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Angelfl -- Let me guess. YOU paid the 4,000 reals, not her. SHE told you the price. It wasn't until AFTER the money was paid she said she couldn't travel until summer.

I hope for your sake what I'm smelling isn't coming from your direction...good luck, buddy.

"I hope for your sake what I'm smelling isn't coming from your direction..."
SFH
You might want to check your sandals. I've never seen so many old ladies walking their poodles in Copa. Between looking out for muggers and piles on the sidewalks, it's a wonder I don't walk into a lamp post.

Ok, interesting. I am posting some information for the sake of all users. I am not asking for personal opinions or judgement of my actions. I do not need, neither am asking for anyones views. The fact is am presenting an option that may do be workable for some, maybe not for others.
Gr8ter, both answers yes. Package includes the visa. I would corroborate this on my next trip in May, until then I guess we won't believe until I get to see it with my own eyes.

I have been in Brazil 14 times in the last 15 months. Moneywise even if it does not work is a gamble with good odds for me.

Recent article in the papers say that soon Americans returning across the border from Mexico and Canada will be required to carry passports. (Driver's license or photocopy of birth certificate will no longer be sufficient)

I have heard that meeting your favorita in Mexico for a vacation is doable if you don't have the time to travel to Rio. (good for those of us in California, etc.)

On another note, how is it that they are so many Brazilian escorts in New York? How did they get in?

angel, please update us in may when you find out. i hope that things go well for you.

i personally have been asked by a few different garotas to pay for such documents (prices ranging from 2,000R to 5,000R) or to do things such as depositing as much as US 10,000 in their bank accounts to prove to the consulate they have money to travel etc. I have never done this but I am sure based on the character of the girls who have asked they would have kept the money or come up with some excuse for why the expected results never materialized. Lets not forget what a huge sum of money this is for them considering most of their parents make 300-450 reais per month! It would be like hitting the fucking lottery if some ying yang deposited USD 10,000 in the account of one of these girls. What one person told me is that "buying" such paperwork or a visa was common pre 9/11 and relatively easy, but that since that time it has become impossible...I don't know.

As a smaller example, i wanted to travel with a girl who i knew very very well, but she didn't have a passport and wasn't working at the time, so i gave her the 300 reais or whatever to get one, over the next few months i heard 5 different excuses of why she couldn't get it, from her uncle not turning in the paperwork, to the office being closed for the election, to having gotten it but then losing it. She still doesn't have it to this day. I consider myself a good judge of character and thought she would go and get it, we were in love, etc., but in the end she didn't get it. Now the same girl is telling me every day that she is dying from heart disease and might need a heart transplant and therefore needs 2,000 reais for tests. If I knew she was telling the truth I might do it because I do like her, but if I gave every girl in Rio who says they or their children have a medical problem and need tests or medicine money I would go broke tomorrow (another girl told me last week she had some problem with her ovaries and needed 1,500 reais to do tests, and that as a result of her problem she couldn't have sex or work anymore. i didn't give her the money and she was working the next week, lol, so much for the medical condition).


Anyway, as Angel said, it is a gamble and if it works out it would be great for him, but needless to say it is a huge gamble any time you trust any of these girls, even the ones you think you know very very well, are in love with and they love you, etc. On the other hand i do know a very few girls in rio who might be honest about this type of thing also, but girls like this are very very rare.

Angel, I know more than a few people who have have fallen for the "package deal" - X reals for paperwork and a visa. Not a one of them ever saw a visa, although some did get the actual background story. I'm not saying it's impossible, but at this time it is not believable to think that you can buy a tourist visa for the US. Maybe a religous group excursion visa, maybe an L1 or a single-entry visa for training, but that would be the extent of it.

Never trust a garota. Still, sometimes I think that a "casual attitude" with other people's money is just a particularly pronounced Latin American trait. As an example, my brazilian wife still owns an apartment in POA. We rent it out and all the money goes into an account which her sister has access to. It's not a lot of cash, but since we pay for a lot of odds and ends in our two brazilian families' lives - tuition for our nephews, an operation for my grandmother, construction supplies for my brother-in-law, various legal fees - it works out fine because my sister-in-law disburses the money when we ask her too. Besides, its a little nestegg for when we go down there. Except for an "incident" three years ago when she cleaned out the entire account. WTF?!? Well, she "needed" the money, a dozen lame excuses... but she could have just asked us! Anyway after a lot of yelling and screaming between the sisters, we forgave her, but she's on a "two srikes and you're out" policy (too generous in my opinion,but sisters are sisters). So tehre you have it, even all in the family (especially in family) everybody has their hands in your pockets.

