to you, I'm sure that's what the GPs told you, as I've heard it before. My bullshit was aimed towards any garota who makes that comment.

Sure, all girls fuck someone for free, even the hardest of the hard core, but if they're sitting at Terraco and Prince Charming is sitting at one table but has nothing in his pockets but lint, and at the next table is the ugliest monger you've ever seen but he's waving a fist full of 50-real bills at them, well, we all know which table they're going to sit down at.

exactly, catacony

I was at the Terraço one night and this very handsome young Italian stud was at the next table interviewing the steady stream of girls stopping by to check him out. The girls would all chat with him for a couple of minutes and then leave. Curious, I asked him what was going on. He said, somewhat indignantly, "These girls all want money, and I NEVER pay for sex." I laughed my ass off. There may have been several places in Rio he could go and get laid for free, but not in front of the largest Putaria in Latin America.

Yes, Help is best for those that kind of like that game - or let's say don't mind it as much as others - the noise, crowd, club atmosphere, chase, etc.

But if you want numbers (and some say to get quality you need quantity) - no place beats Help!

My cousin misinformed me about garota prices when he introduced me to Rio. Since then I learned (from CH) to negotiate, and I've had a running argument with him. He says it's only fair to these poor deprived girls to give them US$100 at least, and doesn't care that he's raising the bar for the rest of us. Fucking bleeding heart l....

Hunterman,

I just hope he's your cousin by marraige and not by blood

If you want, the next time you two are in town together, let us know in advance and we'll arrainge a deprogramming session for him. Explain that the average Help garota makes more in a month than the majority of Brasilians, that sort of thing.

If reasoning doesn't take, then we could all just beat the shit out of him for being an idiot.

Some of them make more in a day than most Brazilians in a month

Larrydavid...I gotta get your back on this one...trust me if you see "THE ONE" and she is not coming off R300...you only live once my friend...splurge the extra $33..I damn sure do...I am not traveling 5000 miles to save $33 if it takes me from a 9/10 girl...as you know help has a shitload of 5-7's who maybe very sweet, but to find a 9/10 inside help who is also sweet...flame my big ole butt, cause I will pay it everytime...

and as always ..yes there are exceptions to all basic rules...ie.. there are some stunners there for R150...and some stuck up babes for R300 or more...

Hey Layne the talent at help this week was great. I agree why fuck around for $33 here or there when what really counts is HAPPINESS. Hurry back down buddy. - Hemp

Gentlemen, there are girls in Rio who I gurantee make more money in a year, than the majority of guys on this board!!

I know girls who can make between $250-400US per day, also, you have to rememebr that these girls DO NOT PAY TAXES! So their take home is around 60-70 grand a year. Thats a well paying 6 figure job in the states.

Damn - when are women gonna start paying for sex so I can make that much? shit - I know, the day we can all start drinking the tap water in Brazil like Catacony said..shit I would fuck a Brasileira w/ big tatas for 10 dollars like Deuce Bigalow did <grin>

Hey now, I said the day the garotas pick a freebie over a real is the day it's safe to drink the water. The day the garotas start paying us
is the day after everyone has drank tap water. Or, perhaps that would be a sign that the garota has spent too much time in Help breathing in those rancid fumes coming from carpet by the back bar and they have completely lost their senses.

Cat, I've reasoned with my cousin (yes, it's by blood). And reasoned. I've come close to using force, especially when he gives a C-note for an afternoon quickie.

I'd welcome the help ganging up on him. We'll be there around Thanksgiving for a month.

Gentlemen, there are girls in Rio who I gurantee make more money in a year, than the majority of guys on this board!!

Possibly but they're not GPs.

Sorry Thumper but I don't buy those figures. $70K a year is $250 a day 300 days of the year i.e. 6 days out of 7 ALL year round. A GP might make $15-20k on a busy 3 month stay in one of Europe's more lucrative capitals but not in Rio IMO. Or have you been throwing your money around in a superexpensive uberbrothel that you haven't told us about?

The argument that a 9-10 in Help requires more money than a 6-7, in all cases, is false, IMO.

Just because she's a 9-10 (in one's ratings - for me I've never seen a 10 in there, as much as I LOVE the place) doesn't mean you have to pay more for here - there isn't that much correlation between how hot she is and how much over the going rate a *rich* gringo decides to pay her.

Not that I'm saying sweat over $33, if you want to use your money that way - but to me it's no different than walking into a department store and saying "I'm not going to sweat over a little more money, I'm on vacation, I'll pay more than that sticker price (ie. market price, going rate)!"

I've paid more than the standard R150-200 on few occasions, when I've had to or been compelled to... but to do it frequently is just not what I think is proper... It's not about $33, it's about one's behavior.

I did see a couple of tens there in Help, but they were never alone. They seem to have have entered the place with there customer, rich executive type looking guys. I wonder where they meet these girls and what they are playing.

