Just posted an offical appology to all the guys here. I think I was misunderstood. all you have to do is listen to Tom Lycos and you'll get my point of view. Girls like money, but thye alos like some style and other stuff as well.

I posted a more in depth post around 88 of my prior post. I guess I owe the board a drink or two and I'll be back in Rio middle of April to May so you guys can toos one in my face or take me up on the offer. I'll be where I was every night . . . trying to "conquer the world" (pinky and the brain) or find a hot chick to go home with at Help.

Damn I mess Help on the weekends . . .

Apology accepted

No hard feelings

Roblaw, boy did you get slammed! I had the best time of my life in Rio in Oct 2004. I'm 43, overweight and I picked up a regurlar non working beautiful girl named Illiana because I learned to speak Brazilian Portuguese very badly. You have the right to your own opion, but rest assured this board will set you staight. I don't really like paying for pussy and never have, but I love pussy. I'm Buy-sexual... I will buy it if I have to. If it's given to me free all the better. I picked up some girls exiting Club Help that were nice...lots of eye candy in Help. One thing I want to point out about South American countries...the women there don't really look at a fat man as being repulsive, they look at them the way women in the 1500, 1600 and 1700 hundreds looked at them...wealthy, prosperous...I mean how can you possibly be fat if you don't have enough money to buy food. Average Brazilians make from 200 USD to 300 USD a month! Also, the termas are great. I went to two of them Luomo and 4X4. I didn't have a girl either time as I was only in the mood to get drunk,but while I was there I touched danced with and felt and played around with about 20 different fairly attractive women for the price of my drinks and the entrance fee. A bargain in my opion, because I've dropped 1000.00 USD in one night at a good Las Vegas strip club...I think it was call Cheetahs, yes I'm sure. Anyway, I'm not unattractive (I hope anyway), I'am however overweight, but I've learned it's all about attitude, not necessarily style. I never payed more than 250 reais for all night and it was my first trip to Rio!

(Message edited by whackerdog on April 17, 2005)

Whackerdog,

I wouldn't expect a replay at the termas like you had. Regardless of what you think, they are there to work and your wasting their time cost them money. You got drunk, groped the girls, made out with them and they got nothing. I think next time you walk in you'll notice a big open space around you that no garota will get near you.

The same thing goes for the playas that rap with garota at Help for an hour with no intention of taking her home. They will soon find themselves with a pissed off garota on there hands when they go to leave and not understanding why. They might think it's because they are a major playa and the garota REALLY wants them but then again they are there to work and you are wasting their time costing them money.

Whackerdog,

I concur with Snooky. Termas are not strip bars. The girls do not get a cut of the entry fee or booze, you don't tip them for dancing (sounds like you didn't anyways) and they don't get paid to listen to you. From your post it sounds like you took advantage of the situation, and it is regarded as incredibly bad behavior. If you're interviewing a garota, feel free, as long as you plan on taking her (if she passes) to a cabine. If not, you're violating one of the big unwritten rules of the terma, that is, don't take advantage of the garotas.

Termas are awesome places because everything is open, safe, descreet and generally well operated. If they start to fill up with tourists just out to grab free ass, the will cease to be the relatively low maintenance, high reward places that they are.

Cat you are totally correct. As you know I frequent Termas quite often and it pisses me off to see some guys sit around with the girls DFK and feeling them up for a while or long time then take another girl or leave the Terma completely. The Brazilian guys are known for this and I see it a lot. We all have to remember the girls are not there because they love to fuck us, they are there because they are just trying to make a living and in most cases support their families. Guys these girls can make you extremely happy both mentally and physically but like Cat says "Don't take advantage" of them. Just my opinion guys. Thanks Cat - Hemp

I agree with you guys on that one,I try not to hang out too long with a girl I don't intend to take.But some girls come to you and start trying to come on to you despite the hints that your not interested.If a girl is grinding her ass on my unit..etc,I'm gonna get my grabs in(thats the nature of the beast).Some of these girls you practically gotta tell them to buzz off to get rid of them,then they look at you like your the villain.I understand that they are working and I don't wanna waste their time and most importantly mines,but if they come to me and start getting freaky even after I've expressed non interest,then thats on them.(P.S I never kiss any chick I'm not taking).