BS

When Brasilera sisters/mothers talk on the phone, do they ever not yell and scream at each other?

It's nice to know that the "sick water buffalo" excuse is also used on family members!

I tell you, the more I learn, the more I fear. I was talking to some Paulistas today and they were complaining that whenever they go to Rio, the waiters try to scam them, the taxi guys "forget" to set the meter or set it on 2, the hotels "accidentally" add random charges, etc etc. Good to know that the cariocas don't just try and screw foreigners, they try and screw all non-cariocas

ok, so I have a question. the discussions on here regarding getting visas for brasilian girls to visit invariably end with the consensus basically being, there is no friggin way you are getting a brasilian into america now a days (i.e. post Sept. 11). I still have questions about whether I would even want a gdp to visit, but when I see things like the below website, it is somewhat frustrating to me.

Go to newyork.craigslist.org, click on erotic services, and do a search for brazil. You will end up with a lot of bullshit ads, etc., but there are two or three girls who look to me like genuine gdp's advertising their services (larissa and gabriella among others). I will never call them because their prices are much higher, le issues, and their attitudes are probably much changed from when they were in brasil, etc., however, assuming they are the real deal brasilian gdp's (which they appear to me to be) how the hell did they get here????

I want to know the opinion of people because I would like to have someone come and visit sometime potentially, but gave up due to the apparent difficulty. If these girls are really getting here legally though, I find it hard to believe they are taking one of the routes mentioned on here (some type of temporary work visa, etc.). It might just be that guys or the girls are "being creative" and found some loophole or whatever that most likely would not be shared on here, as it would be shut down relatively quickly, but I would like to know your opinions.

So what do you guys think, are they not really brasilians, are they here illegally, or did they go one of the routes mentioned previously on here?

The one thing that tempers my hope that they are the real deal is that I always ask girls in brasil if they have been to america or if they know any girls in america (over time this would include hundreds of girls I have personally asked, and then they are telling me about all the girls they know, so in total I have to believe the sample would be over a couple thousand girls there, including all the girls at the major termas, help, barbarella, etc. over a three or four year period). Any time they know someone in america, it is because they married an american (who got a fiance visa for them, and not a travel visa prior to the marriage), or they know a rich girl who studied in america. I have spoken to many brasilian friends of gdp's I know who currently live in america, as well as their husbands, and all of them used the fiance visa route. Also, I have met several brazilians here through my portuguese professor and others, and all of them are here on Student visas that our garotas most likely will never get.

They may have (most likely the do have) tourist or student (or other, like religous) visas issued pre-9/11 which have yet to expire. Or, they are expired and the girls are here illegal (past expiration).

Or maybe they are separated/divorced?

Or maybe they are from the small group that can obtain tourist visas (large bank balance, real estate ownings, wealthy family, family connections in government)? Unlikely, but possible.

There are many examples... but each year beyond 9/11 we'll see less and less. Already Miami has become a wasteland for not yet ruined fresh hotties.

There are a couple of ways, some easy, some hard. I lucked out I guess - my GF of two years has a Portuguese dad, so she is a Portuguese citizen and thus can come up any time since Portugal is a visa-waiver country. She has to use her Brasilian passport when exiting/entering Brasil and her Portuguese passport when entering/exiting the US.

I have met more than a few GPs who claim to have a European parent. Some of the ones who married Europeans, if they were smart the first thing they did was apply for citizenship and got a new passport. If they really do have a European parent, and have the time and determination to fill out the naturalization paperwork and to gather everything they need to prove to whatever country that their dad/mom is a citizen - parent's passport, birth certificate, tax returns, national ID, etc - they can most likely get citizenship in the European country (different rules for each country). After that, they apply for a passport and it's then a matter of waiting for it to arrive. At that point, they're good to go, 90 days per visit, max 180 days per year, standard visa waiver rules.

Other than that, FLhobbyer summed it up. I would think most are divorced and here legally, or at least were legal at some point. It's been a while since the days of relatively easy "work" visas for shit like modelling.

There was an article in the local paper this last week about a loophole in U.S. imigration policy.

If a mexican national gets caught by the INS sneaking into the country he or she would get tossed into a holding cell, and then deported back across the border.

For a non Mexican, say Brazilian when they get caught the INS puts them in a holding cell for the night, and then gives them a notice to appear in front of an imigration judge.

Why? The law states that when the U.S. deports an illegal alien they have to be sent to their home country.

If a Brazilian makes it this far north chances are, that unless they get busted for a felony they won't be going back.

RG.

Most flights to Brasil have a few "one ways" in the back of coach. I don't think I've been on any of my United or American flights down that didn't have deportees on it.

cato,

how can you tell if there are deportees on the flight?