Trust me Ardgneas, there are GPs who make that type of money, I know about 3 or 4 of them who are loaded! I wish I knew how to post a pic, I would show you a perfect example of a "rich" garota de programma; Medina. (we call her "funky cold Medina" She looks like a cross between Malibu Barbie and Pamela Anderson.

She easily gets between $300-500US per night by the Italians, thats without working during the daytime. She owns 2 apartments, she bought a house for her mother and she owns a home in Buzios. I know she has a couple of sugardaddies who send her 2 or 3K per month, in addition to the money that she makes working in Help.

I think we need to stop thinking of these working girls as poor, they make ALOT more money that most other women in Rio. Most of these girls make in 1 or 2 nights, what other girls have to work a full month to earn. I bet every man on this board would love to have a job that pays them in one night, what they normally make in a month!!

And get laid in the process?!

It's like I say everytime I enter Help on a happening night, "The only way this place could get any better is if they were paying me!"

I am sure that there are GPs that make serious bank. There are definitely many that do quite well by Brazilian standards.

There is a general flaw in your argument Thumper. You are basically comparing someone with a low level job to someone with a very high paying job. The same disparity does exist here. You don't have to be making a ton of money to be making in two days what a clerk at a local Gap is making.

I definitely share FLhobbyers view. It is not about the extra $33, it is the general principle of the thing. R$300 dinheiro de mais para sexo.

Quite well by brasilian standards? No, they are making BIG money by brasilian standards! Look up Claudinha on Karla Models, I think she used to make 90 centavos an hour when she worked at McDonalds. How many women have you met in Brasil who had high paying jobs? Men yes, women no. I've never met a women who made 2-3000R a week, who wasn't working in Help.


Perfect example: My ex-fiancee (From Curitiba)graduated from a really good university and had a high position in a bank. Bet you cant guess how much this college education required, 10 hour a day position in CitiBank paid her? 700R a month!! Thats it! I've seen Help girls throw away 700R buying a couple of outfits on a shopping spree in Gang.

Example 2: Lets say you have a "low paying job" at Burger King. Whats minimum wage now? $5/hr? You work 40hr = $200 bucks. Multiply that by 4, now you have $800 a month. Now imagine you get a job that pays you $800 a day (remember, the Help girls make in one night what most low wage girls make in one month), you work 5 days a week, you now bring home $4000/week. That means you would clear almost $16K per month, TAX FREE!!! I highly doubt if more than 5% of the guys on this board bring home more than 16K per month after taxes.

Obviously, this is not a perfect mathmatical example. Sometimes the girls dont work 5 days a week, some girls dont get clients everyday. But relatively speaking, these girls are making a killing financially.

(Message edited by Thumper on July 04, 2004)

Thumper, I'm not going to get into an argument with as I know you're failry clued up wrt Rio.

I have to say she's talking BS. $75K is still $300 a night 250 days of the year i.e 5 nights a week. When the even the stars in Help only ask $100 I find it hard to believe. Also IME with native Italians both in Cuba and Brazil they tend to be more tight-assed than your average monger on CH. Also, assuming such a woman exist you're ascribing her earnings to all the other garotas. It's a bit like saying you're as rich as Bill Gates just because you work in computers.

My opinion is that whilst they're working as GPs a lot of the girls earn sufficient money to have a better life than your average Brazileira i.e. can afford to live in Copa, eat and go out, have the odd holiday. However they have a limited time to work as GPs before younger and prettier girls come along. This combined with little education, poor financial planning and a record of prostitution mean the future prospects for the vast majority are pretty grim. Give me my well paid job in the US or Europe anytime.

However feel free to point out the Barbie/Pamela cross next time I'm in Rio. If I'm strapped for cash I can always ask her for a loan.

Whores like this possibly get some lump-sum gifts (rich fools buying cars for showoff, etc...) from shit-for-brains throughout the year as well that might add up pretty good. Sadly, I would not be surprised if there were a few sluts that made this kind of jack down there.

Arg,

Maybe you can offer to clean one of her apartments for some food money. I'll change the fan belts out of one of her BMW's.

Pricing at Help always makes interesting discussion, IMHO it comes down to what each person is lookingt for.
I ask one guy i met how much he pays for girls from Help, he said never more than 150R, i almost fell over, i said never, he said never, that,s the going rate and i`m not overpaying. He ask me how much i paid, i said usually 300R, he almost fell over, he said 300R that`s crazy, your doing a disservice to everyone by paying that much. I must admit he did plant a seed of self doubt, maybe i am paying to much, so the next few nights in Help i watched the guy, after a few days it all made sense, the girls he was getting for 150R, there`s no way i`m paying for a ticket to Rio, taking time off work and going on vaction to be with the girls he was with, i would much rather pay 300R for the girls i had than go with his girls FOR FREE.

