DG you and everyone always talk like you are under house arrest or something ,whats the deal?

Deeg hit on something here...which proves that even the half-witted can stumble onto a jewel of wisdom now and then. The point about respect--if you give them too much money they wont respect you. I have seen it happen over and over. They see you as a sucker, even if it is subconsciously.

LD
The reason I am under 'house arrest' in the USA is simple; gringas ain't worth the money. The escorts in my area cost $150-300, they don't kiss, they rarely provide GFE, and they know they don't have to.

Strip clubs in our country are largely designed to tease us. Look but don't touch. Touch, but only a little. Get a woody, but keep it to yourself.

Compared to hobbying in Brazil, USA offers 1/10th the experience at 10x the price. Thus I am under house arrest.
DeeG

PS
I'm not saying GCL is a tight-ass when it comes to paying for sex, but his proctologist recently removed a pollip the size of a pearl.

yep GCL..basically you and I are going to agree on a top shelf girl inside help...as you know I am guilty of paying R300 for one of these babes from time to time if she is still a sweetheart..the debate is that you can get her for R200...I am just plainly saying that SOMETIMES some of these special hotties are worth the extra $33..Both you and I personally know some damn fine girls for way less but they are damn hard to find..those of us on short term fuck vacations will splurge for one of these...

so back to the bet,,if you can pull it off the debate is over..if you fail then the board might agree SOMETIMES these girls will NOT budge off the R300 and it doesnt upset the economy of mongering in helpie... you did hit on a small point of contention that some of them have attitudes which is why I will be with you to exclude the bitches from the count..Deal??

Guys, the hottest girl I have every banged in Rio just left my apartment. Kenmore introduced me to her (thanks Kenmore). Anyway, she rivals Adriana from Cuba in looks. She may be prettier. In Help she asks for R$400 and gets it. I took her to dinner in Leblon (R$61, Taxi to and from R$40) and gave her R$20 for taxi plus a riofantasy "T" shirt when she left. Total bill, R$135.

Layne, I will take your bet. But is anecdotal evidence sufficient to draw conclusions? I think we need to do it 3 or 5 times. Can a statitician (Bwana) tell me what a representative sample size would be for us to draw conclusions from this test?

Next time Layne and I are in town we'll do this and do it right. Each night we'll go into Help and select a couple of stunners. One will be randomly assigned to Layne, the other to GCL. We'll do this for five nights and see if there's any difference. We'd be on more solid ground, statistically speaking, with a sample of ten per guy, but that may be pushing their budgets and endurance.

I think the real important thing, that you guys can't seem to realize, is that I wouldn't mind doing Bruna the next time I'm in town, so can Bwana or Layne send me her number?

Actually, what needs to be done is one of you pick a garota that all can agree is hot, and making sure that she doesn't know that you each know one another, on different nights you each negotiate with her for the same service and see who pays what. That's the only fair test. Same girl, different nights, with her having no knowledge that a competition is on.

Good idea, Cat. That's a true test.

Cat, I think urs and Bwanas are both good ideas. I will do either one but I have a question... do I actually have to DO the girl after I negotiate this? That thought never occured to me. I dont actually do that anymore.

In fact, I have only taken the occasional friend from a terma--but that was over a year ago. Only once did I pull a Help girl. It was from a table at the terrace but I did her in Sterlings room. SHe was extremely cute and I think I gave her R$100 for 5 minutes (that is an hourly rate of R$1200).

I dont want to sound like a whiner though, I will do whatever Bwana says.

GCL,
No, you don't have to do the girls, just secure an agreement. And combining mine and Cat's suggestions would work well. We'll pick five stunners, and each of you will try to cut a deal on different nights.

Now, I need to get out of this internet cafe and go get a blow job at Lólita's, since I have an early morning flight from BKK to Denpasar.

Later, boys.