Other than that definitely don't take up these girls time if you don't intend to take them.Especially when there are possibly other guys there who might be interested in the girl your tying up.

Ee,

If a garota won't go away after you say you're not interested, then you're really not taking advantage of her. She initiated, you responded with a not interested, she persisted. Maybe she's trying to change your mind, maybe she's just stupid. I had a pushy garota like that at Centaurus last month. She walks up and jams her tongue down my throat, after a short bit I determined I wasn't interested and told her so. She came back up several times after that and each time, started with the French kissing. Each time, I said not interested. She started getting pissed, but really, she kept coming back and I kept saying not interested. Some girls are dumb, some think they're the hottest piece of ass in town and they'll make you take them upstairs.

With these types of girls, do all the grabbing you want. I believe SweetMesquite calls this "molesting", but I'm cool with it

Part of Sweets "termaguese".......Love it!

Hemp, Cato, I agree with you here.
The girls are friendly enough to connect with a fellow. I spend time with a garota for the interview to see if she would be fun to be with. If she seems fun, hot and full of sexual energy, I ALWAYS take her to a suite or a cabini. If a girl makes a move on me and we do not quite click, I put a stop to things promptly and move on. It is more effective for me to find a woman that I really want. It gives the girl the oportunity to find the kind of guy will appreciate her 'less-than-smoking" attitide.
It works for me. Hemp, you probably noticed me repeat with the same girl on the same visit to L'uomolast weekend She passed interview and delivered the goods in a very passionate and personal way. I opted for a back-to-back suite experience with her. She was definitely the most "giving" woman of the entire trip and perhaps in the top five livelong experiences. She will be at the top of my list when I return.

It was good to see you again Hemp, you are a gentleman and an inspiration to all of the members here who are true to the original philosophy the board.
Taked care buds, I will return to rio very soon.

Agree with what has been said here. One important thing to point out here is that Brazilian guys are well known for hitting the Termas and grabbing and making out with the girls and not ever taking the girl up to the Cabine.

This is not a wrap that I want. I do believe that if you treat the girls well, word spreads quickly and you will be rewarded. If you treat the girls like shit, you can still bang the girls, but they will not be as open, friendly and treat you as well as if you treat all the girls with respect.

Boy you guys are sure fucking opinionated! First of all fuck-off! You weren't there! You don't know that I bought all the girls drinks that I messed around with (imported drinks I might add) and when I say a played around with them, I danced with them and since they are very friendly they just did what came natural. Sandman never sessioned either I might add. And eventhough I didn't session I spent more money on booze than My Brother or my friend who where there with me and they spent 240 reais a piece. I don't think the establishment minded me dropping 350 reais on there doorstep. I never kissed any of the girls and when they indicated to me that maybe we Vamos! I told them "Eu não quero sexo esta noite"! yet they still wanted to dance and hang out with me cause I was buying them drinks and hell I don't know maybe they thought the next time I was there I would remember them. Unfortunately, I never made it back. How is buying them drinks, making conversation, practicing my Portuguese, making them laugh and having fun, how is that treating them like shit. Maybe you guys just walk into a terma and grab the first hottie that appeals to you and take her to a room to fuck, for me that's a little too anticeptic. Also, they had the option of not hanging around with me after I told them I didn't want sex, not to mention Sandman (who I was with and who has probably been to more termas than you ever will in your whole entire fucking lives) told the girls I didn't want sex this night. He (Sandman) didn't feel what I was doing was wrong or he would have expressed it. Not to mention he is a extremely experienced in terma etiquette. I do agree If someone was to do it all the time and never take a girl, it would be bad, but remember they have the option of walking away and getting another guy and as one of you fuckheads pointed out, if they didn't appreciate it, they wouldn't approach me the next time I went to that particular terma, my loss not theirs! I was simply trying to point out that termas are a great place and there is nothing wrong with hanging out at one for a couple of hours with the intention of taking a girl, but you don't see the right girl there for you. There are a lot of women at termas sometimes and I'm particular when it comes to attitude and appearance and when I was at 4 x 4, I was there a few hours drinking didn't see anything that I wanted so I decided to get drunk and have fun and buy the girls drinks. It sounds to me that your advice is: Go to a terma, don't mingle with any of the women, don't dance with them, don't buy them drinks, don't drink anything yourself just find a garota that fits your needs spend 15 mins talking and flirting with them and then off to the room to fuck! Oh, by the way, I got several cell phone numbers from some of the girls who wanted (for a fee of course) to hook up later off the job. I will apologize once for my lack of detail in my previous posting that led to such an onslaught by you assholes, but I stand fast in my statetment "FUCK OFF"!