Road,

so, according to the article, theoretically, if a brasilian girl got to mexico, and ran across the border, and was caught in america, they would bring her in front of a judge, etc. set a date, and then let her free in america until the court date?

Gr8ter,

One, there are usually a copy of BICE (formerly INS)uniformed types in the gate area and on the jetbridge. Second, the one-ways board first and are usually pretty glum looking as they are escorted on the plane.

The airlines don't make a big fuss of it, the deportees aren't handcuffed or anything, BICE just makes sure they get on the plane and stay on the plane. It's pretty low-key, as it should be. They're not going to a gulag or anything, they just get a free plane ride back home in coach.

One gp in Sao Paulo told me she has a trick to come to USA, RT during Christmas. Do you guys think she is in denial or could it be a real trick?
There are a lot of brasileiras in SoCal, i have no idea how they end up here. They are hard to catch as they are busy with school and doing low paying jobs like waiting on tables, nanny. There are usually better looking than local talent.

I know quite a few Brazilian women who are here in the Southern California area.

Most are married and arrived on a K-1 VISA.

One is here watching over her daughter (talk about HOT HOT HOT!) who is attending an exclusive, very expensive Beverly Hills private school. The kids Father is worth a LOT of $$$, and owns a rather large empire in Brazil.

I know 2 others who are here illegally - both crossed over from Mexico - one paid to get across the border and the other one just walked over using a friends California ID card. Both arrived since 9/11.

Since I know dozens of Mexicans that are here illegally, I don't see why a Brazilian couldn't cross illegally from Mexico just as easily.

Gr8ter; Here is the newspaper story:

Brazilians using Mexico to enter U.S. illegally




By Tim Gaynor
REUTERS
3:37 p.m. April 22, 2005

MONTERREY, Mexico, – U.S. authorities arrested nearly 150 Brazilians who got into Texas illegally from Mexico this week, in a case that highlighted a booming illegal migration route, authorities said Friday.

U.S. Border Patrol agents in south Texas said they arrested 147 Brazilian nationals at five locations between Rio Grande City and McAllen Thursday, after they crossed over from Mexico's northern Tamaulipas state.

The U.S. Bureau of Customs and Border Protection said the arrests brought the number of Brazilians nabbed crossing from Mexico to 15,428 since the start of the fiscal year on Oct 1, up from 8,629 in the whole of fiscal 2004.

U.S. and Mexican government sources attributed the rise to the abolition of visas required by Brazilians entering Mexico in recent years and a catch-and-release policy by law enforcement agencies in the United States.

"Many Brazilians are arriving in Mexico as tourists, and then they use their stay to try and get into the United States, where they just stay on," National Immigration Institute spokesman Mauricio Juarez told Reuters.

No figures were available for the number of Brazilians entering Mexico since the visa waiver was introduced in 2000.

Juarez said most Brazilians attempting the journey north flew into Mexico City, then headed up to the U.S. border on buses to cross with the help of a paid guide or "coyote."

Illegal aliens from so-called "third countries" such as Brazil are given security and criminal background checks when apprehended in the United States, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said.

Those not deemed a risk to U.S. homeland security or found to have a criminal record are often released on their own recognizance with a notice to appear before an immigration judge at a later date.

ICE had no figures of the number of immigrants failing to keep court appearances, though law enforcement sources on the Texas border said most Brazilian immigrants just traveled on into the United States regardless.

"They call the court notice 'the diploma,'" said Tomas Herrera, the sheriff of Maverick County near Eagle Pass. "Once they get it, they call up relatives on the east coast and ask for money, and when they get it they just skip town," he added.

Use this idea at your own risk.

RG.

wow, crazy stuff, thanks for the article, i didn't know the numbers were that high. i wonder if it is getting higher now with the novela america (which a lot of people have told me is not that great).

"As a smaller example, i wanted to travel with a girl who i knew very very well, but she didn't have a passport and wasn't working at the time, so i gave her the 300 reais or whatever to get one, over the next few months i heard 5 different excuses of why she couldn't get it, from her uncle not turning in the paperwork, to the office being closed for the election, to having gotten it but then losing it. She still doesn't have it to this day. I consider myself a good judge of character and thought she would go and get it, we were in love, etc., but in the end she didn't get it. Now the same girl is telling me every day that she is dying from heart disease and might need a heart transplant and therefore needs 2,000 reais for tests. If I knew she was telling the truth I might do it because I do like her, but if I gave every girl in Rio who says they or their children have a medical problem and need tests or medicine money I would go broke tomorrow (another girl told me last week she had some problem with her ovaries and needed 1,500 reais to do tests, and that as a result of her problem she couldn't have sex or work anymore. i didn't give her the money and she was working the next week, lol, so much for the medical condition)."