Been there done that, as i talked with guys i`ve hung with in Help, we all noticed the same girls, i`d always ask if they talked with her or tried to negociate price and they`d say yes, 300R most every time. In fact alot of guys would even comment on how they read on the internet to negociate and they`d come down to 200R but these girls wouldn`t, even the world famous Don couldn`t get`em below 300R with the one`s i`ve seen him try. There are stunners in Help who have guys lined-up to meet them, one such girl took me 1 week before i could even just talk with her, i`ve seen her last past 3am only once in 3 weeks, mostly leaving before 2am, her asking price 450R, and she`s not coming down, the one time she lasted past 3am, Help was a slow, and she was practically begging me to take her, i offered 300R , she drops to 400R and that`s it , ended up going home before she accepted 300R. Saw one stunner i paid 300R for do 3 guys in one night on a couple of occassions, she had groups of guys standing on the edge of the dance floor watching her dance, had another stunner i paid 300R for who wanted to dance in the aisle way a week before carnavil 2003, the club was pack, everyone formed a 10 foot circle to watch this girl dance, every guy and girl in viewing distance was watching her, i mean some just staring at her, when we finally did make it to the dance floor groups of girls dancing by their self along with most every guy was turned and watching her, another stunner i paid 350R for when she walked thru the out-door cafe it was like the red sea parting, most every table was turned and watching her and talking about her, you could hear the commenmts as she walk by, inside Help 2&3 guys at once were trying to hook up with her,these girls were all incredible sweethearts , some even semi-pro`s, these are the girls i`m talking about for 300R, i highly, highly doubt the girls your getting for 200R are getting this kind of attention, there`s a reason they can command 300R, and there`s a reason some girls have to accept 200R, it`s simple supply and demand economics.

or that all the dudes lined up for the girl you mention are in what she or another girl might deem the deeper of the lower part of the male pool in the place? i think until you submit a photo of one of these girls for gcl, layne, bwana, and them to comment on, we just can't solve this.

GCL,

You did her again now did you? Wow, this sounds serious! Are you not basically banging her on a daily basis now?

I never knew you were into Spinners!

She is smoking hot! Beautiful with a perfect spinner body! Nummy!

I have banged her only twice (one overnighter and one long afternoon session). Total cost for the two sessions (which included 6 nuts) amounted to 300R. Not a bad average of 50R a nut....at least in my book.

I am not sure why there is so much discussion around getting a bargain with a Help chick. Guys pay what they are comfortable with and Girls accept what they are comfortable with....I basically agree with the basic economic model that BT layed out.

The fact that some idiot comes in and pays way too much for a girl is not going to throw the basic price structure out of whack! Likewise, just because certain guys are particularly suave and are found to be particularly attractive and desireable by the Garotas (i.e., GCL, DG, etc.) and they are able to work out a freebie or a substaintially lower price is not going to impact the standard pricing structure. I agree with BT that basic economics will ultimately prevail.

It is kind of fun to read all of the angles guys try to employ to save a nickel. I am sure the girls are fairly familiar with these tactics. Give the girls some credit, some of them are not as dumb as we think they are.

Guys,

Tell me this. With respect to the figures of 400-450 Reals, is this for all night and into the next day, or is this for just a short time? If it is for all night, and into the afternoon, then that amount is acceptable. For a short time, the price is high, but still acceptable if is ok in your own mind.

Moondog,

Kenmore usually pays in two installments: one time for the session, the second time for the tattoo removal.

Hey Kenmore, I did the cute spinner that you introduced to anal at 65 again last week. Great girl, but a funny story. We were in the bar and I grabbed her ass while talking to her and she asked if I like ass. I said not really, it just depends, and then she volunteered, on her own, that you were her first anal intruder, and proceeded to tell me more info than I really wanted to know. I think you may have Rio wife number 4 on your hands if you don't watch it!

Oh, and at L, your ex-wife #1 asked about you as well. Congrats, you seem to have a stalker at each of the major termas

Not funny!

I did the girl from "the Terma that Sweet has asked me not to mention on this site" twice. She is a nice girl, but I would be curious what other info she offered about me. These girls talk and talk. I often hear stuff that I would rather the girls keep to themselves.