Whackerdog - this "FUCKHEAD ASSHOLE" has only one comment regarding your post. "No Comment"

Whackerdog,

Maybe if you didn't say "while I was there I touched danced with and felt and played around with about 20 different fairly attractive women for the price of my drinks and the entrance fee" (OK, I added the making out part but that was just assumed)

Sure sounds like you were the FUCKHEAD. Now you come back with this story that you blew R$350 and bought all of them drinks which is a whole different story. Which is true? I don't know and don't care.

I was just commenting and giving some advice on your original statement.

You may not like it but others will learn a good lesson on what is acceptable in a Terma and Help. Regardless, if they think you have money and they think they can get some they will do and say anything.




(Message edited by abramom on April 20, 2005)

Exactly, we were commenting on Whackerdog's own words. I love when dipshit newbies who don't know jack shit about anything correct those of us who do. Let's see, between me, Hemp, Kenmore, Blissman and Snooky, how many terma runs do we have as a group? Anyone care to guess? 500 at least, probably a lot more?

In the future, write the complete fucking story, jackass. Personally, any guy who drops R$350 in a terma just on the bar tab and never sessions is a complete moron, but that's just my opinion. If you re-read what everyone has written, actually understand what we've all basically said, you may just pick up a valuable tip or two for future Brasil trips.

Again "Fuck Off". I maybe a newbie to Rio, but I'm not a newbie to mongering. Specifically to Catocony, dude just cause your broke and can't lay down 350 reais on booze (which comes to about 136.00 USD) don't take it out on me! I say, If you go to a terma and don't session (like Sandman did the first night I went) cause you don't see anything you like, your not a "Moron" your picky, have some kinda standard. Maybe you should tell Sandman he's a moron for not sessioning that night. Do you session everytime you go to a terma? Even if you don't like what you see? I've read about guys like that who can't say no to pussy. Whatever peals your banana buddy. In regards to try to teach you bunch of guys anything, who could! You know it all it seems and I couldn't possible have anything to say that would contribute to anyone mongering. I again apologize for the brevity of my previous post and the misconstrued manner it which it was taken. It was meant to praise the termas as a place to drink and possibly (if you see one you want) fuck a women. Why else would they serve alcohol in a bar like setting if not to drink? You people seem verged on the edge of your seat, waiting for someone who might make the slightest mistake so that you can pounce on them like vultures, I mean look at all the responses to Roblaws post. Only a few were meant to educate..the rest just critizised him for his comments, which by the way he's entitled to. I stated in my orignal post "rest assured this board will set you straight" to Roblaw and I meant that. My response post wasn't directed at every post that was made just the ones that didn't try to educate...the malicious ones! As far as taking advantage of the girls...get fucking real. Who the fuck are you bleeding hearted humanitarians who take advantage of these women that have to sell pussy in order to live and then tell me I'm taking advantage of them by making them "work harder" for my money! My fucking money, not yours! Again I say "Fuck off" to the assholes "you know who you are, or maybe you don't know who you are".

Whackerdog - It's not your message or opinion that bothers me because you are entitled to that. It is the way and tone that you deliver it. I can assure you I am a seasoned monger as a lot of the guys know but I try and always act in a courteous and professional way. Man you definitely need work in that area. - Hemp

