The first time I went to Brazil about three years ago I didn’t even know what a garota de programma was or what a terma was for that matter. I met a girl and fell in love with her, gave her a lot of money, thought she was only with me, came back to America, continued sending her money, then I stopped and she got angry. I returned to Brazil a year later and the girl did not even recognize me when I saw her in help. At that time a guy (who is probably a member of this board) explained to me a little about the program and how it was not unusual etc. which was very helpful (and a wakeup call for me).

Since that time I have spent the last two years living in Brazil about half the time, going to the termas and help, learning Portuguese, and spending time with and sleeping with more, and basically having a great time.

One thing that was lacking for me was the point of view of other men who had been around the block here. I do not have friends who travel to Brazil for vacations and I didn’t really want to meet people who went there at that time. By reading this board for a few days, I learned more about the program, the girls, and Rio than I had by talking to girls for many months. I decided to share my experiences on here and what I knew about the girls to help other people not make the same mistakes that I did, and to provide information about the girls for people who would want to sleep with them or spend time with them. Many people have told me they were helped by information I posted about girls and Rio and I am glad to help. As all of you are aware, the girls share all information about us with one another constantly, and I felt it would be great if there was (and there is here) an equivalent forum.

Unfortunately this forum doesn’t quite work that well when people go and tell everything that is on here to the girls.

If all you had on this site was stuff that the girls want on here, you might as well go to a site that advertises for hookers and just see their marketing materials. Girls don’t want information on here about when they were a poor performer, or when they stole money, or when they fucked over some guy another way. Taxis don’t want the information on here about how they rip off tourists, the termas don’t want information on here about how people can get discounted cover, not have to pay up front, etc., and the hotels don’t want information on here about bad experiences people had, etc. either. However, information like this is why I am here, so I can educate myself as a consumer in advance (and see the pretty girls.

Three times this week I have been kicked in the ass by information I posted on here previously. The first two times were actually good for the guys as it saved them money by providing information that they otherwise would not have had, but the last time has pissed me off.

Evidently whoever is the “boyfriend” of Dayana from Centaurus took it upon himself to demonstrate this site to one of the girls from there I had spent a lot of time with, and show her the pictures of her on here, and what was written about her. Needless to say she was not pleased because not all the comments were positive (which is why I am not with her anymore in the first place). The girl is very pretty but a shitty fuck and lies constantly and I wrote that so guys would be warned before they go with her. No one wants to go to Brazil for a poor performer and if they do want to go with her more power to them.

Now this does not create a huge problem for me because I no longer wanted to be with the girl anyway, but it does make it harder for me to go with her friends as she will now tell all of her friends what a shitty guy I am, etc. and it will probably be more difficult for me to take photos of the girls from there in the future. She was jealous at the same time already because I had just gotten back from a week vacation in Europe with two girls who were her friends and she was not invited so needless to say she is not a happy camper.

The reason I am pissed is not that the girl is upset, but that a guy from here did that. I see this as somewhat of a “mens club” and this guy broke the circle of trust (to steal a line from deniro). I have no problem when a guy takes information from here and uses it for his advantage (i.e. someone posts that a girl is a bad lay and therefore he doesn’t sleep with her, or a guy finds out it is very difficult and expensive to get a girl to America, so he cuts out his plan) but it is another thing entirely to take the information and tell the girls about it just for the hell of it. If you are married to a girl and don’t want her picture on here, or if something is a lie or another egregious act is perpetrated in posting the information, it shouldn’t be here and I can understand you telling the girl, her husband, or whoever is involved. But just to demonstrate the site and information posted about a girl on here for the hell of it (especially when a girl can find out who posted it because they remember who took the pictures, or who a certain situation happened with) is a really shitty thing to do in my opinion because it hurts everyone who posts and the other consumers of the board as they might be less likely to get good information in the future (if the posters with good information stop posting).

Granted it is a risk every time someone posts information on here that the girl will find out by some loser like this sharing the information, but it really disrupts the board in my opinion because when things like this happen, it discourages people from posting further on the board. I get nothing out of posting information on this board, nothing, I am only doing it because I have benefited from the information on here, and I want to help others in the same way. If everyone acts like Dayana’s boyfriend, all we would be left with very little other than bwana dik’s guide (which is excellent by the way, I recommend it to everyone) and all other non-biased information. When guys do things like this it makes it especially difficult for the men on here who spend a lot of time with the girls and are in Brazil a lot because all the girls know them and they want to remain on good terms with them.

For example, if a guy on here lives in copa and goes to monte carlo twice a week and knows all the girls there, it is very helpful that he post information and photos on here about the girls, good and bad. However, if the girls who are bad performers find out that he posted that negative information on here, needless to say he most likely will not be very welcome in monte carlo much longer. The answer is to either not post any information about girls who are bad performers, or to write that she is good to retain good relations with her. I prefer the honest approach and that is why I come here, but if stuff like this happens to often, I won’t be on here posting honest information about girls much longer, and needless to say in the future I will think twice before posting negative information about the girls.

I really don’t know what I hope to get out of this posting other than I hope that for the sake of this board, guys will think twice before telling girls about information they see about them on here, because if I continue to get kicked in the ass trying to help others out with no benefit to myself, I won’t be doing it for much longer.

Gr8ter

As I learned, recently, there are shitty people EVERYWHERE and they fuck over people they don't even know just because they've been honest about fucking HIS whore or the whore's friends. There's enough morons out there in the world that think "I'll show this to the girl and she'll be THANKFUL and so I'll get something 'extra' outta this". What those morons don't seem to realize is there's quite a bit of "guilt by association". By default, these meatheads have associated themselves with us just by showing them this data. I guess the guys never think the girls are gonna put 2 and 2 together. If you're here reading this stuff you are, in effect, one of us. Very shortsighted.