Ex-wife #1 is history....a really nice girl and I really really do wish her the very best, but not into her at all anymore. She is not the spinner she use to be.....but still about as sweet a girl as you will ever find.

Someone actually told me that the funds I supplied to the girl with the tattoo actually used the funds for their intended purpose. Yes, I have heard that the tattoo has been removed. No longer will guys be able to view my name when they ram this girl when she is on hands and knees.

Can anyone confirm????

Thank God!

Moondog, with regards to whether R400-450 is all night or not - I'm guessing that if the guy is dumb enough to pay R400+ to a girl, then he's dumb enough to allow her to sucker him out of it being more than ST, and that she's long gone by 7AM.

I can't say, I've never paid over R300 at Help, and I've never woken up alone at 10AM after taking home from Help the night before.

Kenmore,

Your CPL (cost per load) riavals DG's but we all know even he is not in your league.

Rumor has it that a certain person has a photo of a tattoo.....nawwww...won't go there. Just kidding.

I will offer this distinguished panel the services of an unbiased judge for the contest at hand. Bwana can do the stats and present the final tally for announcement.

In the meantime, I am headed to Help with Sweet and a few other guys to do some early scouting.

Tchau

Maytag,

Wife #1 was once a spinner? She's a little chunky these days, at least in the legs and ass. Nice girl though, not really my type but she is cool to talk too.

Millicent (is that anal-wife's name?) really latched on to me last week, as in I couldn't go two feet in the bar without her tagging along. I don't think I'll risk a third time with her but she is a cute one.

The thing I didn't like about Help was that opened really, really late (midnight) and by 2 or 3 in the morning, things were beginning to slow down. So, there was only a short time to evaluate the girls, make a plan of attack, and then I had to struggle to stay awake while doing so.......

"Kenmore usually pays in two installments; one time for the session, the second time for the tattoo removal." ROFLMAO. And to think I once thought it was cool when a garota sent a present stateside for me with GCL...

Now, call me Opee Taylor, but what the fuck is Kenmore doing getting 3 nuts/session? If I recall correctly, Rio usually involves at least ONE terma run during the day. Add that nut to a wake-up nut earlier that morning and you're running a two load deficit even entering into the evening session with your
"allegedincrediblespinnerwhorivalsAdriannabutwestillhaven'tseenanypictures?"

That makes no fewer than 5 - count 'em - FIVE balldrainin' sackslappin' glandshakin' sessions in 24 hours? And you're no spring chicken Kennymore. I mean - WTF? I gotta get me some o'dem vitamins you're chokin down.

KM, either you're not nuttin' every time, or something is amiss here. Enlighten us - is this new Adrianna so hot that she runs the flag up the pole at the drop of a hat? Or could it be that, occassionally, your hammer is fallin' on an empty chamber?

DeeG

PS
Nice CPL BTW. I like it when guys keep their eyes on the bottom line.

DeeG,

The full recap for those who are dying to know:

Nut #1 We arrive at the hotel after hooking up at help and easily obtain first successful nut.

After, we call and order pizza....eat, watch, TV.

Nut #2 Incredible spinner girl decides to jump in the shower and I join her, we end up working out Nut #2.

We both crash!

Nut#3 I awake fairly early in the morning (say around 8 or 9) and see this girls bare ass lying on the bed. The flagpole is at full mast quickly and I successfully work out nut #3. This session is kind of funky, she has me lie completely still and she does all of the work. It was different at good and I blew fairly easily.

We both crashed again.

Nut #4 - SweetMesquite calls me and asks me what is on the program (he just got through banging little spinner's blonde friend and threw her out of the apartment). The blonde friend came over and sat on the couch and joined us for breakfast. We ate together and then spinner girl jumped in the shower and so did I. It was damn hard, but I successfully worked out Nut #4 just after noon!

Paid her 300R and Said goodbye. I had agreed to pay her 250R.