Hemp, first of all my retort wasn't aimed at you or really any of the experienced mongers. I've read all your reports and you are defintely an experienced monger as well as Catocony. What I have issues with are the comments made by individuals who haven't even posted a trip report as I checked on all the posts in response to my post. I'm not saying that these individuals haven't been to Brazil as I wouldn't know since they haven't posted a report or any pictures for that matter (not that it is required I know). What I am saying is that it's difficult for me to take construtive criticism from someone who's never even posted a trip report. I again apologize for the third time now about the lack of detail in my posting that led to such negative responses but let's get real here. How is it possible to take advantage of a garota in a terma when you've already told them "NO"! How is it wasting their time when there are 30 or so girls and maybe ten guys and they're just standing around! So I tell them "NO" they still approach me I dance with them and yes "touch them", buy them drinks and try to make conversation with them. I could see if I was monopolizing their time and taking away from another possible prospect, but that night there wasn't any other prospects, not while I was there anyway and they looked bored, so we drank and danced and such and had a good time. What the fuck is wrong with that? As for 4x4, I hung out there and didn't see anything I really wanted. The place was packed and anyone one of the girls that I danced around with and played around with had the option of not dancing with me or playing around with me. I never commited to any of them and I moved around so that they wouldn't get the impression that I was commiting to them. I am experienced at mongering, although I haven't done it in years. I was in the Airforce for 8 years as a loadmaster on a C-141. I have been to Germany, Italy, Spain, Russia, Korea, Israel, France, England, Japan, Australia, Honduras, Greece, Turky, Mexico, Cuba, Portugal, China, Vietnam, Phillipines, and Amersterdam to name a few. This was in my youth however! All I was trying to say was that "TERMAS ARE NICE"! I didn't take advantage of anyone except myself. Sandman met me and I don't think he thought I was an asshole or bad guy or un-professional (what does that mean anyway, are you a professional monger?) Anyway, food for thought...why don't you and the other mongers who are clearly more experienced in terma etiquette than I, put together a Do's and Don'ts post so that us "newbies" can benefit from it or aside from that point me in the direction of a post that contains such information. I have read most of the Brazil reports and I can't recall anything written about "proper terma etiquette" Catocony expressed in his post that it's an unwritten rule of the terma to spend time with a garota and not session. Write it down so others don't commit a transgression.

Thanks Wackerdog - That delivery response was a TERRIFIC IMPROVEMENT. Since Sandman is a very good personal friend of mine also maybe I'll meet you in October for a beer. - Hemp

WhackerDog

I met Hemp 3 years ago at the Blue Marlin Bar in Costa Rica. My first impression of him was that he was a total fuckhead. And why not? He was sitting there, grinning from ear to ear, smiling as he tapped his cigarrette into the ashtray while saying "I'm not the brightest guy in the world, but somehow I've figured out how to come here a lot and I likes it".

Since then, that fuckhead has moved to Rio where he lives and works. And yes, he's still grinning from ear to ear every time I run into him. So yes, you're right. Hemp is a
fuckhead who deserves to be loathed.

Amazing insight on your part Whackerdog, to have reached that conclusion BEFORE meeting Hemp, and getting to know how much of a magnificent fuckhead bastard he really is.

Party on dudes
DG

Thanks for not degrading me Dongringo! I guess we are all fuckheads in that regard. Cudos to anyone who can figure out how to live in Rio full time and partake of it's pleasures. I don't think I could persuade my wife of 26 years to let me live there and as I do love her I wouldn't want to be without her anyway. As to Hemp, based on what I've read, I would say "he is a professional monger". Anyway, I'm going to be taking a quick one week trip to the PI in a few days. The wife leaves today on a business trip for two weeks and so I figured "what the fuck". I haven't been there in 20 years and I want something I can compare Rio to my next trip in Oct 2005. I would enjoy having a beer with you Hemp! I'll buy! I might not stop at just a beer though, being the Alkie that I am! I had planned on getting together with Sandman again and my friend Dangoobie will be there also.
I'm gonna be focusing on Regular Brasilian girls this time around which doesn't mean I won't be hitting a terma or two or Help for that matter. I missed out last time in that I didn't session and I would like to this time! Also, Hemp, Dongringo, if there is anything that you might need from the US (don't take advantage of me) I could possibly bring it. I'm taking very little with me this time around and I'll have room in my bag for some items...just let me know! As far as my previous posts, disregard them! I was hungover when I was reading them and felt like I was being attacked! I apologize for my vehement behavior and It will not be repeated. My humble apologies to anyone I might have offended. "Oh" and by the way "fuck off" just kidding, sheez!

Damn it, don't stop now Wackerdog. Just last Sunday, I had the misfortune of having spent the afternoon in a terma with both Hemp and DonGringo. I can't stand either one of those BASTARDS; but put them together and you might as well start pulling my teeth. To add insult to injury, I ended up with them at dinner; only because Sweet was going. Fortunately, I had been making out with a garota at the terma for about an hour before we left for dinner and I had promised I would return; so I was able to leave dinner early and go back and fulfill my obligation to bang the shit out of her. Buy one beer for Hemp and you will never get rid of him and if you ever meet DonGringo, it doesn't even take a beer for him to constantly pester you. Just keep telling them to "fuck off", I wish I had.
CG

(Message edited by cortogringo on April 21, 2005)

Wackerdog - Nao problema.