Well said Fooledagain1. I would say 80% of the girls there are just to plain looking or even downright ugly. It's either that they have a nice face but a terrible body, or what happens much more often a fantastic body but a disappointing face to put it mildly. I also try to avoid the obviously hardcore ones, regardless of looks.
No need to travel 1000's of miles to go with those. The point is to fine someone that you could never imagine yourself sleeping with in Real Live.
The lowest I got was 50 reais. 3 years ago. I did not speak any portuguese either.
I play now between 200 and 300 reais for an allnighter. I only do allnighters at Help. Short time is for Termas or Escort Service IMHO.
On exceptional occasions I splurge and play 150 or 200 euro, but this only happened 2 or 4 times. It was worth it most of the time.

FooledAgain1, I often take home what I think is about the hottest girl in Help on a given night for $R150 perhaps R$200.

I have to ask, do you speak any Portuguese? If you do and you pay R$300 then wake up. If you don't then take some time to learn some.

Some time give it a try, that girl that is willing to bargain a little will likely f*ck you like there is no tommorrow

I think FooledAgain1, is absolutely right! The people who are saying that they get the hottest girls in Help for $R150 to $R200 watch them carefully. The hottest girl in Help is relative. I met some of the guys on the Board who post comments like that, then I saw their women! And it all make sense! I could pay between R150 and R200 to take the woman they take. However I do not want to. I even tried a little experiment. I asked one of the guys to get a girl that I thought was the hottest girl in Help for between R150 to R200. He got a solid rejection! Case Closed! It is all relative

Beachbum2 see Prophetq response, my thoughts exactly. I`m sure the girl you got for 200R is very beautiful to you, but that doesn`t mean she has mass appeal. I`ve seen many girls that others find beautiful, they don`t have mass appeal The girls i pay 300R for are constantly being hit on by guys, that`s mass appeal which equals barginning power. These girls are not going with anyone for less than 300R. One particular girl when i ask her price she said 300R, i offered 200R she said, don`t try to negociate with me, my price is 300R, look around the club, if you want to pay 200R there are plenty of girls you can get, if you want me it`s 300R and as i walked away i realized she was 100% correct.

What you should try to do with these hotties is not reduce price but get more time (at least till 10 AM with morning session included) and also try to warm her up, this is where your having 'game' comes in handy, so that you will get a better session.
Well worth the extra 20/30 bucks IMHO.

What worked for me in Help was to walk by and just smile, get eye contact. Next thing you know she was rubbing her butt up against mine at the bar, a quick trip to the dance floor and she was humping my leg like a crazed chihuahua dog. Yeh I paid 250r for all night and most of the next morning but she was worth it to me, and thats all that should matter.

Also best to try and spend some time with the girl before you ask her "the question". If you start your conversation with her like "Hi, Whats your name? How much for all night?" Of course she is going to ask for alot of money. You would be surprised how many guys I have seen ask girls how much they want within 30 seconds of meeting her.

I usually don't even mention money until we get back to my place, I spend 1 to 2 hours talking, drinking and dancing. I have rarely had a girl ask for more than 200R, no matter how hot she was.

Hey Thumper, do you think the fact that you are young, well-built and handsome, and speak Portuguese pretty well might have something to do with the fact that you're getting R$150 to R$200 prices, while an old guy like me--you met me, you know I'm towards the other end of the looks scale (maybe the middle ;-})--who struggles to speak Portuguese, and cannot understand it yet, might have to pay R$250 (or R$300 for the hotties)?

Hunterman--- Not my experiences at Help. The guy i mentioned in my other post who gets girls for 150R, he was tall, fairly good looking, very smooth and personable and spoke the language, yet the girls he got for 150R i wouldn`t fly to Rio and do them for free. I thought maybe it was just me so the next few nights at Help i watched his girls and they were very rarely ever approach by anyone, they left alone more than not, is it any wonder she went with him for 150R ? Some of the girls i paid 300R for it took me days, yes days before i could even talk with the girl, they were constantly approached by guys and grabbed very quick and early in the night, is it any wonder they can get 300R ? The girls i paid 300R for were approached more in 1 hour than the girls he got for 150R were approached in many days. It`s simple suppy and demand economics.

Hunterman, most often, I'd tend to agree with you regarding age, appearance, language skills, and game being variables in one finding a R300 vs. R200 price with the same girl.

I know there are a some hotties that simply don't go for R200, that they instead go home alone if they can't find someone to pay them say R300 (not that they go home very often - there's plenty ready to pay R300 or 100euros).

In those few cases, I too have paid R250, but negotiated that the session would go until 10a or 11a (not until "morning") and would inlcude much sex. Language and game are required to keep such a negotiation fun versus creating bad vibe.

Thx for the compliment Humterman. I think the reason why I have had so much luck is because I try to make the encounter a fun experience for the girls. We both know that she is working, but thats no reason to treat her like a street whore. I truly believe that if the girls enjoy your company it will show when it comes time to enter the bedroom.

One important thing, all those 300-500R girls from Help, will go with you for 150-200R in the afternoon. If they refuse to come down in price just schedule something for the next day.