Two days later, spinner calls me and we hook up at my hotel for an 11:30 am rendezvous.

Nut #5 This girl comes into my room and starts talking. The girl can talk. I grab her hair and start kissing her and the talking ceases and we work out my Nut.

We go eat lunch at Kilograma (formerly Porcha CopaCabana). She wants to hang with me that night and I beg off but invite her back to my place and pretend that I am packing to leave.

Nut #6 - After I reassemble my bags to show her that I am leaving, we jump in bed and work up a serious sweat. This took some doing, but eventually we got there and I nutted for my 6th and final time with her.

I pull out 150R and start to hand it over to her and she gets pissed. She just wants me to promise to call her. I tell her that I would prefer to pay her. She says no and that she will be pissed if she sees me with anyother women.

She leaves.

Will this adequately document my 6 Nuts with this girl?

DeeG...I know you have an eye for spinners. Or at least you use to. I have never seen Adriana, but this girl is hot!

A week or so later I see her at the Terraco with some dumb ass German guy who cruises around Copa on a scooter. I too am occupied with another spinner. I go to the bathroom and she heads there as well and grabs me and tells me she wants to leave now with me. I tell her that I can't and for her to return to her boyfriend. She claims the guys is not her boyfriend...however, two or three times I run into her on the streets with the same guy.

I must admit that the cost per nut with the girl with the Tattoo is probably well above the 50R range. In fact I would say she is near the top in terms of cost per Nut or minute of pleasure.

I am glad that someone is getting some entertainment out of my poor garota management.

Kenmore (who is way into Swinging these days)

Kenmore,

For those of us keeping track, how many times have the pulled the "pack the bags and make her think I'm leaving" routine?

I mean, the second funniest story I've heard in Rio (the first is Duct Tape Billy taping up his gonads to keep them from chafing, or whatever) was the time you packed your bags, went to Santos Dumont with your girl and actually purchased a ticket to Sao Paulo before putting her in a taxi - then cashing in the ticket, grabbing a taxi of your own and coming back to the hotel!

Hey, most of us just tell the girls to leave, you go to a hell of a lot of work to get the garotas out of your apartment.

Honorable mention for third funniest story is SFHombre and the tranny. Kenmore, going to verify tattoo removal tonight on your dime.

What is the tattoo story exactly? I land Friday.

Good ole help is on winter level also...outside on the terrace is way down...pretty bad actually...very laid back in a good way this july...the girls arent in a rush it seems...when you do find a good one you are set for awhile...

The talent on the terrace has been atrocious. I saw good talent only one night (Thursday night). I went into help twice and pulled out a regular from my last trip. My second attempt in Help Disco was short-lived because the AC was broken.

I approached a gorgeous spinner on the terrace one evening and started the interview process. She was a pettite blonde with no identification. That was the end of my discussion with her.

BTW, the micro-spinner is a hardcore pro. She is asking for at least 300 reais. I don't think anyone can get her out of there for less, not even GCL.

Is it possible for garotas to enter Help w/o ID? I thought they checked? You bring up a good point about checking for ID before leaving the club, since my hotel, as most other must, checks the girl'd ID in the lobby. What a buzz-kill it would be to get turned away steps from your hotel room door.

Mav-Yeah, they check the girls ID's going into Help. That is also why many of the garotas at the terrace do not go inside (besides the cost), many are underage. One should always check any ID of a girl at the Terrace before taking her home, especially if you are in a hotel.

If the girl says she does not have her ID with her, ....pass! Better than finding yourself in a Br. jail.

Howard69Stern... which MicroSpinner? Do I know her?

GCL - Don't you know ALL of them? - Hemp

Layne's microspinner...the one who is fluent in English, the one who prefers not to kiss and gives only CBGs. That one.