DonGringo - Voce muito safado.

CortoGringo - Eu odio voce.

Amor - Hemp

Hey guys, I was serious about the terma etiquette! Is there anywhere that one might go to find such unwritten rules. I looked up termaguese but didn't find anything there. I really do think it would be useful and possibly prevent someone (like myself who has limited terma experience) from commiting, unknowingly, a fopaux! I mean when I was TDY (that's Temporary Duty for you non-military guys) in Turkey, I found out the hard way about commiting social inpropriety. Had I know that pointing my heal at a person of advancing years was an insult...I probably wouldn't have done it. Turkey is weird that way. They have a lot of little insults and big ones that you can commit inadvertently and not even know it! If you don't want to post something like that can you send it to me via email! I know that some of them would be just common sense, but Hey you never know! I am a newbie to Rio after all. Also, what would be the best approach to obtaining lodging in other brazilian cities. What I mean is , when I come back in Oct, I'm considering purchasing a Brazilian Air Pass with three destinations. So my question is, If I'm going to stay in let's say Recife for two nights, then Natal for two nights and say Fortaleza, should I book a hotel in advance or fly by the seat of my pants? Since Oct is kind of "low season" what do you think the availability would be for lodging? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Sounds like there'll be a new guide to vote on come year end...

Also, y'all might consider adding some new terms to the CH dictionary while you're at it.

E

Whackerdog,

Since your initial reaction to our responses to the exact words that you yourself wrote and posted was to say "fuck off", how exactly would you like to receive information in the future? Guess what, that is the method of disseminating information. Someone makes a post, others reply positively or negatively, follow-on posts are made and that is called a discussion. The fact that your very first response was "fuck off, you weren't there" certainly doesn't entice me to help you out. Maybe some of the other guys will, but, once again, judging from your own words that you yourself wrote and posted, I wouldn't bother to waste my time.

Whack, you should have no problem flying by the seat of your pants, with regards to booking a hotel.

Upon arrival, there should be a little tourist office outside baggage claim. How well you communicate, is between you and the help?

hey u all,

I really cant decide on what I should think of the discussion above ... let me just say this.
I met Whackerdog in Rio in October 2004. He is a genuine nice bloke. He DOES treat the garotas with respect. He is NOT conceded and knows that they are in it for the business and we are in it for the pleasure. When that is said. I really do think that the garotas don't mind a bit of fun during business, a drink, fun, dance and guys who besides delivering the mighty dollar also can bring a smile on their faces. I think you all agree with me here.
The misfortune of reading trip reports of people you have not met, is that you can mistakenly "read too much" into a specific sentence. If You read the post, whackerdog describes in a long long post only one small sentence that can be misinterpreted as advocating for going to termas just for boose and groping girls - I KNOW this was not his intent when he went to Termas - but as it happended on that particular night - he just did not get the kick he needed in his shorts and just decided to have a good time and get pissed.
So let me state this - I will be hooking up with whackerdog in october and would NOT be doing this if he was the type of person that did not respect the girls.
See U in october Whack - and maybe others members of this great club hombre :-))))
DG

Thanks Dangoobia, appreciate it. I did apologize for my "fuck off" statement and after re-reading the responses to my post I did misconstrue their intent and believe me the next time I go to a terma, I will session. Again I apologize to all whom I might have offended with the "fuck Off" statement and also for the brevity of the post which having re-read several times does seem on the surface to advocate hanging out at a terma for the ambience of the place with no intention of sessioning. Enough said, I will write no more on this topic!

Wow! I go away for a few weeks, don't check the board, and look at all this drama--on a thread where someone else is apologizing for instigating a drama/flame thread, no less.

I think you've mostly gotten the point, this is just another take on what's been said.