remember, an old saying:

"even the richest king cannot afford to give everyone of his peasants a grain of rice."

i have been seeing a girl for the past 8 months in rio and she has never asked for one centavo. she made it very clear about 2 weeks ago, she wants to spend time with me because she likes my company.

her life is very simple; school, work and family. she never took the time for herself to enjoy and this is what she is doing with me. i have tried to buy her a few things, small items no problem; blouse, bikini, but never any major expense. she will not take it.

now she is taking driver training classes; she told me that she wants me to rent a car on my next trip so i can save the taxi expense....

maybe she is just waiting for the big score and setting me up.

was she a gdp when you met her? most of my relationships start out with the girls being gdps, then going back to school or whatever eventually. the only girls who (almost) never want money from me are non-gdp's (although you end up spending money on dinners, etc. anyway) or ex-gdp's who have adjusted somewhat to a normal lifestyle (after not having 5000 reais a month anymore).

I have heard that those driver training classes are now very difficult and expensive in brasil, who is paying for those for her? she either has family money or it is coming from somewhere if you are not paying for it.

As for me, if I am getting something out of it I have no problem paying (i.e. for sex) as there is no way I could be having sex with 3 different girls a day in america (and even if i could, the dinner bills would be out of control and my female management skills would have to be a lot better than they are).

Anyway, as an update to the story above regarding the girl with the heart condition, here is an email i received from her a few days ago:

oi,amor..mudei novamente de email..agora pode enviar so para este aqui...
como voce esta? tudo bem? sinto saudades!! EU NAO fiz operacao ainda,porque necessito tomar mais remedios..mais devo operar daqui a uma semana ou duas..meus amigos fizeram uma campanha para me ajudar com o dinheiro da operacao..muito legal...bjs

If you don't speak portuguese, it says basically she couldn't do the operation because she needs to take more medicine, and that her friends are organizing a campaign to raise money for her operations (with the implication being, although it is not implicitly stated, that it would be nice if I could donate some money as she asked me before for the whole amount for the operation and I didn't give it to her, leading to this and other follow up emails).

Once again, if I knew she was telling the truth, I would probably donate, but the fact is that I haven't slept with this girl in over 5 months (or even seen her in 3) and I basically think she is lying. I wish I could help everyone in Rio who has a medical condition, but it is impossible, and with all the girls lying so much (for example, this girl told me if she didn't have the operation immediately she would be dead in a week and this was two or three months ago) it is impossible to see who is telling the truth. I appreciate it a lot more when a gdp just asks me for the money. This morning I was chatting with a gdp who I plan to spend a lot of time with when I come to rio next week, I know she is in school, has kids, and doesn't work at all now (she used to be at centaurus) but she has a little money each month from her ex husband and her grandparents (who provide an apartment for her). She asked me for 200 reais and I sent it to her (or rather I told her to borrow the money from her grandparents and I would repay the loan when I get there). I did it because I know the girl, she hasn't lied to me before, i am really not paying anything up front, and she didn't make up some bullshit about medical condition, etc. she just needs the money for food and whatever else she wants to do and I am happy to provide it because she is providing me with a service later (and is the sweetest thing).

test the heart......take her to bed....if she is still breathing when finished....she is not telling the truth...

suggest you buy a phillips portable defibbulator first (sp).

this girl worked in a terma and is taking the winter off; she says it is so slow it is not worth her time there.

btw gr8ter....she told me that she is paying 750r for this segment of drivers training, then another 300r.

to top it off, she is calling me from brasil to the states......do i sense "fish on"???

i purposely have not given her any money...i wanted to see where this was going and what she wanted. i guess i am just a nice guy (just ask my ex)

this girl knows i remarried and my wife is brasilian, she knows i have a family in the states. i did not hide anything from her.

some people may say that these girls only want a I129F visa....in my opinion they have a better life in brazil. my motherinlaw clearly informed me that she did not raise her daughter to do domestic work. she had a maid to cook, maid to clean, driver, gardner etc in brasil....in the u.s. she is all of that...the funny thing was after we married, she was on the phone to her maid learning how to make rice.

From my experiences with girls in brasil, relationships like the one you have are very difficult to achieve so I definitely commend you and it looks like you have a good thing going. It sounds like you can enjoy it for what its worth and if things do end up bad (i.e. she asks for a lot of money, etc.) you can deal with it then. The great part is you aren't out anything because no matter what happens you are looking at the cash outflows (just buying small gifts, etc.) and that is the important part in my opinion. Good luck and let us know what happens.