I remember reading about the woes of folks down in SA back in 2003. My friends and I talked, at great length, how fucked up this was and how we're glad this phenomenon had not spread to Asia. Well, it turns out assholes have no geographic boundaries. The same breed of asshole has shown pics of mine to girls in the Philippines. Other assholes have shown pics taken by friends to girls in the PI and Indonesia. Not sure what they're thinking when showing their yaba/shabu/X/ice/crystal smoking/chugging whore pics of theirs on the internet but part just laughs that these are the same losers falling in love with these strung out junkies. I guess they deserve these women, eh?

Hope this doesn't keep you from posting. I think we all should have a good time in SPITE of turd burglars like this. I suppose the best revenge is to go back and keep fucking that guys girlfriends!!

Welcome to the internet. There aren't many shitheads, but they make up for it by being QUALITY ASSHOLES.

E

This is a problem for which there is no good solution, unfortunately. Perhaps posts such as Gr8ter's will deter those who spill the beans unthinkingly (i.e., those who don't have the intelligence to understand the implications of what they are doing) and therefore it is important that we maintain conversations about the issue. However, there are also three other categories of people who may persist nonetheless: (1) the pathetic loser who feels the only way to a hooker's heart is by sharing this sort of information, and (2) the sociopath mongerer who just doesn't give a shit, and (3) the pathetic sociopathic loser, a combination of the worst qualities of 1 and 2. While the vast majority of hombres fall into none of the above categories, it takes only one to create problems like the above.

It's fucking sad to think that there are guy's out there that don't think that their actions cause problems for others.

Both Epi and Laguy are right, what is sad, is that you are not the first by any long shot, and most likly not the last to have this happen to you.

I've been on other boards that this has happened and their solution was to block access to the site from those countries (Brazil, CR, Etc., IP ranges not authorized). Of course proven and reliable local residents like Hemp, BS, Sandman, et.al. would be able to gain access from Brazil by supplying the Admin with their home static IP addresses.

But.. this doesn't always work because low life whore luving slugs also have printers that they print off the report back home and bring with them to show the girls and give it to them to keep.

Gr8ter, I'd look close to home on this issue as how in the hell would anyone know who Gr8ter is unless they knew you personally to explain who Gr8ter was. Especially as 95% of these garotas don't speak english and if they did what percent of the 5% actually can comprehend reading english enough to put 2+2 together.

Snooky, it is not that difficult to, as you said, put 2+2 together. All the girl need to do is look at the pics and she will probably remember who took them. And if that moron told the girls that the english mumble jumble was a bad review, she probably imagine the worst since she doesn't understand english.

This really really sucks, Gr8ter. I totally agree that this is not cool. It should be commonse sense to to disclose to the garolta about this site.

The girls in Rio are still pretty cool about letting us take pictures freely. But that might change quickly if words get around about this or similar site.

This is what she wrote and then she called, but remember that she is also upset about other things (i.e. I don't spend any time with her anymore and go with her friends).

She wrote:

Eu sei que você colocou minhas fotos e escrever mal na internet em algum site americano que o namorado da minha amiga Dayana viu e me mostrou, porque você fez isso? Eu espero que você tenha um minimo de carater se isso for possível e não fale mais comigo quando estiver na centauros e para sua infelicidade eu ja voltei ao trabalho.

Anyway, sex junkie is right. It is one thing if you go to brazil for one week once a year and make one visit or so to each terma. In this case, if you take pictures of one girl in a room of a terma or in you apartment she probably won't remember who you are. However, I, and probably a lot of other guys on here, spend a lot of time in Rio, have the same apartments, and I vacationed with some of the girls. As a result I know a lot of the girls at the main termas very well and they will for the most part remember the time and place where the photos were taken. For this girl in particular she has copies of the photos that she asked me to send, and she told me that she doesn't let people take photos or whatever (and I haven't seen any other photos of her on this site).

Anyway, as I said, girls in brazil getting mad at you when you stop going with them is nothing new, and this is the main reason she is upset. However, the point is that if this starts to happen a lot the girls will be less likely to pose (especially the good looking ones who think they might be real models or have a career some day) and guys like me will be less likely to post negative reviews (or even positive ones as it might be better to just shut up in order to keep positive relations).

WRT the comment about blocking out access to other countries, when I was in brazil last I was in an internet cafe and tried to access a few of the photos on here and they were blocked. I don't know if this was done by the admin, etc. to help with issues such as this, but if so it is a good idea. I was also in europe last week and had no problem accessing pictures.

FYI regarding photos......CH has the photos blocked from the countries that they are taken from. If you post a photo from Brazil, it can not be viewed from a computer with an Brazilian IP address. It can be viewed from another country though.

How about some of you in Rio watch the girls at the internet cafes, and pretend to be interested if they bring up CH. Find out who's handle they are logging in with, and then Hombre can kick him off. Just a thought.......

Moondog

This is a perennial problem. It's really too bad we can't find out who these losers are and out them in their own backyard.

This issue seems to come up every few months. One would think by now, that even new members have read about previous problems with showing girls photos or written posts about them.

Comeon guys, showing these girls posts on CH or any other mens travel site ain't going to win you any more points. Give em a few extra dollars instead and you will be well rewarded.

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(Message edited by gr8ter on June 22, 2005)