You said "[I] meant to praise the termas as a place to drink and possibly (if you see one you want) fuck a women." The guys on this board (including me) see termas as places to definitely (not possibly) experience great sex from dedicated providers, not as a place to drink. We go there specifically for sex, and are not so picky that we can't find a gorota we want to have sex with most of the time, especially since these girls are mostly very skilled and eager to please, and most will give you a good-to-excellent experience. We're concerned about inexperienced people coming to Rio and changing/ruining the various experiences available to us by their behavior, it's happening. Garotas will not be so open and sexual with us if they're not going to get paid (drinks are not pay, and buying too many interferes with an undisciplined garota's ability to work). If they keep throwing themselves at you when you have said "no," they're expecting one of them will change your mind (guys DO get turned on and the little head takes over, they count on it). Garotas dislike Brazilian men for various reasons, one is the kind of attitude described above to grope the garotas and not session. Guys on the board want to be seen as different, as good customers, to encourage the behavior patterns we enjoy.

BTW, Sandman's behavior should not be your yardstick until you understand just how extensively he is involved with the scene there, and it is unlikely you will ever be so plugged in that you can do as he does in many cases. You just don't know the kinds of relationships he has.

Also BTW, my recommendation would be to book in advance using a travel agent like Don and Rhoda or Bobby who is familiar with the hotels/pousadas in the areas you're visiting. Fish is right about the tourist help, but they may not be on duty when you arrive (Brasilians don't work any more than necessary--you may not find anyone who speaks English), may have their own preferences, or just plain may not be really familiar with what's available in their book.

OK. Guess it's time for me to wade in here. Living here and visiting here are two very different dynamics. Even though my buddy Hemp frequents Termas regularly, I don't anymore. Probably like people in Orlando don't go to Disney World often (this may prove to be a good analogy)except when frinds are visiting and ask them to join them.

When I do go to a terma, it is usually with a new friend who wants a wingman. As I have said many times, I am not a guide. I leave that to the pros like Don. I don't recive commissions from the termas for taking people there. Also, when I do go with a new friend, I almost never session. (for that matter, neither does Don)As Hunterman pointed out, I have different opportunities here than most people on a 7-10 day visit.
As such, when I met Whack and his brother and buddy, I took an instant liking to them (maybe it was the half a glass of Johnny Walker Black he poured me...he he). When they said they wanted to go to Luomo I readily accepted joining them to show them the ropes. Brother and buddy were instantly in the arms and cabines with garotas. Several of the girls came up to me, gave me hugs and I introduced them around to the guys. Many of them are very good old friends but know I am not there to session. I am just with friends. We still sometimes dance together and I grab an ass or two myself but never with the intention of taking up their time and they know it.

As for Whack, he did conduct himself very well in Luomo. He was not making an ass out of himself and I can assure you, he was not groping as much as he was being groped by the girls. Many approached him; he bought them a drink and they moved on after he let them know he didn't plan to session.

Now, given his diabetes and the fact he was pretty buzzed, attempting to session would have probably been a total waste but I assure all of you he did not waste any girls time or give the impression he "might" take one. He made it very clear from the start that he was just there to party. (and for a guy his size, he moves pretty well on the dance floor.

Besides his bar tab, he was kind enough to pay my entrance fee and bought me several drinks to boot. I just helped a little with the language.

As he mentioned, his response to the outcry was uncalled for and he made his apology. Any of the guys that I know would like Whack.....and from the sounds of his report and the little altercation he had on the street, he would be a good guy to have at your side.

I'll hang with him when he returns cause he is a good guy. I'll down a brew or two with him and I hope some of you other guys get a chance to meet him. At least he doesn't have deep pockets and short arms. The guy is a player and has no problem paying his way.

Why don't we just bury this thread as a bad moment in time and get back to talking about the beautiful women of Brasil or start a new thread about the real dip shits that come here.......?

Sandman I totally agree with you my friend. I personally will look forward to meeting any Hombre friends while they are in Rio. As the old saying goes "last weeks newspaper is not interesting and no fun to read". Wackerdog and BG I look forward to meeting you also in October. - Hemp

not to get involved in all the drama on this thread, but i do want to post one comment wrt to the brazilian guys who are hanging out in the termas, especially 4x4. i used to see them as just guys who go in there to fuck around, feel the girls up, get a couple beers and go home. however, over my past two trips my opinion on this matter has been changed somewhat.

my current "girlfriend" works at centaurus and every night after her work we go out with the girls from there who she is friends with. In the past two months i have probably spent time outside of work with 20 girls from there and their boyfriends, most of them on several occassions (and many of them with several different boyfriends, lol). btw, i would say that based on my observations and what i have heard, just about all of the girls at centaurus have brazilian boyfriends outside of work, unless they are lesbian, which a lot are, a few of the girls are married also.

anyway, this is how i started to hang out with their boyfriends while the girls were working. almost every day i would go to a terma with at least one of them and shoot the shit with the other brazilians there (by the way, there was not another american who ever went out with us for some reason, it was always brazilians).