Hey Angelfl -- How about updating us on your $R4000 visa effort of April. Did the girl get the visa or just the money?

To answer the previous questions on how are these brazilian girls getting into the US....

First, there was NEVER, EVER a problem getting into or staying in the US illegaly. I know first hand accounts of brazilian young women that are here (northeast). Some got in before 9/11. Some got multi-entry 10-year visas years ago, and decided to stay, most flew to Mexico and paid from US$7,000 to US$10,000 for a reliable coyotte to bring them to the US. (I was told that you can pay US$5,000 or less but you are gambling at those prices).

I know a GDP in Rio who has saved money to send her sister and brother to the US (New Jersey) via the same route.

There are over 5,000 Brazilian's a month being detained crossing the Mexican border illegaly. That means that must be many times that ammount getting through.

The question is, if you don't want to break the law, and you want your female Brazilian friend to be able to come to US to visit you and return, then perhaps visit again. I have not interest in permanently importing a brazilian girl or contribute to breaking US immigration law. But I have interest in having some friends visit me here.

Legally, if a young lady is enrolled in a Brazilian University and can prove income via tax returns (hers or her family's), and has a convincing background, appearance, accent, she will have no problem getting a tourist visa. Similarly, she would have no problem getting a 1year visa through an aupair agency.

Now, most of the GPs you guys post pictures of here and talk about are from Northeast Brazil and other very poor areas, are of mixed race (to a greater extent than the more well to do Brazilians), and no ammount of enrollment in school, fake documents and large bank accounts will get them past the US Visa interview.

With the possible exception of those who have been in Brazil for a long time and can pick up on the regional accents, proper portuguese speaking, and the mixed race subtleties, it may seem that these GPs can pass as an upper middle class brazilian. I can tell you however that everyone (restaurant, hotel lobby, disco, cab driver, consulate employee) will spot that she is not in about 4.3 seconds.

There are a few exceptions. Someone posted some pictures of a nice/tall blonde taken at the Renaissance Hotel in Sao Paulo (which I recognized from the distinctive rooms and views). Some of these girls really look "white"/"well to do" and if they speak proper portuguese, and are enrolled in a University, they'll get a visa relatively easily. I know of two cases. One the father had a bakery, she just told consulate she worked there and got a visa, no problem.

Bottom line is:

1 - Want to get her quickly into the US and don't mind helping her break the law. US$1,000 RT ticket to Mexico. US$8,000 or so coyotte costs. She is yours. Drawback - she can't leave the US, if she does, you have to pay it all over again.

2 - Get a "well-to-do" sounding and looking girl (hint, 99% of the pictures posted on this site will not even remotely qualify). If she is a GP and that good looking and educated she will have a bank account and appartment and middle-class or better family. She can enroll in school or get a relative to say she works in their business and she will have little problem getting a legal tourist VISA.

My problem is the one I want to get in, looks the part, has the finances to back it up, but does not speak the part (bad portuguese, strong accent). Maybe I can get her in if she pretends to be deaf/mute - that is a thought.

If you want to know what happens to brazilians if they get picked up by the border patrol.... it will either make you laugh or cry depending on how much you care about enforcing our laws...

http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-24363.html

Whole lotta hate on that site Gatopardo95.

With this in mind, I spent lunch time today with some workers at a site in Southern California. They work making clothes, in a small warehouse in a low rent area. The place is packed, BTW.

It turns out that about a dozen of them are from Brazil, and all but one had gotten a notice to appear after crossing the border from Mexico. All of them are either related to or know someone who already is working at this factory.

Plus, and I thought this was ironic, at least two Mexicans working there crossed into the US with fake ID claiming to be from Central or South America, and both got those same notices to appear.

Roadglide,

My apologies if the site is a hate site - I didn't read anything on it. The link came up on google and I just read that story. I thought it was a news link.

By the way, just for the reccord, I don't fault anyone that tries to enter the US illegaly. I'd probably do the same if I were in their shoes. But when I read that the border patrol is actually providing the transportation from the border to the nearest bus station and that the illegal crossers are actually aware of that and seek out the border patrol for the ride, well that bothers me.

I mean how stupid must we look to brazilians. And people wander why the garotas are asking for money left and right from americans.

It is because we let them take advantage.

Anyway. I'm off the soap box.

Apologies one more time if the news link was to a wacko site.

No apology needed. Perhaps I should have said, that there were a lot of "haters" on that site.

Most Americans tend to overlook the fact that the root's of their family tree are located outside of U.S. borders.

RG.