Sometimes the girls just forget their IDs. One night I met Mayara (formerly of both MC and L'uomo) at the Terraço and we headed to my hotel. We got there and found that she'd left her ID at home. So we had to find a cab at 2 a.m., schlep out to her apartment, grab the ID, and head back to the hotel. So even if you're not concerned about the girl's age, you might want to make sure she has her ID if you're staying at a hotel.

I confused the terrace with the patio in the back bar at Help. Wasn't thinking...

One in the same Bwana. She's been hanging out on hooker beach lately and is in Help occasionally. Won't budge off R$300. Damn Layne spoiled her....!

I thought Layne passed on the R300 micro-spinner. Is it true that he caved for a R300 CBJ? Say it aint so! Say it aint so!

yes I caved late one night...reported it also I thought...she does dfk, but only cbj but she cant hang for 2 hours...we haggled after one hour to R200..she was pissed but didnt push it...she does have a SMOKIN' bod tho..ohh sooo tiny...not recommended unless you HAVE to have the tiniest of them all...

Layne I think I seen her with you one night right? - Thank god we didn't have to bail you out. Take care and hurry back as all the Garotas are asking about you. Your reporter on the scene! - Hemp

That microspinner is actually 21, I believe. So for once Layne was on solid legal ground. Now, there have been others...

no Hemp different spinner..the one you and john "walked me" with is highly recommended...I miss that one badly...

Layne, did you have to hold her up at the front desk so she could reach to fill out her registration card? I can't imagine the look on the face of the guy at the front desk. Talk about a Kodak moment.

So what have you fellows in Rio lately been kicking out to have an allnighter with a Help Lovely?

Help has raised it's entry fee to R20 before and R30 after midnight. The place is packed with alot of people every night during the Thanksgiving week. Although there were alot more ladies in Help, I was disappointed at the quality of the new girls coming in to work so far.

I was in front of Help the other night. Did not go in. I did not see one girl go in that I would pay to bang...in fact roles reversed, I would seek new employment. The talent was bad coupled with lots of eurotrash (not you Koskos)...reinforced why that is only the second time I have been there in 50 nights in Brazil...

I found this mulata in disco Help during my
last trip in April 2.004.
Someone knows this girl?.
She has really a big ass.
I would wish to meet her again in my next trip.

Photo: Mulata - Help 01

S/he vaguely resembles Shannon Sharpe, retired tight end and now studio analyst. Are you sure s/he didn't have a cock tucked away somewhere?

By the way, even using Brasilian categorization, I don't think she's mulatta, she's black.

I have been in brazil for 2 weeks now and will write more when i come back to america for a few days shortly. i must say though that i believe help is much better now than it was two months ago (or for the past year and a half for that matter). I have visited here 3 times in the past week and always found there to be many hot girls. Admitedly there is a lot of drunk eurotrash there, and the girls definitely want more money now than before (what is up with all the price quotes in dollars?), but i have begun to make this a regular stop again. some of the freshest girls can be found here, and they are cheaper than those in barbarella. i was astonished by how beautiful a few of the girls were here on thursday night. the girl from curitiba who i posted a picture of under my trip post has brought about 5 or 6 great girls up to stay with her during carnival and i must bang all of them!!! anyway, i hope they all dont disappear after carnival.

Help should be better now compared to 2 months ago. It's a week or two before Carnival and there is a two week NFL layoff.............Cat, are you sure that isn't Terrell Owens wearing a wig?

Yes,she is black!!!
And here their ass.
She is 100% woman and don´t have cock
And the better is she fuck without condom!!!
I need to come back to Rio and to meet her again
because I loose their telephonenumber.

Photo: Mulata - Help 02

In March I´ll go to Rio.
My last trip was in April of 2.004 and I don´t
know if I´ll find her...I hope to be lucky.
I want to fuck her (including anal-sex).
See you soon.

Does anybody recognize this girl from Help? Is she recommended?

http://www.barbarabutt.com/

Her web site says she can usually be found at Help

Come to think of it, this pic looks strikingly similar to one in somebody's recent trip report.
http://www.barbarabutt.com/html/photos2.htm#