The men who are the boyfriends are divided into two groups, one, rich old men (not necessarily that old, but generally between 40-50 with children and most are married) and young men with wealthy families. There is an understanding between the men and their girlfriends where the termas and spending time with tourists is just "work" and it is rarely discussed during time outside of work. The guys don't get jealous of the work of the girls or the time spent with gringos but the girls are outrageously jealous and won't let the guys sleep with anyone else (even the girls with more than one boyfriend). The difference is, the girls see what they are doing as work and if me or the other guys go to a terma we are cheating on them because we are only doing it for pleasure (btw, the girls all say that they never ever have had an orgasm with a client, i doubt this is true but they are adamant about it). also, it might just be common sense, but when we would go somewhere you would never know the girls worked at centaurus, and they would get really pissed if you tried to grab a tit or something that is usually done in a terma or at help.

Ok, so back to the subject, these guys who i would go to the terma with are basically scouting for new girls to fuck or new girlfriends. the problem is, if they session with a girl at the terma, their girlfriend will find out and they are fucked (as by the way, most of their boyfriends do not give them money, about 50% do, but the rest only pay for meals, give emotional support, etc., for this reason the guys don't want to do anything to fuck up their free/discounted fucking arrangement). The girls they talk to in the termas have known the guys for years and over the years the guys have dated a number of the girls, but due to the fact that the average girl doesn't continue working that long, there is always a fresh crop. Therefore, the guys go there for a while, chat it up with the girls they like, and eventually will ask them out outside of work and start a relationship with them if they like. Most of the guys don't want to get married cause they are already married, have kids, are divorced, etc. and just want fun times with a hot girl.

The girls all know these guys, know what they are doing there, generally know their girlfriend at the time, and they don't talk to them unless they are up for this type of relationship with the guys. But the reality is that these girls are like every other girl in the world in that they want a guy for emotional support, to talk to, to go out dancing and to shows with, who is brazilian usually, and who they can introduce to their family. The guys who do this are accepting obviously of what they do and therefore fit the bill for a normal "boyfriend", which would be really hard to get with a normal brazilian guy due to their job. It is a good deal for the guys as they get a great looking girl to fuck every night and pay almost nothing. The girls they get out of this deal are way better looking in my opinion compared to what they could pull at a bar. If I was a guy in Rio, I would be doing the same thing, but because i don't live there i would always session whenever we went and the guys never told the girls about it, and i in turn never "ratted" on the guys on the occassions when they did session.

anyway, this definitely is not every brazilian guy who you see in a terma, and the majority of them are probably just there to feel the girls up, etc., a a lot of the rich brazilians just go to centaurus once a week to session or call an escort. but if you see a guy who is chatting it up with the girls a lot and knows most of them, it is likely because he is into this "system" and not cause he is there sessioning three times a week. anyway, don't feel sorry that the girls are spending time wasted with brazilian guys because they don't do this unless there is a purpose or unless they want to. if they want to make money, the will just be aggressive and straight fuck gringos for their 8 hours and not fuck around with the brazilians.

It was actually pretty funny about two weeks ago a group of 20 of us were eating at barra brasas in barra de tijuica, mothers cousins, etc. and about 5 programma girls and their boyfriends. The owner of 4x4 (the guy with white hair slicked back who is always sitting in the chair) was there, along with his brother (who has darker hair and is usually sitting right next to him) were there with who i think was their son (the younger guy named marcos or george or something that usually works downstairs at 4x4) and they came over to our table cause they knew all the guys, lol. the mothers and other family members had no idea who they were and the guys said they were also the owners of barra brasas (or at least a part of it). I actually started to get pissed cause my "girlfriend" knew them also although (apparently cause she worked there for one week 2 years ago, what bullshit). anyway, i just got a kick out of it.